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13 Apr 09 - 12:14 PM (#2610216) Subject: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: beardedbruce "Not everything that goes into finding a partner is biological. Researchers have also found that if a woman looks at the face of a man whom she knows nothing about, she will give it a rating on a scale of 1 to 10 that's different than if she is shown the same face and a corresponding income. When a man makes a lot of money, a woman will rate him higher on an attractiveness scale than she would that same man with a smaller income. Berman says this isn't a case of women being gold diggers. "It goes back again to evolution. When we were having babies who were very dependent on us, we couldn't hunt and take care of ourselves, so we were looking for the man who had the most social status, who was the best hunter, who was going to bring home the biggest chunk of meat for our babies," she says. "It's the same thing today."" Well, at least they have a good reason.... http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/personal/04/13/o.laws.of.sex.attraction/index.html |
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13 Apr 09 - 01:11 PM (#2610256) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: GUEST "...she will give it a rating on a scale of 1 to 10 that's different than if she is shown the same face and a corresponding income. When a man makes a lot of money, a woman will rate him higher on an attractiveness scale than she would that same man with a smaller income. " And what is the equivalent of a man's reaction to a woman's "face"? |
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13 Apr 09 - 01:11 PM (#2610258) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: GUEST, Ebbie Oh, sorry. That was me. |
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13 Apr 09 - 01:16 PM (#2610260) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: katlaughing Men look at faces?:-) |
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13 Apr 09 - 01:20 PM (#2610263) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp You can call 'em gold diggers if you want (and I have from time to time), but what it basically is is this: They are lookin' for security. This has always been the case, and it is the case with female chimps too. It's just natural. In the jungle what a guy needs for providin' security is big muscles, big teeth, fast reflexes, and knowin' how to use them. What he needs in modern human society is lotsa money. It's that simple. If I had 20 trillion dollars I could date anyone. Probably even Angelina Jolie. - Chongo |
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13 Apr 09 - 01:26 PM (#2610271) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Bill D Like all generalizations, it doesn't deal much with the exceptions.... of which I and 'most' guys I know are happy beneficiaries. |
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13 Apr 09 - 01:31 PM (#2610274) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: SINSULL I was absolutely positive that Bobert and P-vine was going at it again. |
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13 Apr 09 - 01:31 PM (#2610277) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Yeah, there are always exceptions, sure. I have seen women who would hang out with the most unpleasant jerks and total losers who ain't got five bucks to their name. It mighta been because they had so much in common with them....or it mighta been that they were lookin' for a new way to suffer...or maybe they thought they needed the challenge and could "save" the guy? Who knows? The fact remains, though, that rich men don't have much trouble findin' female attention, do they? - Chongo |
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13 Apr 09 - 02:17 PM (#2610301) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: GUEST,mg Why do you say that is not biological? It is the essence of biology. mg |
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13 Apr 09 - 02:35 PM (#2610308) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Raptor I think men look for a woman who'll best feed a baby as well... Sorry it had to be said. |
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13 Apr 09 - 03:11 PM (#2610334) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Bill D "...rich men don't have much trouble findin' female attention, do they?" No...they find exactly the quality of attention that most of them deserve. ---------------------------------------------- "Sorry it had to be said." too bad it was said without the 'r'. |
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13 Apr 09 - 03:37 PM (#2610354) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Amos So, it took a somewhat slanted assertion about women to bring Little Hawk back into the fray? THe only reason he's using Chongo's handle is, he doesn't want Chinga to find him, as he owes her child support. As to women, like all human beings they seek to optimize future survival for themselves, their families and their associated survival groups, belief cohorts, and symbionts. That's a rational thing to do. So it makes sense a man with a large billfold would be more attractive than the same man with a small one (other things being equal, which other things never are)... This is the same reason men generally find large breasts in women attractive--it suggests strong maternal capabilities, even though that is not a rational correlation to make. But it suggests it, and that means better future survival for offspring (among other things, which are never equal and hardly ever what they seem to be in prospect). A |
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13 Apr 09 - 04:07 PM (#2610380) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Wesley S Here's something that dwditty posted to the Joke thread of 2009: Dan was a single guy living at home with his father and working in the family business. When he found out he was going to inherit a fortune when his sickly father died, he decided he needed a wife with whom to share his fortune. One evening at an investment meeting he spotted the most beautiful woman he had ever seen. Her natural beauty took his breath away. 'I may look like just an ordinary man,' he said to her, but in just a few years, my father will die, and I'll inherit $650 million.' Impressed, the woman obtained his business card and three days later, she became his stepmother. Proof that women are better financial planners than men. |
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13 Apr 09 - 04:25 PM (#2610401) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: meself "same reason men generally find large breasts in women attractive" Do they/we? It may sound like a dumb question, and I know it's the popular perception, but is there any basis for believing it's true? Any conclusive studies done? |
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13 Apr 09 - 04:39 PM (#2610409) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Raptor Since you're asking I prefer small breasts. Since you're asking. |
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13 Apr 09 - 04:46 PM (#2610420) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Wesley S And just because we notice big ones doesn't mean we're attracted to them. I notice Harleys when they pass by too. But I'm not in the market for one. |
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13 Apr 09 - 04:50 PM (#2610429) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Micca re breast size "anything you can't fit in your mouth is wasted" If one allows the categorising of "money" as a survival characteristic, then what is the "survival value" in and why do attractive talented intellegent women, given a choice, almost unerringly take up with the a**holes who will treat them badly and may be both physically and mentally abusive to boot! This is something that has puzzled me for many years, Maybe its true the "good guy" (whom you would ,at least superficially expect to have a "good survival" rating as a nurturing supportive person) finishes second!! Maybe the right decision is to stick to wine and song, and eschew women after all. |
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13 Apr 09 - 05:15 PM (#2610441) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: McGrath of Harlow Reversion to the norm plays a part in these matters. |
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13 Apr 09 - 05:50 PM (#2610467) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Amos A couple of quick responses, Micca: 1. There is no question that a nest-egg makes for better survival, because it helps invoke help. If you can hire a young man to repair your roof when it falls in, you are liekly to be less at risk of broken legs, etc. You can buy shelter, transport, food and communication facilities long after you are too old to invent them all on your own. 2. For every vector toward survival/better futures there is someone who will be beaten down enough to go upside down and elect the opposite path. People who have been jammed hard into being victims will make decisions that further that identity even when it is not good survival. A |
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13 Apr 09 - 06:35 PM (#2610499) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: gnu Amos.... "That's a rational thing to do...." Ah. There's la difference. Women are rational. Men are not. Oh, yeah, that is another generalization for nu-huh. Which would include all the REAL men who want to sign up forthwith on yet another thread about... sigh... form a line in alphebetical order... I am not a lout, but, Jaysus, do we have to talk about our feelings again??? And apologize for being.... men? It's sooo, new age male, if you can connect with my feelings. Sorry if I offended. If not, sorry I didn't. |
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13 Apr 09 - 06:36 PM (#2610501) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Bobert Yeah, Sins, I donno??? I looked at this thread title and thought to myslelf, "Don't open it, Boberdz... You prolly started it last night after a few beers and seein' as you don't remember it, you musta really stunk up the joint with whatever you wrote..." But then I opened it and found that I didn't start it... Whew!!! I donno... I look at women driving the Caddie Escallades and they are all foxes... Tell ya' somethin'... They dig rich guys... Hey, that's okay... They gotta look at these guys every day for those bucks... And worse... B~ |
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13 Apr 09 - 06:39 PM (#2610503) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: gnu Can't wait til I win the lotto. I am gonna conduct me some research. |
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13 Apr 09 - 07:12 PM (#2610539) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Amos U din't believe I have ever apologized for being a man. And I think it would be foolish for any woman to apologize for her womanhood. But I am usually ready to apologize if I act irrational, or do something harmful, and I would expect any woman worth her salt to stand ready to do the same. A |
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13 Apr 09 - 07:15 PM (#2610544) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: gnu Yer screwed. |
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13 Apr 09 - 07:16 PM (#2610547) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: gnu Yes, that is a generalization... innit? |
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13 Apr 09 - 08:18 PM (#2610583) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Amos I don't think so, Gnu--the women I love and have loved have always had a gentle sense of responsibility where it was appropriate. Well...most of the time. The brash assertion of course brings a host of exceptions popping to mind. LOL!!! A |
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13 Apr 09 - 08:48 PM (#2610605) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Joe_F It's a good strategy for the chromosomes of stupid women to cause those women to lay their chromosomes aside those of sons of bitches who will lay them aside lots of stupid women who will produce more sons of bitches & more stupid women, etc., etc., etc. However, other strategies are available. |
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13 Apr 09 - 09:08 PM (#2610615) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Amos The sad evolutionary truth seems to be that in the battle between quantity and quality, quantity wins... A |
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13 Apr 09 - 10:28 PM (#2610651) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Bill D "quantity wins..." Wins what? Depends on where you look and what what the standards are.... he said in his best philosophic manner. |
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13 Apr 09 - 10:56 PM (#2610668) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Janie Stupid thread topic. Take a look outside of the comfy upper middle and middle middle class and observe all the single mothers and married women who are not only the primary wage earner, but are also the primary cook, housekeeper, bill payer, child rearer, lawn mower, etc. Then take a look at the vast numbers of middle and lower middle class families where the woman works for about the same or less than the wages of her partner, but works just as many hours, plus takes primary responsibility for running the household. Then take a look at the households where the wife does not work. The vast majority of these women work very, very hard at keeping house, raising kids, volunteering their time doing important work in the schools, social ministries and civic organizations, town planning boards, and doing "pick-up" childcare at the drop of a hat for working mothers like me when there is a teacher workday, an early school closing for school, or when a neighbor's youngin' is too sick to go to school, but mom, and sometimes dad, doesn't have pto to stay home and can't afford to lose the wages. Stupid, stupid thread. |
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14 Apr 09 - 01:30 AM (#2610713) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity From the 'For what it's worth department: Just last week, on the news, a survey found that women, would prefer to win 'America's Top Model'...rather than win a Nobel Peace Prize..some of you may have heard that. Later, in the newscast, when they were re-capping the story, there was more of the survey, which gave some from the other side. One interesting note, was (and I believe it was over 70% of men) would pick a woman for her face...rather than her motives! Which brings me to this:....Women, have no honor, and men have no pride. A woman can do just about anything she wants, with anybody, any time and think of some reason to rationalize, and justify her actions, and think it's all right! Where is the honor in that?????!!!! A man, can drop everything he knows, that is decent, and honorable, and focus everything he is, and has, to pursue a woman, who does that, and think he's great..and how can he take pride in that???!!!???!! |
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14 Apr 09 - 01:41 AM (#2610719) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: CarolC The reason the rich guys get all the best looking women is because they're just as shallow as the gold-digging women are. If you marry for looks or money, that's what you get. Either looks or money. But other important attributes may be missing, like kindness and compassion, and love. |
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14 Apr 09 - 02:28 AM (#2610728) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity CarolC, Once again,(and I know it's not too often) I wholeheartedly agree with you!...But then, where do you find either of those, these days? |
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14 Apr 09 - 04:26 AM (#2610756) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Penny S. I heard the results of a survey some years back on whether women preferred Tony Blair or William Hague interpreted as a preference for bald men. My own feeling was that the reason for making that choice lay in other factors rather than hair - the genuineness of the person concerned. Penny |
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14 Apr 09 - 08:04 AM (#2610859) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: GUEST,choosey All sorts of evolutionary theory explains why and how animals 'choose' thier partners. Selfish genery, sperm competition, sexual selection and survival... all have important points that illustrate how some unconscious choices are made. But we are Human - Homo sapiens - and supposed to be above all that sort of thing because we have a highly evolved brain and communication skills that allow us to go one better than the animals. Many do, of course, invoke moral and ethical reasoning on their own and other's sexual behaviours BUT, and it's a big BUT, initially many respond to those very same evoltionary cues that many animals (including the 'higher primates') respond to. Women choose all sorts of things about men subconsciously. A big thing in biology is symmetry and the closer a woman is to ovulation the greater her ability, on average, to choose a man who has greater biological symmetry than his cohorts. They can also do this by smell too. Totally unconciously they will find certain men more attractive at various times in their menstrual cycle than at others. When biological measurements are taken on those men they tend to have greater symmetry. That said, in modern terms, the size of man's bank account may well influence some. You get some men who are not biological prime specimens but that does not mean they could not be a good Father or partner. Having a father for your children and a man to give you those children could actually mean two partners and this happens in a lot of so called monogamous species. I use the words 'on average' a great deal because it is all one can say in truth. There will always be exceptions to the rule and these can be quite normal too in a need to survive way. Not all men do choose large breasts and hips on a young woman, but on average they do for very strong biological reasons. It's all very complex and no short commentary here could ever do justice to the subject. A great book to read, if you can get hold of it now, is "The Red Queen Hypothesis" by Matt Ridley. It explains many of the reasons why various things happen in the animal kingdom to do with sexual selection. Sit at a bar on a Friday and Saturday night and watch the games people play after reading that book! All that said, many people find their ideal partner way outside of what biology says they should and they remain happy, raise children and make wonder parents and partners. For those who get it right the rules still apply, inasmuch as it can be explained, and nice guys can finish first. It's not all the woman's doing and we get blamed for a great deal but, very basically, women have something men want and that will always make for currency in the biological world. Women can still get turned on by what a man has between his ears too, and vice versa, so for guys who can write songs that touch a nerve... How many here go for guys with deeper voices? That, too, appears to be on the list of how a woman may choose a partner. And balding men are said to have higher testosterone levels (which is why some have more hair on their body than on their heads). But only some. It's great fun when it all goes right :-) Cannot wait for the first song to be written on the subjects. Truth is that they already have under different auspices lol |
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14 Apr 09 - 08:05 AM (#2610860) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: 3refs According to my Grandmother, who went to the great beyond 36 years ago, women look at the hair first and then the shoes. I took that to heart! For you hockey fans, my nick-name in the refereeing world is "Kerry Fraser" and I, more often than not, wear dress "Don Quixote" country boots. Granny was born in 1887 and I'm convinced her observations are bang on!!! |
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14 Apr 09 - 09:13 AM (#2610904) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: George Papavgeris Oh, her disappointment when she found out that "Onassis" is how we pronounce "Papavgeris" in my neck of the woods... |
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14 Apr 09 - 11:04 AM (#2610988) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: beardedbruce Choosery, See the first post clicky. |
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14 Apr 09 - 11:34 AM (#2611015) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Uncle_DaveO Micca asked: what is the "survival value" in and why do attractive talented intellegent women, given a choice, almost unerringly take up with the a**holes who will treat them badly and may be both physically and mentally abusive to boot! Who says they do? Some few do, of course, but that quote implies that all or most "attractive talented intellegent [sic] women" choose masochistically. As the formal debaters used to say, "I deny your major premise!" On another subject, remember that, at least as it used to be say sixty and more years ago, choice of a mate was in large part a career or professional decision. To a degree, it still is. And remember, too, that "attractiveness" is a multifaceted, highly subjective judgment. Looks, social status, personality, income-producing potential, and maybe other aspects of a candidate go into that judgment. And for a woman with an risk-taking twist, the flashy go-getter, the "fun" scapegrace may tickle the woman's sense of on-the-edge adventure, and thus seem attractive. But not all or even most of them, Micca. Dave Oesterreich |
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14 Apr 09 - 11:35 AM (#2611016) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: GUEST,choosey My apologies bearedbruce. I had not read that as it took an age to load on my computer. Have read it now! :-) Seems I have read and been involved in the science rather than CNN but point taken. Best wishes |
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14 Apr 09 - 11:43 AM (#2611022) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Big Mick Janie,......I'm with you. |
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14 Apr 09 - 11:46 AM (#2611023) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: beardedbruce Seems like no-one else read it, either. But I get jumped on when I post long articles... Anyway, it was on Oprah, so it MUST be true. |
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14 Apr 09 - 11:53 AM (#2611028) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: katlaughing Well said, Janie. |
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14 Apr 09 - 11:56 AM (#2611030) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: GUEST,choosey Well I would tend to not go for the Oprah type things nor the sensationalism that can be associated with reporting findings but the actual science side of it is quite thrilling and exciting. Most animal behavioural observations are facinating to me so I am sorry once again that I got carried away. I was not aware there was a limit to the length of answers so will try to be better in the future. The evolution of folk music and it's performers raises enough controversy on the boards at times so one on this subject made a nice change. ;-) |
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14 Apr 09 - 12:01 PM (#2611034) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: beardedbruce No limit unless you are in the minority viewpoint, it seems. Posts of up to a full screen are allowed, but long cut&pastes are discouraged- even though most never go to clickies to see source material. |
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14 Apr 09 - 05:53 PM (#2611271) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: GUEST,leeneia Never mind looks. Never mind money. If he doesn't get your jokes, it's hopeless. ============ We had a library book in the home recently. I forget the title and author, but it was about 'social evolution.' One statistic stays with me. It is that the young female in a May-December marriage is at high risk of being murdered by her husband. I mean, compared to other wives. Since it is usually mature men who have lots of money, I think that puts the kibosh on their general attractiveness. |
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14 Apr 09 - 06:13 PM (#2611283) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: GUEST, Ebbie "It is that the young female in a May-December marriage is at high risk of being murdered by her husband. I mean, compared to other wives. Not necessarily, leenia. Perhaps the young wife was caught looking for love outside the marriage. :) I agree, though, that this thread is on the shtoopid side, full of generalizations and false reasoning and some of it revealingly misogynistic. Incidentally, Micca, just for the record, I would never charge you with being a misogynist! :) |
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14 Apr 09 - 06:25 PM (#2611291) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Micca Uncle_DaveO, you may be right, I may not be positing from a statistically significant population in numbers but in my not inconsiderable number of yours FAR too many of these kind of events have occured, so while it may not be most(and I do not think I said or implied that) the number I have encountered (and used my waterproof shoulder to comfort) is way too high to say it is insignificant. If you re-read my post you will find I was not quantifying the occurance but wondering how this behaviour, when it does occur, factored into "survival" characteristics" in a positive way, even if only a relatively small number of women do it it would seem to me to be a negative survival trait. Maybe it is "learned behaviour" in the same way that abuse (both giving and receiving, often where the recipient becomes the abuser in later life) seems to perpetuate down through generations |
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14 Apr 09 - 06:52 PM (#2611302) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Micca Ebbie, Im a Pagan, not a misogynist!!, I dont even know who the God Misogyn is!! |
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14 Apr 09 - 07:04 PM (#2611310) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Amos A polypaganist, he!! A |
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14 Apr 09 - 07:17 PM (#2611315) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Bill D "the God Misogyn " Obviously, a doctor who prescribes Miso for women's ailments. |
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15 Apr 09 - 12:43 AM (#2611449) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Is it my imagination, or what?.....This thread has gotten somewhere, between the ridiculous, and the absurd. I wonder why...(but not wondering hard!). |
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15 Apr 09 - 11:44 PM (#2612186) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Bert ...Men look at faces?:-) ... LOL kat. reminds me of the time that Tree asked me 'who has nice lips on TV' I said 'Seven of Nine' she said 'You NOTICED her LIPS!!!' |
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16 Apr 09 - 09:57 AM (#2612365) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Donuel Kathy Lee Gifford has a book out regarding the truth about women. Its called "I thought I dropped my last egg... or something to that effect. |
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17 Apr 09 - 05:56 AM (#2612980) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Emma B "This is the same reason men generally find large breasts in women attractive--it suggests strong maternal capabilities, even though that is not a rational correlation to make." Sure isn't rational; the 'truth'? maybe not either The amount of fatty tissue and the size of the breast are not related to the ability to produce milk At the risk of raining on the attempt to rationalize some male obsessions with female breast size, breastfeeding can present special challenges for the large breasted woman and can, in extreme instances, lead to hypernatraemic dehydration in infants. |
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27 Apr 09 - 08:17 AM (#2619495) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: beardedbruce And this article seems to let on the truth about men... at least in Britain. I will put it all here, since so many can't be bothered to read articles from clickies before commenting... Does Beer (Goggling) Affect Whom We Find Attractive? By John Cloud Monday, Apr. 27, 2009 There's no better place to ask such questions than in Britain, where the culture of alcohol and inappropriate sex is so ingrained that it is subjected to rigorous academic inquiry. Recently, a pair of research psychologists — Vincent Egan of the University of Leicester and Giray Cordan of the University of Exeter — completed a survey of 240 subjects, half of whom had been drinking, to find out how drinkers and non-drinkers experience attraction. What they found was interesting, if a bit creepy. (Learn about addiction and the brain.) The creepy part has to do with how all people, not just drinkers, rate the attractiveness of minors. Researchers have known for years that adults have a deep appreciation for neoteny, the retention of juvenile features like large eyes and baby-smooth skin in adults. Our fondness for neoteny is both obvious — most people find other people with youthful features to be attractive — and unsettling. Appreciating neotenous features isn't the same as being sexually attracted to children, but at least one study has found that average, college-age heterosexual males and child molesters share remarkably similar (and deeply neotenous) attractions: high cheekbones, unwrinkled eyes, glabrous skin. Evolution, in short, favors nubile females who still look like they have a great many years of fertility ahead of them. Evolutionary impulses are more complicated for women, who tend to seek men who are powerful and can provide maximum care for their offspring, and such men aren't always young-looking. Gay men have two equally enthusiastic subcultures favoring twinks or bears — guys who look like they are in their teens and guys who look like they could be your dad. The new study, set to be published in June in the 100th issue of the British Journal of Psychology, examined how alcohol plays into all these murky attractions to youth. The vast majority of men don't act on their potentially inappropriate, or criminal, impulses, but can those who do blame the booze? The study's authors, Egan and Cordan, asked their 120 drinking and 120 sober participants to rate the attractiveness of 15-year-old girls versus 19-year-old girls shown in photographs. The study participants were evenly divided between men and women. For ethical and legal reasons, the photos were actually altered images of 17-year-old students from McMaster University in Ontario; they had given permission for their likenesses to be used. Researchers digitally manipulated the pictures to make the students' craniofacial features look like those of typical 15-year-olds or those of 19-year-olds. The doctored pictures were then shown in random order to participants recruited in bars, airport lounges, cafes and other natural settings. On average, the participants found the "15-year-olds" slightly more attractive than the "19-year-olds," which reconfirms our inclination toward neoteny. Both men and women found the more youthful images of girls to be a bit more attractive than the older ones. Surprisingly, drinking had little impact on the results. Both drinkers and nondrinkers tended to favor the 15-year-old girls over the older ones, and when asked to estimate the younger girls' age, both groups of participants overestimated them to be just over 18 — or, just over the legal age for sex in the U.S. (The one condition under which drinkers preferred the 19-year-old faces was when they were wearing makeup, which has the effect of smoothing out wrinkles and granting a younger appearance — a finding won't come as a great surprise to any woman who has ever worn rouge.) The study suggests that guys who claim they were too drunk to notice that a girl was underage are probably lying, since drunkenness doesn't have much to do with one's ability to estimate age or attractiveness. But that raises a disturbing conclusion: you don't have to be drunk to think the girl next door looks better than your wife. It may be wired into your genes. |
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27 Apr 09 - 04:44 PM (#2619908) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Joe_F Other primates don't have protruding breasts, so there must be something special about our species to account for our males' preference for them. A theory that I read a long time ago was the following: Originally, men pursued women as they pursued game -- from behind; so it was helpful to be attracted by buttocks. Then language was invented, with the consequence that women were pursued primarily from the front, and so corresponding protuberances were selected for. An explanation as charming as that does not have to be true. |
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27 Apr 09 - 04:48 PM (#2619910) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: frogprince Does it follow from that that men like nipples because nipples look like pimples on a rump? |
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27 Apr 09 - 06:59 PM (#2620017) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Ebbie lol |
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27 Apr 09 - 07:06 PM (#2620024) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Ed T "Black women don`t have the same body image problems as white women. They are proud of their bodies. Black men love big butts" Quote by Tyra Banks |
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27 Apr 09 - 11:06 PM (#2620156) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: meself "our males' preference for them" [that is, "protruding breasts"] Once again: has this ever been established scientifically, or is it just modern folklore? |
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27 Apr 09 - 11:15 PM (#2620159) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: frogprince I think the author of "The Naked Ape", (Desmond Morris?) set forth the breasts-as-substitute-buns thing as fact, but I've no idea if it was original with him. I suspect that there isn't really a grain of anything but conjecture there. I think he also informed the world of the "fact" that lipstick was invented to make lips look more like vaginal labia. I'm, uh, not totally convinced of that, either. |
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27 Apr 09 - 11:49 PM (#2620177) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJfFGgzhfhY&feature=related |
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28 Apr 09 - 12:01 AM (#2620184) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Sorry, the last link I gave was incorrect(don't know how that happened) this one is correct! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH9SckpojCA&feature=related |
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28 Apr 09 - 12:14 AM (#2620186) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Try this one, if the others didn't work... www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH9SckpojCA&feature=related |
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28 Apr 09 - 12:16 AM (#2620187) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity If none of those worked, delete them. I copied them, from my address bar, but when I tried them, they didn't work...shrugs shoulders |
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28 Apr 09 - 07:03 AM (#2620337) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: beardedbruce Joe F. Look at "The Descent of Women" by Elaine Morgan, ( NOT the one by Sontag!!!) Well worth reading. |
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28 Apr 09 - 09:55 PM (#2620893) Subject: RE: BS: 'Truth' about women. From: Joe_F Thanks for the reference, bb. %^) |