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09 Jan 10 - 02:11 PM (#2807615) Subject: How many miles to Dublin? From: Ray C My father, whose parents came from Skerries, would bounce babies on his knee while singing: "Up jup little horse, up jup again Many miles to Dublin Three score and ten" In Ulysses, James Joyce writes these words: "How many miles to Dublin? Three score and ten, sir. Will we get there by candle light?" Does anyone know the name of this song or anything about it? |
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09 Jan 10 - 02:38 PM (#2807644) Subject: RE: How many miles to Dublin? From: MGM·Lion Seems to derive from nursery rhyme "How many miles to Babylon?", which likewise specifies 3=score & 10, and also contains the 'candle-light' question. Good entries in Wiki & in the Opies' Ox Dict of Nursery Rhymes [#26]. The Opies suggest that Babylon might be a corruption of Babyland — tho some religious or Biblical input seems likely to me also. 'Dublin', in both above variants, also has quite a strong assonantal relationship to 'Babylon', hasn't it? |
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09 Jan 10 - 02:43 PM (#2807647) Subject: RE: How many miles to Dublin? From: Q (Frank Staplin) How many miles to Babylon? Three-score and ten. Can I get there by candle-light? Yes, and back again. If your heels are nimble and light, You may get there by candle-light. Iona and Peter Opie, 1955, The Oxford Nursery Rhyme Book London, etc. used as the town. More later. |
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09 Jan 10 - 02:58 PM (#2807661) Subject: RE: How many miles to Dublin? From: Q (Frank Staplin) The game, and its rhyme, is fairly old, and widely known in UK, Ireland, U. S., etc. 1849, Gentleman's Magazine How many miles to Hebron ? Three score and ten. Shall I be there by midnight ? Yes, and back again. --------------------- How many miles to Banbury Cross? Three score and ten. Shall we get there by midnight? Yes, if you run well. Then open your gates as wide as the sky, And let King Georger and his men pass by. It is so dark we cannot see, so thread the needle, Nancy, One, two, three. Warwick; from Alice B. Gomme, 1894-1898, vol. 1, (1984 ed.), The Traditional Games of England, Scotland and Ireland, Thames and Hudson. |
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09 Jan 10 - 03:01 PM (#2807666) Subject: RE: How many miles to Dublin? From: RobbieWilson I wouldn't start from here |
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09 Jan 10 - 03:06 PM (#2807668) Subject: RE: How many miles to Dublin? From: Q (Frank Staplin) A little more: 1805, Songs from the Nursery, is the oldest known. "Sam Henry was of the opinion that the original text...referred to "Babyland," with Babylon as a corruption. Gomme, however, has nineteen texts .... and seven refer to Babylon, three to Banbury, a couple of others to variants on Bethlehem, a few to London, and none to Babyland." Traditional Ballads Index. There is one referring to Glasgow. |
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10 Jan 10 - 11:28 AM (#2808297) Subject: RE: How many miles to Dublin? From: MartinRyan Several Irish versions - including some in Irish, so to speak. Think there's an earlier thread about it. I'll have a look. Regards |
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10 Jan 10 - 11:39 AM (#2808310) Subject: RE: How many miles to Dublin? From: MartinRyan Click here for an earlier thread. Regards |