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01 Apr 09 - 12:22 PM (#2602320) Subject: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger The Feds are in the pursuit of a course to drop the charges against Ted Stevens. It looks like the whole thing was politically motivated, just like Stevens said it was. The prosecustion withheld evidence. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090401/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/stevens_justice_14 What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon in the Senate? |
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01 Apr 09 - 12:52 PM (#2602347) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: CarolC It should be pointed out that it was the Bush Justice Department that prosecuted the case, and the Obama Justice Department that dropped it. |
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01 Apr 09 - 12:56 PM (#2602353) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Rapparee How would they be different from the rest of us? |
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01 Apr 09 - 12:56 PM (#2602354) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: JohnInKansas Link John |
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01 Apr 09 - 01:13 PM (#2602371) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Big Mick Two important distinctions. The Dem's used the jury's verdict because they thought it legit. As Carol pointed out, it was Obama's AG that was called a "pillar of integrity" in this, and correcting the situation. |
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01 Apr 09 - 01:19 PM (#2602377) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie Rig, Mark Begich is no buffoon. He is a well-known, well-vetted politician. His history is open, and goes way back; his father was Congressman Nick Begich whose plane, along with Hale Boggs, was lost in the Alaska wilderness and has never been found. (Besides, his brother Tom is a folk singer.) |
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01 Apr 09 - 01:26 PM (#2602386) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: DougR Ted Stevens is a Republican. Based on evidence presented at the time, the Bush justice department would have been crucified if they HAD NOT prosecuted Stevens. This current situation is not a question of guilt. It's a question about why the prosecution withheld information from the defense attorneys. DougR |
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01 Apr 09 - 01:29 PM (#2602389) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: CarolC Why the Bush Justice Department prosecution withheld information from the defense attorneys. |
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01 Apr 09 - 01:37 PM (#2602398) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger And why would they? And should they be prosecuted? "(Besides, his brother Tom is a folk singer.)" Well, I guess it's all right then! |
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01 Apr 09 - 04:15 PM (#2602519) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: robomatic I remember one juror's post verdict comment that Ted testifying for himself was the most damning witness presented. |
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01 Apr 09 - 05:02 PM (#2602566) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger Probably why he wanted the jury to come from Alaska and not DC. |
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01 Apr 09 - 05:46 PM (#2602593) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Uncle_DaveO Ted Stevens is a Republican. Based on evidence presented at the time, the Bush justice department would have been crucified if they HAD NOT prosecuted Stevens. Being an occasional conspiracy-suspector (especially in regard to the Bush administration), I tend to think that they had to prosecute him, as you say, but then they fouled the process up on purpose, so that eventually he'd have to be let off. Dave Oesterreich |
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01 Apr 09 - 06:08 PM (#2602607) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger Hmmmmmmmmmmmm? |
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01 Apr 09 - 06:22 PM (#2602622) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Genie Didn't Mark Begich lose the Alaska Governor's race to Sarah Palin by only a very small margin, too? He might possibly have defeated Stevens even without 'toilet gate.' Still, I thought all along that he should not have been prosecuted for trying to proposition another adult (for consensual, non-commercial sex), even if was clear that that was what he was trying to do. It was great fodder for the comics, and it kind of did make him look like a bit of a hypocrite, but as far as I know, that's not against the law. Glad Holder is trying to undo the injustice as much as is possible. Too bad he can't similarly remediate the miscarriage of justice in the case of Don Sigelman in Alabama. |
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01 Apr 09 - 11:06 PM (#2602762) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie Genie, to the best of my recollection, Mark Begich has never run for Governor. "Still, I thought all along that he should not have been prosecuted for trying to proposition another adult (for consensual, non-commercial sex), even if was clear that that was what he was trying to do. It was great fodder for the comics, and it kind of did make him look like a bit of a hypocrite, but as far as I know, that's not against the law." Genie, who are you talking about? Not Mark Begich, surely. |
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02 Apr 09 - 12:28 AM (#2602792) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Genie I thought he had, Ebbie. Run for governor, that is. I coulda sworn during the 2008 election campaigns, when Begich was running for Senator, that the news reported that he had come close to beating Palin for Governor. Do I have him mixed up with another Alaska Democrat? But the people I really was mixing up were Ted Stevens and Larry Craig. Now I can't remember what it was that Stevens was convicted of. I still wish the current Justice Dept. could undo the horrible wrongs that were done to Don Sigelman - but that was a state prosecution, so I'm not sure they can do much. |
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02 Apr 09 - 01:18 AM (#2602800) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie Palin defeated Republicans Fairbanks businessman John Binkley and Gov. Frank Murkowski to become the Republican nominee. Neither of them has been involved in a scandal, as such. Murkowski, however, had a 19% approval rating. We didn't like the man. Binkley had run for governor before and never drummed up much interest. Democrats former Alaska governor Tony Knowles and Congressman Eric Croft ran against Palin in the gubernatorial race in 2006. Neither of them has ever been involved in a scandal. This year Eric Croft is running for Anchorage mayor, the seat that Mark Begich vacated when he replaced Ted Stevens and which is being held by an Acting Mayor. I suspect that he will win it; Croft has made a pretty good name for himself. Ted Stevens would be hard to mistake for Idaho governor Larry Craig; Stevens is 84 years old, for one thing. lol |
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02 Apr 09 - 01:19 AM (#2602801) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie By the way, Riginslinger, I'd be interested in why you thought of 'buffoon' in this connection? |
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02 Apr 09 - 08:02 AM (#2602976) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Greg F. the Bush justice department would have been crucified if they HAD NOT prosecuted Stevens. Now, there you go again, Douggie - trying to make chicken soup out of chicken shit. |
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02 Apr 09 - 08:09 AM (#2602982) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger "By the way, Riginslinger, I'd be interested in why you thought of 'buffoon' in this connection?" Well, I knew he was a Democrat, and I've seen what the Dems have been doing at the national level since the election, so I just thought, you know... |
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02 Apr 09 - 10:14 AM (#2603094) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie Frankly, my dear, you didn't think. :) |
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02 Apr 09 - 10:18 AM (#2603096) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger Well, at least I didn't announce that Alasks "did" end up with a buffoon... |
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02 Apr 09 - 10:43 AM (#2603123) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie Hmmmmm. That's an improvement. |
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02 Apr 09 - 10:55 AM (#2603134) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: robomatic I think if one examines our Governor in light of her candidacy for Rep Veep and her current eye on future national participation in politics, the thread title is almost appropriate, even if Rig done up with it. |
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02 Apr 09 - 12:39 PM (#2603199) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: kendall Washington DC where the only industry is destroying others. |
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02 Apr 09 - 12:50 PM (#2603208) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger Maybe not the only industry. I think some of them folks is perfectly capable of destroying themselves too. Foot in Mouth is pretty common back there. |
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02 Apr 09 - 01:15 PM (#2603230) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie Not you and me, of course. |
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02 Apr 09 - 02:29 PM (#2603309) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger Of course! |
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03 Apr 09 - 02:04 AM (#2603700) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Genie Ebbie, Tony Knowles is the one I was thinking of that I got confused with Mark Begich. Thanks for clearing that up. Genie |
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03 Apr 09 - 10:31 AM (#2603915) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger It looks like the Republicans are asking Begich to resign, what the seem to determine is his illgotten seat. http://aprn.org/2009/04/02/republicans-call-for-begich-to-resign/ |
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03 Apr 09 - 11:08 AM (#2603944) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie Which is ridiculous. Begich was campaigning for the Senate seat before Stevens got in trouble. What they - and others - seem to forget is that Stevens has not been adjudged innocent of the various charges; it is only established that the prosecution was flawed. Which is deplorable. There are lots of stories about Ted Stevens. |
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03 Apr 09 - 11:33 AM (#2603956) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie I like this straight forward response to Governor Palin's suggestion : Democratic Party Chairwoman Patti Higgins said a special election was unwarranted. "Ted Stevens was convicted on seven felony charges of accepting gifts that he then never reported, as required by law. The fact that the Obama administration has decided to not pursue a case that the Bush administration lawyers handled in a faulty manner does not take away the fact that Ted Stevens broke laws," she said. Governor calls for Begich Resignation |
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03 Apr 09 - 12:07 PM (#2603971) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger Does that mean if Begich resigns, Alaska will end up without a buffoon? |
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03 Apr 09 - 12:57 PM (#2604001) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie Are you thinking of a bassoon, Rig? |
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03 Apr 09 - 02:47 PM (#2604062) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger If Alaska ended up with a bassoon, how would that solve the problem? |
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03 Apr 09 - 04:03 PM (#2604107) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie It's more tuneful. |
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03 Apr 09 - 04:13 PM (#2604118) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger I see! |
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03 Apr 09 - 05:02 PM (#2604153) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Genie Or maybe they'll just end up with a baboon? Playing the bassoon? Ebbie's right. The fact that someone gets off because of prosecutorial misconduct does not mean the person was innocent, just that due process was not afforded him or her. Sad to say, there are many cases of people getting away with serious violations of both law and ethics simply because an attorney or the police or a judge also broke the law with regard to their case. Heck, we well may have some real terrorists set loose because the Bush Justice Department obtained evidence via illegal (not to mention unethical) means. Anyway, Alaska already has a buffoon. She thinks the fact that parts of Siberia are close to parts of Alaska makes her status as Alaska's governor count as substantial foreign policy experience -- because when Vladimir Putin "rears his head and enters American air space" it will have to be Alaskan air space. Like he would never dream of flying from Moscow to Washington DC or Miama over Europe and the Atlantic Ocean. |
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03 Apr 09 - 05:36 PM (#2604165) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie To my mind, a female buffoon is even worse than a male one. Perhaps I expect better of women. :) |
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03 Apr 09 - 06:40 PM (#2604201) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: artbrooks Do female buffoons also have bright red private parts? Or is that baboons? Or bassoons? |
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03 Apr 09 - 07:10 PM (#2604217) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Stilly River Sage Ted Stevens would be hard to mistake for Idaho governor Larry Craig; Stevens is 84 years old, for one thing. lol Some of you need to Google these folks before you post. First you had Craig mixed with Begich and/or Stevens, and now you have him mixed up with C.L. "Butch" Otter. Governor of Idaho. I didn't know who was governor, but I knew it wasn't Craig. Larry Craig was a Republican U.S. Senator from Idaho. He resigned his seat, then he un-resigned and finished his term, after the scandal in Minnesota. He didn't run for re-election last year. They commented, with a chuckle, on the NPR Diane Rehm Show this morning that Sarah Palin had asked Begich to step down, citing the loss of Stevens' seat due to bad publicity of the trial. Rehm asked her weekly news roundup guests what they thought of those chances. The answer, with a guffaw, was "If you're asking what's the percent chance, 1 to 100, that he'll step down, I'd say it is a minus 50." SRS |
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03 Apr 09 - 09:06 PM (#2604281) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Genie Art, that would be MANdrills you're thinking of. (Not to be confused with WOMANdrills?) ; D Stilly, methinks you've similarly gotten some Mudcatters mixed up with each other. I mixed up Stevens with Craig (not because I didn't know the difference but because I wasn't paying that much attention to the news story). I know very well which one is which. I also mixed up Begich with Knowles, because I actually had, in my memory, conflated two different Alaska stories (but I recognized Knowles's name and identity when Ebbie mentioned it). Someone else mixed up one of those guys with Butch Otter. Sometimes some of us do make mistakes, but someone's always quick to point out the error here at Mudcat. As for googling everything before you post, heck, this is just a BS thread on a message board, not a newsroom or a textbook. :x Genie |
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03 Apr 09 - 09:23 PM (#2604289) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,heric So Begich was never in the bathroom with Otter? |
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03 Apr 09 - 09:34 PM (#2604293) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie lol So many choices. |
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03 Apr 09 - 09:36 PM (#2604294) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Well, if Stevens is a complete buffoon, I'm sure he'll be in line for an Obama appointment to a cabinet position. Maybe he's being groomed! |
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03 Apr 09 - 09:44 PM (#2604301) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie As is quite common, I've noticed, you haven't understood the discussion. No one has called Ted Stevens a buffoon. Except you, even though you may never have heard of the man before. Nice going. |
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03 Apr 09 - 10:49 PM (#2604319) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity "The Feds are in the pursuit of a course to drop the charges against Ted Stevens. It looks like the whole thing was politically motivated, just like Stevens said it was. The prosecustion withheld evidence. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090401/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/stevens_justice_14 What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon in the Senate? " Huh? |
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03 Apr 09 - 11:38 PM (#2604338) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Stilly River Sage That was a collective "you," as in "you all," or the Texan "Y'all," but if the shoe fits. I detected both errors in your posts. I didn't ask what you'd been smoking, and I removed the name and substituted the general "you" to remove what might be perceived as an accusatory tone. Seems it hit a mark anyway. Oh, well. ;-D |
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04 Apr 09 - 08:20 AM (#2604454) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Jeez! I needed a proof reader when I was writing the script...but not a nit picker. |
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04 Apr 09 - 11:27 AM (#2604529) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Greg F. ENDS UP with a buffoon? They'ge got Palin. Or, did you mean ANOTHER buffoon? |
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04 Apr 09 - 11:29 AM (#2604531) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Greg, Besides Palin, they've got Ebbie living up there, too! |
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04 Apr 09 - 11:32 AM (#2604535) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie Ah ha! Takes one to know one! |
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04 Apr 09 - 12:51 PM (#2604576) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity I actually don't know one. I've just read! |
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04 Apr 09 - 12:54 PM (#2604577) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: dick greenhaus Just noted that Gov. Palin's sister-in-law was arrested for burglary. Damn. I just love family values. |
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04 Apr 09 - 01:07 PM (#2604588) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger Yeah, it seems like the further you get from the church, the more pure the values. |
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04 Apr 09 - 02:04 PM (#2604640) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity From: Riginslinger Date: 04 Apr 09 - 01:07 PM Yeah, it seems like the further you get from the church, the more pure the values. That being said, and in the same vein, The further you get from government programs, the more freedom you have, as well! GfS |
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04 Apr 09 - 06:55 PM (#2604770) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Jeez..(Several hours later)..I just re-read my last post...and how true that is! |
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04 Apr 09 - 09:01 PM (#2604805) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger Yes, you might not survive, but you certainly have freedom. |
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04 Apr 09 - 11:59 PM (#2604870) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity UMMMM.....what was it, one of our founding fathers said....Gee, I think it was Patrick Henry......... |
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05 Apr 09 - 01:19 AM (#2604896) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie "I actually don't know one. I've just read!" GtS That was funny. :) |
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05 Apr 09 - 02:36 AM (#2604912) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Winks back |
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05 Apr 09 - 09:41 AM (#2605023) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger "UMMMM.....what was it, one of our founding fathers said....Gee, I think it was Patrick Henry........." Patrick Henry said, "If you don't have national health care, you might end up dying from an infected mosquito bite." |
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05 Apr 09 - 10:01 AM (#2605028) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Stilly River Sage I skimmed an article about the governor's sister-in-law. Seems she had been to that house a couple of times before, as had her four-year-old daughter. Seriously. She burglarized a house and took her daughter in with her at least one of those times. This time the owner caught her in the act and while they were waiting the child got out of the car and wandered into the house. Police said the child indicated she had been in the house before. A free-range family like this on the loose probably explains why the long-running soap opera Guiding Light was cancelled by CBS. Too much competition and the Palins don't require the selling of commercial space to keep their goofy story going. SRS |
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05 Apr 09 - 01:08 PM (#2605101) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger Begich better hurry home from Washington. His house might be next! |
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05 Apr 09 - 02:17 PM (#2605128) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie ? |
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05 Apr 09 - 03:11 PM (#2605142) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity From: Riginslinger Date: 05 Apr 09 - 09:41 AM "UMMMM.....what was it, one of our founding fathers said....Gee, I think it was Patrick Henry........." Patrick Henry said, "If you don't have national health care, you might end up dying from an infected mosquito bite." He Also said, "Pay for my transgender operation, or give me an abortion!" or..something like that! |
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05 Apr 09 - 03:46 PM (#2605166) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger Yes, but he wasn't in his right mind when he said that. "Begich better hurry home from Washington. His house might be next!" Responding to SRS: "Just noted that Gov. Palin's sister-in-law was arrested for burglary. Damn. I just love family values... I skimmed an article about the governor's sister-in-law. Seems she had been to that house a couple of times before," |
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05 Apr 09 - 03:56 PM (#2605171) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity If we want to poke sticks at all the politician's families..(which is not only stupid, it's indicative of a cruel person who ran out of reality)..let's not forget Billy Clinton's brother...and his drug dealing!!..Oh, I forgot, He must be a hero, to all those on here, who like that particular drug! |
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05 Apr 09 - 04:20 PM (#2605186) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie "If we want to poke sticks at all the politician's families..(which is not only stupid, it's indicative of a cruel person who ran out of reality)." GfH Ye gods. Whence all the sudden virtue? *******************8 Speaking of Sarah Palin, a politician, and her family, the estimable Levi Johnston will be on record when the interview with Tyra Banks airs later this month as saying that Palin allowed him and her 16 year old daughter to share a bed. Oh, am I cruel? |
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05 Apr 09 - 05:18 PM (#2605212) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: EBarnacle As Chico Marx said, "Everyone knows there is no sanity claus." |
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05 Apr 09 - 06:56 PM (#2605273) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie "If we want to poke sticks at all the politician's families..(which is not only stupid, it's indicative of a cruel person who ran out of reality)..let's not forget Billy Clinton's brother...and his drug dealing!!..Oh, I forgot, He must be a hero, to all those on here, who like that particular drug!: GfH As I recall, Roger Clinton is Bill Clinton's half brother. Just as Diana Palin is Todd Palin's half sister. She is charged with dealing Oxycontin. Roger Clinton pleaded guilty to 'distributing' cocaine. The way I see it, when a politician's family member is a screwup she or he is a valid target - IF the politician has made a big deal of his or her integrity and "family values". And even then, we haven't made public some of the things that are KNOWN about certain Palin family mambers. Wanna hear some gossip? I'm not going to give it UNLESS they/he/she get in further trouble. |
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05 Apr 09 - 10:14 PM (#2605373) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Great Ebbie, I've always been curious about those things, too!! While you're at it, find something on Vince Foster, too...Maybe even three kids killed in Mena, Arkansas, during the mid Eighties, on the train tracks. Don't forget to get the ENTIRE, both side's stories on both!! |
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05 Apr 09 - 10:14 PM (#2605374) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Barry Finn Ebbie, please, by all means proceed. Politicians are fair game once they've crossed the hypocrisy line. Usually spoutting off about family values when there's not a value in site not worth selling. I don't remember Bill C claiming he was a man of values or principles (did he say he was a chuch going man) but that didn't stop those of lesser values from jumping on his behind spoutting about purity. Keep the dirt liquid. Barry |
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05 Apr 09 - 10:18 PM (#2605376) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Barry Finn The rare Alaskan Buffoon now has spoken that she's an eye on the oval office. It's no wonder she's rare, when ever she's seen it's a big joke. Reminds me of Quail & that other idiot that just left office, what's his name? Barry |
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06 Apr 09 - 02:10 AM (#2605437) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity So, there you have it, Boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen! Barry is correcto mundo!! It is NOT just in one party!!..Besides, corruption is the only thing going on in Washington, that IS Bi-partisan!! They buy out, and make 'contributions(read:bribes) to both sides....at the same time!!..You all know that!!!don't you??...I'm sure you do!...So, what agenda do they have going, that has been furthered, no matter who 'wins'????...Be interesting to see who figures it out. I thought it would be Little Hawk, a while ago...but he hasn't been on much, in these posts, lately.....come on 'catters, Let's get to the bottom of this....without bi-partisan bickering!!!! |
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06 Apr 09 - 02:37 PM (#2605797) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger Both of these sides are bad news. It's time for a third party. |
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06 Apr 09 - 03:09 PM (#2605835) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Time to throw some of their fucking asses in jail, impeach some, and try them for treason, and corruption charges!!! ...and perjury!....taking an oath, that they had absolutely NO INTENTION of keeping! |
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06 Apr 09 - 03:32 PM (#2605869) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: SINSULL Gosh - I would hate to be judged by the actions of my sisters-in-law. I have some loonies who married into the family. Palin has her own problems. She is hardly responsible for her sister-in-law's crimes. |
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06 Apr 09 - 07:14 PM (#2606044) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Barry Finn MBut Mary, she is resposible for herself & her family's action, including her husband & children. She married one & spawned the others Barry |
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06 Apr 09 - 07:21 PM (#2606051) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger Yeah, but she didn't marry he husband's half sister. |
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06 Apr 09 - 07:38 PM (#2606070) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: heric Actually I read in the supermarket that she did. |
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06 Apr 09 - 07:52 PM (#2606085) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie lol, heric. Buddy Tabor, a Juneau singer/songwriter, wrote a hilarious story about having his wife run off and then seeing her picture on the cover of Weekly World News (or something like that), standing beside her Bigfoot lover; how embarrassed he was to show his face at the checkout counter. |
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06 Apr 09 - 07:53 PM (#2606086) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger But which half? |
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06 Apr 09 - 08:06 PM (#2606096) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: pdq The lower half. |
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06 Apr 09 - 08:09 PM (#2606101) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity PDQ, It has been said that why do women have the 'lower half' as you suggested?...answer: So men will talk to them! Just a joke!!..Take it easy!!! Its on me too! |
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07 Apr 09 - 09:49 AM (#2606465) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Donuel The current AG did not ask for the case to be dismissed because Ted was innocent of charges. He did it because the prosecution did not give evidence to the defense as required for any criminal case. |
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07 Apr 09 - 01:59 PM (#2606670) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger And if they'd turned over the evidence to the defense, there's not much chance he ever would have been convicted in the first place. All they managed to do was to get Begich elected to the Senate. It's now time to investigate who was behind getting Begich elected, and how much they had to pay the prosection. |
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07 Apr 09 - 06:34 PM (#2606896) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie "And if they'd turned over the evidence to the defense, there's not much chance he ever would have been convicted in the first place. All they managed to do was to get Begich elected to the Senate." Whoa, Nelly! Not so fast, Rig. That statement is not even close to being true. Snippets, from HERE: "But the dismissal will not declare Stevens innocent. Nor will it rewrite the facts of a case in which Stevens took thousands of dollars in favors and freebies from wealthy friends." "Michael Sklaire, a former corruption prosecutor, said the decision to dismiss the case was more about punishing the prosecutors for withholding evidence than about exonerating Stevens. When the case against a drug dealer falls apart, Sklaire said, the charges disappear but the defendant can't really say he's innocent because he still got arrested with drugs." "Those that came to mind, she (juror) said, were the $2,700 massage chair, a custom stained-glass window worth $3,200, and a $29,000 fish sculpture. None of those had anything to do with the home renovations or the disputed testimony." "At trial, he (Stevens) said he didn't disclose the items he received because they were not gifts. The massage chair, for instance, remained in his house for seven years but Stevens said it was a loan. He said he assumed the stained-glass window was paid for, since his wife takes care of such things. The fish statue was a donation to his foundation, he said, and only remained on his front porch because that's where the donors shipped it." One of the most disturbing, if not damning, facets to this case is the question: What was a Senator doing in bed with a bigtime oil man/lobbyist in the first place? |
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07 Apr 09 - 07:11 PM (#2606923) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Alice Speaking of mistakes and buffoons.... today Palin referred to Alaska as a sovereign state. what the heck? The states in the United States are not sovereign states. ooops |
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07 Apr 09 - 07:46 PM (#2606948) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger "What was a Senator doing in bed with a bigtime oil man/lobbyist in the first place?" Maybe he sold petroleum jelly! |
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08 Apr 09 - 01:04 AM (#2607086) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Actually, according to 'states rights' each state is(was) a sovereign state. Originally, (check your history, circa. the time of the founding fathers, Bill of Rights, and the Constitution), we are(were) supposed to be united sovereign, states, with a central (federal government) with both limitations, as to its powers, and duties to perform, such as protecting the borders, tariffs, etc etc. If you want to look it up, its there, and the reason a lot of people are up tight, at the federal government getting too big, and invasive, of the states rights. (This is why certain laws, vary from state to state...in case you weren't sure of that. Just, as of recent, 23 states, re-declared it..( I think as a reminder to the federal government, that they in fact are not in favor of some of the feds policies, regarding this issue!) |
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08 Apr 09 - 08:52 AM (#2607261) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Greg F. ...according to 'states rights' each state is a sovereign state. According to John C. Calhoun, perhaps, but this business was settled by the Civil War. Of course, modern "Lost Cause" proponents continue to refuse to acknoledge the fact. |
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08 Apr 09 - 05:25 PM (#2607603) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Barry Finn All & all, it appears Alaska will not soon lose it's buffoon or whatever you might want to call her Barry |
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08 Apr 09 - 05:28 PM (#2607608) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: artbrooks Would that be the bouffant buffoon? |
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08 Apr 09 - 07:01 PM (#2607686) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger If Alaska lost all of its buffoons, who would serve in the Senate? |
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08 Apr 09 - 07:57 PM (#2607703) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Alice definition of sovereign state Sovereign state, a state which administers its own government, and is not dependent upon, or subject to, another power. Our states are all united under a federal government, so even though each state has a government, they are not technically sovereign governments. |
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08 Apr 09 - 08:02 PM (#2607706) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie Not only that - a sovereign state most commonly is a nation. |
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08 Apr 09 - 08:19 PM (#2607717) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Not only that,..Ebbie you are right!..(Takes an Alaskan, they have a little better insight into that). She'll still argue with me though... |
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08 Apr 09 - 10:04 PM (#2607762) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie Good gracious, why not! (If you more frequently made sense I imagine I would do less of it.) |
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08 Apr 09 - 10:08 PM (#2607766) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity 100....want to argue now?? |
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09 Apr 09 - 01:21 AM (#2607813) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie Nope. 101 |
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09 Apr 09 - 10:26 AM (#2608019) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity 102 Good!..You must have had an epiphany! |
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10 Apr 09 - 10:42 AM (#2608661) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger It looks like Palin is reving up to help Lisa Merkowski(sp?), so the will put the Republican women against the male Democrat in the Senate. |
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10 Apr 09 - 10:54 AM (#2608669) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Ebbie I don't understand, Rig. In what way is Palin "helping" Murkowski? At this point, Palin is in such deep doo doo in her own state she is in no shape to help anyone else. And the male Republican representative in the House has come out to help the "male Democrat in the Senate". |
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10 Apr 09 - 01:26 PM (#2608760) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger There was a headline on Yahoo yesterday that Palin was preparing to raise money for Murkowski, so it looks like the battle of the sexes--or genders if you'd rather. Traditional party lines have been blured. |
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11 Apr 09 - 11:16 AM (#2609205) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,Eb They are both Republicans, of course; evidently Palin wants to reassure Murkowski that she's not going to go after Murkowski's Senate seat. (Not that that would worry Murkowski much.) |
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11 Apr 09 - 03:00 PM (#2609315) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger Yes, but Ebbie seemed to indicate that the Republican Congressman was supporting the Democratic Senator. I think that was the issue. |
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11 Apr 09 - 10:37 PM (#2609497) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST That Guest was me. My cookie crumbled. Don Young, the Republican Representative, supports the Democratic view that Senator Mark Begich should not resign his new seat because of 'Uncle Ted's' misfortune. I don't know how Young feels about Begich further than that. |
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11 Apr 09 - 11:06 PM (#2609504) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,heric This is an uncharacteristically difficult thread to follow. |
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11 Apr 09 - 11:27 PM (#2609509) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST, Ebbie That may be my fault, heric. I tend to veer and lurch in conversation. Although it's not my doing that 'buffoon' was used in connection with Alaska politics. (I do like 'bouffant buffoon' though!) Buffoon has a connotation to me that is applicable only in fairly specific cases and I don't think that it qualifies in Alaska. |
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12 Apr 09 - 07:27 AM (#2609600) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger I suppose the point is, the word "buffoon" relates well to the concept of the modern day American politician. Following that rationale, of course, if Alaska ended up without any buffoons at all, there wouldn't be anyone out there--or up there--to run for public office. |
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13 Apr 09 - 02:20 AM (#2609996) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Rig, I tend to agree with you, that politicians are pretty much all buffoons! I think the better attempt to hide that fact, while running, the more 'electable' they are....oh, with one exception...Nancy Pelosi...she's an out front, flaming buffoon, and the morons up near San Francisco, keep electing her...It defies gravity! |
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13 Apr 09 - 05:37 PM (#2610457) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Art Thieme If you got a Bagich, scratch it! Art |
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13 Apr 09 - 09:44 PM (#2610630) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger Good description of the senator - Bag Itch, I like it! |
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14 Apr 09 - 10:27 AM (#2610954) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST, Ebbie Rig, I will never understand you. Why are you slinging mud at Senator Begich? You know nothing about him. I have never met him but he has a good reputation in Alaska, and reputations count in a place as small as Alaska, population-wise. So just knock it off. It ain't cute. |
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14 Apr 09 - 12:04 PM (#2611038) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger Okay, okay, I was just following up on the previous poster. Sheees! |
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14 Apr 09 - 12:22 PM (#2611047) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST, Ebbie Art's take on things is a pithy pun. There is a difference, you konw. |
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14 Apr 09 - 01:14 PM (#2611079) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger Yes, but... In any event, he seems to have been placed there by the dark forces of evil, though he himself might not have been aware of it. |
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14 Apr 09 - 06:15 PM (#2611285) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST, Eb sheesh |
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14 Apr 09 - 07:25 PM (#2611321) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger Why else would Bush attorneys botch the prosecution so badly that Stevens was convicted when they certainly would have known their misdeeds would come to light in short order. Why did the Bush handlers want to get rid of Stevens? |
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15 Apr 09 - 12:37 PM (#2611775) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST, Ebbie I don't know. Share your theories. |
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15 Apr 09 - 12:57 PM (#2611784) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger Actually, all I have are questions. If we were looking for conspiracies, one could be that somebody like George Soros, who participated so completely in getting Obama elected, wanted to be sure he had a friendly Congress, so he bought the prosecution in the Stevens case to ensure the outcome of the election. Of course, Soros wasn't the only well heeled Democratic Obama backer, so... |
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15 Apr 09 - 06:24 PM (#2611992) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: GUEST, Ebbie Good god, Rig. You've got theories to fit either - and both - side(s) of the aisle. Bit cynical, wouldn't you say? 'Twould be seemly if you came up with a reasonable rationale. |
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15 Apr 09 - 07:05 PM (#2612010) Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon From: Riginslinger Well, the other rationale--the prosecution blew the case intentionally so there would be good grounds for appeal--is somebody else's theory. I didn't like it, but didn't want it go get left out. It's hard to imagine that the prosecution did what they did for no reason. That would be the hardest theory to believe of all. |