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Origins: Neath the Crust of the Old Apple Pie

31 Dec 09 - 02:52 PM (#2800280)
Subject: Origins: Neath the Crust of the Old Apple Pie
From: Charley Noble

I was baking a pie this morning and ran across this old song transcribed by my mother in the cookbook.

A version of this song is already in the DT as Judy Cook learned it from her parents, sung to the tune of "In The Shade of the Old Apple Tree" but there isn't any older source or printed reference:

'NEATH THE CRUST OF THE OLD APPLE PIE

'Neath the crust of the old apple pie,
There is something for you and for I
It may be a pin that the cook has left in
Or it may be a wee little fly
(a package of black diamond dye)

Oh, it may be an old rusty nail
Or a piece of the pussycat's tail
(puppy dog's)
But whate'er it may be
It's for you and for me,
'Neath the crust of the old apple pie.

My mother, Dahlov Ipcar, also learned this one in the 1920's and remembers the lines as:

'NEATH THE CRUST OF THE OLD APPLE PIE

'Neath the crust of the old apple pie,
There is something for you and for I;
It may be a pin that Mom has dropped in,
It may be a nice juicy fly;
It may be an old rusty nail
Or a piece of a pussycat's tail,
But whatever it be
It's for you and for me,
'Neath the crust of the old apple pie.

Anyone else got a clue where this came from, or alternative lines?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


31 Dec 09 - 10:48 PM (#2800559)
Subject: RE: Origins: Neath the Crust of the Old Apple Pie
From: GUEST,999

"neath the crust of an old apple pie"

Google the line above just as is; that is, leave quotations marks on. Go to the three sites below. Note, I left the apostrophe off the quoted line.

FOLK COLLECTION 4: No. 1: Series II: Vols. 10-18: The Fife Mormon ...



[PDF] SANOIAN SPECIAL COLLECTIONS LIBRARY or UNIVERSITY ARCHIVES (choose ...



Both sides of the border: a scattering of Texas folklore - Google Books Result

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Well, we know it was written 1905 or later because that's when "SotOAT" was first written.


31 Dec 09 - 10:52 PM (#2800562)
Subject: RE: Origins: Neath the Crust of the Old Apple Pie
From: GUEST

"'Neath The Crust of an Old Apple Pie," from Verona Stocks
Folksong Album. It was released in 1953.


31 Dec 09 - 10:53 PM (#2800563)
Subject: RE: Origins: Neath the Crust of the Old Apple Pie
From: GUEST,999

The 31 Dec 09 - 10:52 PM post is from here.

FOLK COLLECTION 4

The Austin and Alta Fife Fieldwork Collection
No. 1: The Fife Mormon Collection
Series II: Manuscript Sources (Vols. 10-18)


01 Jan 10 - 11:56 AM (#2800810)
Subject: RE: Origins: Neath the Crust of the Old Apple Pie
From: Charley Noble

999-

Thanks for the suggestions.

Well, we know it was written 1905 or later because that's when "SotOAT" was first written.

It took me some time to puzzle out what "SotOAT" meant until I thought of posting the same information that "In the Shade of the Old Apple Tree" was composed in 1905. Dah!

Evidently the Campfire Girls also got hold of this ditty.

Charley Noble


01 Jan 10 - 02:53 PM (#2800916)
Subject: RE: Origins: Neath the Crust of the Old Apple Pie
From: GUEST,999

I was not able to locate any lyrics, but I'll be looking more today.


02 Aug 10 - 07:08 PM (#2957009)
Subject: RE: Origins: Neath the Crust of the Old Apple Pie
From: GUEST,ChukLitl

Thanx for the Campfire Girl comment. I thought Uncle Joe got the song in a field hospital in Normandy. Mom probably learned it at camp.


02 Aug 10 - 09:13 PM (#2957078)
Subject: RE: Origins: Neath the Crust of the Old Apple Pie
From: Genie

I don't know where this parody came from, but here's another one (also of unknown origin -to me at least - except for the first four lines of the second verse, which my imaginary playmate, Sonja, wrote, because I couldn't remember the ones I had heard):

In the shade of the old apple tree,
Where my mother came looking for me,
With a handful of switches,
She took down my britches
And, oh, how she gave it to me!

Well, I don't quite remember my sin,
But I'm sure that I did it again -
The outcome of which is
Mama cut lots of switches
In the shade of that old apple tree.


Genie


19 Oct 13 - 11:26 PM (#3568424)
Subject: RE: Origins: Neath the Crust of the Old Apple Pie
From: GUEST,butter

My grandmother sings this song for me. I thought she made it up

She says "a dear little fly"
Either way its a pretty cool tune


12 Feb 20 - 03:43 PM (#4033893)
Subject: RE: Origins: Neath the Crust of the Old Apple Pie
From: GUEST,debracorazzelli

My mother sang this to me when I was little, in the late 50s/early 60s. She had a slight change:rather than a pin from the cook, she sang "It may be a hair, the cook has left there, or it may be a big juicy fly." The rest is the same. If the original song was written in 1905, this parody must have been mainstream by the time my mother was born, in 1915. Thanks for the memories!


19 Nov 20 - 09:45 AM (#4080228)
Subject: RE: Origins: Neath the Crust of the Old Apple Pie
From: GUEST,Jeff

Had a teacher in 4th grade in Atlanta - Mrs Gurr x who claimed to have written this song. That was 1969 and she was ancient so conceivably could have been tru....


21 Nov 20 - 03:09 PM (#4080500)
Subject: RE: Origins: Neath the Crust of the Old Apple Pie
From: GUEST

Gi'e 'er a listen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LfwjioBGso