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07 Jan 10 - 04:41 AM (#2805564) Subject: Lyr Add: FORE DAY CREEP (from Ida Cox) From: VirginiaTam I am learning this song performed by Ida Cox (wife of the reported song author Jesse Crump). Found it on my Ultimate Encyclopedia of American Blues Classics (best used purchase I ever made). Fore Day Creep - Ida Cox on youtube What I would like to know: What the actual title of the original song is? Was it indeed penned by Jesse Crump? Are the lyrics in digitrad under another title? I have searched Fore Day Creep, Four Day Creep and Outside Woman Blues, as well as Ida Cox and Jesse Crump to no avail. Fore Day Creep Lyrics: Jesse Crump Music: Jesse Crump Recorded by: Ida Cox Contributed by: Kalin Jensen Commentary by: Kalin Jensen When you lose your money, don't lose your mind. When you lose your money, don't lose your mind. When you lose your good man, please don't mess with mine. And I'm gonna buy me a bulldog; watch my man while he sleeps. I'm gonna guy me a bulldog; watch my man while he sleeps. Men are so doggone crooked, afraid he might make a fore day creep. Girls I'm gonna tell you this, ain't gonna tell you nothin' else. Girls I'm gonna tell you this, ain't gonna tell you nothin' else. Any woman's a fool to think she's got a whole man by herself. But if you got a good man and don't want him tak'n away from you, Girls if you got a good man and don't want him tak'n away from you, Don't ever tell your friend woman what your man can do. I may be old, high up in years, I may be old, high up in years, But I can still climb a hill without shiftin' my gears. And I'm a big fat mama, got some meat shakin' on my bones. I'm a big fat mama, got some meat shakin' on my bones. And every time I shake some skinny gal loses her home. Above taken from this site - http://www.arts.ualberta.ca/~blues/Fore%20Day%20Creep.htm |
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08 Jan 10 - 02:02 AM (#2806329) Subject: RE: Origins: Four or Fore Day Creep by Jesse Crump From: VirginiaTam So no Mudcat knowledge on this song out there? |
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08 Jan 10 - 02:10 AM (#2806331) Subject: Lyr Add: FORE DAY CREEP (from Ida Cox) From: GUEST Ida Cox's "Fore Day Creep" is often mistakenly entitled, "Four Day Creep." It's that stealthy stealth·y adj. stealth·i·er, stealth·i·est Marked by or acting with quiet, caution, and secrecy intended to avoid notice. See Synonyms at secret. move that gets someone home before daybreak. Things are a little too clear in the light of day and some people might just question your intentions or your state of mind. Interestingly, Ms. Ida connects questionable intentions in a woman with economic distress but does not seem to draw the same implications from infidelity in a man. In the third verse, infidelity in a man is only to be expected as the natural state of affairs.
Fore Day Creep -- Lyrics by Ida Cox |
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08 Jan 10 - 02:14 AM (#2806332) Subject: Lyr Add: FOUR DAY CREEP (from Ida Cox) From: GUEST,999 That was me above. FOUR DAY CREEP / FORE DAY CREEP Ida Cox from "Complete Recorded Works, Vol. 4 (1927-1938)" (Document 5325) When you lose your money don't lose your mind When you lose your money don't lose your mind When you lose your good man please don't mess with mine And I'm gonna buy me a bulldog to watch my man while he sleeps I'm gonna buy me a bulldog to watch my man while he sleeps Men are so doggone crooked, afraid he might make a fore-day creep Girls, I'm gonna tell you this, ain't gonna tell you nothin' else Girls, I'm gonna tell you this, ain't gonna tell you nothin' else Any woman's a fool to think she's got a whole man by herself But if you got a good man and don't want him taken away from you Girls, if you got a good man and don't want him taken away from you Don't ever tell your friend woman what your man can do Lord Lord I'm getting up in years Lordy Lordy Lordy I'm getting up in years But mama ain't too old to shift her gears And I'm a big fat mama, got the meat shakin' on my bones I'm a big fat mama, got the meat shakin' on my bones And every time I shake, some skinny gal loses her home __________ Note 1: four day creep, or 'fore (from: before) day creep, to betray one's wife or lover with another lover. That was from www.secondhandsongs.com/song/27463 |
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08 Jan 10 - 02:31 AM (#2806335) Subject: RE: Origins: Four or Fore Day Creep by Jesse Crump From: GUEST,999 What I know for sure is that Crump wrote the music. |
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08 Jan 10 - 02:35 AM (#2806336) Subject: RE: Origins: Four or Fore Day Creep by Jesse Crump From: GUEST,999 Just to confuse things a bit: 'Fore Day Creep (Jesse Crump) - Chicago IL - July 1927 - Paramount 12488-A - Ida Cox (voc), Jesse Crump (p) Four Day Creep (Ida Cox) - New York City - Oct. 31, 1939 - Vocalion 05336 - Ida Cox (voc) and her Allstar Band (Artie Bernstein (b), Charlie Christian (g), Lionel Hampton (d), James P. Johnson (p), Fletcher Henderson (p), J.C. Higginbotham (tromb), Edmond Hall (cl), Hot Lips Page (tr)) [Sure would be nice to see the 1927 sheet music to the song.] that info is from www.keeponliving.at/artist/ida_cox.html |
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08 Jan 10 - 02:43 AM (#2806337) Subject: RE: Origins: Four or Fore Day Creep by Jesse Crump From: GUEST,999 http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:k7PyhylBGLcJ:www.secondhandsongs.com/song/27463+jesse+crump,+fore+day+creep&cd=4&hl=en&ct=c OK. Best guess for the nonce: the music was written by Jesse Crump. The words are kinda generic blues and maybe were just kickin' around. Come 1970s, someone made the assumption that 'fore was misspelled (not realizing it was really BEfore's abbreviation). The title was then changed to Four Day Creep from 'Fore Day Creep and now we have this really neat thread. |
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08 Jan 10 - 02:50 AM (#2806342) Subject: RE: Origins: Four or Fore Day Creep by Jesse Crump From: GUEST,999 From the U of A website you linked to, I respectfully suggest that the writer made a mistake: "Four Day Creep" was written by Jesse Crump, Cox's husband, and is sometimes listed as "Fore Day Creep" (www.redhotjazz.com). Ida Cox performed this song live in concert at Carnegie Hall in New York City on December 24, 1938 with Shad Collins on trumpet, Dickie Wells on trombone, James P. Johnson on piano, and Jo Jones on drums (Cox). Two additional band members were listed – Buddy Tate on "ts" and Walter Page on "sb" – but I could not make out what instruments the initials stood for. The above lyrics were translated to page myself while listening to the song. I believe them to be more correct that the alternate versions I found later in online databases and wonder if they were taken from a different performance/recording of "Four Day Creep." " The 1927 version was entitled "'fore Day Creep" and someone at my old Alma Mater got it wrong (I suggest respectfully). Get the heavies (Jim Dixon and Q) on this when you can. |
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08 Jan 10 - 03:44 AM (#2806360) Subject: RE: Origins: Four or Fore Day Creep by Jesse Crump From: VirginiaTam Wow! Thanks 999. Almost too much info. I surmised that it should be fore day creep, fore being a shortening of before. Makes sense- man creeping out the house before the sun rises presumably to meet with some other woman. I am liking the notes about line meanings. I inferred from "Every time I shake, some skinny girl loses her home" line to be a boast/warning that she has the stuff (whatever that be, physical or financial means) to keep her man from creeping and paying other women for sexual favours. But I probably have it wrong. You say you know for sure that Crump wrote the music. Does this include the lyrics? Sigh! Sheet music would be great. Would like to accompany myself on guitar, so chords would be great. |
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08 Jan 10 - 11:08 PM (#2807185) Subject: RE: Origins: Four or Fore Day Creep by Jesse Crump From: GUEST,999 I'll look tomorrow. I'm on a slow machine just now. |
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09 Jan 10 - 07:43 AM (#2807393) Subject: RE: Origins: Four or Fore Day Creep by Jesse Crump From: GUEST,Bob Coltman 'Fore / Four: A&R men and associates often got African American dialect wrong when titling blues songs. To compound the difficulty, African American songwriters were sometimes poor spellers. So wrong spellings got into record and song contracts. As regards the meaning: " 'Fore " is correct. It's short, of course, for "before." The "before day creep" is the act of leaving before daylight, either to avoid further complications with the overnight partner (male or female), to get back to a wife or girlfriend who'll miss her man (or husband or boyfriend who'll miss his woman), to beat the law, or the landlord, or for some other reason. "Four day creep," though frequently met with in print, is mistaken and a bit ludicrous, if you think of it: having to take four whole days to get out of the house, down the street, and out of sight. If I'm taking it on the lam, I sincerely hope I'm a bit faster than that. Bob |
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10 Jan 10 - 10:29 AM (#2808263) Subject: RE: Origins: Four or Fore Day Creep by Jesse Crump From: VirginiaTam refresh ... cuz I think this song deserves some more air time |
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10 Jan 10 - 05:20 PM (#2808579) Subject: RE: Origins: Four or Fore Day Creep by Jesse Crump From: deadfrett V Tam..Eric Clapton and Cream did a fine version of this on thier Disreali Gears album. They called it Outside Woman Blues. They gave credit to Blind Willie Reynolds. Could this have been Blind Willie McTell? -- Dave |
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10 Jan 10 - 10:28 PM (#2808752) Subject: RE: Origins: Four or Fore Day Creep by Jesse Crump From: GUEST,999 After years of travelling and performing on street corners, [Blind Joe] Reynolds was eventually discovered in 1929 by musical talent scout H.C. Speir and is known to have entered the studio at least twice, recording four songs on each occasion. In November 1929, Speir took Reynolds to a small studio in Grafton, Wisconsin where he recorded the songs "Cold Woman Blues", "Nehi Blues", "Ninety Nine Blues" and "Outside Woman Blues". These were recorded under the name Blind Joe Reynolds and released as two 78rpm records by Paramount Records. In November 1930, Reynolds entered the studio once again, this time in Memphis, Tennessee. There he recorded the songs "Goose Hill Woman Blues", "Married Man Blues", "Short Dress Blues" and "Third Street Woman Blues" under the name "Blind Willie Reynolds" for Victor Records. However, only two of these songs were released, on a single 78rpm record. The recordings of "Goose Hill Woman Blues" and "Short Dress Blues" are thought to be lost forever. The song "Outside Woman Blues" would later find fame when it was recorded by Cream for their 1967 album, Disraeli Gears. The group became aware of the song after guitarist Eric Clapton heard it featured on a blues compilation album (Origin Jazz Library OJL-8). Curiously, on their version, Cream gave the writing credit to 'Arthur Reynolds'. Reynolds' "Ninety Nine Blues"/"Cold Woman Blues" 78rpm recording for Paramount was thought to be lost until 2000 when a copy, which had been purchased in 1976 at a flea market for one dollar, surfaced. It subsequently sold privately for $5,500. It remains the only known copy in existence. |
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10 Jan 10 - 10:54 PM (#2808763) Subject: RE: Origins: Four or Fore Day Creep by Jesse Crump From: deadfrett Guest 999- Thanks for the comeback on Reynolds. I wasn't aware thst he was recorded that much. I knew McTell recorded under various 'sudeos. I thought Neihi Blues might have been one of them. Thanks..Dave |
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10 Jan 10 - 11:04 PM (#2808770) Subject: RE: Origins: Four or Fore Day Creep by Jesse Crump From: GUEST,999 I'm guessing that Nehi Blues was some sorta reference to the soft drink--the one favoured by Radar O'Reilly from the MASH series. I hear you about people recording under 'suedos. There's likely a good thread in there. I forgot to note that the info came from Wiki. |
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10 Jan 10 - 11:07 PM (#2808771) Subject: Lyr Add: NEHI BLUES (Blind Joe Reynolds) From: GUEST,999 AND, once again did I guess wrong: NEHI BLUES As sung by Blind Joe Reynolds (1930) Some girls wear short dresses, and these married women wears 'em too Some girls wear short dresses, and these married women wears 'em too That's the reason single men, Lord, don't know what we want to do When the proper judges make these women let these dresses down When the proper judges make these women let these dresses down Told that tremblin' soul, doggone, what you learnin' in town Women tarry too long, pullin' this short dress style Women tarry too long, pullin' the short dress style So we single men can't tell a married woman from a child Hmmm, Hmm, Hmmm, hmmm Let me tell you boys what these nehi dresses will do Let me tell you boys what these nehi dresses will do Get you broke, ragged, and hungry boy, then come down on you All of you women, you all oughta be ashamed All of you young women, the whole lot oughta be ashamed makin' these old men naughty, when they're walkin' on walking canes Hmmm, Hmmm, Hmmm, Hmmm An old man ain't nothin' but a young woman's slave These old mens ain't nothin' but a young woman's slave He works hard all the time tryin' to stay in a young man's ways Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm |
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11 Jan 10 - 02:52 AM (#2808826) Subject: RE: Origins: Four or Fore Day Creep by Jesse Crump From: VirginiaTam OMG! blast from the past. Grape Nehi and Moonpies. I miss being a kid and frittering my allowance on Saturday. May be a blues song in that. Thanks for all the extra if somewhat confusing info. So the lyrics are Reynold's and tune is Crump's? |
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14 Jan 17 - 01:09 AM (#3832467) Subject: RE: Origins: Four or Fore Day Creep by Jesse Crump From: GUEST,Joseph Scott "The words are kinda generic blues" Two of the stanzas, okay, because the familiar "meat shaking" stuff was in Green and McLaurin's "Blind Man Blues" in 1920, and "Buy me a bulldog" in Lovie Austin's "Jealous-Hearted Blues" (aka "Jealous Hearted Me") in 1924. But the other four stanzas, no. |
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21 Nov 18 - 10:44 PM (#3962720) Subject: RE: Origins: Four or Fore Day Creep by Jesse Crump From: mousethief Is this related to "Fo-Day Creep" by Barbecue Bob (Robert Hicks), recorded in either 1927 or 1928? |
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09 Dec 18 - 09:26 PM (#3965707) Subject: Lyr Add: FO DAY CREEP (Barbecue Bob) From: Jim Dixon This seems to be a completely different song: FO DAY CREEP As recorded by Barbecue Bob, 1927. You pass my door, brown, you won’t even look in. You pass my door, but you won’t even look in. You pass just like a whirlwind. You can pass me up, try to ignore me too. (2x) ‘Cept like you ignore me, somebody gonna ignore you. I lied down last night; I couldn’t even sleep I lie down last night, but I couldn’t even sleep I thinkin’ about that gal, might make that fore-day creep. Yes, mama, you might make that fore-day creep. That’s a low-down fireman, dirty John Nare. (2x) Done took my gal an’ left me standing here. Then I asked the brakeman, let me ride your blind. (2x) Said: sorry, buddy, but you know this train ain’t mine. Some people are happy and some are burdened down. (2x) Some are so doin’, some are so low-down. I lie down last night, gal, I couldn’t even sleep. I said lie down last night, I couldn’t even sleep. Thinkin’ about that gal, might make that fore-day creep. Lord, mama, you might make that fore-day creep. |