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BS: The evolution of white people

12 Sep 09 - 10:43 AM (#2722277)
Subject: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Donuel

First of all the author of this article is white. So white that albinos feel tan in comparison. Not quite as white as the young man who portrayed 'Powder', but white enough so that the light gold eyebrows and facial hair are invisible, providing no contrast at a distance. The perfect opposite would be the darkest almost blue black African with black hair.

The Evolution of White Peoples.

The homonids known as the modern humans began their journey north a number of different times. There was no mass migration but a great number of small independent journies that most often ended in death. For those who survived there was an overwhelming tendency toward an isolated in-breeding that magnified certain maladies while allowing for the fittest to breed a new generation.

The number of generations was over a million for some and as little as a quarter million generations for other tribes. The wide range of these isolated people who immigrated north span a range of time from half a million years to as little as 70,000 years. Basicly there was not one dispersal of people who vetured north but countless journies that became slightly more successful with experience and more refined communication.

The colder climate presented all the obvious deadly challenges of maintaining body heat but the level of diminishing sunshine is the key factor in the loss of pigmentation. Vitiman D production is central to bone formation and requires bright sunshine for vitamin D production. For those with less pigmentation their descendents became more successful in bone production with less light. Still the skeletal structure of these white tribes is markedly less robust than that of their African ancestors.

The European terrain provided more isolated pockets of certain in bred tribes while beyond the Caucasion Mountains the Asiatic plains allowed for more homogeny. The Neaderthalesque tribes could survive more extreme cold while other European tribes did not.
What was lost over hundreds of thousands of years compared to the first Africans who began the trip north was pigmentation.

What was gained was a tradition of warfare between the many isolated, in bred and very different appearing humans from Neanderthal, Cro Magnon and a wide rage of other pockets of tribes that had clung to survival through millenia of cold climates with low light conditions due to eruptions, impacts and massive fires.

Through the multiple generations of fighting it out and breeding it out between different tribes of light skinned people, the resulting white people had learned and inherited a deep seated tendency toward killing based on appearences that were different than the tribe while continuing. The more succesful agrarian societies became, in breeding became less of a genetic problem.

The practice of war is universal among humans but the light skinned races due to terrain and climate may have had a percent or two more practice of hostilities between people who had obvious physical differences. The early wars of the Huns, Monguls, Chinese, Persioans and Indians are legendary. Yet they are a moe homogeneous gene pool to begin with.

While all races developed partly through xenophobic exclusionism and warfare, the white race has a small fraction more experience in these traits. The seeds of destruction for these slightly more racist white tribes is in the acquired stupidity of self agrandizment compared to the thirsty acqusition of new ways of doing things with new materials through the developments made by different races and cultures.

In modern times there are still pockets of these throw backs of the original violent, racist and stupid white tribes. One such pocket is South Carolina. They have a tendency to start wars they can not win, attack people who will eventually vanquish them and yell things like "YOU LIE" at the most intellegent of the human species.

Anthropoligists and archeologists alike need to turn their attention to such pockets of white tribes while they are still in existence.
With policies like not caring for their people with pre existing illness or not educating those with pre existing ignorance, they will not survive much longer. Yet they are a curious window into the past that offers insight into the in bred violent cave dwellers of ice age Europe.

12 Sep 09 - 11:00 AM (#2722285)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Little Hawk

A joke, I presume?

It seems like an excuse for launching a diatribe against the most extreme examples of the Right Wing in the USA...and possibly for expiating some inherent sense of nagging guilt some people may carry about being "White" themselves (pink, that is...).

12 Sep 09 - 11:03 AM (#2722287)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: CarolC

I'm spotted. Will only the white part of me die off and the tanned part live on?

12 Sep 09 - 11:04 AM (#2722288)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Bee-dubya-ell

"Inbred" is one word. So is "proofreading".

Why should I lend any credence to the opinions of someone who can't use a dictionary?

12 Sep 09 - 11:13 AM (#2722299)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Little Hawk

Carol - Let's hope not! (smile)

12 Sep 09 - 11:18 AM (#2722302)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: CarolC

Funny thing is that I used to be white with brownish spots when I was younger. Now I'm brownish (in the parts that are exposed to the sun) with white spots. Although some of my white areas are now starting to develop their own brownish spots again. It's very strange.

12 Sep 09 - 11:35 AM (#2722315)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Little Hawk

Yes, I think your criticism of the "prejudiced snob" type is quite appropriate, SEWCL. After all, it's a hell of a lot more important WHAT a person is saying and what they mean by it than whether it has perfect spelling and grammar.

One can be erudite, highly educated, and gifted with a brilliant mastery of both rhetoric and vocabulary...and STILL be wrong! ;-)

12 Sep 09 - 11:44 AM (#2722323)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Bobert

Hey, I've been to South Carlina and this ain't too far off the mark... But then again, white people ain't all that enlightened thru out the South in general... Very emotional, however... They couldn't care less about health care reform one way or another... Whatever "coach" says goes... If "coach" changes his mind tomorrow and is for health care reform then the monkeys will jump all over it... Poitics to Southerners, especially those in South Carolina, is nuthing but another sports event...

BTW, I'm sure that anthropologists would find a direct correlation between people eat to death with sports and those willing to go shoot other people... It's an emotional thang, ya'll...

B~

12 Sep 09 - 11:49 AM (#2722326)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Donuel

First of all the author of this article is white. So white that albinos feel tan in comparison. Not quite as white as the young man who portrayed 'Powder', but white enough so that the light gold eyebrows and facial hair are invisible, providing no contrast at a distance. The perfect opposite would be the darkest almost blue black African with black hair.

The Evolution of White Peoples.

The hominids known as the modern humans began their journey north a number of different times. There was no mass migration but a great number of small independent journeys that most often ended in death. For those who survived there was an overwhelming tendency toward an isolated in-breeding that magnified certain maladies while allowing for the fittest to breed a new generation.

The number of generations was over a million for some and as little as a quarter million generations for other tribes. The wide range of these isolated people who immigrated north span a range of time from half a million years to as little as 70,000 years. Basically there was not one central dispersal of people who ventured north, but countless journeys that became slightly more successful with experience and more refined communication.

The colder climate presented all the obvious deadly challenges of maintaining body heat but the level of diminishing sunshine is the key factor in the loss of pigmentation. Vitamin D production is central to bone formation and requires bright sunshine for vitamin D production. For those with less pigmentation their descendents became more successful in bone production with less light. Still the skeletal structure of these white tribes is markedly less robust than that of their African ancestors.

The European terrain provided more isolated pockets of certain in bred tribes while beyond the Caucasian Mountains the Asiatic plains allowed for more homogeny. The Neaderthalesque tribes could survive more extreme cold while other European tribes did not. What was most visibly lost over hundreds of thousands of years compared to the first Africans who began the trip north was pigmentation. This loss of pigmentation also applies to the eyes and iris colors. Blue allowed more light into the eye. The evolution of vision differences has allowed white races to see a wider light spectrum, often into the ultra violet with an over all less vibrantly perceived intensity of colors as seen by darker races.

The differences in art portrays the difference in vision. Art by darker races uses the vibrant colors which to them virtually vibrant with intensity. White race art portrays pictures as they sense color

What was gained was a tradition of warfare between the many isolated, in bred and very different appearing humans from Neanderthal, Cro Magnon and a wide rage of other pockets of tribes that had clung to survival through millennia of cold climates with low light conditions due to eruptions, impacts and massive fires.

Through the multiple generations of fighting it out and breeding it out between different tribes of light skinned people, the resulting white people had learned and inherited a deep seated tendency toward killing based on appearances that were different than the tribe while continuing to breed with domestic animals and people alike.. The more successful agrarian societies became, in breeding became less of a genetic problem.

The practice of war is universal among humans but the light skinned races due to terrain and climate may have had a percent or two more practice of hostilities between people who had obvious physical differences. The early wars of the Huns, Mongols, Chinese, Persians and Indians are legendary. Yet they are a more homogeneous gene pool to begin with.

While all races developed partly through xenophobic exclusionism and warfare, the white race has a small fraction more experience in these traits. The seeds of destruction for these slightly more racist white tribes, is in the acquired stupidity of self aggrandizement compared to the thirsty acquisition of new ways of doing things with new materials through the developments made by different races and cultures as evident in the Chinese and Japanese culture.

In modern times there are still pockets of these throw backs of the original violent, racist and stupid white tribes. One such pocket is South Carolina. They have a tendency to start civil wars they can not win, publicly attack people unlike themselves, and yell things like "YOU LIE" at the most intelligent of the human species.

Anthropologists and archeologists alike need to turn their attention to such pockets of white tribes while they are still in existence.
With policies like not caring for their people with pre existing illness or not educating those with pre existing ignorance, they will not survive much longer. Yet they are a curious window into the past that offers insight into the in bred violent cave dwellers of ice age Europe.

In the United States concentrations of these white tribes are so obvious they are distinguished by the color Red when referring to such isolated pockets. The ironic quality of these people is that they often feel and speak most vehemently of the things they do not possess such as Family Values, Godliness, Real Americanism and Patriotism.
Statistics show this group has the highest divorce rate, The virtues of Godliness are least presented in this racial group in the sense they believe and practice more modes of hate toward very specific groups than those who believe there is no God who actually commit more pious acts than the highly fundamentally religious. Finally the patriotism they claim as their own is really a blind obedience to artificial human beings called Corporations who in turn offer no obedience or reverence for the country in which they reside.

Curiously some of these white tribes seem to know about their ongoing extinction. Currently they are building museum dioramas of themselves and dinosaurs.
They call these museums, Creationism Museums. Once again we hear the typical opposite word used even in the description of their extinction monuments. Their language betrays who they are as opposed to other more advance white races. For example if you ask a primitive white "who is the President of the United States?" they will be incapable of smiling.

While this race is dangerous to themselves and others it falls upon all of us to preserve what we can and protect the world from the worst. Even Zoos recognize this need.
This is why some progressive scientists suggest that the Glen Beck Museum of Absurd History could teach school children in the future what happens to people who abandon reason, higher education and rely only upon their bassist instincts.

So as we say goodbye to these people in their sunset days who worshipped obfuscation, obstructionism, racism, opposite language, fundamentalism and in breeding …let us all wave and smile at these people who once played a part in the human genome on Earth. While many of these primitive people may never know the meaning of the word egalitarian or social morality there are many other people who may share their appearance but have evolved into human beings like the rest of multi racial multi tasking modern humanity.

Hymnal music fades as we fade to black.

12 Sep 09 - 12:09 PM (#2722347)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Donuel

This was written in the spirit of Prof Irwin Cory and to be delivered by Kevin Nealon, who could carry it off with his mastery of subliminal speech, all the while pretending to use his blackberry.

as usual my wife thinks it is extremely not funny.
I think shes been to too many symposiums.

Certainly Glen Beck would consider this proof of all his fears.

12 Sep 09 - 02:22 PM (#2722436)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Mrrzy

Oh, are we evolved? I must have missed something!

12 Sep 09 - 02:51 PM (#2722449)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Don Firth

Evolved? Well, not so anyone would notice.

Lemme see, now. . . .

I'd say I'm more beige than white, really. What some people might call "cosmic latté."

Scottish on my father's side, Swedish on my mother's side, I don't tan worth a hoot and I sunburn fairly easily. I have the same hair style as Captain Jean-Luc Picard. Some folks mistake this for baldness. Not so! It's a solar panel for a sex machine.

Don Firth

12 Sep 09 - 02:57 PM (#2722452)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: robomatic

so thanks for introducing a piece of crap onto the internet which apparently exists no where else.

this thread is thought pollution pure and simple. it has nothing to offer but confusion and lack of thought

Another hakman original

12 Sep 09 - 05:15 PM (#2722530)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Donuel

Why that is the kindest thing you have ever said to me.

Why the change of heart?

12 Sep 09 - 06:26 PM (#2722573)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Jack Campin

Donuel forgot to mention that a short penis is an evolutionary adaptation so you can pull out faster if you need to fight.

12 Sep 09 - 06:31 PM (#2722578)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Little Hawk

Oh, is that what it's for?

Hmm.

Ya learn somethin' new every day, by gosh. ;-) I hadn't realized before how advantageous it was.

12 Sep 09 - 09:45 PM (#2722653)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Donuel

Damn Jack, thats gotta go in the final rewrite

13 Sep 09 - 05:30 AM (#2722752)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Little Hawk

Definitely! (snarf!)

A shorter whanger is also less likely to get cut off or injured during combat with edged weapons. This explains why the British managed to conquer so much of the known world.

13 Sep 09 - 05:57 AM (#2722772)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: akenaton

I wouldn't know anything about that!

13 Sep 09 - 07:48 AM (#2722798)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: GUEST,Shimrod

Ah! 'Science' is so much easier when you can just ignore all that tiresome 'evidence' business and make it up as you go along. Give your imagination free rein and all will be well ... apart from creating and perpetuating 'racial' stereotypes and myths, that is ...

13 Sep 09 - 08:00 AM (#2722800)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Bobert

BTW...What's the opposite of evolution??? Devolution??? Hmmmm??? "Devol"??? Hmmmmm???

13 Sep 09 - 09:39 AM (#2722826)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Little Hawk

Devolution it is! And that's how the band "Devo" got their name.

13 Sep 09 - 10:05 AM (#2722835)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Riginslinger

"Ah! 'Science' is so much easier when you can just ignore all that tiresome 'evidence' business and make it up as you go along."

Yes, that's the way the religious devotees do it!

13 Sep 09 - 10:19 AM (#2722840)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Little Hawk

You have led such a sheltered life, Rig... ;-)

13 Sep 09 - 03:06 PM (#2722866)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Ed T

Odd speculation here:

http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TA1HFDGR9UPS7QMLF

14 Sep 09 - 05:30 AM (#2723215)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Liz the Squeak

I think it entirely depends on your interpretation of 'evolved'.

I know many people of all colours who have barely evolved past the arse-sniffing, nose-picking, sibling-shagger stage of many of the lesser apes. And only one of them is in the BNP.

LTS

08 Jan 10 - 08:35 AM (#2806529)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Mr Happy

With the current extreme cold snap in many parts of the northern hemisphere, if through climate change, global warming??, or other variables, the freezeup conditions persist, I wonder what fresh geographical adaptations may develop among the predominantly caucasian groups?

Guesses?

08 Jan 10 - 11:21 AM (#2806653)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Bobert

They'll get the Repubs in Congress to introduce a bill outlawing extreme cold...

08 Jan 10 - 12:49 PM (#2806718)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: akenaton

I'd like some more information on Carol's "white bits"(with brown spots)....:0)

08 Jan 10 - 12:53 PM (#2806722)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: wysiwyg

:~(

Bad thread.

~S~

08 Jan 10 - 12:59 PM (#2806729)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Amos

Slap it on itslittle thready wrist, then, and send it off the front page without a dish of domesticated wisdom...

A

08 Jan 10 - 01:36 PM (#2806773)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Donuel

Whew is it coooold, and wow is it teeeeny.

08 Jan 10 - 02:39 PM (#2806829)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Gurney

There should be an addendum.

Meanwhile, the peaceloving, homogeneous, non-tribal, inventive, socially-responsible, caring descendants of the peoples who remained in the cradle of mankind continue to live useful and healthy lives.
Everyone is invited to join them.

08 Jan 10 - 03:07 PM (#2806856)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Q (Frank Staplin)

For the one or two who might want to know a bit about the evolution of human skin coloration, read: The Evolution of Human Skin Coloration, by Jablonski and Chaplin, California Acad. Sciences.

Evolution of Coloration

08 Jan 10 - 03:55 PM (#2806911)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Richard Bridge

Is that consistent with the knowledge (or assumption) that "human" life spread out from the Nile valley?

09 Jan 10 - 02:15 PM (#2807621)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Mrrzy

I feel the way Gandhi did about western civilization - that it would be a good idea.

09 Jan 10 - 04:55 PM (#2807774)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Donuel

As mentioned right off the bat, the reason that white people are light is to absorb as much sunshine as possible to synthesize vitamin D.

THe other side of this coin is that dark people are EXTREMELY deficient in vitamin D at northern latitudes. NIH studies suggest that much of the reason for nearly double the heart problems among dark people is due to insufficient vitamin D.

I have witnessed black children in my area with rickets. This is inexcusable in a civilized nation.

We can make as much as 24,000 international units of Vitamin D from a coule hours of sunshine. The suggested daily requirment of 400 int. units of vitamin D per day is arguably wrong. Unlike vitamin A it is nearly impossible to get too much D.

10 Jan 10 - 01:16 PM (#2808389)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Q (Frank Staplin)

From Mayo Clinic:

"Vitamin D toxicity, also called hypervitaminosis D, is a potentially serious but treatable medical condition that occurs when you get too much vitamin D."
"....usually results from taking an excessive amount of vitamin D supplements."
Causes a buildup of calcium in your blood. Symptoms include nausea, vomiting, constipation, weakness, confusion, heart rhythm abnormalities, kidney stones.
American Academy of Pediatrics recommend children and adolescents get 400 IU daily, adults 1000-2000IU. "Supplements can be a reasonable way to meet recommended levels- as long as you pay attention to how much you take. And be sure to tell your doctor about any supplements you take.

In Canada with long dark winters and frequent cloud cover, taking vitamin D supplements is recommended.

NIH-
Factors involved in vitamin D from sunlight include season, a person's distance from the equator, skin color and clothing.

Although studies show adequate levels of vitamin D possibly lower levels of prostate cancer, and some types of cancer, exposure to too much sun causes skin cancers, according to dermatologists.
"The safest way is to take supplements" according to Dr. Sue Ingles, Univ. Southern California.

10 Jan 10 - 01:59 PM (#2808432)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: artbrooks

From an article in the Jan 2007 Hospitalist:

"Rickets

The incidence of rickets is increasing, especially in black and Hispanic children and particularly in the north.11,12 Epidemiologists trace the rise to an increase in breast-feeding (good for immunity, but breast milk lacks substantial vitamin D), overuse of sunscreen or lack of exposure to sunlight, and changes in physician recommendations for vitamin supplementation. The effects of rickets alone can be profound, but other long-term consequences of vitamin D deficiency may include type I diabetes, cancer (especially of the prostate), and osteoporosis.12

In the past few decades, physicians have been less likely to recommend vitamin D supplementation for babies, and an interesting study by Davenport and colleagues correlates the year of medical school completion to that decline as well as substantial variability as to the age at which supplement use is begun.12 (See Figures 4a and 4b, left.)

"Most of the cases I have run into have been in [recent] African immigrants, where the mothers stay covered and they are vitamin D deficient," says Dr. Holmes. "It's wonderful that they culturally breast-feed, but they come to the U.S., and they're pretty afraid to go outside in a new society."

Sounds to me like some of our new immigrants need some better education on health needs in a cold and cloudy climate.

10 Jan 10 - 02:43 PM (#2808454)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Bert

...and they're pretty afraid to go outside in a new society."...

Sounds to me like we need to make them feel more welcome.

10 Jan 10 - 08:37 PM (#2808706)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Richard Bridge

Are Donuel's assertions about bone density statistically correct?

11 Jan 10 - 03:06 PM (#2809318)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Q (Frank Staplin)

Donuel is essentially correct.
By my doctor's advice, I take vitamin D with calcium supplement since research shows that it is needed for good bone formation and bone maintenance.
I also take Fosamax (prescription, a biphosphonate) for the same purpose. The reason is osteoporosis.
My bone density has increased, but how much is due to Fosamax and to calcium plus D, I can't estimate.

11 Jan 10 - 04:06 PM (#2809380)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Jack the Sailor

I find the title of this thread to be offensive. It implies that light skin color is the most important trait. It implies that all people with light skin are the same.

Also
Calling South Carolina a "pocket(s) of these throw backs of the original violent, racist and stupid white tribes." Is silly. I've spent a lot of time in South Carolina. It is brimming with good people of all races.

Also
If you have some third party proof or evidence that "white" people are more inherently racist than anyone else then please provide it. These accusations seem racist to me.

The wife is right. It is not funny. A major way to make it funny would be to change the title. Another way would be to focus the attacks, sarcasm and accusations of racism on those who deserve it.

11 Jan 10 - 05:37 PM (#2809469)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Q (Frank Staplin)

This thread evolved into a discussion of some of the medical problems involved in race, of which there are plenty. An interesting subject.

From what I have read, all races are racist in one way or another.

11 Jan 10 - 05:53 PM (#2809485)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Rasener

Carol
Are your curlies, brown, white or grey. You are confusing me. I can't imagine that you have white with brown spots.

Vitamins taken by tablet give you cancer and other problems. desist.

Surely ovulation is the same no matter what colour.

11 Jan 10 - 07:07 PM (#2809543)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Richard Bridge

That, Q, was not what I was querying. Did not Donuel assert that "black" races had higher bone densities and that bone densities were decreased amongst "white" races?

11 Jan 10 - 08:05 PM (#2809580)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Q (Frank Staplin)

The short answer is bone densities are higher for black than for whites.

See: Racial Differences in Bone Density between Young Adult Black and White Subjects Persist after Adjustment for Anthropometric, Lifestyle, and Biochemical Differences
Bruce Ettinger et al., Jour Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol. 82, No. 2, pp. 429-434, 1997.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/82/2/429

One conclusion is that "The lower lifetime risk of hip fracture among black persons (*ref.) results at least partly because American black women (*refs.) and men (*refs.) achieve 5%-15% greater peak bone mass than white persons."
*cited references

Graphs of the differences shown here:
Bones in Different Races.

http://depts.washington.edu/bonebio/bonAbout/race.html

This article states that "Asian persions tend to have bone density that is as low or even lower than Caucasians. Hispanic people have bone density that is about the same or a little bit higher than Caucasians."

11 Jan 10 - 11:53 PM (#2809696)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: mousethief

It's true about white people evolving. I met some of my ancestors back when I was younger, and I think I really do represent a higher state of life. Then again maybe it was just because they were drunk -- I never saw them sober. Then again....

12 Jan 10 - 12:03 AM (#2809702)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: GUEST,hg

Hey, everyone, it's mousethief!!!! How the heck are ya?

12 Jan 10 - 12:54 AM (#2809715)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: mousethief

Happy to be here! And flattered to be remembered!

O..O
=o=

12 Jan 10 - 03:33 AM (#2809764)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Richard Bridge

Thank you Q.

12 Jan 10 - 06:27 AM (#2809848)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Mr Happy

When I revived this thread, my intention was to focus on the evolution of people's future adaptation [not neccessarily only white] in consequence of climate change.

Unfortunately, the original thread title does suggest some racist [racial?] issues also.

I'm therefore wondering if I ought to either start a new thread or ask mods to modify the title of this one.

What think you?

12 Jan 10 - 07:29 AM (#2809872)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Mr Happy

For example, what's the reason for the evolutionary adaptation/ development of freckles?

These are common in white caucasians, I guess they probably also occur in people with skin of various hues, but perhaps less noticeable.

Anyone know?

12 Jan 10 - 08:51 AM (#2809921)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Keith A of Hertford

Freckles are most commonly associated with red hair.
I expect that their is something in red hair genes that give rise to them as a genetic accident.
They would persist if they do not confer a disadvantage.
The skin in between has less than normal melain making it more vulnerable to sunburn and cancer, but not a problem in northern Europe.

12 Jan 10 - 09:09 AM (#2809936)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Nigel Parsons

And, of course, if we are descended from apes then evolution has decided we do not need body hair. Those of us with 'Male Pattern Baldness' must be at the higher reaches of the evolutionary tree!

Cheers
Nigel (tongue firmly in cheek!)

12 Jan 10 - 03:08 PM (#2810267)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: GUEST,Q as guest

The personnel of American professional football teams echos the bone density (and muscle differences) of black (and brown) and white players. The game takes a physical toll on players (mental too, if current studies of brain trauma are borne out).

There are many little differences, particular in medical treatments, that are the result of evolutionary genetic variations. We had a thread or two before on this subject.

12 Jan 10 - 07:16 PM (#2810465)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Rustic Rebel

Redheads are aliens, goddess and gods, first people, carrot tops (Which I often thought was green), going extinct, but a genetic accident!!! I protest. Maybe a genetic mutant-the "ginger gene". Ah.

A mutation in the gene that gives redheads their unique hair color and signature fair skin leads researchers to believe that redheads are more sensitive to pain. The gene, called the melanocortin-1 receptor, produces melanin in those with blonde, brown and black hair, but it produces pheomelanin in redheads after it has been mutated, according to The New York Times. The study explains that the mutated MC1R leads to an increased sensitivity to pain because the MC1R gene is part of a family of receptors that include pain receptors in the brain. Though the MC1R mutation can also occur in brunettes, it's much less common.

Melanin, the skin pigment that darkens with sun exposure to provide either a tan or freckles. People with red hair have a chemically different type of melanin than people with dark hair. Redheads' melanin is more vulnerable to a type of DNA-damaging stress from the sun's ultraviolet rays.

The scientists found this out by taking melanin-producing melanosomes from red and black human hair and testing them with a high-tech laser. They found that melanosomes from black hair were only affected by high-energy ultraviolet-B (UV-B) light, but melanosomes from red hair were affected by ultraviolet A (UV-A) and UV-B radiation suggesting that exposure to everyday UV-A and UV-B levels might disturb red hair pigments and lead to higher rates of skin cancer. UV-B rays are associated with sunburn and UV-A rays can actually penetrate and damage skin even without a burn. Specifically, pigments from the carrot-top crowd were more likely to create free radicals that harm DNA and possibly cause cancer, the new research showed. The finding was presented in August at the 230th national meeting of the American Chemical Society.

So, with that and the fact that I am a mutant, alien goddess with red-hair and my spiecies are losing ground on this planet, I leave you with this....

Ode To Redheads
By Tom Robbins

How are we to explain the power these daughters of ancient Henna have over us bemused sons of Eros?

Red hair is a woman's game.

The harsh truth is, most red-haired men look like blonds who've spoiled from lack of refrigeration. They look like brown-haired men who've been composted. Yet that same pigmentation that on a man can resemble leaf mold or junk yard rust, a woman wears like a tiara of rubies.

Not only are female redheads frequently lovely but theirs is a loveliness that suggests both lust and danger, pleasure and violence, and is, therefore, to the male of the species virtually irresistible. Red O red were the tresses of the original femme fatale.
Of course, much of the "fatale" associated with redheads is illusory, a stereotypical projection on the part of sexually neurotic men. Plenty of redheads are as demure as rosebuds and as sweet as strawberry pie. However, the mere fact that they are perceived to be stormy, if not malicious, grants them a certain license and a certain power. It's as if bitchiness is their birthright. By virtue of their coloration, they possess an innate permit to be terrible and lascivious, which, even if never exercised, sets them apart from the remainder of womankind, who have traditionally been expected to be mild and pure.

Now that women are demolishing those old misogynistic expectations, will redheads lose their special magic, will Pippi Longstocking come to be regarded as just one of the girls? Hardly. To believe that blondes and brunettes are simply redheads in repressive drag is to believe that UFOs are kiddie balloons. All redheads, you see, are mutants.

Whether they spring from genes disarranged by earthly forces or are "planted" here by overlords from outer space is a matter for scholarly debate. It's enough for us to recognize that redheads are abnormal beings, bioelectrically connected to realms of strange power, rage, risk and ecstasy.

What is your mission among us, you daughters of ancient Henna, you agents of the harvest moon? Are those star maps that your freckles replicate? How do you explain the fact that you live longer than the average human? Where did you get such sensitive skin? And why are your curls the same shade as heartbreak?

Alas, inquiry is futile: Either they don't know or they won't say -- and who has the nerve to pressure a redhead? We may never learn their origin or meaning, but it probably doesn't matter. We will go on leaping out of our frying pans into their fire, grateful for the opportunity to be titillated by their vengeful fury, real or imagined, and to occasionally test our erotic mettle in the legendary inferno of their passion.

Redheaded women! Those blood oranges! Those cherry bombs! Those celestial shrews and queens of copper! May they never cease to stain our white-bread lives with super-natural catsup.

Peace.
Rustic

12 Jan 10 - 07:25 PM (#2810472)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Jack the Sailor

I know plenty of "white people who are good athletes and plenty of Black people who are not.

From Wiki

Defining race
Further information: Race (classification of human beings)
[edit] Non-concordance

The most widely used human racial categories are based on various combinations of visible traits such as skin color, eye shape and hair texture. However, many of these traits are non-concordant in that they are not necessarily expressed together. For example skin color and hair texture vary independently.[2] This caused problems to early anthropologists who were attempting to classify race based on visible traits. Some examples of non-concordance include:

    * There are many people in Africa and all over the world affected by albinism who have very light skin.
    * Skin color varies all over the world in different populations. People from the Indian subcontinent are classified as Caucasian although most have dark skin.
    * Epicanthal fold are typically associated with East Asian populations but are found in populations all over the world, including many Native Americans, the Khoisan, the Saami, and even amongst some isolated groups such as the Andamanese.
    * Lighter hair colors are typically associated with Europeans, especially Northern Europeans, but blond hair is found amongst a limited, small number of the dark skinned populations of the south pacific, particularly the Solomon Islands and Vanuatu.

[edit] Genetic distance

The 0.1% genetic difference that differentiates any two random humans is still the subject of much debate. The discovery that only 8% of this difference separates the major races led some scientists to proclaim that race is biologically meaningless. They argue that since genetic distance increases in a continuous manner any threshold or definitions would be arbitrary. Any two neighboring villages or towns will show some genetic differentiation from each other and thus could be defined as a race. Thus any attempt to classify races would be imposing an artificial discontinuity on what is otherwise a naturally occurring continuous phenomenon.

However, other scientists disagree by claiming that the assertion that race is biologically meaningless is politically motivated and that genetic differences are significant. Neil Risch states that numerous studies over past decades have documented biological differences among the races with regard to susceptibility and natural history of a chronic disease. Effectively Neil Risch is attempting to redefine "race" for human populations to represent that small proportion of variation that is known to vary between continental populations. It is well established, that the level of differentiation between the continental human groups, as measured by the statistic FST is about 0.06-0.1 (6-10%), with about 5-10% of variation at the population level (that is between different populations occupying the same continent) and about 75-85% of variation within populations.(Risch et al., 2002; Templeton, 1998; Ossorio and Duster, 2005; Lewontin, 2005). Tempeton (1998) states that in biology a level of 0.25-0.3 (20-30%) of differentiation normally accepted in biological literature for a population to be considered a race or subspecies.

    "A standard criterion for a subspecies or race in the nonhuman literature under the traditional definition of a subspecies as a geographically circumbscribed, sharply differentiated population is to have FST values of at least 0.25 to 0.3 (Smith et al. 1997). Hence as judged by the criterion in the nonhuman literature, the human FST value is too small to have taxonomic significance under the traditional subspecies definition."(Templeton, 1998)

Indeed Neil Risch himself avoids defining race, when asked to respond to the comment "Genome variation research does not support the existence of human races." he replied

    What is your definition of races? If you define it a certain way, maybe that's a valid statement. There is obviously still disagreement....Scientists always disagree! A lot of the problem is terminology. I'm not even sure what race means, people use it in many different ways. He continues, "but that doesn't preclude you from using it or the fact that it has utility". (Gitschier, 2005)

13 Jan 10 - 10:31 AM (#2810932)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Dave the Gnome

How did us Gnomes eveolve then?

:D (eG)

13 Jan 10 - 10:40 AM (#2810937)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Mr Happy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnome

13 Jan 10 - 10:52 AM (#2810948)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: MMario

The latest theories are that gnomes are a remnant population of one of the "cousin" branches of the hominid lines; which due to their superior abilities have managed to co-exist with HOmo sapiens while avoiding detection.

14 Jan 10 - 07:03 AM (#2811650)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: The Fooles Troupe

http://adbonline.anu.edu.au/biogs/A100444b.htm

Vitamin An poisoning of Mawson's expedition in the Antarctic - both A & D are fat soluble, are they not? Water soluble ones get excreted rapidly....

14 Jan 10 - 02:26 PM (#2811937)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Q (Frank Staplin)

The article mentions the toxicity of dogs' liver, which is excessively rich in vitamin A. "...may have hastened Mertz's death ..."
An educated guess?

The ill-fated Franklin Expedition to the Arctic suffered from lead poisoning from the solder used in the canned (tinned) food they ate. Autopsies on the frozen corpses of crewmen, preserved in their permanently frozen graves, suggested their deaths were due to this rather than starvation or cold.

I could cite the scientific articles and books that posit this conclusion, but I thought this school paper does a good job of summarizing the data.
Franklin

14 Jan 10 - 08:13 PM (#2812203)
Subject: RE: BS: The evolution of white people
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T

""And, of course, if we are descended from apes then evolution has decided we do not need body hair.""

My old science teacher would have become apoplectic, if I had made that comment.

I can just hear him now.

"Sloppy thinking BOY!

Humans did not descend from apes. They are our cousins, on a different branch, descended from a common ancestor. Write that out five hundred times, and submit it to me by Friday lunchtime".

I never quite had the nerve to ask him if the common ancestor wasn't perhaps an ape.

Don T.