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Lyr Req: Three Flowers & The Death of Ben Hall

29 Jul 99 - 01:43 AM (#100379)
Subject: Tune Add: THREE FLOWERS / THE DEATH OF BEN HALL
From: John in Brisbane

This one has me a bit confused. This is a trad tune, but I don't know its original name - it could even be in the DT. It is used for at least two sings that I have heard:

(1) THE THREE FLOWERS - As I was walking down a lane as night was drawing nigh, I met a colleen with three flowers and she more young than I, ... the rest of the song refers to fallen Irish heroes

.

(2) THE DEATH OF BEN HALL - Come all you sons of liberty and listen to my song, a story of bushranging days I will to you ???, ..let's sit and sing God Save the King, Dunn, Gilbert and Ben Hall.

I've lost my copy of the Penguin Australian Songbook and as I recall the name of the tune is in there.

Any help please?

Regards, John

MIDI file: 3flowers.mid

Timebase: 192

Name: The Three Flowers/Death of Ben Hall
Copyright: Sequenced © 1999 by John J Leahy
Text: Generated by NoteWorthy Composer
Tempo: 150 (400000 microsec/crotchet)
TimeSig: 3/4 24 8
Start
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This program is worth the effort of learning it.

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ABC format:

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Q:1/4=150
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29 Jul 99 - 03:10 AM (#100390)
Subject: RE: NEW TUNE - NEED LYRICS:Three Flowers/Ben Hall
From: Bob Bolton

G'day John,

I have a few copies of Penguin book #1 (My own, Bush Music Club archive &c) so I will look it up and get back tomorrow. At least my magazine, Mulga Wire, got off to press last night, so I can relax ... for a while.

Regards,

Bob Bolton

29 Jul 99 - 06:08 AM (#100412)
Subject: Lyr Add: THREE FLOWERS
From: Brakn

Here's THREE FLOWERS.
I'm wasn't sure whether you needed it or not.
I couldn't find it in the DT.
The air is similar to the Turfman From Ardee

Ben Hall I don't know.

Regards Mick Bracken

One time when walking down a lane
As night was drawing nigh
I met a colleen with three flowers
And she more young than I
"St. Patrick bless you, dear" said I
"If you'll be quick to tell
The place where you did find these flowers
I seem to know so well"

She took a flower and kissed it once
And softly said to me
"This flower I found in Thomas Street
In Dublin fair" said she
"It's name is Robert Emmett
It's the youngest flower of all
And I'll keep it fresh, beside my breast
Though all the world should fall"

She took a flower and kissed it twice
And softly said to me
"This flower comes from the Antrim hills
Outside Belfast" said she
"The name I call it is Wolfe Tone
The bravest flower of all
And I'll keep it fresh, beside my breast
Though all the world should fall"

She took a flower and kissed it thrice
And softly said to me
"This flower comes from the Wicklow hills
It's name is Dwyer" said she
"And Emmett, Tone and Dwyer I'll keep
For I do love them all
And I'll keep them fresh, beside my breast
Though all the world should fall"

29 Jul 99 - 11:55 PM (#100710)
Subject: Tune Add: THE BALLAD OF BEN HALL'S GANG
From: Bob Bolton

G'day John,

I had a look in The Penguin Australian Songbook vol. 1 and John Manifold gives 2 different tunes to The Ballad of Ben Hall's Gang, which is the song you quoted. The Death of Ben Hall is a different song, collected from Sally Sloane, of Lithgow and has it's own tune in the Dorian mode.

Manifold's version of THE BALLAD OF BEN HALL'S GANG is a composite of the recollections of a number of people, several of them on the Bandicoot Ballads publishing committee. He reckoned that the first tune is known as The Black Horse or possibly The Airy Bachelor. This is the first tune for which I give a MIDIText file: bal-bhg1.

MIDI file: bal-bhg1.mid

Timebase: 240

TimeSig: 4/4 24 8
Tempo: 120 (500000 microsec/crotchet)
Start
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End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:
M:4/4
Q:1/4=120
K:C
E7F|G3GE2c2|B2B2D2EF|F2D2C2B,2|C6EF|G2G2A2Bc|
d2d2e3d|c2A2G2G2|G6EF|G2G2A2Bc|d4e3d|c2A2G2E2|
D6EF|G3GE2c2|B2B2D2EF|F2D2C2B,2|C19/4||

He gave the second tune as "one of those to" WILLIAM RILEY and this tune is the second one, bal-bhg2.

MIDI file: bal-bhg2.mid

Timebase: 240

TimeSig: 4/4 24 8
Tempo: 120 (500000 microsec/crotchet)
Start
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End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:
M:4/4
Q:1/4=120
K:C
D15/2E/2|^F3^FD2B2|E2E2D2B,A,|A,3B,D2D2|D6D3/2E/2|
^F3E^F2A2|B2B2A2^FE|D3DE2D2|B,6D3/2E/2|^F3E^F2A2|
B4A2^FE|D3DE2D2|B,6D3/2E/2|^F3^FD2B2|E2E2D2^CB,|
A,3B,D2D2|D19/4||

I seem to remember listing off these details a bit over a year back, so I guess there must be a past thread ... and maybe a DT entry ... somewhere down there!

Regards,

Bob Bolton

30 Jul 99 - 03:30 AM (#100741)
Subject: RE: NEW TUNE - NEED LYRICS:Three Flowers/Ben Hall
From: Helen

John

The tune sounds like one of the versions of The Wild Colonial Boy to me. I did a search on the net to see if I could find out what the original tune was but no luck so far. Infoseek found over a hundred refs to TWCB and I'm about a third of the way through checking them.

I also looked it up in John Meredith's Folksongs of Australia but it just mentions various people that Meredith collected the tune from.

Helen

30 Jul 99 - 03:50 AM (#100747)
Subject: RE: NEW TUNE - NEED LYRICS:Three Flowers/Ben Hall
From: John in Brisbane

Helen, I first learned the tune I posted about 25 years ago, and sang it for a short while. I have a couple of times since then heard the'original' Irish tune, but no idea what it was. I've only ever heard WCB in a major key. Intriguing! Regards, John