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06 Jun 09 - 03:17 PM (#2650103) Subject: Hoots mon + meaning of first phrase From: Leadbelly Here comes an urgent question more than 50 years after Lord Rockingham's XI reached top postion of british charts with this curious song. Which is the english meaning of the following phrase?: "Hoots mon it's a bracht bricht moonlit nicht". Thanks a lot, Manfred |
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06 Jun 09 - 03:23 PM (#2650108) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: GUEST,kenny "My goodness - what a lovely moonlight night" - an' it's no' "bracht", it's "braw". |
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06 Jun 09 - 03:33 PM (#2650120) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: Jack Campin They were alluding to this: Harry Lauder: A Wee Deoch an Doris |
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06 Jun 09 - 04:00 PM (#2650148) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: Bernard Cherry Wainer on the Hammond orgasm (oops!!)... drool!! Brings back memories! I was 10... I still have copies of the single on both 78 rpm and 45 rpm!! 2 minutes 15 seconds, typical of the 1950s. Anyone want an MP3? Any road up, I thought it was 'Hoots mon, it's a braw, brecht moonlecht necht'... and 'Hoots mon, there's a moose loose aboot this hoose!' The tune was a rocked up '100 pipers'... may I recommend you listen to the Red Hot Chilli Pipers?! I jib at using the invective 'awesome', but perhaps it fits on this occasion! |
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06 Jun 09 - 04:13 PM (#2650159) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: Leadbelly Many thanks to Kenny, Jack and Bernard for explanation and sharing memories concerning this title. Wasn't there a minor follow up hit called "Zig Zag..." or something like this by this group? |
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06 Jun 09 - 04:16 PM (#2650163) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: Bernard Don't remember that, but they did do 'Fried Onions'!! Oh, and (be still my beating heart!) it seems Cherry is still around - or she was a year ago! Information, anyone? |
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06 Jun 09 - 09:02 PM (#2650293) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: Joe_F Note that Mr Lauder, very sensibly, splits the difference & makes it "a braw brecht moonlicht nicht". |
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06 Jun 09 - 09:04 PM (#2650297) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: greg stephens I don't remember a follow-up called Zig Zag, though maybe there was. You aren't perhaps thinking of "Tom Hark", by Elias and the Zig Zag Jive Flutes? That was a kwela(S African) novelty penny whistle hit about that time. |
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07 Jun 09 - 02:41 AM (#2650381) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: Leadbelly Thanks, Greg, for correction. Indeed, my memory did not serves me well. With "Tom Hark" Elias and his group made top-ten entry, but has nothing to do with Lord Rockingham's XI. Getting old... |
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07 Jun 09 - 05:55 AM (#2650427) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: BobKnight Harry Lauder may have pronounced it "brecht," but it's definitly "bricht." Just the Scots form of "bright." |
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07 Jun 09 - 09:51 AM (#2650532) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: wilbyhillbilly Lord Rockingham's XI were a group of musicians put together to play as the heavily sax laden resident band on 'Oh Boy!'. Jack Good had created this TV rock and roll show shortly after being dismissed by the BBC. Although Good had produced the very successful 'Six-5 Special' for the Beeb, he was deemed to be too reckless for Auntie and given his marching orders. Unfortunately for the BBC he was not unemployed for long and ITV were then able to host one of the UK's definitive TV popular music programmes. Lord Rockingham's XI actually had 13 musicians in all if you included bandleader Harry Robinson and lady organist Cherry Wainer. Well known jazz 'buff' Benny Green played alto saxophone with the band, but was so embarrassed by it that he often played in sunglasses to hide the fact. Although most people identified scotsman Harry Robinson as Lord Rockingham, this wasn't the case according to Jack Good. After achieving fame with their single 'Hoots Mon' and wanting to go 'on the road', there was considerable argument about who had rights to the name Lord Rockingham, and lawyers had to be brought in to settle the dispute! Although Good had created the name as a play on words 'rocking 'em', there really had been a real Lord Rockingham in times past. Just Google Cherry Wainer for loads more info, orYouTube to see her in action, brilliant |
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07 Jun 09 - 03:00 PM (#2650715) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: Leadbelly wilbyhillbilly, thanks for these additional information about this group! In the meantime I found out that the minor follow up hit was "Wee Tom" reaching rank 16 in the hitparade. Thanks to all! |
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08 Jun 09 - 04:36 AM (#2651117) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: bubblyrat I believe "bricht" and "nicht" both make an appearance in "The Bonny Ship The Diamond", if that would help to resolve the spelling problem ?? |
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08 Jun 09 - 06:02 AM (#2651158) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: Roger the Skiffler ...and Red Price , ubiquitous tenor player of the era was on lead tenor sax. RtS |
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08 Jun 09 - 06:04 AM (#2651160) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: Roger the Skiffler This from an old thread: Subject: RE: NON-Music: Mouse in the House Louse? From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler - PM Date: 26 Mar 01 - 08:16 AM Just in case anyone was wondering who the rest of the Lord Rockingham's XI were on the Hoot's Mon track(don't seem to be 11, just as the Temperance Seven were rarely fewer than nine!): Vocal, leader, conductor: Harry Robinson Saxes: Red Price (lead tenor);Benny Green;Cyril Reubens Organ:Cherry Wainer Guitars: Bernie Taylor and Kenny Packwood Double-bass:Ronnie Black Drums:Reg Weller. RtS (still playing with the National Sound Archive catalogue! [that's http://www.cadensa.bl.uk)) RtS |
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11 Jun 09 - 07:51 AM (#2653875) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: Bernard The pronunciation, and therefore spelling, would vary according to region, methinks. There's no such thing as 'correct'!! I've heard 'bright' pronounced 'brecht' more often than 'bricht', which fits in with the Glaswegian twang. Billy Connolly, for example. Thinking back, Cherry Wainer was probably the main influence on me taking up the organ, though I went in the ecclesiastical direction! |
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11 Jun 09 - 08:33 AM (#2653887) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: BobKnight It depends on how you pronounce the "i" really. Here in the N.E. of Scotland it's completely different sound from the Central Belt. |
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11 Jun 09 - 10:54 AM (#2653992) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: GUEST,Allan "Harry Lauder may have pronounced it brecht but it is definitely bricht, the Scots form of bright" There is no written standard as such so both 'brecht' and 'bricht' are correct. Actually in the Borders it would be pronouned more like "bright" itself with just a slight 'ch' sound if any at all. It is just a matter of what type of Scots accent it is. |
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11 Jun 09 - 08:26 PM (#2654456) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: Dave the Gnome What about the famous Scottish frontiersman? Hawkeye the noo... I'll get me kilt. DeG |
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11 Jun 09 - 09:14 PM (#2654493) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: Leadfingers Some people improve with age -- Try it Dave ! LOL |
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12 Jun 09 - 09:47 AM (#2654818) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: GUEST,leeneia Short e's and short i's tend to switch places among English speakers around the world. I remember hearing the Battlefield singing 'hell' for 'hill' and 'stell' for 'still.' I have a relative from Tennessee, where they say 'stickpin' and 'inkpin' so you'll know what kind of 'pin' is wanted. And 'English' and 'England' really ought to be spelled 'Inglish' and 'Ingland' to be phonetic. As for the song, it wouldn't surprise me if the very same Scottish speaker said 'bricht' one day and 'brecht' another day. |
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12 Jun 09 - 06:48 PM (#2655241) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: Bernard The quickest way to ascertain whether someone is from Oz or is a kiwi is to give them a piece of paper with 'dead rat' written on it, and ask them to read it. The kiwi will say 'did rit'! Just thought I'd mention it! |
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12 Jun 09 - 09:30 PM (#2655347) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: Little Robyn No, no, kiwis from my part of New Zild say dead rat, Ozzies would say deed reat! Robyn |
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15 Jul 11 - 11:58 AM (#3188295) Subject: RE: Hoots mon/Temperance Seven From: GUEST,shakey The Temperance seven were so called because there were nine of them (one over the eight!). |
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15 Jul 11 - 02:09 PM (#3188352) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: gnu I thought there was at least 14. |
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15 Jul 11 - 05:27 PM (#3188450) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: Tattie Bogle BRECHT: German playwright! (No in ma Scots dictionary nor the online yin!) "equally correct" c'moan!! BRICHT: bright - aye tae that! Mebbe depends hoo ye heared it. |
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15 Jul 11 - 10:19 PM (#3188575) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: Smokey. The Bonzo's version, for your entertainment and delight. |
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16 Jul 11 - 05:22 AM (#3188659) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: Tattie Bogle Pure dead BRULLIANT! (Aye that was a U as in that white drink, MULK) Noo, here's Lord Rockingham's X1: dodgy accent but still BRICHT! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wioh5qUj7fM |
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16 Jul 11 - 07:23 AM (#3188702) Subject: RE: Hoots mon From: Hamish Hoots, toots! |