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21 Jan 10 - 10:17 AM (#2817527) Subject: Imaginary places in song?? From: Mr Happy Some current threads are querying locations of places mentioned in songs. Many are imaginary entities, such as Cliffs of Dooneen Spancil hill Glocca Morra Others? |
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21 Jan 10 - 10:19 AM (#2817528) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: MMario Lullaby bay Hush-a-bye mountain Big Rock Candy Mountain Toyland |
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21 Jan 10 - 10:24 AM (#2817534) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: beeliner "There's a place where lovers go / To cry their troubles away / And they call it Lonesome Town / Where the broken hearts stay..." "Your kisses take me to Shangri-La..." Glocca Morra's not a real place? Waddiya know! |
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21 Jan 10 - 10:31 AM (#2817541) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Mr Happy ........maybe down the road from Brigadoon? |
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21 Jan 10 - 10:51 AM (#2817563) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Bryn Pugh Honilee ? |
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21 Jan 10 - 10:55 AM (#2817564) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: RTim Fiddlers Green! |
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21 Jan 10 - 10:57 AM (#2817571) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Mr Happy Re: 'Honilee ? ' As a young lad, I always imagined that PPM were singing about 'Honolulu' but mispronouncing it ! |
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21 Jan 10 - 11:04 AM (#2817581) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: frogprince Hmmm; does "Somewhere, Over the Rainbow" meet the definition? |
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21 Jan 10 - 11:07 AM (#2817586) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Maryrrf Spancil Hill is a real place, I thought. |
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21 Jan 10 - 11:10 AM (#2817587) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: MMario Bali Hai |
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21 Jan 10 - 11:12 AM (#2817588) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Dave Hanson I actually know someone who lives in ' Cloud Cuckoo Land ' Dave H |
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21 Jan 10 - 11:14 AM (#2817590) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Mr Happy Sorry, should've checked Yes Spancil Hill does exist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spancil_Hill |
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21 Jan 10 - 11:14 AM (#2817591) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Vic Smith I've climbed Spancil Hill in County Clare and looked down on the field below where there were still pens for the annual fair, a great gathering place for travellers. Have a look at http://www.hillviewbandb.com/spancil-hill-fair.php. It doesn't look that imaginary to me. |
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21 Jan 10 - 11:15 AM (#2817593) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: GUEST,Peter Laban Spancill Hill IS a real place. As are the Cliffs of Dooneen. |
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21 Jan 10 - 11:25 AM (#2817602) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Smedley Gillygillyossenfefferkatzenellerboagun-by-the-Sea Understandably, I may be spelling that incorrectly. |
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21 Jan 10 - 11:31 AM (#2817606) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: John MacKenzie Imasazz |
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21 Jan 10 - 11:33 AM (#2817607) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Lighter Dixie - at least as described. |
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21 Jan 10 - 11:35 AM (#2817608) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: GUEST Oz |
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21 Jan 10 - 11:40 AM (#2817616) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: MMario Lighter - if you are going *there* then Oklahoma, Cape Cod, Ireland, Colorado, and virtually any place ever sung about. |
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21 Jan 10 - 11:46 AM (#2817619) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: GUEST Kraftwerk - Metropolis |
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21 Jan 10 - 11:47 AM (#2817622) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Maryrrf Romeny, or Bohenny, or wherever Geordie sold the king's deer that he'd poached. |
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21 Jan 10 - 11:55 AM (#2817628) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: beeliner "Kraftwerk - Metropolis" Metropolis is in southern Illinois. There is a Superman museum there, and the local newspaper WAS the Daily Planet, until a few years ago when it cut back to weekly. |
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21 Jan 10 - 11:58 AM (#2817629) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: GUEST I stand corrected, beeliner. |
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21 Jan 10 - 12:47 PM (#2817687) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Phil Edwards That's Gillygillyhossenpfefferkatzenellenbogen By The Sea, I think. And I nominate Copperline, Utah - which I know from a terrific song by copland smith, inspired by what's probably a much better-known song by James Taylor. |
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21 Jan 10 - 12:58 PM (#2817697) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Jim Carroll Drumsnot takes some lickin' (pun intended) Jim Carroll |
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21 Jan 10 - 01:26 PM (#2817716) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Paul Burke Nottamun Town Big Rock Candy Mountain Xanadu (Dave, Dozy, Beaky, Cuthbert, Dibble and Sloth) |
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21 Jan 10 - 01:32 PM (#2817730) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: MGM·Lion I have always taken it that Nottamun Town = Nottingham? |
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21 Jan 10 - 01:37 PM (#2817736) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: MGM·Lion Of course, one must ask if misnamings count:— Take the song that begins "Here's to the lass of Lancashire Town". Lancashire isn't a town; it's a county whose county town is called Lancaster.. So does that one count or not? Or, when Geordie stole 16 of the king's red deer and sold them in Bohemmy - does it mean Bohemia? and anyway is it Bohemmy or Bohenny?... |
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21 Jan 10 - 02:24 PM (#2817793) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Bert Heartbreak Hotel |
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21 Jan 10 - 04:04 PM (#2817923) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: GUEST,suegorgeous (away with the fairies) In September, while at the Tulla Festival, which is 5 miles down the road from Spancil Hill, I thought I'd drive over to have a look at the place I've sung about so often. For some odd reason, despite following the signs, I couldn't find it! drove round and round, and gave up in the end, frustrated... I wondered if the leprechauns had hidden it for the day... Sue |
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21 Jan 10 - 04:18 PM (#2817948) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: beeliner So far I don't think anyone has mentioned Diddy Wah Diddy. But that could be a whole 'nother thread. |
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21 Jan 10 - 04:27 PM (#2817958) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Tangledwood Shores of Avalon Highlands of Heaven |
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21 Jan 10 - 04:27 PM (#2817959) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Effsee The Land o' the Leal? |
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21 Jan 10 - 04:32 PM (#2817963) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Dave MacKenzie Walker Hill and Byker Shore. |
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21 Jan 10 - 06:25 PM (#2818066) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Paul Burke Of course Nottamun Town is fictional. Nottingham is far more surreal. |
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21 Jan 10 - 06:32 PM (#2818073) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Dave MacKenzie Durham Town (on the River Tyne. Not to be confused with the City of Durham on the River Wear). |
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21 Jan 10 - 06:40 PM (#2818083) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: John MacKenzie Kubla Khan by Samuel Taylor Coleridge In Xanadu did Kubla Khan A stately pleasure-dome decree: Where Alph, the sacred river, ran Through caverns measureless to man Down to a sunless sea. So twice five miles of fertile ground With walls and towers were girdled round: And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills, Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree; And here were forests ancient as the hills, Enfolding sunny spots of greenery. But oh! that deep romantic chasm which slanted Down the green hill athwart a cedarn cover! A savage place! as holy and enchanted As e'er beneath a waning moon was haunted By woman wailing for her demon-lover! And from this chasm, with ceaseless turmoil seething, As if this earth in fast thick pants were breathing, A mighty fountain momently was forced: Amid whose swift half-intermitted burst Huge fragments vaulted like rebounding hail, Or chaffy grain beneath the thresher's flail: And 'mid these dancing rocks at once and ever It flung up momently the sacred river. Five miles meandering with a mazy motion Through wood and dale the sacred river ran, Then reached the caverns measureless to man, And sank in tumult to a lifeless ocean: And 'mid this tumult Kubla heard from far Ancestral voices prophesying war! The shadow of the dome of pleasure Floated midway on the waves; Where was heard the mingled measure From the fountain and the caves. It was a miracle of rare device, A sunny pleasure-dome with caves of ice! A damsel with a dulcimer In a vision once I saw: It was an Abyssinian maid, And on her dulcimer she played, Singing of Mount Abora. Could I revive within me Her symphony and song, To such a deep delight 'twould win me That with music loud and long I would build that dome in air, That sunny dome! those caves of ice! And all who heard should see them there, And all should cry, Beware! Beware! His flashing eyes, his floating hair! Weave a circle round him thrice, And close your eyes with holy dread, For he on honey-dew hath fed And drunk the milk of Paradise. |
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21 Jan 10 - 06:44 PM (#2818089) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: GUEST,Guest How about Heaven? Worked for John Lennon in 'Imagine'... |
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21 Jan 10 - 06:47 PM (#2818092) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Goose Gander Fenario, in 'Pretty Peggy-O' . . . |
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21 Jan 10 - 07:01 PM (#2818106) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Lighter MMario: maybe Ireland especially. |
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21 Jan 10 - 07:36 PM (#2818132) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: GUEST,Gweltas , sans cookie! Mocking Bird Hill ?? |
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22 Jan 10 - 03:42 AM (#2818259) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Snuffy Morningtown (many miles away) Scarlet Town |
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22 Jan 10 - 04:02 AM (#2818264) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Jim Carroll "Spancil Hill," It's there all right Sue - a few hundred yaards from the main road. But if you'd driven down to the coast at Spanish Point and looked out to sea you might have caught a glimpse of 'Cill Stefeen', the island which only appears every thousand years. It doesn't feature in any song but there plenty o stories about it. Then again, there's the 'fourth' Aran Island - but we don't talk about that!!! Jim Carroll |
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22 Jan 10 - 05:15 AM (#2818293) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Marje Martin Wyndham Read has recorded two that come to mind: "My El Dorado" (Graham Miles), and "Somewhere in Atargo (Otago?)" Marje |
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22 Jan 10 - 05:20 AM (#2818296) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: GUEST mormond hill(North east of Scotland) |
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22 Jan 10 - 05:33 AM (#2818305) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Vic Smith "That seaport town called Canadee-i-o" |
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22 Jan 10 - 05:39 AM (#2818309) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Dave MacKenzie The local tourist board will be very surprised to learn that Mormond Hill is imaginary! And the good citizens of Strichen toun. |
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22 Jan 10 - 05:52 AM (#2818313) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Mr Happy Mormon Braes? |
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22 Jan 10 - 06:04 AM (#2818319) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Dave the Gnome Walker and Byker are real places on the outskirts of Newcastle. I think the Hill and Shore were names or nicknames of coal mines therein. How about MooMoo Land, as in Justified and Ancient by KLF? Or is that real as well? DeG |
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22 Jan 10 - 06:24 AM (#2818330) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: GUEST,Guest Olde England... |
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22 Jan 10 - 08:44 AM (#2818423) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Snuffy Cinomor? |
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22 Jan 10 - 08:56 AM (#2818432) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Mr Happy Kilgary Mountain [Mush a ring dum doo rum dah!] |
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22 Jan 10 - 08:59 AM (#2818435) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Tootler Mormond is a real place in North East Scotland, north of Aberdeen. |
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22 Jan 10 - 09:06 AM (#2818440) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Brian Peters "when Geordie stole 16 of the king's red deer and sold them in Bohemmy - does it mean Bohemia? and anyway is it Bohemmy or Bohenny?... " It's usually Bohenny, which does mean Bohemia. I looked up a bit of stuff about Bohemia, and one of the things I noticed was that deer are so common there that they've become a pest, necessitating a cull. Not much hope for Geordie's business plan, then, even if he hadn't got hanged. |
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22 Jan 10 - 09:08 AM (#2818441) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: beeliner '"My El Dorado" (Graham Miles), and "Somewhere in Atargo (Otago?)"' Otago is in New Zealand. There are several Eldorados in the USA, surely others in Hispanic countries(?). |
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22 Jan 10 - 09:21 AM (#2818453) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: John MacKenzie The Land Where the Bong Tree Grows Land of my Fathers Land of Hope and Glory |
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22 Jan 10 - 09:25 AM (#2818454) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Mr Happy England's green unpleasant land |
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22 Jan 10 - 09:36 AM (#2818462) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: bubblyrat Well, Gillygilly ? I don't know,--Hossenfeffer,or Harsenpfeffer is,I think something like spicy Rabbit Stew, or Jugged Hare ( it's in a Bugs Bunny cartoon,where he nearly becomes the main ingredient !! ). And KatzenEllenBogen ?? Yes,it's a real town in what used to be East Germany ,according to German music critic Anne Marcordes of Bielefeld where I lived for a while. But not neccessarily by the sea !! Katzenellenbogen,that is,not Bielefeld ! |
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22 Jan 10 - 09:37 AM (#2818464) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: beeliner "I looked up a bit of stuff about Bohemia, and one of the things I noticed was that deer are so common there that they've become a pest, necessitating a cull." Sounds like Western Pennsylvania. There are lots of Bohemians there, too, (the Czechs, not the artists), however in their case no cull has been suggested. |
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22 Jan 10 - 11:35 AM (#2818592) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Dave MacKenzie Mormond Braes are the braes on Mormond Hill. "Walker and Byker are real places on the outskirts of Newcastle", Yes, but Walker is on the banks of the Tyne, and Byker is up the hill from it, so Walker Hill and Byker Shore (as sung by Bert Lloyd) are non-existant. |
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22 Jan 10 - 12:19 PM (#2818626) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Marje Beeliner: thanks for the info on Otargo, I didn't know that (probably because I didn't know how to spell it). Re "My El Dorado", it's still valid for that particular song, because the whole pont is that he never found his El Dorado, his dream. Very sad, wistful song about getting older. Marje |
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22 Jan 10 - 01:11 PM (#2818658) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: C. Ham Fogarty's Cove |
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22 Jan 10 - 03:17 PM (#2818759) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Geoff the Duck If I can persuade you that Ilkley Moor is fictional, will all you Southerners stop singing it? Anyway, it's a small corner of Rombald's moor. Quack! GtD. |
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22 Jan 10 - 03:34 PM (#2818774) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: GUEST,suegorgeous away Jim - cool! so when did Cill Stefeen last appear, and is it due to appear again any time soon? could plan my next trip to Ireland around it... |
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22 Jan 10 - 08:21 PM (#2819006) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: frogprince The deck of the Antelope. (Barrett's Privateers) |
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23 Jan 10 - 12:29 AM (#2819141) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: MGM·Lion Pennies from HEAVEN - My Blue HEAVEN - Everybody talkin' 'bout HEAVEN ain't goin' there ... The gates of HELL fly open & the Devil laughs for joy... |
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23 Jan 10 - 12:58 AM (#2819148) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: GUEST,Allen in OZ " Lonely Street" Willie Nelson AD |
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23 Jan 10 - 01:01 AM (#2819150) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: GUEST,Allen in OZ Oh yes " Moody River " AD |
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23 Jan 10 - 02:53 PM (#2819716) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Paul Burke "Walker Hill and Byker Shore (as sung by Bert Lloyd) are non-existant. " .. drifting into Monday Greens, I looked in one of my wife's ancient manuscript song books, and read the line "Bike a hill and walk ashore"... |
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23 Jan 10 - 04:04 PM (#2819779) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Richard Mellish Sue, > For some odd reason, despite following the signs, I couldn't find it! drove round and round, and gave up in the end, frustrated... I wondered if the leprechauns had hidden it for the day... < A clear case of the seachrán sidhe (spelling?), the fairy straying, when the people-whose-name-shouldn't-be-mentioned turn the road around. The standard remedy is to take off your coat or jacket and put it on inside out. Richard |
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23 Jan 10 - 04:08 PM (#2819782) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Charley Noble Purely imaginary places: "Port o' Dreams" as C. Fox Smith's version of Fiddler's Dream. "Morrow" as in "The Train to Morrow." Davy Jones Locker No longer existing places: Whatever "Mr. Peobody's coal train hauled away" in Country Roads; it's no longer there. "Sailortown" mentioned in many sea songs and which has been largely replaced by dockmalls and condominiums. Charley Noble |
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23 Jan 10 - 06:09 PM (#2819873) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: GUEST Richard I knew in my bones it was something like that! and then I thought, maybe they have a very good reason for not letting me go there today... Does it work with cardigans too? :) |
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23 Jan 10 - 06:10 PM (#2819874) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: GUEST,suegorgeous och, begorrah begosh, forgot AGAIN... that was me last post (I shall be SO glad to get home next week!) |
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25 Jan 10 - 08:03 AM (#2820909) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Mr Happy Nirvana Shangrila Valhalla |
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25 Jan 10 - 08:18 AM (#2820924) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: GUEST,Long Lankin The song refers to "Byker Hill" and "Walker Shore" not the other way around. So they are real geopraphic locations - "shore" referring to the riverside |
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25 Jan 10 - 08:31 AM (#2820938) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Dave the Gnome Funnily enough what I actualy said was that I assumed the Hill and Shore to be colliery names but on further investigation it seems that the Colliery was Walker Hill - Look it up yourselves. I'm not doing all your homework. I have also found a reference to Byker Hill being a place in 1794. From the North of England Instiute of mining records - Reference: NRO 3410/Wat/3/110/11 Creation dates: 31 Dec 1794 Scope and Content Terms of a lease of a piece of ground at Byker Hill from John Lawson to Messrs Bells, Brown and Co It is also pretty reasonable to assume that, locally, the Tyne's edge at Walker would be called Walker Shore. That's my story and I'm sticking to it:-) So, they may not exist now but they would have done at one time! Cheers DeG (Still in MooMoo Land) |
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25 Jan 10 - 08:52 AM (#2820957) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Mr Happy Don't yez mean Biker Bill and Walter Shaw [The Kipper Family] When I've had enough of Penny I would call on Gillian I would take her for a ride The bonny lass all on my pillion Biker Bill and Walter Shaw Jollier lads you never saw Biker Bill and Walter Shaw Jollier lads you never saw When I first came to the pits I found me bike was all in bits Then along come Walter Shaw He's the man who tunes me Harley Walter's worth his weight in gold That's more than two hundred pounds He did a skid without his lid And now he's only half a crown If I had another gill Then Penny wouldn't ride along with me She hates it when I drink and drive She loves a man who is T.T. Walter Shaw he had a pig He hit it with a shovel and it danced a jig Now he has been took away By a man from the RSPCA |
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25 Jan 10 - 09:27 AM (#2820979) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Boho Sugar Mountain (Neil Young) |
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25 Jan 10 - 09:45 AM (#2820990) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: C. Ham Whatever "Mr. Peobody's coal train hauled away" in Country Roads; it's no longer there. Mr. Peabody's coal train was in John Prine's "Paradise," not John Denver's "Country Roads." |
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25 Jan 10 - 09:46 AM (#2820991) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Mr Happy ........I heard someone sing it as 'Mr Coalbody's Pee Train!' |
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25 Jan 10 - 10:07 AM (#2821002) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Dave MacKenzie Here's what Bert Lloyd sang, as opposed to "Byker Hill and Walker Shore", both of which I visited frequently when I lived in Newcastle. If Walker Hill and Byker Shore were actual collieries, I shall be delighted to stand corrected. WALKER HILL AND BYKER SHORE Oh, Walker Hill and Byker Shore, me boys, Collier lads for evermore, me boys, Oh, Walker Hill and Byker Shore, me boys, Collier lads for evermore. My lassie, she sits ower late up, My hinnie, she sits ower late up, My Ginnie, she sits ower late up, Betwixt the pint pot and the cup. And down the pits we'll go, me laddies, And down the pits we'll go, me marrows; We'll try our will and use our skill To cut them ridges down below. My lassie, she is never near; My hinnie, she is never near, And when I call out, "Where's me supper?" She orders up another cup of beer. Hey! Ginnie, come home to your little baby! Hey! Hinnie, come home to your little baby! Hey! Ginnie, come home to your little baby! With a pint of beer all under your arm. The poor coal-cutter gets two shillin', The deputy gets half-a-crown, And the overman gets five-and-sixpence Just for ridin' up and down. As sung by A L Lloyd on Transatlantic LP XTRA5023, "The Best of A L Lloyd". |
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25 Jan 10 - 10:24 AM (#2821021) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Charley Noble C.Ham- Good catch, Country Roads and Paradise! Here's a lovely imaginary place in a gospel song: Words and music by F.M. Lehman © 1914 Rodeheaver's Gospel Songs, © 1922, pp. 34-35 No Disappointment in Heaven There's no disappointment in heaven, No weariness, sorrow or pain; No hearts that are bleeding or broken, No song with a minor refrain; The clouds of our earthly horizon Will never appear in the sky, For all will be sunshine and gladness, With never a sob nor a sigh Chorus: I'm bound for that beautiful city, My Lord has prepared for His own; Where all the redeemed of all ages Sing "glory" around the white throne; Sometimes I grow homesick for heaven, And the glories I there shall behold: What a joy that will be when my Savior I see, In that beautiful city of gold. We'll never pay rent for our mansion, The taxes will never come due; Our garments will never grow threadbare, But always be fadeless and new; We'll never be hungry nor thirsty, Nor languish in poverty there, For all the rich bounties of heaven His sanctified children will share. (CHO) They'll never be crepe on the doorknob, No funeral train in the sky; No graves on the hillsides of glory, For there we shall nevermore die; The old will be young there forever, Transformed in a moment of time; Immortal we'll stand in His likeness, The stars and the sun to outshine. (CHO) Charley Noble |
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25 Jan 10 - 10:24 AM (#2821023) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Jim Carroll Sue, Sorry, missed your post. No more details at present - Hy Brasil is the 'fourth' Aran Island. Jim Hy Brasil, the Isle of the Blessed, is possibly a legacy from ancient paganism, which placed its Tirnan-oge, The Land of Youth, in the waves 'on the west side down from Aran, where goes the sun to its couch.' The desire for the ageless, deathless land prevailed all up the western coast, and was strong in Kilkee in 1868-78, and perhaps even still. I myself saw the mirage several times in 1872 giving the prefect image of a shadowy island with wooded hills and tall towers springing into sight for a moment as the sun sank below the horizon. I have also heard from Kilkee fishermen legends, like that embodied in the verses of Gerald Griffin, of men starting seaward to reach its fairy shores, and never returning. Another magic island was Kilstuitheen, or Kilstuiffen, in Liscannor Bay. On the southern shore, in 1839, there was said to have been an ecclesiastical city swallowed up by the earthquake that split Innis Fitae into the present three islands, which suggests derivation from O'Conor's then recent version of the various Irish Annals. On the northern shore the tradition was fuller. Kilstuitheen sank when its chieftain lost its golden key in battle, nor will it be restored until the key is recovered from its hiding place, under the ogham-inscribed gravestone of 'Conan' on Mount Callan. (When that place was dug out only bones and rusted iron were found.) The island, with its golden-roofed palaces, churches, and towers, may at times be seen shining far below the waves, but once in seven years it rises above them, and those who see it then are said to die before its next appearance. The fishermen 'point how high the billows roll above lost Kilsafeen, Its palaces and towers of pride All buried in the rushing tide And deep-sea waters green.' |
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25 Jan 10 - 10:27 AM (#2821026) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Dave the Gnome Well, I did say you need to look it up yourself but I am feeling generous! Walker Hill Colliery One out of two ain't bad. Besides, don't all collieries have the roofs shored up so Byker shore would have existed as well:-) DeG |
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25 Jan 10 - 10:29 AM (#2821028) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Uncle_DaveO Big Rock-Candy Mountain? |
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25 Jan 10 - 10:30 AM (#2821029) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Uncle_DaveO Oh, I see someone beat me to that one. |
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25 Jan 10 - 10:33 AM (#2821035) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Dave the Gnome BTW - I lived in Whitley Bay and worked in Newcastle centre for a year so got to know all the devious cut throughs around Byker and Walker when the coast road was clogged up and the fact that neither Hill or Shore exist today is spot on - But then again Inkerman, Sebastapol and Jericho no longer exist at Ribblehead but they did once:-) Cheers DeG |
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25 Jan 10 - 04:09 PM (#2821326) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: GUEST,sue gorgeous in hannover Jim "I myself saw the mirage several times in 1872" Err, really... ?? wouldn't have put you at QUITE that age meself... :) |
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25 Jan 10 - 04:39 PM (#2821347) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Joybell The Blue Side of Lonsome. I believe it's right next to the Heart Break Hotel. Probably a long way from "My Isle of Golden Dreams" Cheers, Joy |
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25 Jan 10 - 04:40 PM (#2821349) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Joybell e left out the e |
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25 Jan 10 - 04:51 PM (#2821360) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: John MacKenzie Always thought it was Walker Shaw, shaw means coppice or wooded area Shaw It is also used in Hamish Henderson's 51st Division's farewell To Sicily. Fare weel ye banks o' Sicily, fare ye weel, ye valleys an' shaws |
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25 Jan 10 - 04:53 PM (#2821362) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Rafflesbear Cockaigne - as in Goodbye Cockaigne |
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26 Jan 10 - 08:53 AM (#2821609) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Dave the Gnome left out the e You know the joke about that, Joybell? A man's wife dies and during the funeral arrangle ments he tell's teh monumental mason that, as a very Godly person, she would like 'She was thine' carved on the tombstone. When he see's it for the first time it says 'She was thin'. Of course he goes to cmplain and tells the mason that he had left out the 'e'. On the next visit the inscription says 'E, she was thin'... :D (eG) |
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26 Jan 10 - 09:14 AM (#2821621) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Mr Happy David el Gnomo, 'E, she was thin'... LOL!! [the old jokes're the best!] |
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27 Jan 10 - 06:54 AM (#2822403) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Mr Happy On a dark desert highway Cool wind in my hair Warm smell of colitis Rising up through the air ............ ........ ........ Welcome to the Hotel California! |
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27 Jan 10 - 09:34 AM (#2822517) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Charley Noble From Wikipedia: "Oleanna" is a Norwegian folk song that was translated into English and popularized by former Weavers member Pete Seeger. Charley Noble |
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27 Jan 10 - 09:59 AM (#2822543) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Mary Humphreys Back to Bohenny in Georgie/Geordie. In Vaughan Williams' song collection made in Ccambridgeshire during the years 1906-1908 he picked up a version of Georgie where the deer sales were made in Den/Fen Caney. ( It depends on how you read his handwriting, which was ambiguous at best.) It stands to reason that local singers would never have heard of Bohenny ( I can't think of anywhere local with a name like that) but a Fen Caney would have been plausible.( Fens are rather common thereabouts!) |
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27 Jan 10 - 10:35 AM (#2822581) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Dave MacKenzie John, I'd have thought it was Walker Shaw too if I hadn't seen it written down. They Sassunachs aye talk gey funny. |
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31 Jan 10 - 07:07 PM (#2826838) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: GUEST,2581 Whatever "Mr. Peobody's coal train hauled away" in Country Roads; it's no longer there. Mr. Peabody's coal train was in John Prine's "Paradise," not John Denver's "Country Roads." True. In addition, all of the geographical references in Prine's song - Muhlenberg County, the Green River, the town of Paradise, etc. - do exist. And if you have ever seen Muhlenberg County (KY), you would realize that Mr. Peabody's coal train has, in fcat, hauled away half of the county... The strip mining there is horrendous... |
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31 Jan 10 - 07:27 PM (#2826848) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Leadfingers 100 |
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31 Jan 10 - 08:06 PM (#2826871) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: mousethief I'm not sure the existence of towns in North America called "El Dorado" really puts paid to the question. It's an imaginary town in song and legend (as one says), and going and naming a real town after it doesn't change that, nor make the songs and legends suddenly "about" the real town. They're still about the imaginary town. (Barring somebody writing a tongue-in-cheek song about one of the imitations.) O..O =o= |
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02 Feb 11 - 09:24 AM (#3087214) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: GUEST Is Tecumseh Valley a real place? |
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02 Feb 11 - 09:31 AM (#3087223) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Jack Campin The Lakes of Pontchartrain (all but one of them). |
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02 Feb 11 - 06:12 PM (#3087555) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: GUEST,JTT There actually is a Glocamara in Cork. Though the geography in the song is a bit freehand, if you take a look at the map. |
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02 Feb 11 - 06:51 PM (#3087570) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Jack Campin In the Redgum song: the rain never falls on the dusty Diamantina In today's report from the Australian Bureau of Meteorology: Diamantina River: Minor flooding is occurring at Monkira. |
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02 Feb 11 - 08:02 PM (#3087602) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: maple_leaf_boy I'm not sure if Tecumseh Valley is a real place. There is a Tecumseh Court, several communities named Tecumseh, and a Mount Tecumseh, but I haven't found a Tecumseh Valley. It could be fictional. |
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02 Feb 11 - 10:19 PM (#3087658) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Allen in Oz Paradise |
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03 Feb 11 - 10:45 AM (#3087882) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: GUEST Paradise, as mentioned in the John Prine song of the same name, is in Kentucky http://www.jpshrine.org/picshow/paradise/paradise.html But maybe Honah Lee? "Puff, the magic dragon lived by the seaAnd frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called honah lee" |
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03 Feb 11 - 12:24 PM (#3087936) Subject: RE: Imaginary places in song?? From: Snuffy No, Honiley is a real place in Warwickshire, England. Of course the sea has receded quite a bit since Puff's days |