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BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner

04 Oct 09 - 12:46 PM (#2738014)
Subject: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Spleen Cringe

When I moved into my house two and a half years ago I noticed a weird, very strong, very acrid smell in the corner of the back living room, next to the door to the cellar. I took up the rank old carpet and the even ranker old lino underneath it. I got on my hands and knees and scrubbed the area - using, variously, raw bleach and a potentially lethal cocktail of noxious cleaning products at least three times. I even soaked it in bleach. I've since had the floor sanded and varnished. I've checked in the crawl space under the room and there don't appear to be any dead bodies... even now though, when I go into that corner, the smell is still there! I think the previous owners must have had a cat litter tray there or possibly a commode...

The smell is hard to describe. It seems like a combination of very stale piss, strong honey and possibly a hint of mould, though the area does not feel or look damp.

Does anyone have any ideas? Has anyone else got this smell?


04 Oct 09 - 12:50 PM (#2738017)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: artbrooks

Can't directly assist, although I would like to mention that, as I opened this thread, it was directly above "Where is Micca"...


04 Oct 09 - 12:54 PM (#2738019)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Rasener

LOL artbrooks

I was going to suggest dead bodies :-)


04 Oct 09 - 12:57 PM (#2738021)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: GUEST, topsie

Have you checked the cellar?


04 Oct 09 - 01:02 PM (#2738023)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: SINSULL

The only suggestion I can make is Nature's Miracle. But you would have to remove the varnish to let it soak in.There are companies that specialize in this sort of cleaning. Very frustrating.


04 Oct 09 - 01:09 PM (#2738031)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: CarolC

We bought a used sofa that had really bad dog smell in the cushions (we didn't find out until after we got it home). We used a product that uses enzymes to get rid of odors. It worked very well, and the sofa hasn't smelled bad to any noticeable degree since we used it. Here's a google search on that kind of product...

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=odor+enzyme&aq=f&aqi=g1g-m4&oq=&fp=7d15299a959dbb33


04 Oct 09 - 01:12 PM (#2738033)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Alice

Have you considered it might be inside the wall? Maybe dead mouse plus mold or something?


04 Oct 09 - 01:20 PM (#2738036)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: robomatic

I don't think you can get rid of the smell without finding the source of the smell. If it's in the wood and you treat the wood, that's it. If it is behind something, and festering, you gotta get to it. The question is, what's it worth to you? Going to pry up stuff or not? In the meantime, see if you've got a nearby CSI with some sniff experts.

Good luck, keep us posted.


04 Oct 09 - 01:37 PM (#2738044)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: gnu

Dead mouse or similar? No... that smell won't last too awful long... unless it's a dead moose which tends to linger longer.

The smell you describe makes me IMMEDIATELY think it's cat pee.

"I've since had the floor sanded and varnished." Soooo, is it hardwood flooring? I hope it is because replacement of the offending odrourous flooring will be much easier.... if it is cat piss, the only thing other than removal of the flooring that would work is a match.


04 Oct 09 - 01:44 PM (#2738048)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Lizzie Cornish 1

If it's cats, then use Biological washing powder on it.

If it's a dead body...move.


04 Oct 09 - 01:49 PM (#2738053)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: gnu

Liz... ya can't get cat piss out of wood flooring. It's a done deal.


04 Oct 09 - 01:58 PM (#2738057)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Lizzie Cornish 1

Yes ya can.

Tabitha Twitchit pissed all over my floor for 17 years...UGH! She started every morning telling me to "F Off, miaow!" too...it's where I picked up my bad language.. :0)

Soak the wood in the washing powder, then sniff...deeply...after a few hours...

Apparently, it breaks down the enzymes...

Don't ask me about them, whatever you do, 'cos I don't do the scientifact bit.


04 Oct 09 - 02:05 PM (#2738061)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: GUEST, topsie

Sniffing breaks down the enzymes? . . . Weird!


04 Oct 09 - 02:09 PM (#2738067)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Mrrzy

Lady cat pee isn't the problem, it's males that really stink.

Does anyone else smell the smell? You may be just so used to it that it's there for you whether you want it to be or not. If they do, then yes, I'd look in the walls for something.

But if you know a sniffer dog, that's the best. I don't think you can rent them...


04 Oct 09 - 02:10 PM (#2738068)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Ed T

Maybe hit iz da stench hof da honey bee busted in da mix hof moldy aminal piss.


04 Oct 09 - 02:19 PM (#2738074)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Sorcha

Maybe they had a male ferret? They are MUCH worse than any cat.


04 Oct 09 - 02:27 PM (#2738084)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Rapparee

I'd also recheck the crawl space, poking around with a stick. Could be that the cat used the crawl space for its "personal needs" -- or had friends that did so. Poke the stick into the soil and sniff the end. Do this in several places in a logical pattern.

If it's a dead body it's up to the police to get it out.


04 Oct 09 - 02:33 PM (#2738092)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Ebbie

I too was wondering about a ferret, Sorcha. A house that I moved into had a ferret problem. Luckily the previous family hadn't lived there long but even then I scrubbed and scraped and moaned about.

I wouldn't have known that it was a ferret smell if I hadn't found some photos left behind.


04 Oct 09 - 02:37 PM (#2738101)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: gnu

Any "close to the ground" animal, such as those in the weasel family have a musk odour that is persistent.


04 Oct 09 - 02:47 PM (#2738108)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Lizzie Cornish 1

"Sniffing breaks down the enzymes? . . . Weird!"

:0) LOL

Hey, now that's a good idea! If all else fails, stand on your head, pour biological washing powder down your nose, sniff deeply and..........voila!

Do this to all your friends and guests too, and everyone will think you live in a house of flowers...


04 Oct 09 - 03:00 PM (#2738120)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Rasener

Well if they were going to do that, they might as well sniff cocaine :-) much more fun


04 Oct 09 - 03:07 PM (#2738126)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Lizzie Cornish 1

Rots the nose, though, Vil....

Ouch!


04 Oct 09 - 03:35 PM (#2738153)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Rasener

Still doesn't seem to affect appearing on Eastenders :-)


04 Oct 09 - 05:06 PM (#2738244)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: bubblyrat

Sounds to me like a FarterGeist.These are quite malignant,and can prove difficult to deal with.You probably need the services of a FarterGeist MeisterHeister....there are several operating out of Frankfart,I believe.Hope this helps.
                Rudi


04 Oct 09 - 07:28 PM (#2738394)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: GUEST,leeneia

If it's still there after two years, and strong cleaners on the floor have made no difference, then I'm with Alice. I suspect it's in the wall. Dead rat.

However, cat urine can be found in the dark using an ultraviolet light. We bought one when our beloved cat developed kidney trouble and...


04 Oct 09 - 07:44 PM (#2738400)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Alice

black light for finding pet urine stains

click here


04 Oct 09 - 09:33 PM (#2738476)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Smokey.

Hang a dead goat in the opposite corner.


04 Oct 09 - 09:36 PM (#2738478)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Peace

. . . but leave it hanging in the sun for at least a week. As the meat pulls away from the bones, THEN put in in the opposite corner.


04 Oct 09 - 09:38 PM (#2738481)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: SINSULL

Inhaling eau de skunk here in Maine. Fortunately, none of my charges were involved. But Seamus is just about standing on his head hoping to get outside. He loves the smell of skunk.


04 Oct 09 - 09:41 PM (#2738484)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Peace

Ah, yes . . .


04 Oct 09 - 09:43 PM (#2738488)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Peace

Spleen Cringe: you haven't said whether you like it or not.


04 Oct 09 - 09:49 PM (#2738493)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Jeri

It might be in the walls or in the sub-floor. Maybe somebody doused the place in ammonia trying to get rid of an animal pee smell.

Of course, ammonia is one thing I've heard of people using to get rid of bees, and if it smells like ammonia AND honey, maybe that's what it is.


04 Oct 09 - 10:03 PM (#2738499)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Smokey.

Perhaps an exorcist could help. Is there a whiff of sulphur?


04 Oct 09 - 10:17 PM (#2738507)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: maeve

Peace- Good one.


04 Oct 09 - 10:31 PM (#2738517)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Alice

Does it make you cringe?


04 Oct 09 - 10:42 PM (#2738523)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Alice

Found this googling bad odors and honey:

honey will rot as it ages. Spoiled
honey smells bad and the odor will eventually find
it's way into living areas. And if the bad smell
doesn't prompt a thorough cleanup, the damage
of it as it leaks through wall and ceilings most
certainly will. Aging honey combs will decompose
and as they break down, the rancid honey will
ooze through walls. Dark spots on walls and ceilings
are a sure sign of rotting honey and most nests
hold enough honey to cause this type of damage
following bee removal.


04 Oct 09 - 10:53 PM (#2738527)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Art Thieme

Our goldfish had a bladder infection and the stench was very much as you describe it. COULD THAT BE IT??

Art


04 Oct 09 - 11:11 PM (#2738534)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Smokey.

Used to have a drummer that smelt like that..


04 Oct 09 - 11:20 PM (#2738536)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Peace

Did he have a grunion on his bass foot?


05 Oct 09 - 01:07 AM (#2738567)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Smokey.

No, it was false.


05 Oct 09 - 09:02 AM (#2738767)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Spleen Cringe

"Does it make you cringe?"

From time to time, yes ;-)

Thanks for all the helpful and the downright silly responses. I used to be a bass player so maybe it's me making the smell...

As it's an old Victorian terrace (row house, I think, to US 'Catters) and the smell is from near the adjoining wall with my neighbour and it isn't a cavity wall, I don't think anything can be trapped (also he doesn't get the smell in his corner).

Thanks to Mudcat I'm going to:

- Get into the crawl space with a flashlight and a small trowel;
- Look into enzymes - whether it be scary looking cleansing products       or washing powder;
- Hope like mad I don't have to take Gnu's advice and rip the floorboards up!

I don't think any bees were involved - the honey smell is almost certainly non-bee in origin.

Thanks again for all your suggestions!


05 Oct 09 - 10:02 AM (#2738813)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Mrrzy

Let us know what - or whom - you find!


05 Oct 09 - 10:37 AM (#2738829)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: frogprince

An even older human ancester???


05 Oct 09 - 05:15 PM (#2739152)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Rasener

Have a look at this thread Spleen cringe

http://www.beesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231980


05 Oct 09 - 05:19 PM (#2739153)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Spleen Cringe

How strange! But if you don't mind me asking, The Villan, do you spend a lot of time on beekeeping forums? ;-)


06 Oct 09 - 04:12 AM (#2739390)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Rasener

No, I just googled, took a couple of minutes to find that one.

I was so intrigued about your issues, I just wanted to see if anybody else had reported similar situations.


06 Oct 09 - 05:35 AM (#2739413)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Spleen Cringe

How disappointing! I had fondly imagined you pottering to the bottom of the garden looking like this... or hosting Faldingworth Live looking like this! Respect to the man in the scary folk beard, by the way!


06 Oct 09 - 06:41 AM (#2739435)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Rasener

OMG I think I would have had a heart attack, if that happened to me LOL

I don't think the faldingers would be too pleased either if I turned up like that :-)


06 Oct 09 - 10:01 AM (#2739545)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: frogprince

Weird Smell in Corner? Is that a song, or a group? Either way, sorry, never heard of it.



Oh...this is was a B.S. thread...



never mind...


06 Oct 09 - 02:40 PM (#2739794)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: SINSULL

Do we feel a parody coming on to Mussels In The Corner?


06 Oct 09 - 11:26 PM (#2740152)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Bert

Scrub with ammonia.

Dry it off with a blow torch and scorch the surface just a little.


06 Oct 09 - 11:30 PM (#2740153)
Subject: RE: BS: Help! Weird Smell in Corner
From: Peace

Notify the fire department first.