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29 Aug 09 - 10:13 PM (#2711860) Subject: Review: Come o'er the stream Charlie From: mg This is such a great song. How come no one has ever sung it in my presence? |
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29 Aug 09 - 10:14 PM (#2711861) Subject: RE: Review: Come o'er the stream Charlie From: mg Forget it...I give a link one chance to work and only one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrrwyhvJfk8 |
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29 Aug 09 - 10:31 PM (#2711872) Subject: RE: Review: Come o'er the stream Charlie From: Fidjit a big drum |
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30 Aug 09 - 12:51 AM (#2711917) Subject: RE: Review: Come o'er the stream Charlie From: GUEST,DonMeixner The Corries do a fine job of it. Don |
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30 Aug 09 - 02:58 AM (#2711939) Subject: RE: Review: Come o'er the stream Charlie From: masato sakurai It's in James Hogg's The Jacobite Relics of Scotland, second series (1821), pp. 90-92; pp. 301-302 (notes), as Song XLVIII: "Maclean's Welcome". Also in Greig's Scots Minstrelsie (vol.1), and others. |
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30 Aug 09 - 04:46 AM (#2711962) Subject: RE: Review: Come o'er the stream Charlie From: Jack Campin The tune is normally used the link in a "waltz country dance" medley. You don't hear those all that often now, but they are still part of the ceilidh band repertoire. It's basically "Ach du lieber Augustin", isn't it? What tune did Hogg say to use? (This browser doesn't display Google Books pages). |
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30 Aug 09 - 05:09 AM (#2711972) Subject: RE: Review: Come o'er the stream Charlie From: Jim McLean Hogg says "Maclean's Welcome FROM THE GAELIC" and the prints the tune (in F major) we are familiar with. (my copy is dayed 1821) I know what Jack means when comparing it with "Ach du Lieber Augustine", which I always knew as "I'm a Little Dutch boy", especially when it is sung in such a measured waltz tempo. |
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30 Aug 09 - 01:28 PM (#2712230) Subject: RE: Review: Come o'er the stream Charlie From: masato sakurai From The Fiddler's Companion: COME OVER THE STREAM TO CHARLIE. AKA ‑ "Come O'er the Stream, Charlie." AKA and see "Crossing the Stream." Scottish, English; Waltz. G Major. Standard tuning. AB (Kerr, Martin): AAB (Kennedy, O'Neill, Raven): AABCC (Barnes). The title is from a song by James Hogg, composed in 1822 (to a pre-existing melody). Christine Martin (2002) says the tune appears in The Ballroom (1827) as "The Guracha," a Spanish dance. Source for notated version: Chicago Police Sergeant James O'Neill, a fiddler originally from County Down and Francis O'Neill's collaborator [O'Neill]. Barnes (English Country Dance Tunes, vol. 2), 2005; pg. 139 (appears as "Waltz Country Dance"). Kennedy (Fiddlers Tune Book), vol. 1, 1951; No. 74, pg. 36. Kerr (Merry Melodies), vol. 3; No. 306, pg. 33. Martin (Traditional Scottish Music), 2002; pg. 39. O'Neill (Music of Ireland: 1850 Melodies), 1903/1979; No. 153, pg. 27. Raven (English Country Dance Tunes), 1984; pg. 136. X:1 T:Come Over the Stream to Charlie T:Crossing the Stream M:3/4 L:1/8 R:Air or Waltz S:O'Neill – Music of Ireland (1903), No. 153 Z:AK/Fiddler's Companion K:G G2|G3B d2|d2B2e2|d2B2g2|d2B2A2|G3 B d2|d2B2 GE|D2 B2A2|G4:| d2|g3f g2|e3f g2|e2 a3g|(f2d2) d2|g3f g2|e2d2c2|B2A2G2|d4 B2| c3d c2|B2d2g2|edcBAG|(B2 A2) d2|g3 f e2|d2g2e2|d2g2f2|g4|| |
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30 Aug 09 - 02:06 PM (#2712255) Subject: RE: Review: Come o'er the stream Charlie From: Jim McLean Has the melody appeared in print prior to Hogg's 1821 edition? |
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30 Aug 09 - 06:40 PM (#2712446) Subject: RE: Review: Come o'er the stream Charlie From: Jack Campin According to Gore's Scottish Fiddle Music Index, it's in Gale's Pocket Companion, c.1800. Which, amazingly, is the only version Gore lists under any title. |
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31 Aug 09 - 05:44 AM (#2712752) Subject: RE: Review: Come o'er the stream Charlie From: Jim McLean Gore also points to the Gesto Collection (1895), #50 where it appears as "MacLeans' Welcome, a Jacobite air from the Gaelic" and subtitled "Come o'er the Stream, Charlie". I would imagine the Gesto Collection is echoing Hogg rather than anything new. |
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31 Aug 09 - 05:56 AM (#2712764) Subject: RE: Review: Come o'er the stream Charlie From: Big Tim Ewan MacColl recorded it as 'Maclean's Welcome' (c.1965). His notes were: 'This song of greeting sets forth in flowery terms the Highland delights prepared for Prince Charles Edward Stuart's coming by a clan chieftain. In spite of the dubious part played by a Maclean prior to the rising of 1715, the Clan Maclean regiment fought bravely in the front line at the disastrous Battle of Culloden and sustained grevious losses'. |