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09 Sep 09 - 09:47 AM (#2719751) Subject: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,Ed If you're in the UK, I don't know about elsewhere, you can hardly have failed to noitice that all the Beatles records have been remastered and reissued. I bought 'Abbey Road' this morning and have to say I'm pretty impressed. But to expect us all to pay top whack again, well I'm not too sure... Ed |
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09 Sep 09 - 12:56 PM (#2719919) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Eric the Viking I think this has litle to do with Beatles memories but more greed by the record company. It's a shame. None of the Beatles back catalogue has ever been on the lower priced shelves such as "nice price" or cheap label except one early Beatles on "Hallmark" I believe. I bought the last album (Love) and also the excerpts and snippets (anthology) released in the 90's. I have all the albums and won't buy these. I bought the Byrds remastered series and didn't find too much difference, but then I am old enough to have some hearing loss and also was one of the crowd when Hard day's night was filmed. |
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09 Sep 09 - 01:07 PM (#2719925) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: pdq Michael Jackson bought the rights to the Beatles songs many years ago. Not sure if they have been re-sold since. I remember Paul McCartney objecting to the use of "Revolution" in a commercial. Jackson had it pulled. Does anyone know if these new releases put money into the Jackson family fortune? |
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09 Sep 09 - 02:12 PM (#2719987) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Cleverthreads (inactive) Michael Jackson and Sony Records own the rights to Northern Songs. However McCartney's MPL Communications company later succeeded in personally acquiring the publishing rights to Love Me Do, Please Please Me, P.S. I Love You, and "Ask Me Why from EMI. Read The Rest Either way this is yet another cash grab by various parties |
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09 Sep 09 - 02:28 PM (#2720001) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: McGrath of Harlow Does anyone have ears that can actually hear a significant difference, let alone an improvement, between the original version and the re-mastered (ie re-packaged) version? |
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09 Sep 09 - 02:32 PM (#2720005) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Leadfingers £180 for the set ?? No Thanks ! |
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09 Sep 09 - 02:33 PM (#2720006) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,paco rabanne I was sick to death of the bloody Beatles 30years ago. What is it about our music scene that simply wont move on? Every month I go into W H Smith's in Hull and scan the magazine front pages, ie Q, Word, Uncut, Mojo. Guess who is usually on the front cover? Bloody Dylan, Lennon or McCartney. MOVE ON !!!! Mrs Paco O'Griffin |
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09 Sep 09 - 02:38 PM (#2720007) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Cleverthreads (inactive) Simple, The Beatles perfected the closest you'll ever get to the perfect popsong. You're can hear their influence in many of today's pop groups. Often imitated, never bettered. Having said that I will not be forking over £180 for the set. |
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09 Sep 09 - 03:04 PM (#2720023) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,Jonny Sunshine Being cynical, there's also the matter of original releases passing one by one out of the copyright period and into the public domain. Presumably (I am not a copyright expert) the re-mastered editions count as new recordings, with copyright extending another fifty years from their release. That said, apparently there's a mono edition of the whole lot which I've heard truly rocks- most of the stereo releases were done before the art of mixing for stereo was perfected (eg drums and vocals in one speaker, guitars on the other). I always preferred the sound of my Mum & Dad's original (mono) vinyl copy of Revolver to the various stereo mixes of songs that appeared on later compilations. But much as I'd love to have the whole lot, in a handy convenient digital package, I don't think at £199 I'll be rushing out to buy it |
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09 Sep 09 - 03:08 PM (#2720027) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Cleverthreads (inactive) Jonny, the mono recordings of Revolver and Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band are infinately superior to the stereo, the same goes for The Beach Boys Pet Sounds |
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09 Sep 09 - 03:15 PM (#2720033) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: pdq Same with Jazz from the golden age, about 1955-65. The stereo versions of the LPs, when they exist, are usually worth less than the mono and are less sought after by serious listeners. Some people go so far as buying mono-only cartridges and listening on a single speaker. |
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09 Sep 09 - 03:30 PM (#2720040) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Smokey. The Beatles perfected the closest you'll ever get to the perfect popsong. I'd agree with that, but for 'Johnny B. Goode'.. |
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09 Sep 09 - 03:41 PM (#2720050) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Jerry Rasmussen I need my head remastered. I must say, I've thoroughly enjoyed all the specials showing old video clips of the Beatles. I have most of their stuff but haven't listened to it in a long time. It sounds might fine to me, as is. Maybe dogs can tell the difference? |
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09 Sep 09 - 03:41 PM (#2720051) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Cleverthreads (inactive) I'm told bats can tell the difference, Jerry! |
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09 Sep 09 - 03:50 PM (#2720056) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Bonzo3legs I have downloaded countless collections of alternate mixes and "takes" of tracks from Beatles albums which are infinitely more interesting than the official releases - and in many cases they are in superb quality as well. In particular I would recommend the various takes for the Please Please Me album - some of which demonstrate absolutely useless guitar solos. They could have done with one of Lord Sutch's lead guitarists! |
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09 Sep 09 - 03:53 PM (#2720061) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Marc Bernier I'm sorry for the thread drift but are we in the middle of some kind of significant Beatles Anniversary or something? Every corner I walk around for the past month I walk into something Beatles. VH1 on the cable television is play 10 days of nothing but Beatles at the moment. They're all over the godamn radio. And now here on my favorite folk music forum too! I realize they were once more popular than Jesus or something like that, but there seems to be a lot of Beatles stuff going on at the moment. |
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09 Sep 09 - 03:53 PM (#2720062) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Cleverthreads (inactive) Bonzo, you mention Lord Sutch's guitarists, Bernie Watson comes to mind, I think Watson also played with The Cyril Davies All Stars. |
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09 Sep 09 - 05:01 PM (#2720098) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: McGrath of Harlow "I would recommend the various takes for the Please Please Me album - some of which demonstrate absolutely useless guitar solos." I'm afraid the rationale of that senstence eludes me. |
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09 Sep 09 - 05:14 PM (#2720105) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,paco rabanne They were musical pygmies graced with a competent EMI producer and massive press driven hysteria. |
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09 Sep 09 - 05:18 PM (#2720113) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Cleverthreads (inactive) Funnily enough someone at Decca Records made the same mistake, as illustrated by the poster who uses the term musical pygmies. Were you relate to the someone at Decca by chance? |
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09 Sep 09 - 05:20 PM (#2720117) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Paco O'Barmy That was me, Mrs O'Griffin. I had to come in as a guest. The Beatles were truly, truly basic/average/dull/simple. If you think otherwise, you really ought to get out into the world more. |
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09 Sep 09 - 07:24 PM (#2720198) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,Edthefolkie Oh b*gger, I must have been in a monastery for the past 46 years then! What powerful and intelligent critiques we do get on the interweb. |
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09 Sep 09 - 07:38 PM (#2720206) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: McGrath of Harlow A very large monsatery I think. With a lot more people inside it than outside sulking in the cold... |
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09 Sep 09 - 07:47 PM (#2720209) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Bat Goddess There are several early Beatles songs (actual recordings, not covers) on the latest Sears in-store sound track just lately. It's leapt from Sinatra and "I'll Be With You In Apple Blossom Time" and others of that ilk to...the Beatles. It's scary to think how many years they were recorded before the birth of, say, the manager of the Sears Portrait Studio. Linn |
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09 Sep 09 - 07:56 PM (#2720214) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Cleverthreads (inactive) BatGoddess, think about this, Love Me Do (The Beatles first single in the UK 1962)will be 50 years old in 2012 |
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09 Sep 09 - 08:18 PM (#2720231) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: pdq A few years ago I saw this LP on eBay and bought it: "Beatle Crazy" picture disc Never heard of the song before that, but it is cute. Where else could you use the line "pass the DDT". Clifton is still not recognized as a big star, despite his amazingly fine body of work. The song originally came out in 1963, the year Clifton managed the Old Time and Bluegrass portions at the Newport Folk Festival. |
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09 Sep 09 - 09:22 PM (#2720260) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Jerry Rasmussen All the attention is because they're releasing a Guitar Hero game with 50-some of the Beatles hits spanning their whole career. But then, I guess you'd have to be up to date on video games AND have an interst in playing electric guitar... not exavtly cornerstones of the Mudcat community... :-) |
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09 Sep 09 - 09:52 PM (#2720278) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Desert Dancer From someone with a 14-year-old son ("up to date on video games AND" has an interest in playing drums): it's not Guitar Hero, it's Rock Band. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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09 Sep 09 - 10:11 PM (#2720294) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Cleverthreads (inactive) Paul McCartney acknowledged that The Beatles had effectively disbanded in a November 1969 interview conducted by Life magazine All those years ago. |
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10 Sep 09 - 04:07 AM (#2720405) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Will Fly The Beatles were truly, truly basic/average/dull/simple. Whether you agree with this or not (and I don't, as it happens), the point is that pop/rock music doesn't have to be clever, complex, above-average, blah, blah to make its point. There's an indefinable "something" to some pop/rock that makes it special, that makes it speak to people. Some music has it, some doesn't. I recall listening, many years ago as a teenager, to "Juke Box Jury" on BBC TV (remember that, you oldies?). The record played was "Nutrocker" by Bee Bumble & the Stingers. It was fantastic - it absolutely rocked. The dumb Jury's verdict - a "miss". The audience's verdict - a "hit". It had that indefinable "something", and so did the best of the work by the Beatles. Having said that, I shan't be buying any CDs of the Beatles as I have all the music on the original vinyl. |
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10 Sep 09 - 05:32 AM (#2720447) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,buspassed Just sharpening the bamboo stylus, dusting the valves on the Quad 22 outfit, checking the connections to the B&W's DM1's before an afternoon of proving to myself [and the neighbours] that there's always been more in those microgrooves than appeared on those shiny discy thingy's! Forget the remasters listen to the old masters! |
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10 Sep 09 - 07:36 AM (#2720523) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Jerry Rasmussen I sit corrected. My Grandson has Rock Band, an expansion of Guitar Hero to a full band, and my son, and my Grandaughter all play along and have a great time. They live a thousand miles away, so I haven't had the opportunity to join them. |
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10 Sep 09 - 07:37 AM (#2720524) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Marc Bernier Thank you Jerry. So this all has to do with a video game. I have a tough enough time posting to mudcat, I know nothing about playing games on this thing. |
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10 Sep 09 - 08:04 AM (#2720542) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Rasener Why would you want to buy, unless you haven't got any already. Rob dogs springs to mind. |
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10 Sep 09 - 08:52 AM (#2720575) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,Tunesmith I don't think anyone in his/her right mind would refer to The Beatles as dull! |
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10 Sep 09 - 09:28 AM (#2720595) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: bfdk Hehe, it's just GOT to be one heck of a set.. A blind mate of mine is very much into music of various kinds and wanted this set, which sells for about DKK 2.300 here. He talked his usual CD pusher into letting him have the set for DKK 2.000 flat and went to get it just before closing time yesterday. Mate flashed his credit card, CD pusher's wife entered the sum total into the machinery, mate entered his password and the card terminal started emitting wildly screeching noises. Upon inspection it turned out CD pusher's wifie had by mistake entered a grand total of DKK 200.000 instead of the intended 2.000. And the sum HAD been transferred..!! Mate was on the phone with his bank this morning to sort out the details of getting his money back (or rather the bank's, as his account doesn't even hold that sort of money). CD pusher has promised to re-imbourse any accrued interest on the transaction, so he should be ok eventually. Oh yes, it's gotta be some box set, that's for sure :o)) |
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10 Sep 09 - 11:40 AM (#2720706) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Cleverthreads (inactive) The Beatles' remastered box sets The albums are in the order they were originally released in the UK. |
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29 Sep 09 - 07:33 AM (#2733942) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: sian, west wales Just read that Lucy , the girl with kaleidoscope eyes has passed away. In the sky with diamonds. sian |
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09 Oct 09 - 04:49 AM (#2741798) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: rich-joy Hmmmmm …… because I only had a few vinyls survive the last 45 years ( 45? Crikey! ), I lashed out and bought the Mono set (plus the Stereos : Let It Be and my all-time favourite : Abbey Road) I can't say I've been at all disappointed! My partner (he's a Scouser, who emigrated to Oz in '64) and I, are really enjoying the teenage nostalgia trip (didn't like much else about being a teenager – just the music!) We are amazed at the way all the words automatically come back, for almost every song, and, knowing automatically what the next song will be! Wonder how many times we heard all those LPs for that to happen?! ….. and this is despite the busy lives we've led over the last 45 years and the huge amount and variety of music we've heard / enjoyed / performed ourselves, since those days. However, I do find that I am now taking much more notice of the arrangements and instruments and harmonies (instead of sighing over a pic of Ringo, I guess - LOL!) I can also hear songs that sound just like Groups that came later! (as well as earlier influences). …. and I reckon that they use the word "love" in their songs, more than any other artists in history!!!! …. s'funny, Paul was my "least favourite" Beatle at the time (I dunno, too baby-faced or something), but now I can appreciate what a great and versatile voice he had!! Though their overall sound is, of course, recognizable as "The Beatles", there is still a huge variety within that sound, and you cynics, that's not all down to George Martin, either!!! I can't help feeling that it's kinda sad, that so many of today's kids don't have much exposure to music with Melody and Harmony …….. or am I just being ageist?! Cheers, R-J (Down Under) PS I have to admit that I'm rather fond of the recording called "Rubber Folk" where British folk artists have covered Beatles songs from the "Rubber Soul" album – I'd love to hear more of those! |
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09 Oct 09 - 08:18 PM (#2742498) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: rich-joy A footnote to my rave, above : IMHO, another thing that makes their "sound" and legacy great, is that they had 4 singers who could, and did, take leads. (OK, Ringo only had about one song per album, but nevertheless ...) Most groups have only 1 lead singer, maybe 2 ... therein can lie "sameness" and the possibility of becoming boring (especially after you listen to a whole LP/CD!!) With all the groups I have been involved in, we always prided ourselves on having all members who could sing leads (and often, also most harmonies!) : more interesting for both us and the listener! The Beatles easily achieved all that, and, they were all songwriters too. --end of rave-- Cheers, R-J |
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09 Oct 09 - 09:30 PM (#2742544) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Janie An NPR show "Sound Opinions" which focuses mostly on the assorted genres of modern rock music extensively reviewed the remastered collection a couple of weeks ago. The upshot was this. If you already have the music on vinyl or CD and can play it, don't buy it again. If you don't already have the music, and have a really, really good sound system and love the Beatles, buy it. If you don't have a really, really good sound system, you won't notice the difference in sound quality in the remastered releases. In other words, if your plan is to upload them onto your computer to download to your mp3 player, or are going to play them on a mediocre or mini-system, don't bother. It is only on a quite good sound system that the improved sound quality is detectable. |
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19 Dec 10 - 05:14 AM (#3056997) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,The Beatles Were The Greatest Rock Band Ever Sorry but I have to debunk and correct the *Totally Ignorant and Inaccurate* things that paco rabanne and Paco O'Barmy (and anyone else said) about The Beatles. As The All Music Guide says in their excellent Beatles biography "That it's difficult to summarize their career without restating cliches that have already been digested by tens of millions of rock fans, to start with the obvious,they were the greatest and most influential act of the rock era and introduced more innovations into popular music than any other rock band of the 20th century." "Moreover they were among the few artists of *any* discipline that were simultaneously the best at what they did *and* the most popular at what they did." THey also say as singers John Lennon and Paul McCartney were among the best and most expressive in rock. Also on an excellent site,The Evolution of Rock Bass Playing McCartney Style by Dennnis Alstrand,Stanley Clarke,Sting,Will Lee,Billy Sheehan,George Martin and John Lennon are quoted saying what a great,melodic and influential bass player Paul has always been' And Wilco's John Stirratt was asked in Bass Player which bass players have had the most impact on his playing and the first thing he said was, Paul McCartney is one of the greatest bass players of all time,if you listen to what he was tracking live in the studio it's unbelievable." "With his tone and musicality he was a huge influence,he covered all of his harmonic responsibilities really well but his baselines were absolutely melodic and inventive." And in an online 1977 Eric Clapton interview,Eric Clapton In His Own Words he says that there was always this guitar game between John and George,and he said partly because John was a pretty good guitar player himself.He played live with John as a member of John's 1969 Plastic Ono Band. And there is a great online article by musician and song writer Peter Cross,The Beatles Are The Most Creative Band Of All Time and he says that many musicians besides him recognize Paul as one of the best bass guitar players ever.He too says that John and Paul are the greatest song composers and that to say that John and Paul are among 2 of the greatest singers in rock and roll is to state the obvious,and that John,Paul and George were all excellent guitarists and that George is underrated by people not educated about music but that ERic Clapton knew better,he also says that both John and Paul played great leads as well as innovative rhythm tracks. John Lennon co-wrote,sang and played guitar on one of David Bowie's first hits Fame in 1975 and David invited John to play guitar on his version of John's beautiful Beatles song Across The Universe.Brain May,Ozzy Osbourne,and Liam Gallagher and many more call The Beatles The Greatest Band Ever. Also on MusicRadar Tom Petty,Joe Perry and Richie Sambora in What The Beatles Mean To Me all say how cool and great they thought The Beatles were when they first saw them on The Ed Sullivan Show in February 1964 when they were just teen boys,Richie was only 5.Tom Petty said he thought they were really really great. Robin Zander of Cheap Trick said he's probably one of the biggest Beatles fans on the planet.Brad Whitford of Aerosmith said that a lot of that Beatles influence comes from Steven Tyler's collaborartion with Mark Hudson both whom are absolute Beatles freaks and he said I guess the goal is to try and emulate probably some of the best music of the last 50 years which has to be The Beatles. |
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19 Dec 10 - 05:16 AM (#3056999) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,The Beatles Were The Greatest Rock Band Ever Also in an excellent Beatles book Ticket To Ride by Denny Somach where so many other well known popular respected rock musicians and artists are interviewed about The Beatles praising them including Jimmy Page,Brian Wilson who says he's always loved The Beatles. And Brian Wilson called John & Paul the greatest song writers of the 20th century on a 1995 Nightline Beatles tribute show,(which had on music artists from every type of music,a young black jazz musician,a middle aged black opera singer,Steve Winwood,Meatloaf,and classical violnist Isak Perleman,who said he plays his children Bach,Beethoven Mozart and The Beatles)and he played With A Little Help From My Friends on the piano and he said he just loves this song. He also said that Sgt.Pepper is the greatest album he ever heard and The All Music Guide says in their Beach Boys biography,that Brian had a nerveous breakdown after he heard it. Brian also said that when he first heard The Beatles brilliant 1965 folk rock album Rubber Soul he was blown away by it.He said all of the songs flowed together and it was pop music but folk rock at the same time and he couldn't believe they did this so great,this inspired him to make Pet Sounds. John Lodge and Justin of The Moody Blues are interviewed in this book and Bill Wyman and Ron Wood says how The Rolling Stones became good friends with The Beatles in 1963 after John and Paul wrote 1 of their first hits,the Rock n Roll song,I Wanna Be You're Man. Ron Wood was asked what his favorite Beatles songs and he said there are so many apart from the obvious like Strawberry Fields I Want To Hold Your Hand is one he said he used to like a lot ,and he said he really loved We Can Work It Out.He also says that The Beatles used to have a radio show every Friday where they played live and spoke and he would never miss an episode. He said infact whoever has the rights to those shows should dig them up,because they are incredible. Justin Hayward says that the album he always really loved ,and he said it was when they started experimenting with chord structures ,was A Hard Day's Night.He says they began to move away from the standard 3 chord thing and just went into more interesting structures .He said A Hard Day's Night was the album for him and their song If I Fell was the song.He said it started in a different key to how it ended up,and it's a beautifully worked out song and that there are some songs on that album that were very emotinal and evocative. He said that for everybody just starting to write songs as he was,it was a real turn on and eye opener. |
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19 Dec 10 - 05:18 AM (#3057001) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,The Beatles Were The Greatest Rock Band Ever The Beatles revolutionized popular and rock music and were very innovative,prolific and creative,more than any other group. And their great timeless songs are the most covered in music history by everyone from jazz musicians,classical,Motown,rock,pop and even heavy metal recording and playing their great timeless music. Many academic musicologists and music scholars have done serious studies,analyses and praise of their great timeless music,like university of Penn gradutate musicologist Alan W.Pollack who did an extensive 11 year detailed analysis of every Beatles song.He says he hadn't even listened to The Beatles in 20 years until they came out on CD for the first time in 1987.He said The Beatles Recording Sessions by Mark Lewisohn was one of the things that motivated him to do his Beatles study.He demonstrates that even though a lot of their lyrics were simple in most of their really early songs,most of their music wasn't and that a lot of their early songs have as many as 9 chords and interesting and unsual arangements.Paul's great rocker,You Never Give Me You're Money on their excellent amazingly modern sounding rock album,Abbey Road has 21 chords. And university of Michigan music professor and musician Walter Everett who wrote the 2 volume,The Beatles As Musicians:The Quarry Men Through Rubber Soul and The Beatles As Musicians:Revolver Through Anthology.And British musicologist and classical composer and music professor (who is dead now)Willifred Mellers 1973 book,Twilight Of The Gods:The Music Of The Beatles,and he also wrote about Beethoven,Mozart and Bob Dylan. And award winning music professor Dr.Glen Gass who has been teaching a course on what brilliant composers The Beatles were and a rock music course at Indiana University School Of Music since 1982.Dr.Gary Kendal's Beatles course is the most requested at North Western university ,university of California also has one and Oxford university had a recent Beatles course. How many serious music scholars and award winning music professors are teaching and writing serious academic works studying and prasing what "brilliant" composers The Rolling Stones or any other rock bands were? |
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19 Dec 10 - 05:19 AM (#3057003) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,The Beatles Were The Greatest Rock Band Ever Also, classical composer Leonard Bernstein called John and Paul the greatest composers of the 20th century so did Elton John on a 1991 CBS Morning news show,he was asked who he musically admires and he said you can talk about your Rogers and Hammerstein but for the quanity of quality songs that Lennon and McCartney wrote in that short period of time,he said he thinks they were the greatest song writers of the 20th century.Brian Wilson said this too on a 1995 Nightline Beatles tribute show. The Beatles are in the Vocal Hall of Fame and John and Paul have been in the song writing Hall of Fame since 1987,Keith Richards and Mick Jagger have been in it since 1993,but as of now no members of The Who,or Led Zeppelin(who I totally can't stand even a half of a second of) are in The Song Writing Hall Of Fame or The Vocal Hall Of Fame,The Rolling Stones aren't in The Vocal Hall of Fame either and The Beatles were awarded about 20 prestigious Ivor Nevello awards as great singers and song writers in just a remarkable 8 year recording career,John and Paul won the first one in early 1964! They also won an Oscar and a Grammy for their film score of their 1970 film Let It Be. |
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19 Dec 10 - 05:21 AM (#3057004) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,The Beatles Were The Greatest Rock Band Ever Bob Dylan ,Roger McGuinn of The Byrds and music critic William Mann of The London Times as early as 1963 and 1964 pointed out that even in early Beatles songs like She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand had unusual and interesting chords and they arranged them. And as early as late 1963 a music critic Richard Buckle in The London Times called John and Paul the two of the most briliant composers since Beethoven after John and Paul composed the music for a ballet Mods and Rockers. And John and Paul wrote one of The Rolling Stones first hits, I Wanna Be Your Man in late 1963 right in front of them. And Keith Richards and Mick Jagger were impressed and said wow,how can you write a song just like that and it inspired them to start writing their own songs. John Lennon and Paul McCartney were such amazingly talented singer song writers that they were already writing hit songs for other artists as early as 1963 when their own song writing success was getting off the ground,besides The Rolling Stones,they also wrote hit songs in 1963 for Billy J.Krammer and The Dakatos,Celia Black,and Peter and Gordon etc. Paul wrote his first song at age 14 and was playing guitar,John wrote heavy deep poetry but didn't start writing songs until he met Paul and was impressed that he wrote his own songs,and he too started to write his own songs at age 17,and they wrote together and never stopped from then on.Paul wrote the very pretty song I'll Follow The Sun at only 16! |
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19 Dec 10 - 05:26 AM (#3057008) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,The Beatles Were The Greatest Rock Band Ever And I have been a huge highly impressed Beatles fan(specifically a big John and Paul fan) since I was nine years old and I started to collect their albums then,I got my first Beatles book for my 11th birthday and I had every album by age 13. I was born after 1964 too. And I have always loved all of their music,including their great A Hard Day's Night album. I don't even like other music from 1963 or 1964 and I don't like 1950's oldies music. I once said to a guy friend's stepfather(my friend liked Frank Zappa and his brother 10 years older than me had a big music collection and he loved The Beatles too)that John Lennon and Paul McCartney)are rightfully widely regarded by most people,most rock and music critics,and many other well known respected rock musicians and artists as 2 of the greatest song writers of the 20th century and he said I think so too. When I was 11 my music teacher asked us to guess who he was talking about when he said they were genuises and they wrote over 100 songs most of them critically acclaimed and popular in just 8 year recording career,and I guessed totally right when I said,John Lennon and Paul McCartney The Beatles and he smiled and said yes,that's right! When I was in third grade,a teacher in library class played Abbey Road on a little turn table and she said they were genuises. My step cousin who was born in 1958 saw Paul & Wings in 1976 & he said it was a great show & he said The Beatles probably were The Greatest Band Ever & my first cousin who was born in 68 (he & his older brother born in 62 who are both lawyers and his oldest brother born in 60, his,parents & sister who was born in early 64 have always been fans) said when I asked him when he was 23 if he still liked them,he said best band that ever was. He told me that when he was at the British Museum where Lennon & McCartney's song lyrics are in a glass case next to Sahkespeare,Dickens,Wodsworth & Keats everyone was like forget them lets go over to the Lennon & McCartney lyrics. |
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19 Dec 10 - 05:31 AM (#3057014) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,THe Beatles Were The Greatest Rock Band Ever And George Martin himself said in an online interview I found around 2002 said that he has worked with many different music artists but that he has never known or worked with anyone as brilliant as The Beatles! In his biography All You Need Is Ears he refutes that he was the one who had most to do with The Beatles music. He admits most of the ideas came from them. He also said in the great only authorized 1968 Beatles biography by Hunter Daviesn that in their music they were always ahead of everybody else and he also said that in their music they have an instinctive awareness of what to do and he said they were always ahead of everyone else. And if anyone ever reads the excellent book,The Beatles Recording Sessions by Mark Lewisohn which is a very detailed music diary of of every recording session in their amazing only 8 year career, which has interviews with their recording engineers,tape operators,George Martin quotes,and a very good interview with Paul in the beginning,they would see how truly creative,and innovative especially John and Paul were in the recording studio and that most of these great musicial ideas came from them. George Martin was also once inerviewed on a rock station Beatles program and he said what is clearly obvious and true, John Lennon and Paul McCartney were incredibly talented people(and he said it like he still couldn't belive it.), they both were extrodinarily talented song composers and great singers.And notice how Ringo working with George Martin for 8 years didn't turn him into a brilliant song writer like John and Paul,and George Martin has produced many other music artists but non of them have had as much critical acclaim,success or popularity as THe Beatles. |
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19 Dec 10 - 05:34 AM (#3057016) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Will Fly Dear GUEST,The Beatles Were The Greatest Rock Band Ever Your enthusiasm for the Beatles obviously has no bounds and I also recall being knocked out by them in 1963 when I heard their first singles. I too have some of their albums and acknowledge their impact on pop music at the time. However, pop music has always gone in waves. Part of the huge impact of Elvis Presley in the mid-50s was the sheer difference of what he was doing vis-a-vis the popular stuff of the period. When the 1950s-style rock'n roll began to become samey and predictable - whizz! - along came the Beatles with a different take and style. Later on came waves of other music which redefined music for their respective generations - heavy metal, glam rock, punk... Before losing my heart and brain over what was undoubtedly a great pop group, I like to think that many of the great chord sequences were first penned by Bach, that Chuck Berry wrote some of the greatest lyrics in pop history (try the words to "Nadine", for example), and that popular song composers from the 1920s-1940s were writing some beautiful and intricate songs with chord progressions to die for. The Beatles take their rightful place among these - and would acknowledge their debt to many of them. |
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19 Dec 10 - 05:34 AM (#3057017) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,The Beatles Were The Greatest Rock Band Ever The Beatles wrote, played and recorded so many great critically acclaimed, popular songs and albums of all different styles of music and wrote about 50 or more years worth of mostly great music in just an 8 year recording career. When The Beatles were playing live in 63,64,65& 66 they had very limited primitive sound systems at the time,only 100 watt amplifiers,(and George Harrison says in the excellent video series,The Beatles Anthology that special 100 watt amplifiers were made for their August 1965 Shea Stadium concetts,and he said they went up from the only 30 watts before!) no feedback monitors so they couldn't even hear themselves play and sing(yet they amazingly managed to sing and play in sync and in tune with each other anyway!) plus all of the screaming from the crowds. In their January 1969 live rooftop concert they sounded great, the sound systems had improved some by then ,although still pretty primitive compared to today's, and there were no screaming crowds anymore. When I was a teenager I met 3 people who saw The Beatles in concert, 2 saw them in 1966 and 1 saw them in 1964, they all told me they could see and hear them and that they were great. On the site Artist Facts in The Rolling Stones section a guy Steve from Canada said he saw The Beatles in concert in 1966 and The Rolling Stones in 1996(and the sound systems by then were a million tines better!) and he said don't get me wrong,The Stones were great but they were no match for The Beatles and he said The Beatles were The *GREATEST* Band ever! And former Kiss guitarist Bob Kulick who produced the heavy metal tribute Beatles album,Butchering The Beatles, said he saw The Beatles at Shea Stadium in 1966 and he said he only heard them in bits and pieces but he could hear parts of Baby's In Black and Paperback Writer and he said they sounded amazing. He also calls them the *GREATEST* band ever. |
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19 Dec 10 - 05:36 AM (#3057019) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,The Beatles Were The Greatest Rock Band Ever On Last FM. The Rolling Stones only had 80 members of their fan group in 2007, The Beatles had over 2,000 which is now over 12,000 and the average age of fans is 22 more guys than girls and they are from all over the world! THe Beatles debuted pretty well on Itunes,as of November 17,28 of the top 100 tunes were by The Beatles they also had 16 of the top 50 albums 40 and a half years after they broke up! In 2006,2007 and 2008 The Beatles were the # 1 most listened music artists on Last.FM and they are very popular on YouTube and Rate Your Music where many male and female fans in their teens and 20's call them The Greatest Rock Band Ever! The Beatles are still rightfully regarded by most people,most rock critics,and many other music and rock artists as The most creative,innovative,and prolific rock band ever! In 1995 25 years after they broke up their Anthology CD's went straight to # 1 around the world and I heard a rock DJ say that 40% of the people buying them were teenagers,the same exact thing when their 1CD came out in 2000 30 years after they broke,up and in 2009,39 years after they broke up,they were the second biggest selling artists in the last decade,and their 1CD was the biggest selling album! The Beatles wrote *plenty* of great rock songs including hard rock on The White Album and Abbey Road and as many have rightfully pointed out Paul invented heavy metal with his 1968 song Helter Skelter and people have also said John's I Want You She's So Heavy on Abbey road was also one of the first heavy metal songs. Even in their early days they wrote some great rockers that were very rocky for the times, as The All Music Guide said,in their very good review of Past Masters Volume 1 that they proved they could rock really really hard,with John's I Feel Fine from late 1964 which featured the very recorded feedback guitar on a rock song,and Paul's great blues rocker,She's A Woman also from late 1964,and what they called the peerless I'm Down which is Paul's screaming rocker from mid 1965 which they performed even harder rocking, and screaming in August 1965 at Shea Stadium. Also John's You Can't Do That from early 1964,is a great rock song, so is Day Dripper,Paperback Writer, And You're Bird Can Sing,Oh Darling,Hey Bulldog, She Said She Said,Taxman, Revolution,Get Back,Come Together etc! |
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19 Dec 10 - 05:39 AM (#3057023) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,The Beatles Were The Greatest Rock Band Ever NME.COM HOME NME News Bob Dylan talks of Beatles friendship Legend admits: 'I'm in awe of McCartney' May 16, 2007 Bob Dylan has spoken in depth about his longstanding friendship with The Beatles and his particular bond with George Harrison. Talking to Rolling Stone magazine, Dylan talked freely about Harrison's struggle to find his voice within the songwriting collective of John Lennon and Paul McCartney. "George got stuck with being the Beatle that had to fight to get songs on records because of Lennon and McCartney. Well, who wouldn't get stuck?" he asked. Dylan highlighted the writing talents of Harrison, saying: "If George had had his own group and was writing his own songs back then, he'd have been probably just as big as anybody." Speaking against popular belief, the singer also denounced any rumours of competitiveness towards Lennon and McCartney, asserting, "They were fantastic singers. Lennon, to this day, it's hard to find a better singer than Lennon was, or than McCartney was and still is." Nodding his cap to McCartney in particular, Dylan concluded: "I'm in awe of McCartney. He's about the only one that I am in awe of. He can do it all. And he's never let up... He's just so damn effortless. |
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19 Dec 10 - 05:50 AM (#3057025) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST To Will Fly, My enthusiasm is not the real issue.And as I said I wasn't born yet in 1963 or 64. Below is part of a Beatles review by a Epionions reviewer. Home Epinions Music Please Please Me by The Beatles Please Please Me by The Beatles Overall Rating: 20 consumer reviews Lowest Price: $5.90 at Amazon Marketplace Back to All Reviews About the Author The Beatles Debut - Please Please Me Written: Apr 28 '06 (Updated Sep 28 '09) Product Rating: Pros: Good Debut Cons: Only eight original songs The Bottom Line: The Birth of The Beatles, well in the UK anyway. scapp70's Full Review: Please Please Me by The Beatles and now a word from Scapp70 straight from his Beatles Soap Box Are you a Beatles fan? Are you a Beatles nut? Are you insane for The Beatles? No? Yes? Well, I am - I'm not sure if you noticed. One of the duties of being a Beatles fan, which should really be a non-existent duty, is defending The Beatles. The Beatles were and are the greatest band in history, yet oddly not everybody knows that. The people that do not know that The Beatles are the greatest will more likely than not, argue that they aren't. It is the same thing as debating politics with a person who is not informed of the arguments, yet they passionately will tell you how you're wrong. Does that mean that any person who argues that The Beatles are not musical god-men, that they do not have all the albums and therefore do not know the position and the reasons why The Beatles are the greatest? Yes, I say to you - YES! If you as a Beatle fan have to argue that an album like say The White Album or Abbey Road are not five star albums, just sit and be quiet and let them talk. They will soon give hints of their Beatle un-savviness. For example, they may say that Sgt Pepper is a concept album, does any real thinking Beatles fan think that? They may say something as silly as Paul McCartney's bass playing ability is any less than stellar, or even worse...mediocre. Do we have ears? What are we comparing The Beatles to? Phish? U2? '90s College Music? What or who is out there who is better? The Beatles are not kings of the musical hill, they are an island unto themselves. So far no one has been able to come close to what The Beatles have accomplished. The Beatles were not just pioneers with each new release, The Beatles were amazing songwriters, fine musicians, forward thinkers and they are pretty funny too. Any other musician or musical group who would wish to accomplish the magnitude of what The Beatles had done in just six years would need a magical pocket watch that stops time. Six short years includes thirteen albums, four movies, and three world tours, enough singles to fill up two CDs and not to mention they changed the face of pop rock with each new release. When the Beatles broke up, each member had varied success, some more than another. No matter how successful The Beatles were individually in the 70s and 80s, and no matter how great the songs were during these times, it was apparent that the four guys still needed one another in order to change the world every six months as they did in the sixties. So even if the uniformed debater tries to come across as musically intellectual by praising dopey bands from the 90s that no one has ever heard of, just remember theyre still just uninformed. They try to mask their unsavvy musical taste by pointing to pointless music that you had never heard of. and now… the music that changed pop culture Sorry about that above, I have just been reading a lot of negative things about The Beatles in print and online lately. It's just so wild, but I guess when you are as big as The Beatles, there is bound to be some negativity out there. |
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19 Dec 10 - 05:50 AM (#3057026) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Will Fly Hmm... John Cage's 4'33" is beginning to appeal more and more. |
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19 Dec 10 - 06:00 AM (#3057030) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,The Beatles were The Greatest Rock Band Ever Some months back I read an online article that had an interview with Ernie Isley of The Isley Brothers about a recent tribute to Jimi Hendrix,in which he says that Jimi played for The Isley Brothers & lived with them & that they & he were fans of The Fab Four from the moment they all watched them on The Ed Sullivan Show in February 1964. I always thought that Jimi was only a later period Beatles fan,I knew he played Sgt.Pepper live the weekend it came out,& he played Day Tripper live also,& several people on different message boards said that when he was asked where the direction of music was going,he said ask The Beatles. |
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19 Dec 10 - 06:03 AM (#3057031) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,The Beatles Still Are The Greatest Rock Band Not only did The Beatles give The Rolling Stones one of their first hits with their rock n roll song I Wanna Be Your Man,and they wrote it right in front of them and Keith Richards and Mick Jagger were impressed and like wow how can you write a song just like that and it motivated them to start writing their own songs. The Rolling Stones were good friends with and fans of The Beatles. Mick Jagger was at 4 Beatles recording sessions and Keith Richards was at 2 of them with him.Also Mick Jagger was such a big Beatles fan that in May 1967 when The Beatles were redording their song Baby You're A Rich Man he came there and stood on the sidelines to watch and listen to them recording it. His name is also on the tape box and he likely sang at the end verses. The Beatles remastered albums sold much more 40 years after their break up than The Rolling Stones remastered albums and they are still together! The Beatles have the best selling album of the last decade with their CD 1. And Brian Jones played the saxaphone on the strange Beatles song, You Know My Name Look Up The Number and he and Mick Jagger's girlfriend at the time Marriane Faithful contributed sound effects on the song Yellow Submarine. As this guy Sal66 who has also posted on sites debunking ignorant cr*p about The Beatles has rightfully pointed out, The Beatles wrote,played and recorded I Feel Fine (which The All Music Guide says has brilliant,active ,difficult guitar leads and riffs) in the Fall of 1964 which was the first use of feedback guitar on a pop rock record and it also had a prominent guitar riff throughout this very good song almost a year *before* The Rolling Stones's Satisfaction came out. And on John's great Norwegian Wood recorded in the Fall of 1965,George Harrison was the first to play a sitar on a pop rock song and it was released on their great album Rubber Soul in December and then in May 1966 The Rolling Stones song Paint It Black came out with Brian Jones playing a sitar! And in Paul McCartney's authorized biography Many Years From Now, Mick Jagger's former girlfriend singer Marriane Faithful says that she and Mick used to go over to Paul's house a lot and hang out in his music room. She said he never went to see them at their house they always went to visit him because he was Paul McCartney.She also said that Mick was intimidated by Paul but that Paul was totally oblivious to this. Paul also says in this book that he turned Mick on to pot in his music room and he said which is funny because a lot of people would assume it was the other way around. Also Mick Jagger is quoted on a Rolling Stones fan site,timeisonourside.com saying that Keith Richards liked The Beatles because he was quite interested in their chord sequences and he says he also liked their harmonies which he said were always a slight problem for The Rolling Stones.He said Keith always tried to get the harmonies off the ground but they always seemed messy.Mick then says,that what they never really got together were Keith and Brian singing backup vocals and he said it didn't work because Keith was a better singer and to keep going,oooh,ooh,ooh(he laughs) and he said Brian liked all of those oohs which Keith had to put up with.He also said Keith was capable of much stronger vocals than ooh,ooh,ooh. On this same fan site Keith Richards is quoted from 1971 saying that The Beatles were perfect for opening doors,when they went to America they left it wide open for them and he said that The Rolling Stones could never have gone to America without them.He also said that The Beatles are so f*cking good at what they did. |
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19 Dec 10 - 06:07 AM (#3057035) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST As The Rolling Stone Album Guide said,not liking The Beatles is as perverse as not liking the sun. And Ozzy Osbourne said not loving The Beatles is like not loving oxogen. And a guy who runs Keno's Classic Rock n Roll Site and who runs a Rolling Stones and John Lennon fan site says in his review of The Beatles 1967-1970 Red Album damn The Beatles were one great group and he said in his great review of The Beatles 1962-1966 Red album, that if you don't love or at least like The Beatles and their music then you are not a true rock fan and more than likely will never ever get it. He also says that John Lennon showed on Paul's rocker Get Back why he should have played lead guitar more often because he did such a good job of it. He also said he played a pretty good slide guitar on George's For Your Blue and he said John also played one of the first and best acid guitar parts on his great rocker Revolution. |
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19 Dec 10 - 06:11 AM (#3057038) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,The Beatles Were A Brilliant Cool Rock Band! Pete Townsend along with John Bonham, John Paul Jones and David Gilmore played on 2 songs on the last Wings album Back To The Egg that came out in 1979 . They also all played with Paul and Wings in the last Wings concerts in December 1979. Pete also along with Phil Collins who is also a big Beatles fan since he was 13 in the concert scene in the Beatles film A Hard Day's Night, played on Paul's 1986 album Press To Play. And I have found about 100 former Beatles haters on different message boards who are now big Beatles fans,many call them The Greatest Rock Band Ever and most say they now think they were brilliant song writers. I didn't communicate with these people, but they said in their posts that they hadn't even heard most of their songs and albums,and had inaccurate misperceptions of them like the ridiculous one that they ever were a "boy band." Which besides knowing even most of their music and knowing their history knows is totally false. In the Fall of 2008, a musician posted on some message board about the new John Lennon biography, and he said watch The Beatles Anthology video series and learn how truly immensely talented this band was. Most people don't hate The Beatles in the first place and people don't usually go from hating a band to loving them, so it just goes to show how great and timeless their music really is/was! I once found a post a few years ago of a 35 year old musician in Jamaica who said on his blog that when he was younger and a big Who fan he used to think The Beatles were overrated, but that he did a 300 degree turn around and he said he now truly believes that The Beatles were the greatest rock band ever. |
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19 Dec 10 - 06:14 AM (#3057040) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,The Beatles Were A Brilliant Cool Rock Band! George Harrison at only age 14 would stay up playing his guitar until he got all of the chords exactly right and his fingers were bleeding! And One of The Beatles engineers Geoff Emerick says that in early 1966 when The Beatles were recording John's song I'm Only Sleeping, George Harrison played backwards guitar the most difficult way possible even though he could have taken an easy way,and it took him 6 hours just to do the guitar overdubs! He then made it doubly difficult by adding even more distorted gitars and Geoff says this was all George's idea and that he did all of the playing! The 1992 Rolling Stone Album Guide calls Paul a remarkable bass player and rightfully calls John & Paul the 2 greatest song writers in rock history! Both Phil Collins and Max Weinberg both Beatles fans and both praise Ringo's drumming and Phil Collins says that Ringo's great drumming on A Day In The Life can't be repeated even by him! Also on Rankopedia The Beatles are # 1 Greatest Rock Band,# 1 Greatest Most Innovative Rock Band,John &Paul are # 1 Greatest Rock Song Writers, John & Paul are on The Greatest Rock Male Vocalist list, and Paul McCartney is # 2 after John Enwistle as Greatest Rock Bass Players, John Paul Jones is # 6, and Bill Wynman is # 20! And on Digitaldreamdoor where many musicians post,The Beatles are # 1 Greatest Rock Artists,John &Paul are # 1 Greatest Rock Song Writers, they are both on The Greatest Rock Male Vocalists list, and Paul McCartney is # 8 out of 100 Greatest Rock Bass Players, John Paul Jones is # 21, and Bill Wynman is # 95! George Harrison is # 30 On The Greatest Rock Guitarists out of over 100. Also check out Keno's Classic Rock n Roll Site he also runs a Rolling Stones &John Lennon fan site. And he made a Top 10 List and voted and the fans voted. He voted John &Paul # 2 after Bob Dylan as Greatest Rock Song Writers, the fans voted them # 1! He voted Paul McCartney # 2 after John Entwistle as Greatest Rock Bass Player, the fans voted Paul # 3. He voted John Lennon # 2 after Keith Richards as Greatest Rock Rhythm Guitarist, and the fans voted John in a tie with Jimi Hendrix and Brian Jones at # 4 .He voted John Lennon # 1 in a tie with Elvis as Greatest Male Rock Vocalist and the fans voted John # 1, he voted Paul # 6 and the fans voted him # 7. And he and Denny Laine are the only musicians on Paul's great 1973 Band On The Run album, which is critically acclaimed and popular, and he played every instrument by himself again on McCartney 2 in 1979, and most of the instruments on his 1997 Flaming Pie album, and his 2 recent acclaimed popular albums, Chaos And Creation In The Backyard, and Memory Almost Full. And John Paul Jones, David Gilmore, John Bonham & Pete Townsend all played on 2 songs with Paul and Wings on the last Wings album Back To The Egg, in 1979, and they played in the last Wings concert too in December 1979. As The All Music Guide says in their excellent Beatles biography "That it's difficult to summarize their career without restating cliches that have already been digested by tens of millions of rock fans, to start with the obvious,they were the greatest and most influential act of the rock era and introduced more innovations into popular music than any other rock band of the 20th century." "Moreover they were among the few artists of *any* discipline that were simultaneously the best at what they did *and* the most popular at what they did." THey also say as singers John Lennon and Paul McCartney were among the best and most expressive in rock. Also on an excellent site,The Evolution of Rock Bass Playing McCartney Style by Dennnis Alstrand,Stanley Clarke,Sting,Will Lee,Billy Sheehan,George Martin and John Lennon are quoted saying what a great,melodic and influential bass player Paul has always been' And Wilco's John Stirratt was asked in Bass Player which bass players have had the most impact on his playing and the first thing he said was, Paul McCartney is one of the greatest bass players of all time,if you listen to what he was tracking live in the studio it's unbelievable." "With his tone and musicality he was a huge influence,he covered all of his harmonic responsibilities really well but his baselines were absolutely melodic and inventive." And in an online 1977 Eric Clapton interview,Eric Clapton In His Own Words he says that there was always this guitar game between John and George,and he said partly because John was a pretty good guitar player himself.He played live with John as a member of John's 1969 Plastic Ono Band. And there is a great online article by musician and song writer Peter Cross,The Beatles Are The Most Creative Band Of All Time and he says that many musicians besides him recognize Paul as one of the best bass guitar players ever.He too says that John and Paul are the greatest song composers and that to say that John and Paul are among 2 of the greatest singers in rock and roll is to state the obvious,and that John,Paul and George were all excellent guitarists and that George is underrated by people not educated about music but that Eric Clapton knew better,he also says that both John and Paul played great leads as well as innovative rhythm tracks. John Lennon co-wrote,sang and played guitar on one of David Bowie's first hits Fame in 1975 and David invited John to play guitar on his version of John's beautiful Beatles song Across The Universe.Brain May,Ozzy Osbourne,and Liam Gallagher and many more call The Beatles The Greatest Band Ever. Many people have said Bob Dylan has never been that good of a guitarist. |
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19 Dec 10 - 06:23 AM (#3057042) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,The Beatles Were A Brilliant Cool Rock Band! And I have never liked Bob Dylan although I don't strongly dislike him,and I have never liked classical music,but I would *never* think or say that Bach,Beethoven,Mozart,and Bob Dylan were musical pygmies,truly,truly,dull,average and simple! I would be making a total ignorant fool of myself! Anyone who says these ignorant things about Bob Dylan,The Beatles,Bach,Beethoven and Mozart are intellectual and musical pygmies! |
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19 Dec 10 - 06:26 AM (#3057044) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,John,Paul,& George's Early Solo Music Was Ve John,Paul,and George's early solo is actually very good and some of it great.I already gave good support for how very good Paul's early to mid 70's solo/Wings music was.And John Lennon's first true solo album,John Lennon Plastic Ono Band is brilliant,he had just finished Primal Scream Therapy with psychologist DR.Arthur Janov where he deal with the traumas he had in his childhood and teens that he repressed for over 20 years,and he made a brilliant album out of his pain and anger! His Imagine album is also very good,and both of these albums have gotten critical acclaim,I love his 1974 Walls and Bridges album too,and his song Number 9 Dream is really beautiful,it's one of his best solo songs,with his typical beautiful voice and great singing,beautiful music and beautiful melodies and harmonies.Post 1975,he retired and devoted himself as a caring hpouse husband to raise his second son Sean for 5 years,and then his songs on his last albums Double Fantasy and then the Milk and Honey album realsed after his tragic insane,incomprehensible murder,were also very good,especially Watching The Wheels,Beautiful Boy written for his little boy Sean,I'm Losing You is a great slow rocker,Starting Over is good,Woman is really pretty,and Nobody Told Me is a great modern sounding rocker too. George Harrison's album All Things Must Pass has long been highly acclaimed also. |
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19 Dec 10 - 06:28 AM (#3057045) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,The Beatles Still Are The Greatest Rock Band A radio host who was a former DJ once said that The Beatles are one of the only if not only bands that almost all of their songs were great including the album tracks that weren't released as singles. On a message board discussion some years ago about what bands and artists people consider overrated,quite a few said The Rolling Stones and some said The Beatles or both,and a guy said if you ask almost anybody in the music business they will tell you that The Beatles were the Greatest Band Ever! I once spoke to a rock DJ about The Beatles and even though he said they aren't his favorite,he said nobody can say that The Beatles weren't great,he said especially John Lennon and Paul McCartney as song writers. And I once spoke to another rock DJ who is a huge Beatles fan & who has hosted a 2 hour Breakfast With The Beatles radio show for over 20 years & I said that The Beatles work in the recording studio described in details in The Beatles Reording Sessions by Mark Lewisohn,is so impressive & brilliant & he said oh it's the work of genuises. I said how can anyone not recognize what extraordinary singer song composers John Lennon & Paul McCartney were? And he said oh you can ask anyone in the music business & they will tell you that. |
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19 Dec 10 - 06:30 AM (#3057049) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,The Beatles Are Still The Greatest Rock Band The Beatles 1963 first album,Please Please Me Recorded amazingly in only one day,and had quite a few John Lennon and Paul McCartney orginals including the great early Paul rocker,I Saw Her Standing There.And John's incredible great rock vocal on Twist and Shout recorded in just one take when he had a bad sore throat from a cold. When you really consider the context of the times,no rock,pop rock,rock n roll bands were writing their own songs,(and John & Paul were already amazingly writing hits for other artists by 1963 just when their own song writing success was getting off the ground,they wrote hits for Peter and Gordon,Billy J.Kramer and The Dakotas and even gave The Rolling Stones one of their first hits,later in the year,with the rock n roll song,I Wanna Be Your Man)and playing all of their own instruments very good,and singing very good and the music stars at the time were,Bobby Vinton,The Four Seasons,Bobby Darin,etc yuck! The Beatles early songs including She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand were quite ahead of their time then,(and even though their early lyrics were simple,a lot of their music was not as I already pointed out even music critics of the London Times etc noticed and pointed out their unusual,interesting chords and how they arranged them.And even though these songs sound somewhat dated like 1963,they are still good songs now.Amazingly most of their music even a lot of their songs from 1964 don't sound dated,(except for the limited recording technology they had back then and only 2 track,4 track and 8 track recording at the end of their remarkable career)they just sound like great timeless music that doesn't sound like it came from any particular time period.Even on the great early 1964 A Hard Day's Night album,John 's great rocker You Can't Do That,Paul's great rocker Can't Buy Me Love don't really sound that much from 1964, Paul's beautiful acoustic songs,And I Love Her and Things We Said Today and John's gorgeous acoustic guitar song,I'll Be Back wirh beautiful guitar chords,beautifully arranged and played,their typical beautiful meodies and harmonies,John's typical beautiful voice and their beautiful acoustic guitar playing,sound like they could have come out right now. And the last great album they recorded,the incredibly great,brilliant amazingly modern sounding rock album,Abbey Road sounds like it just came out this second,except it's much better than anything that came out from anybody else now!Only the brilliant Beatles could have made such a great modern sounding rock album in the height of the hippie movement in 1969,that sounds like it's brand new! |
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19 Dec 10 - 06:32 AM (#3057051) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,John Lennon & Paul McCartney Were Brilliant! And the remarkable thing was that John and Paul *did* compose creative,brilliant,rocking,and beautiful music *without* being able to read music. I don't think Beethoven,and Mozart knew how to read music either. John inherited his intelligence and music talent from his intelligent and musically talented mother Julia who sang and played the banjo pretty well at a time when it was unusual for women to do that and she taught John how to play and encouraged him to be a musician and bought him his first guitar.John's paternal grandfather was also a singer in a band. Paul McCartney's father James McCartney was naturally musically talented and a self taught classical jazz pianist(from the time he was a teenager) and the leader of his own band,Jim Mac's band and they were popular in clubs in the 1920's.He also wrote an instrumental song,Walking In The Park With Eloise that Paul and Wings recorded in 1974 and they included on their 1976 Wings At The Speed Of Sound album.His father wasn't a poet,he was *musically* talented and Paul inherited his father's natural musical talent to the genuis extreme! Paul can and did write many very good songs with very good lyrics,but he often didn't write great lyrics, but he doesn't have to,because even when he did,it was his *music* that was what was so great about his songs.He's like the Beethoven or Mozart of rock. |
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19 Dec 10 - 06:35 AM (#3057055) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,The Beatles Are Still The Greatest Rock Band Also, The Beatles not only wrote so many great timeless rock songs,but so many beautiful acoustic ballads,even as early as on their great early 1964 A Hard Day's Night album,John's beautiful If I Fell, I'll Be Back and Paul's beautiful And I Love Her and Things We Said Today. Paul McCartney says in his authorized biography Many Years From Now, that 12 years after his beloved mother Mary who was a nurse and a midwife died when Paul was only 14 and his brother only 12 from breast cancer within a month of being diagnosed,he had a realistic vivid dream where he saw his mother alive again and she told him to just accept things as they are. Some people including Paul himself say he subconciously wrote Yesterday 3 years before he wrote Let It Be also about his mother's death.Especialy when he sings the words,why she had to go I don't know she wouldn't say, and how he sings I said something wrong and he longs for yesterday when she was still living and all of his troubles seemed so far away,and he's not half the man he used to be, and wants to find a place to hide away,and how there is a shadow hanging over him and yesterday came suddenly. Like Let It Be it's a sad song especially for an extremely talented,great looking, very successful 22 year old rock artist to write. He said when he woke up from this dream(where he saw his dead mother Mary )he thought how wonderful it was to see her again,and that's what he wrote the beautiful song Let It Be About,it's his dead mother Mary who comes to him in his times of trouble in his hours of darknes speaking words of wisdom Let Be. John Lennon's beautiful song Julia on The Beatles great rock album,The White album is about his mother Julia who gave him away at 5 to be raised by her older sister,and just when John was getting close to her she was killed in a hit and run car accident by a drunk off duty cop while she crossed the street in front of the house John lived in,he was at her boyfriend's house waiting for her. Also John Lennon wrote the lyrics to the great song A Day In The Life while he was reading the coroner's report in the news paper of Tara Brown's death who was a Guiness heir and a good friend of theirs(Paul met him first in a London club and he was closest to him,and he introcuded him to John,George, and Mick Jagger,Keith Richards and Brian Jones met him through them and became friends with him too) who was killed at the age of 21 in his sports car crash in December 1966,his girlfriend was in the car and had minor injuries.He would have inherited 1 million $ if he had lived to be 21. |
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20 Dec 10 - 07:07 AM (#3057707) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,Patsy 'GUEST,The Beatles Are Still The Greatest Rock Band' your posts have been most enjoyable to read for the background on those days and of the 'rival' bands who were very much in the headlines and in our heads at that time. It was a great time I loved the whole thing from them starting off as the so called 'mop tops' when I was a little girl to their transformation later, the Beatle journey is as fascinating as the music. I always think of it as a caterpillar gradually changing in to a multi coloured butterfly. There will never be such an impact to lives more so than the Beatles / or the Stones. Bob Dylan's song writing I've liked and it has a place, as a performer his voice isn't the best but is still distinct. When his songs are covered by someone else it's great. To add to that guys in bands like that back then really looked like they had lived a bit which was also very much an appeal to young women. Yes genius. |
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21 Dec 10 - 02:23 AM (#3058295) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: Joe Offer Please note that we require all posters to use a consistent name in the "from" box when posting at Mudcat. Also, if you wish to post information, post only one copy of the information you post - don't go posting the same thing in multiple threads. Our Beatles fan went a bit overboard in posting today. -Joe Offer, Forum Moderator- |
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21 Dec 10 - 03:08 AM (#3058312) Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered From: GUEST,Patsy Hi Joe yes a little OTT but I enjoyed the post's enthusiasm which cheered up a cold a bleak place here, the heating has gone kaput. Merry Christmas!! |