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31 Jan 10 - 04:47 AM (#2826196) Subject: Cunning peasants and Mudcat search From: Thompson I'm desultorily wondering what songs there are about cunning peasants. The Rustical Farmer comes to mind, as does Arthur McBride, with its mockery of the recruiters' offers. Tried searching Mudcat, but the search seems to have completely given up the ghost. Is the database now just too huge to search? |
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31 Jan 10 - 05:13 AM (#2826204) Subject: RE: Cunning peasants and Mudcat search From: Sandra in Sydney well, using my favourite search method, a Google site search - "cunning peasants" site:mudcat.org - the only reference was to this thread! As Mudcat search is playing up & has been periodically for a long time - (ps. Max is working on fixing it) - I always use Google site search try other phrases or titles that come to mind & good luck! sandra |
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31 Jan 10 - 05:35 AM (#2826212) Subject: RE: Cunning peasants and Mudcat search From: Jack Campin Lovely Joan. |
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31 Jan 10 - 05:41 AM (#2826214) Subject: RE: Cunning peasants and Mudcat search From: ClaireBear While Gamekeepers Lie Sleeping. |
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31 Jan 10 - 05:49 AM (#2826221) Subject: RE: Cunning peasants and Mudcat search From: Paul Burke Box on her Head Basket of Eggs |
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31 Jan 10 - 06:00 AM (#2826230) Subject: RE: Cunning peasants and Mudcat search From: Mr Happy Eynsham Poaching Song |
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31 Jan 10 - 06:21 AM (#2826245) Subject: RE: Cunning peasants and Mudcat search From: Artful Codger "The Land"--words by Rudyard Kipling, setting by Peter Bellamy. Generations of cunning peasants. |
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31 Jan 10 - 06:38 AM (#2826253) Subject: RE: Cunning peasants and Mudcat search From: MGM·Lion The Husbandman & the Serving Man |
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31 Jan 10 - 11:36 AM (#2826426) Subject: RE: Cunning peasants and Mudcat search From: Thompson By the way, the Arthur McBride I'm talking about isn't the Great War one, but "I have a young cousin called Arthur McBride, he and I took a stroll down by the seaside". |
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31 Jan 10 - 06:38 PM (#2826807) Subject: RE: Cunning peasants and Mudcat search From: Paul Burke Don't mix up Arthur with Willie. |
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31 Jan 10 - 08:37 PM (#2826883) Subject: RE: Cunning peasants and Mudcat search From: Joe_F We don't properly have peasants in the U.S., but there is that conversation between the farmer and the traveler that ends "You don't know much, do you?" "Maybe not, but I ain't lost." |
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31 Jan 10 - 09:13 PM (#2826905) Subject: RE: Cunning peasants and Mudcat search From: Artful Codger That's from "The Arkansas Traveler". (Gid Tanner's version?) |
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01 Feb 10 - 04:53 AM (#2827040) Subject: RE: Cunning peasants and Mudcat search From: The Doctor You could also look at these ones: Blow away the morning dew (original version) The maid on the shore The highwayman outwitted Sweet Joan (as opposed to Lovely Joan) The Crockery Ware Young Maidenhead The Christmas Goose The Oyster Girl (song, not tune) Peggy and the Squire These are all songs in which a clever girl outwits a presumtuous man. Whether all the girls are peasants depends on your definition. |
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01 Feb 10 - 05:12 AM (#2827050) Subject: RE: Cunning peasants and Mudcat search From: peregrina Hamish Henderson's Ballad of the Men of Knoydart |
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01 Feb 10 - 01:14 PM (#2827369) Subject: RE: Cunning peasants and Mudcat search From: PoppaGator Computers, even at Mudcat, cannot search for a general idea or overall quality ("cunning") ~ only for specific combinations of characters (in other words, words). If there were indeed a lyric that contained the phrase "cunning peasants," verbatim, it would have come up. That the search function was unable to translate your articulation of an overall concept into identifible snippets of text is not its fault. It's your job to figure out what "keywords" might appear in a song lyric that meets your criteria. |
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02 Feb 10 - 07:46 AM (#2828032) Subject: RE: Cunning peasants and Mudcat search From: Thompson Joe F, why do you think you don't have peasants in America? |
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02 Feb 10 - 08:04 AM (#2828048) Subject: RE: Cunning peasants and Mudcat search From: Jack Campin Futuresaurus is confused. What they are describing is the proletariat, not the peasantry. Peasants are tied to a patch of land, somebody in an urban McJob isn't. The process Futuresaurus describes is the same one that Marx saw happening 150 years ago - as capitalism comes apart, the lower bourgeoisie become proletarianized and the proletarians get poorer. As is common in American political discourse, Futuresaurus is borrowing from Marx but doesn't have the guts to say where their ideas come from. |
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02 Feb 10 - 06:29 PM (#2828554) Subject: RE: Cunning peasants and Mudcat search From: Joe_F Thompson: The link you give uses the word "peasant" in a way that is unfamiliar to me & that is not defined. For me (see the OED) it means "one who lives in the country and works on the land, either as a small farmer or as a labourer". The word originally (and for me still) connotes foreignness, with respect to Britain and (by extension) with respect to English-speaking countries; the corresponding native is a *yeoman* and (according to my prejudices) quite a different (& superior) fellow. "Peasant" comes from France, and you can get a good idea of why, for me & probably a lot of others, it is a dysphemic word by reading Kipling's "Norman and Saxon". (Unfortunately, if I go away to dig up a link, I will lose what I have written here, so you'll have to do your own Googling.) |
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02 Feb 10 - 06:47 PM (#2828579) Subject: RE: Cunning peasants and Mudcat search From: Amos The one that comes to mind is the one of the Irishman in jail who wrote his aged father telling him not to dig up the garden because that's where the guns were buried. Needless to say he got his potato bed turned for him, by burly redcoats. A |