11 Oct 09 - 04:57 AM (#2743335) Subject: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: GUEST,Tunesmith I'm surprised at the lack of feedback for the latest series. Has the concept run out of steam? One mistake I think they have made is showing the viewer what happens behind the camera. It's a bit like the idea of "the suspension of disbelief". We all know that there are camera men, mixing desks, make-up artists etc but we realy don't want to see them as it interfers with the illusion of a friendly, casual session. |
11 Oct 09 - 05:05 AM (#2743337) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: John MacKenzie I find the low lighting bloody annoying. Apart from that I am enjoying it, a programme like this is bound to be a bit facile, as the 30 minute time slot, doesn't allow any real depth. JM |
11 Oct 09 - 05:32 AM (#2743344) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: Hamish I think this current series has been first class. I am in total awe of the lot of them. Funnily enough, I'd been thinking how good the camera-work has been, too. As close to perfection as I can imagine, the whole series. -- Hamish |
11 Oct 09 - 06:08 AM (#2743349) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: GUEST I've found it very disappointing, but still some gems among the dross. Ms Wainright - I hadn't heard her until this programme, but not impressed. Just another American female singer with that irritating "little schoolgirl on helium" voice.(like Iris Dement)Not my cup of tea. |
11 Oct 09 - 06:12 AM (#2743350) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: Will Fly Compared with Transatlantic Sessions 3, I'm finding it a little bland in places - but I must confess to preferring tunes, on the whole, to songs. Having said that, Dan Tyminski is a joy. I've enjoyed the fiddle tunes immensely - the "Fiddle Blast" medley and the pipe tune from #1 was hugely enjoyable, and "Lee Highway Blues" from Stuart Duncan in the recent programme transmitted was mind-blowing. The clapperboard bit just before "Lee Highway Blues" said "No. 28, Take 1". I think this was a subtle pointer to the fact that such a fast and complex number was delivered on the first take... |
11 Oct 09 - 06:23 AM (#2743354) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: Rog Peek I've enjoyed the series immensley and am also in awe of the musicians. My first experience of Martha Wainright, not my cup of tea. Dan Tyminski has been excellent. Keep the sessions coming I say, a breath of fresh air among all the dross on TV these days. Rog |
11 Oct 09 - 07:23 AM (#2743378) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: Marje I'm finding the content of this series a bit disappointing, at least in the songs. I enjoy most of the tunes, but the songs tend to be a bit slushy, pop-oriented and over-orchestrated for my taste. And the overall flavour is more US than UK. That said, I'm still glad to have a series like this on TV, and was very glad I had the TS to soothe me after the harrowing finish of the "Criminal Justice" drama. Marje |
11 Oct 09 - 07:31 AM (#2743381) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: John MacKenzie Glad I'm not the only one to find Martha Wainright out of place. I know the American definition of folk is wider than ours here, but I regard what she's done so far as unfolky, veering towards pop. JM |
11 Oct 09 - 07:48 AM (#2743389) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: oombanjo moe please and longer AND where is the old time banjo? cheers oombanjo |
11 Oct 09 - 08:04 AM (#2743397) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: scouse Does anyone know how much input Aly and Jerry had during the set up of the Trans? I somehow don't think that Aly's a to big a fan of Martha. I sometimes think that once they have the nucleus of the band they're maybe told by the Beeb, Beeb, Ceeb, this is who we could afford!! Now get on with it!!Could be wrong. Mind you it's still great. As Aye, Phil. |
11 Oct 09 - 08:50 AM (#2743413) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: GUEST,BanjoRay These are the best aoustic music programs ever on British TV - far superior to anything Jools Holland or others have ever done. As Oombanjo said - make 'em longer,and make more series'. Don't quibble about folkiness, American vs British etc = take your hats off to them and enjoy great quality. Ray |
11 Oct 09 - 09:32 AM (#2743435) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: Stu I'm enjoying it although was infuriated when the voiceover pops on to advertise Jonathan Ross or who ever; the last set in Thursday's was ruined just as reached transcendence! |
11 Oct 09 - 09:37 AM (#2743437) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: Santa I'd like to see more songs, to break up the boring repetitive nature of the tunes! Joshing aside, these are delightful little programmes, if a bit repetitious. The only sad thing about the concept is that it stands out so much, with so little else shown. That's not the fault of the programmes. |
11 Oct 09 - 12:10 PM (#2743504) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: Nick The musicianship (in players AND singers) is superb or do people have a problem with that? So much is what you personally like and don't rather than the quality of the whole. I enjoyed Martha Wainwright MORE than I thought I might. Last time I watched her on the TV I thought she was much better at swearing than singing and this series revised that view (it could be my memory and she might not have sworn in a song but it's what I remember). Quality voice. In two previous series Iris Dement has been on. Personally, I find her voice hugely annoying - horrible weak whiney voice to my ears - but I know lots of people love her voice and style. But she can sing. I prefer Emmylou Harris as a backing singer rather than as a soloist (heresy!) but can appreciate that she is highly skilled. Russ Baremberg does nothing flash but is wonderful. Michael McGoldrick is startling. I personally think Jerry Douglas is wonderful (I had never heard about him before series 2 because I didn't listen to that sort of music), astoundingly tasteful and always adds rather than detracts from music but I know people who don't share that view. Karen Mathieson always makes me smile. Jenna Reid is mighty fine. I'm not sure I like Julie Fowlis' change of haircut since the last series but it hasn't affected the pleasure I have from her singing. Without the makeup, under the lighting I think Aly Bain might be ageing slightly but he can still play beautifully. I downloaded the friday episode but have only flicked through it so far but there is a tune set with Mike McG on flute whizzing along at a huge pace which I know I will return to many times in the future and smile. I could go on but won't. As a body of stuff the four series have presented an excellent range of music and surely it's good to enjoy what is there rather than bemoan what isn't? I will be launching a game soon called Fantasy Transatlantic Sessions where we can see how good the moaners are. :) Like in many of these things why don't you ask the participants? Many of them are both relatively contactable and approachable and would give a more balanced view of the reality than the equivalent of the football couch potatoes that seem to be grumbling here. It stuns me the lack of ego and mutual respect that is shown and the joy they have in what they do. It could be worse - compare what someone like Gary Moore used to do when he invited some of his supposed blues idols to play with him where he seemed to be trying very hard to blow them off the stage with volume and pyrotechnics; but that is a different story. |
11 Oct 09 - 12:23 PM (#2743515) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: GUEST,Tunesmith The point that I was making is that folkies seem to have become blase about the series - and I wondered why. I must confess that I am one of those people who hated Martha Wainwright's contribution of a week or so back. For me, it just seemed so out of place with the rest of the performances. Out of place in a bad way. |
11 Oct 09 - 12:38 PM (#2743527) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: Hamish Fair do's: I nearly mentioned Martha Wainwright as being the only bit that made it close to perfection as against total perfection, but it felt like carping. As for the other singers, I did enjoy Rosanne Cash, Julie Fowlis is pure class... bur Karan Casey's Black is the Colour... wow! A real "I could die happy now" performance... -- Hamish |
11 Oct 09 - 12:49 PM (#2743534) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: Nick I know what you mean - it's a stunning indictment of modern society. Perhaps you could join in on my new thread that gives us a chance to address the problem and realise some of the oppportunities that the BBC have missed. It's here (and what's really impressive is I can do internal AND external 'blue clickies') |
11 Oct 09 - 12:57 PM (#2743538) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: Will Fly I think the BBC does a great job with the series, and there's certainly nothing like it (IMHO) around anywhere else over here at the moment. Having said that, there are inevitably going to be parts of each programme which appeal more to one person than another. Nick doesn't care for Iris Dement - I thought her appearance in TS3 was great. I think Julie Fowlis is excellent, but have never cared for Roseanne Cash. And so on and so forth. We're allowed to appreciate different parts of the programmes in different ways - it doesn't mean to say we don't appreciate the project as a whole. |
11 Oct 09 - 02:23 PM (#2743594) Subject: RE: New Ideas for Transatlantic Sessions 5 From: michaelr Haha, that's brilliant, Nick! |
11 Oct 09 - 02:33 PM (#2743602) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: Backwoodsman "Having said that, Dan Tyminski is a joy" You hit the button there, Will. Try his recent CD, 'Wheels' - superb singing and playing by Dan and his band. Absolute top-notch stuff. |
11 Oct 09 - 03:45 PM (#2743640) Subject: RE: New Ideas for Transatlantic Sessions 5 From: melodeonboy Tee-hee! Good one, Nick! Seriously, I wasn't aware that people had been complaining about the Transatlantic Sessions. I've only managed to see one of the latest series. I didn't think it was the best one I'd seen, but it was still of a very high standard. Have I missed something? |
11 Oct 09 - 03:48 PM (#2743643) Subject: RE: New Ideas for Transatlantic Sessions 5 From: melodeonboy Whoops! Sorry! I've just found the thread in question. My first paragraph above still stands. Ignore the second one! |
11 Oct 09 - 06:27 PM (#2743749) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: Will Fly Thanks, Backwoodsman - I'll certainly check that out. |
12 Oct 09 - 03:28 AM (#2743947) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: Stu My only problem with it is it's half an hour long. It should be double that at least. I liked Martha Wainright; really quite different and original. I like hearing the American singers and some have been a revelation. Jerry Douglas continues to amaze and McGoldrick is God. Excellent. |
12 Oct 09 - 08:05 AM (#2744027) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: TopcatBanjo To be honest I am finding series 4 a bit disappointing compared to previous series. Yes, it's still one of the few "must-see" bits of TV in the week but there are a few niggles for me this time. - Why is there so much piano? I know they have always had the piano in but personally I find it completely unnecessary for an acoustic session. And this series, the piano seems to be included within practically every tune/song - stomping all over the quieter instruments in the mix - Ditto with drums, although this is not so intrusive and I have to admit that the percussionist (forget his name) does play with taste and sensitivity - but again, why is this needed on practically every song? Acoustic sessions don't normally have a drummer...? - Disappointed with the contributions of some of the guests. I also thought Martha Wainwright was dreadful, OK she is not my cup of tea but I also thought it was partly that the songs she brought did not fit well with the essence of the programme. One of the James Taylor songs was also very disappointing. I thought that Alison Moorer was excellent though - My tastes are more to the American/bluegrass side (although I very much enjoy the Celtic tunes too)and hence I was particularly looking forward to the contributions by Dan Tyminski and Stuart Duncan. Dan is pure quality but why use one of his precious appearances to do Man of Constant Sorrow - AGAIN? That song is already out there on several DVDs - why not get a performance of a song from his fantastic recent CD "Wheels" for instance? I just feel that that is a bit like the equivalent of always playing a greatest hit or a Stairway to Heaven - boring and a wasted opportunity! - Even more than with other series, the Celtic element seems to include a massive proportion of songs sung in Gaelic. Is it really necessary to have so many? I appreciate it is a part of the Scottish culture but I am sceptical as to how common it usually is to sing songs in Gaelic in Celtic sessions?! I also think the new venue looks dark and dingy compared to TS3 and I can't believe that the sound can be better given all those bare stone walls...... All my humble opinion you understand. Notwithstanding the above rant - yes, it is still one of the best things on telly and is a joy to experience the musical talents of such giants as Michael McGoldrick, Aly Bain, Jerry D, etc etc etc as well as the guests. Just don't think it has been as good as TS3...episode 4 has been best for me so far though! Enough of this chuntering! TC |
12 Oct 09 - 09:37 AM (#2744094) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: G-Force I am really enjoying and appreciating TS4 even if it's not quite as good as series 1 to 3. I think it's having the kit drummer which spoils it. As ever, though, it all seems to reinforce the general view that traditional music is something which happens in Scotland, Ireland and America but not England. I don't wish to belittle the Celtic influence, but there is also a vast commonality between English and American music and song. |
12 Oct 09 - 09:52 AM (#2744102) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: Nick Well I watched episode 4 and if that's dull or disappointing then I'm a penguin. There was plenty of things to make me smile and marvel - the two pipers were excellent; the harmonies on the 'worry not' song were beautiful and he has a lovely voice (even Martha...) ; 'Kid on the Mountain' set was as good as I thought it was the other day and was so precise given the speed; Karan Casey I had not heard of before but will be checking out later on as that was pretty special; the bluegrass player was very good on 'lee .... blues'; Alison Moorer I really enjoyed; Dan T song was good I just wish I could be disappointed more regularly and for longer periods of time in future. There are probably drugs I could take to get rid of that though. Nick Penguin |
12 Oct 09 - 12:15 PM (#2744194) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: Tim Leaning Its all a matter of personal preference have enjoyed most of the ones I managed to catch. Even the bits that weren't my own cup of tea where expertly performed. It does strike me as a bit smug and errrrr you know... But that's music for you aint it. |
12 Oct 09 - 12:45 PM (#2744223) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: John MacKenzie Ref the Dan T performance, I think he's great, except for the dirgey version of Man of Constant Sorrow JM |
12 Oct 09 - 12:45 PM (#2744224) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: Marje I suppose the celtic/gaelic connection is perfectly logical, since the only legitimate meaning for the concept of "celtic music" is music that uses the celtic (gaelic) languages. Other than that, the concept of "celtic" culture is a vaguely racist and somewhat spurious one, with no real historical basis. The trouble, in this instance, is that it leaves out not only most English music, but much of the Scottish repertoire as well. Burns was not "celtic" in any sense, and neither are any of the great songs (his and others) that have their roots in lowland Scotland. I'd warm to the series even more if it tried to embrace all the music of these islands and to celebrate the links and influences that are shared by US, Irish, Scottish and English music and song. Marje |
13 Oct 09 - 03:26 PM (#2745178) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: mandotim I'm on my own this week, so I've just had an orgy of watching the current series back-to-back. So much great playing, so many great songs and tunes. I couldn't see how an American country singer like Alison Moorer was going to cope with Carrickfergus; but she reduced me to floods of tears. That was the best interpretation of the song I've ever heard, with some stellar playing to back up a tremendous piece of singing. Stunning stuff. |
20 Oct 09 - 07:05 AM (#2748573) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: Marje I've just caught up with the most recent broadcast and found it by far the best yet in this series - there was some captivating singing from several female singers, and a lovely selection of songs/tunes. Marje |
22 Oct 11 - 09:11 AM (#3242982) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: GUEST,Bob Couldn't see the relevence of the drummer, spoiled it for me. |
22 Oct 11 - 11:38 AM (#3243057) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: melodeonboy I think the drummer is fine on some songs, and he knows what he's doing, but I think he's being over-used. |
03 Nov 11 - 07:28 AM (#3249589) Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions Mistake? From: GUEST,Bob Hi Anyone know when and if the Series 5 will be shown on English TV? |