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moving to Norwich, UK

27 Nov 09 - 03:51 AM (#2774706)
Subject: moving to Norwich, UK
From: open mike

My cousin is moving to England. I take her to the airport to fly there in one week. She will be joining her husband near Norwich. I told her the "H" (aitch) is silent...what else is there to know about the area? I am not sure how close to "the Broads" they will be, but
that area looks very interesting. My cousin is very much into dragons
and i mentioned to her about the dragon hall and the dragon festival in Norwich.

apparently they will live about an hour from Norwich. Are there any
mudcatters in this area?

I think i would be interested in morris dance, and other activities and events, but i do not think my cousin or her husband would be . I think the area may be great for a person who loves dragons.


27 Nov 09 - 03:53 AM (#2774707)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: open mike

there is a town in nebraska called Norfolk and they pronounce it Nor-fork. How is the British name norfolk pronounced?

you probably need to be careful how you spell this...


27 Nov 09 - 04:01 AM (#2774712)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: GUEST

Norfolk and Good
Lyrics by The Kipper Family

In praise of our county we're going to sing
Against this fine place we will not hear a thing.
If you speak ill about it, you speak a falsehood
For our native county is Norfolk and good.
Norfolk and good, Norfolk and good
We are the boys who are Norfolk and good.

Now Nelson from Norfolk he took on the world
Lady Hamilton thought him an absolute pearl
But Hardy said Nelson was misunderstood,
He reckoned his kissing was Norfolk and good.

Now Kent have its hops and the Cornish their pasties
And Lancashire hot pot can be awfully tasty
In Cheshire there's cheese and in Yorkshire there's pud
But my wife's old dumplings are Norfolk and good.

Now the rich folk of London our county have found
Which means that the houses cost thousands of pounds
They all feel at home in our neighbourhood
So we let them know that they' re Norfolk and good.

Now our Norfolk turkeys are simply the best,
They sure knock the stuffing out of the rest
And if you tried one I'm sure that you would
Agree that our turkeys are Norfolk and good.

Norfolk and good, Norfolk and good,
We are the boys who are Norfolk and good.


This might give a 'clue' to the pronunciation too :)


27 Nov 09 - 04:10 AM (#2774714)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Smedley

The 'h' in Norwich isn't exactly silent, but the 'w' is. Depending on your regional & class background, Brits would call the city 'Norritch' or 'Norridge' or (if they are from the rural vicinity of that area) 'Naaaaarch'.

The Broads are very close to the city, they start 20 minutes or so to the East. The coastline of North Norfolk is lovely, and also very accessible from the city. Some parts of the county are a bit anonymous, so it might help to know whether she'll be living N, E S or W of the city.


27 Nov 09 - 04:22 AM (#2774719)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: The Villan

A few links.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=norfolk&rls=com.microsoft:en-GB:IE-SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7RNWN_en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&

http://www.visitnorfolk.co.uk/norfolk/default.aspx

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/norfolk/hi/default.stm


27 Nov 09 - 04:22 AM (#2774722)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: open mike

of course i meant the "W" and he is from the area that might be called
black country in the west...or midlands...so he might pronounce it differently than area locals.

i think birmingham is pronounced as "brummage" there, so he probably says norridge?


27 Nov 09 - 04:34 AM (#2774727)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: MGM·Lion

For folkies: Norfolk has a fine oral tradition; EJ Moeran, Peter Kennedy, Bob Thomson et al collected there, from, among others, Harry Cox & Sam Larner. My late dear friend Peter Bellamy was brought up on a farm near Wells-next-the-Sea on the northern [Wash] coast of the county, and lived many years in Norwich; &, as we lived in the neighbouring county of Cambridgeshire, we would meet often at that time. He always regarded himself as a Norfolk singer — his first solo record, while still with the Young Tradition, was called Mainly Norfolk — even when he lived in London & after he moved north to Yorkshire where his untimely death occurred.


27 Nov 09 - 04:45 AM (#2774731)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Jack Blandiver

I love Norwich & I love Norfolk. It remains my dream to one day open a shop dealing in local dairy produce in Wells-next-the-Sea called Butter and Cheese and All - there is already one called Normal for Norfolk, a phrase which still permeates the UK medical profession for those slightly below the national average. albeit abbreviated to NfN. Norwich has one of the finest medieval cathedrals in the UK, the cloisters of which contain the finest sequence of medieval religious sculpture I've ever seen (see my wee film HERE for a taste) but it'll give a sore neck looking up at them! It also has one the finest Roman Catholic cathedrals too - a masterpiece of the Victorian Gothic. The rural churches are the jewels in the crown though; step into these and you're truly stepping back into something you won't find anywhere else. My favourite St Peter & St Paul at Salle, which is truly mind-blowing - another wee film HERE.


27 Nov 09 - 04:47 AM (#2774732)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: MGM·Lion

and Norwich has also one of the best preserved of ancient city walls, IIRC.


27 Nov 09 - 04:49 AM (#2774734)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Jack Blandiver

That was a cross-post, MtheGM - but shows we were thinking along similar Bellamist lines!


27 Nov 09 - 05:02 AM (#2774740)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: The Villan

Ah he probably does say Norridge loik.

Birmingham is pronounced Brummagem.

Many people wrongly confuse the Black Country dialect with the Brummie dialect. As a Brummie, I can tell you there is a big difference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn3_bYcAnWI&feature=related


27 Nov 09 - 05:21 AM (#2774748)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: GUEST,Old Roger

This may be a help. The website for the Norfolk Folk Directory is found at www.norfolkfolk.co.uk It lists clubs and other things. It is usually out of date which is normal for Norfolk. I run The Wolf Folk Club near King's Lynn. Lots of Norwich folk come over to it. For me the Whittlesea Straw Bear Festival in January is the region's unmissable event. That's over near Peterborough but well worth the drive and braving the cold. The Cambridge Folk Festival is big and famous but it is hard to get tickets. Don't waste any tears on that, there's plenty of good stuff going off in the region.


27 Nov 09 - 05:25 AM (#2774752)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Mavis Enderby

Naaaaarch sounds about right Smedley.

I once had a frustrating drive around Norwich and surrounding area looking for "Cossey" - which is of course the local pronunciation of Costessey - just to the NW of Norwich.

I can also recommend the produce of Woodfords brewery, which is a few miles to the North East of Norwich.

Pete.


27 Nov 09 - 05:48 AM (#2774762)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Mr Happy

........& wasn't Sid Kipper originating from they paaaaarrrts? Arrrh!


27 Nov 09 - 06:02 AM (#2774765)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: GUEST,Shimrod

My grandparents were from North Norfolk and I've always considered Wells-next-the-Sea to be the closest place to Heaven on earth (although it's been excessively gentrified in the last couple of decades).

I've never really warmed to Norwich ('Norridge' if you come from Peterborough - like me ... something close to 'Naarch' if you actually come from Norwich ... although the inhabitants will probably think you're taking the piss if you try to pronounce it like that! Stick to 'Norridge'!). As S'OP says, though, the cathedral is very fine and the other old bits are worth seeking out.

There's an old cliche about Norfolk being very flat (attributable to Noel Coward I think) so if you believe that scenic beauty should include hills you'll probably be disappointed. Nevertheless, stick with it - East Anglia can be very rewarding if you open your mind and allow its subtle charms to grow on you.


27 Nov 09 - 06:49 AM (#2774783)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Will Fly

All my mother's family originated from Norfolk - much north of Naarch - and then moved to Loostarft (Lowestoft) in Suffolk. Lovely part of the world. A cottage in Cley-next-the-Sea would be one idea of heaven. And it's all M.R. James country for those who like his ghost stories.


27 Nov 09 - 07:08 AM (#2774790)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Jack Campin

apparently they will live about an hour from Norwich.

An hour how? Public transport in East Anglia isn't that great - the bus service is patchy and the trains are expensive.

It's been horribly yuppified, housing prices have increased further in the last generation than anywhere else in Britain. The houses Harry Cox and Sam Larner lived in have probably been refitted to suit a banking executive with two BMWs.

It won't take much global warming to have Norwich Castle's hill sticking up out of the water like Mont St Michel or Eilean Donan.


27 Nov 09 - 09:36 AM (#2774864)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: RamblinStu

I enjoyed twenty two good years of living in Norwich, a fine city, but then moved on (must lean to pay the rent). I still go back from time to time to see family and friends. It is a very special part of the world.

Unfortunately nowadays Norwich and Norfolk, is getting full of ee hars and UFLs (Up from London), and most of the good places are disappearing, replaced by modernised, organic, bare wood shops selling a host of products that fishes need for bicycles. Also you will see loads of properties used by people to "pop to" for the occasional weekend, then, whilst there they can complain about anything agricultural or rural. Most of the local pubs have been forced to close replaced by gastro pubs, where you can eat fine cuisine and talk to people from Surrey

However, if you dig hard enough, I'm sure you should find some real Norfolk left, so explore and find the real Norfolk, then savour and enjoy it, it is a wonderful place to be



Stuart Pendrill


27 Nov 09 - 10:03 AM (#2774879)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Mr Red

An hour is a long way in the UK.

However there is a column in Sam Simmons' FolkWest about Norfolk (and Good). There is also one by a shy modest Folk Sleuth. It would be worth a years subscription just to familiarise her with the folk cohort there.

http://www.folklife-west.co.uk/

And the Whittlesea Straw Bear is not that far from Norfolk - It is mostly a sessiony, dancy, morrissy weekend. Still B&B available last time I looked, but it is popular - and rightly so. If she is into Cajun they have a dance but it clashes with the Ceilidh which gave me a difficult choice. She may have settled-in by Jan 15th, 16th and 17th.


27 Nov 09 - 10:13 AM (#2774892)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)

Yes, I noticed the radical err ethnic cleansing of Norfolk, when walking through it on the Peddar's Way. Some of the wee stone villages feel just like walking into a frigid-aired Waitrose. The Gastro-Pubs and naked wood Arty outlets are all the same kind of uniform bland. The upper-middle 'rural idyll' types seem to find it terribly embarrassing to have to meet your eye or say 'Hello', especially if you're grubby and muddy from a week on the trail.. The countryside however is striking in summer, where you can walk for miles through golden shimmering fields of wheat, and never encounter another soul. The North coast too is striking, great expanses of beach, gorse and heather.


27 Nov 09 - 10:21 AM (#2774897)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: kendall

We have a town here called Woolwich and we drop the "W" too. Besides, wool itch makes more sense.


27 Nov 09 - 10:34 AM (#2774910)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Spleen Cringe

North Norfolk is beautiful. My sis lives in Reepham, which still has plenty of locals, pubs where people look at you funny and not too many of those horrible identikit "tasteful" tat shops (unlike Holt, just up the road, which is stiff with Hooray Henrys and Henriettas and their darling little boutiques). Wells and Cley-next-the Sea are lovely and the whole area is fantastic for cycling - miles of narrow country lanes where you only come across the occasional tractor (apart from weekends, when the lanes are awash with designer bubba-trucks full of weekend second home owners).

Which bit of Norfolk (which my genteel mother-in-law insists on pronouncing Norfick rather than the earthier Norfuck) will your sister be living in?


27 Nov 09 - 10:52 AM (#2774918)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Smedley

Another London-escapees bolt-hole to avoid is Burnham Market & its surrounding villages. You might as well be in Chelsea.


27 Nov 09 - 11:54 AM (#2774952)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: GUEST,Allan C

Norwich is a lovely city. As far as the Broads go you can take a boat right from Norwich through the South Broads past Great Yarmouth (and a rather large stretch of open water) into the North Broads. They say Norwich has, or used to have, a church for every week of the year and a pub for every day. My wife is from Old Costessey which is a village now incorporated within the built up area. Her father was an archaeologist at Norwich Castle museum. She doesn't have the Laughing Postman (ie Norfolk dialect)type accent though.


27 Nov 09 - 01:02 PM (#2774988)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Waddon Pete

Don't be swayed by the gainsayers! Norwich is a lovely city with good shops, etc. East Anglia stretches for many unspoilt miles and you can go for a long walk and meet no-one! (You get UFLs everywhere, except in some parts they are DFLs)!

If you want to find out about Folk, get a copy of Mardles, the local folk whats on. (Available from all good folk clubs!)

Best wishes,

Peter


27 Nov 09 - 01:29 PM (#2775007)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Lizzie Cornish 1

Norfolk is the County I love best.

Norwich has 52 churches, or used to....one for each week of the year. And..it has a castle too..and the most fantastic library, a huge new affair, relatively...with a museum below and a big cafe in....gorgeous new state of the art building...just google for it...

The Broads go right into the City Centre, so you can hire a boat either way, from in to out, or vice versa...

Go to Wroxham and Horning, and all the places around their, and see Honeypot Cottages, with thatched rooves, right on the water's edge.....Look at the old Windmill's too...

But best of all, take a rowing boat out on the Broads...out of season, when there is just you...and nature....around....

The silence is what hits you. No cars, no people, just you..the water and the birds...and you'll see the most amazing birds in Norfolk! Oh..so beautiful!

Miles of empty roads...

Blakeney, where the seals hang out on the Point...
Holt, where there are shops to make your mouth water....

And the Norfolk coast...wild and free...

You haven't really lived until you've see the sun rise and set in Norfolk...those huge, wonderful open skies..where the views go on for miles...and the whole world turns pink, at least twice a day...

And the Narfalk people, so friendly....

As you can see, I love it to pieces..and one day, one day, in the not too distant future, I'm going to live there and spend the rest of my life under a Norfolk Sky..


27 Nov 09 - 01:32 PM (#2775008)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Lizzie Cornish 1

The Norfolk Broads..


27 Nov 09 - 01:37 PM (#2775011)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Lizzie Cornish 1

This site has loads of different villages in, thought you might like it. :0)


27 Nov 09 - 02:06 PM (#2775036)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie

Miles from civilisation, but if you are used to The USA, then I suppose everything is next door...

I agree with The High Lord Jeremy Clarkson.   

Norfolk - the county where they point at aeroplanes...

If you are worried about pronunciation, then no matter where you go in The UK folk clubs, you will always find an impromptu duo getting up and calling themselves Norfolk & Goode.


27 Nov 09 - 04:09 PM (#2775106)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: GUEST

I've been to Norfolk many times. It is a great place to be. Naaarch is particularly good. Hmmm, well anyone who agrees with a comment like that, especially from Clarkson....well....


27 Nov 09 - 06:38 PM (#2775192)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: sapper82

Visited Norwich several times with work and only found one place in the town with a Folk Session. Sadly it was the most unwelcoming, inward looking session I've ever been to.


27 Nov 09 - 07:06 PM (#2775207)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: johnadams

A good overview of North Norfolk can be had by viewing this BBC programme which should be on line until noon on Sunday.


27 Nov 09 - 08:01 PM (#2775239)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Lizzie Cornish 1

"This site has loads of different villages in, thought you might like it. :0)"


Memo to self:

"It's always better when you add the link!" ;0)


27 Nov 09 - 08:50 PM (#2775261)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: open mike

actual area is near Rudham...and Kings Lynn...northwest of Norwich.
looks like this is closer to "the Wash"


27 Nov 09 - 10:17 PM (#2775307)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: open mike

this should be below the line..


28 Nov 09 - 04:10 AM (#2775403)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: open mike

Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only, but all BBC iPlayer Radio programmes are available to you. Why?

If you are in the UK and see this message please read this advice.

Go to Radio channels home page


28 Nov 09 - 04:12 AM (#2775405)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)

Mmm, maybe one summer me & Mr. should do a self determined footpath tour of Norwich villages (bypassing the Chelsea-on-sea clones & drones), taking in some of the interesting churches en route.


28 Nov 09 - 06:45 AM (#2775464)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: GUEST,Mr Red

Beware pronunciations. Town names can be a minefield (in any country) Wisbech is pronounce Wisbeech, Hapisbourgh is pronounced Haze-buh-ruh and the river Nene is pronpounced Nenn in Northampton (pronounced Norfampton there) and Neen near Oundle (pronounced Oon-dul in Oon-dul) but it all comes out in the wash :-)

And as Noël Coward put it "very flat - Norfolk"


28 Nov 09 - 09:30 AM (#2775521)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: The Villan

Not that far from Sandringham then http://www.sandringhamestate.co.uk/

Kings Lynn - there is a very nice place http://www.myspace.com/theacoustickitchen

Owned by this person.
http://www.myspace.com/peterwkitchen


28 Nov 09 - 10:04 AM (#2775528)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: RamblinStu

Regarding Norfolk place name pronunciations, another one that often confuses is Wymondham, a town a few miles southwest of Norwich..

Wymondham pronounced "Wind um", good hey

Stuart Pendrill


28 Nov 09 - 12:50 PM (#2775595)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: GUEST,Old Roger

Regarding The Villan's comments I'd like to help get that straight. Pete Kitchen runs "The Acoustic Kitchen", a monthly music club, in the premises of "The Riverside Restaurant" in central King' Lynn. He does a good job for contemporary acoustic music there but I am not sure he would be delighted to be represented as owning the establishment. The people who own it might be a bit miffed too.

Rudham is the next village along the Norwich road from the village where I live. We are very and I mean VERY, short of dragons around here which I seem to recall was the lady's central interest. I think this is true for neighbour regions, or even further afield although we did have one who worked as the receptionist at our local medical centre. The doctor used to say "never mind the dragon" so we knew it was true. We are also V. short of Saints George.

Went to King's Lynn last night to hear Sid Kipper do his stuff. He did "Norfolk and Good" (as set out above)to everyone's delight and two hours worth of other really funny folk spoofs.


28 Nov 09 - 01:33 PM (#2775624)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: open mike

thanks for all the info...it sounds like King's Lynn
has some interesting things to check out!
http://theacoustickitchen.co.uk/
http://theacoustickitchen.co.uk/venue.htm

i see you are near by, Roger, perhaps you will meet one day.

thanks for the cathedral movies, Sedayne.

I may make it over to that part of the world someday..
it all looks lovely!!


28 Nov 09 - 02:51 PM (#2775692)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: The Villan

Seems like you rogered me there old roger :-)

Thanks for putting me straight on that. :-)


28 Nov 09 - 04:28 PM (#2775746)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Old Roger

Entirely innocent I vow and protest. Off to the local now for a pint - it's just across the road - how convenient can you get. Oh and I should be signed propely in this time, I'm not really a guest.


29 Nov 09 - 09:02 AM (#2776021)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: GUEST,Shimrod

"Oon-dul" (for Oundle)! I've never heard that before! "Own-dul" is what we called it (with the 'ow' as in 'town').

Oh yes, and when I was growing up, in Peterborough, 'Wisbech' was pronounced 'Wiz-beech'.


29 Nov 09 - 03:32 PM (#2776231)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Herga Kitty

Nobody's mentioned it yet, but Johnny Collins was raised in Norwich.

Kitty


30 Nov 09 - 12:43 AM (#2776505)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: MGM·Lion

OTOH, it appears to have turned out that Norwich in the title of the thread is a bit of a misnomer, as we are actually talking of the environs of Kings Lynn which is not that near Norwich.

Peter Bellamy was raised near Wells-next-the-Sea.


30 Nov 09 - 04:06 AM (#2776554)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Mary Humphreys

If anyone out there is interested in buying a copy of Mardles ( East Anglia's Folk Magazine ) and their folk club doesn't have copies, you can get it online here:

Buy Mardles Here


30 Nov 09 - 04:15 AM (#2776556)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: The Villan

See you soon Mary at Faldingworth.
Les


30 Nov 09 - 10:22 AM (#2776735)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Arnie

I stayed in Swaffham a couple of years ago, in a house that is used in the summer by some of the Kingdom film crew (series starring Stephen Fry). Whilst there, I visited Norwich to do a bit of sightseeing and found a street that seemed to have it's fair share of music shops - not sure of street's name now. Anyway, I ended up buying a Yamaha guitar there (well it was in a sale and sounded great) and left Norwich with many hundreds of £'s less than I arrived. Not going near there again.


30 Nov 09 - 10:42 AM (#2776759)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Old Roger

Arnie - the street was probably St Benedicts. The Arts Centre is on that street and also a cuppla churches given over to art exhibitions. They have lots of churches given over to things in Norwich.

I had a word with my seven year old grandson. It appears there may be more dragons about in Norfolk than I thought. I have discovered he is some kind of consultant dragonologist which surprised me no end. There's hope for the lad yet..I think I'll try him with the banjo and see what happens


30 Nov 09 - 02:35 PM (#2776940)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: The Villan

>>I think I'll try him with the banjo and see what happens<<

That is really cruel Old Roger :-)


01 Dec 09 - 03:26 AM (#2777307)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Smedley

Yes, St Benedicts does have more than one instrument shop.

Re the local accent, I recall wondering why a friend from that area told me, whenever he'd been out for a run, that he was 'jargon'.


01 Dec 09 - 07:34 AM (#2777414)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: GUEST,Mr Red

You say Owndull I say Oondull
Depends whether you live near the River Neen or Nenn I guess. I only lived in Wootton for 18 months. Strangely I am typing this in Wotton (under Edge) many miles from Norfampton.

I think they will get the idea: listen to the locals before wagging tongue. Bit like pronouncing Arkansas or Stouffville isn't it?


01 Dec 09 - 08:26 AM (#2777447)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: bubblyrat

I like Norwich and its environs too .Have visited it by water,and much enjoyed the cathedral and castle.Karen (Wild Flying Dove) lived in Norwich some years ago, and many of my ancestors,on my mother's side ( Eke) came from Norwich itself and villages around that area ; Corpusty,East Dereham,Wood Dalling,Binham, as per "Will Fly" also .There are some lovely Norfolk place-names ; one of my favourite entries in my father's WW2 log-book says " Base (RAF Oulton) to Little Snoring and return".


01 Dec 09 - 08:53 AM (#2777466)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: MGM·Lion

While the pronunciation of the name of the River Nene may vary between two towns thru both of which it flows — the Nen in Northampton & the Neen in Ptbro — there is only one town of Oundle, which occupies a fixed site; and the people who live in it, & attenders at its famous school, all favour the Own- [to rime with 'down'] over the Oon- pronunciation: so surely their wishes should be paramount among the general population, howsomever some eccentrics from elsewhere may prefer to distort the name for their own inscrutable reasons.


01 Dec 09 - 01:58 PM (#2777734)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Jeanie

Yes - I'll "second", "third" etc. etc. all the favourable comments here ! I've just got back from working there a couple of nights at the Granary Theatre in Wells-next-the-Sea - had never been there before: a lovely and relatively unspoilt place. Had a glorious walk along the sea wall to the beach - looking for the seals who come in there at high tide. The light and space there are awe-inspiring, and just asking to be painted/photographed. Stayed in a lovely B&B called "The Merchant's House", which I would thorougly recommend to anyone going up to stay there.

Hope your cousin and her husband have a fantastic time living in Norfolk, Open Mike.

- jeanie


01 Dec 09 - 02:20 PM (#2777757)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: GUEST,Sheringham Boy

The problem with North Norfolk is that it's riddled with grockles and twitchers.


02 Dec 09 - 11:13 AM (#2778536)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: GUEST,Mr Red

I can only cite the people who refer to Oondull or Owndull - not being from those parts I hear both and cannot but be confused as to correctness. But at least I have a history of listening to those peeps. A stranger in town has no history of learning the ideosynchrasies.

How would you pronounce Cogenhoe? Wiki seems to have it right.
and does Rushden really have a "z" in it? Or two?

At least Norfolk don't haf any of yer Emmets.


02 Dec 09 - 12:48 PM (#2778646)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Old Roger

"At least Norfolk don't haf any of yer Emmets".

That we dew. We got efts 'n harnsers 'n all.

Regarding funny pronunciation of place names

Hunstanton = Hunston
Snettisham = Snetsum
Ingoldisthorpe = %^&*"¬~> I can't pronounce it
Happisburgh = Hazeboro Even the folk in Norfolk think that one is a bit on the peculiar side.

- It was Queen Boudicca started that as everyone know. Baffling the Romans with misinformation so they were always lost - cleverer than switching the signposts around. One of the biggest small towns in the area is called Fakenham which was a bit of a giveaway - it must have been the first one but they got craftier after that. The names all stuck because Norfolk discovered it quite liked misinformation as you can perhaps tell.


02 Dec 09 - 12:59 PM (#2778663)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: MGM·Lion

... which leads - ho-hum! - to Great Snoring


03 Dec 09 - 03:35 AM (#2779250)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: RamblinStu

There is a lovely song called "Bells of Norwich", I heard it performed by Sue Watson, I don't know who wrote it, or who originally sang it.

Does anyone know of other songs that mention Norwich?

Stuart Pendrill


03 Dec 09 - 04:03 AM (#2779256)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: MGM·Lion

Another folk artefact, tho not a song, which must be remembered, is the acronym-message from the homeward-bound partner:—

N.O.R.W.I.C.H.   

= [k]Nickers Off Ready When I Come Home


03 Dec 09 - 04:06 AM (#2779259)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: bubblyrat

Karen & I sing / play this song.Written by one Sydney Carter,it refers to one Julienne,or Julien,a monastic lady of medieval times,now appearing in the song as Julian (of the eponymous Tower).
       I don't recall any other songs about,or mentioning,Norwich,but I do remember from my Navy days that the word Norwich was much used,on the back of envelopes,by sailors writing home to their girlfriends ,as it meant " (K)nickers Off Ready When I Come Home "-----personally, I preferred " Burma for Siam", but I digress ...sorry !


03 Dec 09 - 04:07 AM (#2779260)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: bubblyrat

Gosh !! We both thought of that at the same time !! Spooky !


03 Dec 09 - 04:07 AM (#2779262)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: MGM·Lion

... & OF COURSE THE NURSERY RHYME OF

THE MAN IN THE MOON
CAME DOWN TOO SOON
& ASKED THE WAY TO NORWICH
—   sorry - not shouting, just got inadvertently stuck on Shift —
They sent him south
Where he burned his mouth
By eating cold pease-porridge.


03 Dec 09 - 04:14 AM (#2779265)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: MGM·Lion

Yes, Bubbly, I recall The Book Of Dame Julian Of Norwich as one of the least loved impositions of the mediæval section of the Cambridge English Tripos all those years ago... tho not quite as dire as Ancrene Rulle, whatever the hell that meant. But I too digress. Sorry.


03 Dec 09 - 04:17 AM (#2779266)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: MGM·Lion

Norwich Gaol, incomparably sung by Martin Winsor, one of the finest tracks on Peter Bellamy's great ballad opera album The Transports, don't forget.


03 Dec 09 - 04:25 AM (#2779274)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: MGM·Lion

... once went to a live perfomance of The Transports at Norwich Castle to review it for Neil Wayne's Acoustic Music magazine, & remember mentioning my car had been parked on just about the spot where Henry Cabell's father & Abe Carman would have been hanged...


03 Dec 09 - 04:58 AM (#2779295)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: bubblyrat

Well, I just KNEW that there had to be a rhyme somewhere between Norwich and porridge ! How does one pronounce Horwich,by the way ??


03 Dec 09 - 06:08 AM (#2779340)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: MGM·Lion

Horwich as in Norwich, Bubbly. I had, as it happens, a cousin called Bessie Horwich who came from Manchester, which Horwich is near.


03 Dec 09 - 03:04 PM (#2779870)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Herga Kitty

Further to Old Roger's post... Trunch really is a village in North Norfolk

Kitty


03 Dec 09 - 06:07 PM (#2780009)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Old Roger

Hi Herga Kitty,

favourite with me and he missus is Fustyweed. You can find it near Elsing not far from Norwich. Google maps knows it's there.

There's also Grimston which is quite a nice place. And Castle Rising which is slowly falling down. Whatever you read in Norfolk don't believe a word of it. Misinformation all of it. That's why the Romans packed up and went home.


26 Dec 09 - 12:30 PM (#2796736)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: open mike

what can you tell me about internet service providers available in the area? any folk clubs?


26 Dec 09 - 03:20 PM (#2796833)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Fidjit

What a question Laruel. Any Folk Clubs? Ha. Can of worms now. They are all all down in Suffolk !

Chas


26 Dec 09 - 04:01 PM (#2796855)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Old Roger

Hey Open Mike,

I live just a couple of villages away from Rudham where I understand your relative is going to locate. I run The Wolf Folk Club on the Sandringham Estate. I also operate the Norfolk Folk Directory www.norfolkfolk.co.uk which lists all the clubs and other folk stuff in Norfolk but it is always getting out of date because folk forget to let me know etc. If your cousin would like to contact me when settled in I will gladly help her find out the stuff she's looking for. I will provide contact details if you want.

Best regards

Roger


27 Dec 09 - 08:34 AM (#2797189)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: GUEST,Shimrod

I long ago realised that some people use the pronunciation of place-names as a silly game. Some years ago I heard a lecture from two poets who waxed lyrical about the North Norfolk coast ("the quality of the light - absolutely marvellous!"). They mentioned the hamlet of Holkham, which is part of the estate of Lord Leicester (of Holkham Hall) and is not far from Wells-next-the-Sea. One poet said that it should be pronounced, "Hoke-am" whilst the other insisted on "Hook-am". After the lecture I went up to them and said, "my grandfather was born and brought up there and he always pronounced it, 'Holk-ham' - just like it's spelled." They were not too pleased!

There is also a place in West Yorkshire called Slaithwaite. If you pronounce it as "Slaith-wait" people look pityingly at you and say, "of course you know it's pronounced, "Slau-wit" (the 'slau' rhyming with 'now'). But if you pronounce it 'Slau-wit' people say, "oh, no-one pronounces it like that nowadays - that's very old-fashioned!" You can't win!


06 Jan 10 - 07:10 PM (#2805299)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: open mike

i saw a big to-do about a dragon festiville in Norwich for 2009
and can not find a thing aobut it for 2010--does anyone know?

it was late jan. early feb last year...

I wonder if it is happening this year? I thought i would
hear something or find news....


06 Jan 10 - 07:59 PM (#2805340)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: open mike

http://www.bbc.co.uk/norfolk/content/articles/2009/01/08/dragon_festival_20090108_feature.shtml

this fest. ws 3 weeks long last year..

perhaps they got burned out on putting on
such an involved event?


19 Dec 10 - 07:34 PM (#3057534)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: open mike

yes the Norwich Dragon Festival is back on for 2011---in Feb.
www.heritagecity.org/projects/norwich-dragon-festival-2011.htm
would anyone know of a way to contact a shop or booth that sells any
dragon related figures or products??

I am looking to see about having a booth or finding someone who might have a booth or shop who might be interested in some dragon figures for the festival.

Certainly there is a craft faire type event as part of the festivities!!

if anyone is interested in dragons, there will soon be some specimens avaialble thru E-bay. I will post a link when they are ready.


20 Dec 10 - 02:14 PM (#3057945)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: JHW

I left when I was nearly 1


21 Dec 10 - 03:54 AM (#3058319)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: Fidjit

Laurel
You could ask
Colin Cater

He'd know of someone if he wasn't interested himself.

Chas


21 Dec 10 - 03:49 PM (#3058825)
Subject: RE: moving to Norwich, UK
From: open mike

thanks...actually looking for any one who might have a shop, booth or stall who might be interested in some dragons. Especially Norwich due to the upcoming festivities...