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07 Aug 09 - 06:30 PM (#2695809) Subject: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room From: Q (Frank Staplin) Looking for poem of this title by Edmund Hill, author of "A Mon Like Thee." Lyrics would be much appreciated. Printed in "Poems," 1913, Edmund Hill. (Used copies available, but at collector's prices; too much for me). |
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07 Aug 09 - 06:40 PM (#2695814) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room From: Joe Offer I was thinking of Wee Dark Engine Room by Harry Robertson, but no cigar. Back to the drawing board. -Joe- |
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07 Aug 09 - 06:46 PM (#2695815) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room From: Peace Have you looked under Edmund L Hill? |
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07 Aug 09 - 06:52 PM (#2695818) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room From: Amergin I have heard a song called this years ago....it was done to a rock tune....a shipmate had it on cassette...and it was the only song we listened to on the album....as it was the only good one. |
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07 Aug 09 - 07:10 PM (#2695825) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room From: Q (Frank Staplin) I am looking for the original poem, from the book cited. Seemingly it was never reprinted, but I hoped some of our UK posters would have access to it. |
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07 Aug 09 - 07:14 PM (#2695827) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room From: Peace Can't find it, Q. Sorry. |
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08 Aug 09 - 05:18 PM (#2696044) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room From: Charley Noble I've tried the Oldpoetry website (oldpoetry.com) to no avail. I've also tried unsuccessfully searching for Edmund Hill as an author on the Bookfinder website. Any other clues? Charley Noble |
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08 Aug 09 - 05:30 PM (#2696048) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room From: seaJane There's a copy in the Bodleian Library bookstack in Oxford. If I can't get there from Somerset any time soon I'll ask a friend to call the book up and copy out the poem. You have a deadline for the requirement? |
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08 Aug 09 - 05:45 PM (#2696057) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room From: Q (Frank Staplin) seaJane, many thanks! I found copies for sale at abebooks.com, but too expensive for me. If not too much trouble, also look at "A Mon Like Thee," which I believe was published in the same volume. I am not sure that the lyrics posted here in a thread of that name are accurate. This is a volume that should be picked up by Gutenberg or other ebook printer. No hurry, no deadline. And thanks again. |
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08 Aug 09 - 05:48 PM (#2696061) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room From: seaJane Okay: give me a nudge if you hear nothing, but I'm out the country most of September. |
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08 Aug 09 - 10:54 PM (#2696183) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room From: Charley Noble Yah, let's nail this one. I'd really like to post some of the poems onto Oldpoetry where I'm a moderator. If you can borrow the book through inter-library loan and photocopy and/or scan it (300 ppi), we'd have a whole set of interesting poems in the bag. PM me for further advice. Charley Noble |
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09 Aug 09 - 01:09 PM (#2696433) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room From: Q (Frank Staplin) Good idea, Charley. Willing to pay copy costs. But belay for the nonce; I have ordered a copy from a source that promises the sale price to Oxfam. Let you know if my purchase is confirmed. Copying would be a large favor, seaJane, but would be greatly appreciated, if my purchase falls through. |
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10 Aug 09 - 04:41 PM (#2697195) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room From: Q (Frank Staplin) Purchase confirmed. Should have the book in a week or two. |
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11 Aug 09 - 06:46 PM (#2698040) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room From: seaJane Oh well done - great - I'll scratch it off the list, but let me know if there's ever anything I can dig out of the Bod. |
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11 Aug 09 - 07:17 PM (#2698074) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room From: Q (Frank Staplin) seajane, Thanks. |
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11 Aug 09 - 08:10 PM (#2698134) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room From: Charley Noble Q- It's nice just to sit back and wait while you do all the work! I do hope there is some more gold in what you harvest. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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12 Aug 09 - 02:57 AM (#2698306) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room From: Joe Offer OK, so there was mention of a pop version of this song. Anybody have the lyrics? -Joe- |
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12 Aug 09 - 11:52 AM (#2698594) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room From: Q (Frank Staplin) A website, probably unreliable, says that "Wee Dark Engine Room," linked by Joe, above, is by Eric Bogle, but he probably just sang it. Also states that it was recorded by Ed trickett on "The Ways of Man," FSI-68 copyright 1978. Wee dark engine room A good song. Should be posted here with proper citation. |
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12 Aug 09 - 12:13 PM (#2698611) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room From: Q (Frank Staplin) More digression, but Mike Watt has composed a 'punk opera' called "Contemplating the Engine Room." The action takes place in the engine room of a ship. Songs include: In the Engine Room Red Bluff The Bluejackets' Manual Pedro Bound The Boilerman Black Gang Coffee Topsiders No One Says Old Man Fireman Hurley Liberty Calls In the Bunkroom/Navy Wife Breaking the Choke Hold Crossing the Equator Wrapped Around the Screw Shore Duty Complete lyrics at Contemplating Engine Room Has anyone heard it? |
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19 Aug 09 - 01:47 PM (#2703908) Subject: Lyr Add: DOWN IN THE ENGINE ROOM (Edmund Hill) From: Q (Frank Staplin) DOWN IN THE ENGINE ROOM Poem by Edmund Hill S. S. "Titanic" April 14, 1912 1 There did they work and tried Each one his work to do, Each did his work and died, Each of them died for you; You who were saved and live- Woe that the saved were few- You who are dead forgive, For they died- the thirty-two. 2 Thirty-two of them died, Thirty-two was their roll; Not a man of them tried- Asking life as a dole- Duty to shirk- in his place Each of them stood and knew He'd only death to face; They faced it- the thirty-two. 3 Hail and Farewell, Brave Dead! Yours is an endless fame, Ages hence will be read How well you earned the name; Down in the engine room, Each to his duty true, Looked- saw- and faced his doom. And died there- the thirty-two. Thirty-two seamen worked in the engine room of the S. S. Titanic, all died. Edmund Hill, c1913, "Poems," p. 53-54. The Electrician Printing & Publishing Co., London. N. D. Edmund Hill was a member of the Institution of Mechanical Engineers, and A. M. I. E. E. |
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19 Aug 09 - 01:52 PM (#2703913) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room (Edmund Hill) From: Q (Frank Staplin) A. M. I. E. E. I. E. E. is the British Institution of Electrical Engineers; A. M. means associate member. |
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19 Aug 09 - 01:55 PM (#2703918) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room (Edmund Hill) From: Amos Man, that brings a shiver, does it not? A |
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19 Aug 09 - 10:39 PM (#2704323) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room (Edmund Hill) From: Charley Noble Q- Wow! Now I have a full ten-song set that will sink the audience through the floor. I'll have to try this one out with a doleful tune or two. And, I suppose, there are other poems of interest? Do we know anything else about edmund Hill? Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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19 Aug 09 - 11:53 PM (#2704369) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room (Edmund Hill) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Charlie, a couple more that might be of interest to you, I'll post them in a day or two. Many are quite long, the verse form hard to visualize with music, and some clunkers like "Gladstone, May 18, 1898." First two lines: Gladstone is dead. The warrior soul at last Has found escape from suffering bravely borne. ..... "Dargai," about storming the crest at Dargai by the Gordon Highlanders, and the wounded piper who led them to the top, "To an Old Oak Cradle," and "The Locomotive's Complaint," may be of some interest, perhaps others. The volume is dedicated to his dog, Nell; his "To Nell" is worth repetition. I can't find any details of Hill's life except his professional employment as a mechanical and electrical engineer. |
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20 Aug 09 - 07:42 AM (#2704542) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room (Edmund Hill) From: Charley Noble Q- You have to love these "time capsules." Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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01 Dec 09 - 12:04 PM (#2777629) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room (Edmund Hill) From: seaJane Something about the writer? I suddenly thought to check the 1901 Census records and they show an Edmund Rouleg Hill, aged 28, electrical engineer. I suspect he is our poet: if so, he would have been born about 1873, and aged 39 or so when the Titanic went down. Unfortunately I can't download the record and have a closer look at it. The 1901 census middle name is a mis-transcription: a further check via FamilySearch.org gives Edmund Rowley Hill, son of Rowley Hill (1836-1887), born on the Isle of Man 19 Feb 1873, died 1 Oct 1947. The 1881 census has the correct middle name and shows the family in London. |
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01 Dec 09 - 02:46 PM (#2777778) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room (Edmund Hill) From: Charley Noble Maybe so! Charley Noble |
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01 Dec 09 - 08:13 PM (#2778041) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room (Edmund Hill) From: Q (Frank Staplin) The poet's name was Edmund L. Hill, not 'R'. His little book is titled "Poems," by Edmund L. Hill, M. I. Mech.E., A. M. I. E. E.; author of "Alfred the Great." I should have included his middle initial in my previous post. The book contains no biographical information. |
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02 Dec 09 - 07:05 AM (#2778340) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room (Edmund Hill) From: seaJane I remember that the book said L. On the other hand, two electrical engineers called Edmund Hill at the same time seems unlikely (admittedly not impossible), whereas typographical errors, even on a title page, are not uncommon. The one Edmund L Hill in the 1901 census is a painter from Cornwall. The 1911 census has an Edmund Lewin Hill aged 40 in Wales, but infuriatingly gives no occupation; and shows Edmund Rowley Hill living in Henley. I must find out who is archivist at the I.E.T. (formerly I.E.E.) and see if he/she can clarify things for me. |
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02 Dec 09 - 03:48 PM (#2778858) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room (Edmund Hill) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Looked up "Alfred the Great," Edmund Hill, and found two entries in Abebooks. Both have the middle initial as 'L'. A the G, 1901, Edmund L. Hill, Unwin, London. The title page of "Poems" lists him as author of this book. From this, I assume 'L' is correct. |
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14 Jul 10 - 08:51 AM (#2944817) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room (Edmund Hill) From: GUEST,Lauren Hill Hi, I can confirm that Edmund Hill lived originally in Kent, and worked as a miner. He moved to St.Helens a century ago where he started to write poems including the local dialect, several of which local groups put to music in the 1960s/1970s. If you need any more information on the poet, though my knowledge is limited, feel free to email me on: hill_lauren@hotmail.co.uk As you may guess from my surname, I am a relative of the poet, but would rather not give too much information on the public domain. I am able to discuss the family tree, life, hobbies, living relatives etc, but would prefer this information to only be shown to those who actually want the information rather than everyone on the internet. Look forward to hearing from you, L.H |
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14 Jul 10 - 09:26 AM (#2944830) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Down in the Engine Room (Edmund Hill) From: bubblyrat I think that the RMS (Royal Mail Ship) Titanic had THREE engine-rooms, which would have been staffed by Stokers and Stoker-Mechanics, or whatever their titles were in the Mercantile Marine of the period; but not Seamen . |