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23 Feb 10 - 04:03 PM (#2847982) Subject: BS: A Proposal on State Budget Woes... From: Bobert Well, well, well... Seems that almost all of the states are suffering from serious budgetary woes and, like Virginia may soon be doing, cutting funds for public education... The firet things that will get the ax will be the afterschool programs that involve a brain... You know, like the German Club or the Chess Club... Student to teacher ratios will also increase and SOLs (Standard of Learning) tets will be watered down to meet the new crop of students... Everything will be cut, except... ...football!?!?!?????... Why not footbal??? It costs billions and billions of doallars every year and what do we get from it??? Concusssions, broken bones, pissed off and sometimes drunken dads in thre bleachers acting like Charlie Manson... I mean, let's get real here... If we collectively think that part of the US ever again being competitive in the global economy wouldn't it make more sense to cut the billions that go into football and spend it on, ahhhhhhh, education??? Duhhhhh... (But then where would you get all the pro football players, BOberdz??? And how about college football???) Well, ya' wouldn't!!! Think about it!!! B~ p.s. And I am a faithful Washington Redskins fan and played football in high school... No matter... Times is tough, ain't they??? |
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23 Feb 10 - 04:37 PM (#2848020) Subject: RE: BS: A Proposal on State Budget Woes... From: Amos GREAT idea, Bobez. Take them off the gridiron and onto the brainiron. A |
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23 Feb 10 - 05:07 PM (#2848054) Subject: RE: BS: A Proposal on State Budget Woes... From: Q (Frank Staplin) Football is a moneymaker for many universities; A season at Alabama or Michigan produces millions of dollars for the school. Salaries of coaches at larger universities may be more than $1 million a year. Players with exceptional skills are contracted by professional teams, they become millionaires upon graduation or even before. Successful athletes, in their role as models for youth, are idolized by wannabe high-schoolers and smaller fry all over the country. It becomes important for high schools to have good athletic programs (emphasis on football) or citizens will complain loudly that students are being denied the fundamentals of citizenship and their urge to become leaders in their city and country. I could continue, but I don't know whether to laugh or cry. |
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23 Feb 10 - 05:21 PM (#2848071) Subject: RE: BS: A Proposal on State Budget Woes... From: Bobert Oh??? Making money and production are two different concepts... What does football actually produce??? Yeah, some programs may make money but produce absolutely nothin', other than broken bodies for which runs up our health care costs... Hey, Q... I know this is very far-fetched but if it were put to state legislative branches then these folks would find ways to not make even further cuts to education... Virginia's new governor has come into office sayin' that one of ther first things he'll cut is education??? Hmmmmmmm??? Hey, I'm not saying that we couldn't get more bang for our education buck... That isn't the point... The point is that balancing budgets at the expense of education, with high school football being untouchable, isn't prudent or wise over the long run... B~ |
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23 Feb 10 - 05:37 PM (#2848093) Subject: RE: BS: A Proposal on State Budget Woes... From: Rapparee GET THE POLITICIANS OUT OF POLITICS!!! |
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23 Feb 10 - 05:37 PM (#2848094) Subject: RE: BS: A Proposal on State Budget Woes... From: KB in Iowa Football is a moneymaker for many universities; A season at Alabama or Michigan produces millions of dollars for the school. At most schools that money stays within the athletic department. The general student population doesn't see any of it. Some years ago the U of Iowa athletic dept gave some $ to the general fund and it was reported as being a very unusual step. I am not anti-sports by any stretch but the amount of money and attention paid at all levels seems out of all proportion the what I think it ought to be. |
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23 Feb 10 - 05:38 PM (#2848096) Subject: RE: BS: A Proposal on State Budget Woes... From: Q (Frank Staplin) Bobert, thats why, after writing what the status is, I finished by saying I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. Funds, I think, are mis-directed, but that's not the view of the general public. |
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23 Feb 10 - 06:18 PM (#2848141) Subject: RE: BS: A Proposal on State Budget Woes... From: catspaw49 It ain't that I don't git it thair ol'Bud but............ Think about it. How much does football produce? Start with ticket sales and gas sold (yeah, I know) on the way. Then there are the hotel rooms and restaurants and bars which do well on those football weekends. And then there are the assorted vendors of crappola and teamwear and all that............... But let's look at this one.......Ohio State football revenues from TV and other funding operate a gigantic portion of the University including making them eligible for a loan and tax breaks to build another monstrous medical center on the Main Campus which will employ a boatload of folks in the construction and 6000 jobs when it opens. The city then gave them additional tax breaks concurrent with finishing the new center and OSU agreed to renovate a large section of east Columbus as an adjunct to the housing already there. Now I am aware that all that didn't happen because of Buckeye football but without it, it would have been a non-starter. And if I had a dime for everything and everybody from office buildings and houses to baby onesies, this whole damn area is adorned in Scarlet and Gray. Its an idea Bobertz but I don't think the dog gonna' hunt. Spaw |
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23 Feb 10 - 06:29 PM (#2848151) Subject: RE: BS: A Proposal on State Budget Woes... From: Bobert Hey wait, Spawzer... How about a chess tounament in the middle of Buckeye Stadium??? You ain't dealin' with no lightweight hillbilly here... No, sir... |
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23 Feb 10 - 06:52 PM (#2848182) Subject: RE: BS: A Proposal on State Budget Woes... From: catspaw49 I'm sorry there is no Buckeye stadium......Ohio Stadium is called the Horseshoe or just "The Shoe" ......Now if you can bring along 102,329 friends to fill the joint, I will be glad to accept! Spaw |
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23 Feb 10 - 07:21 PM (#2848216) Subject: RE: BS: A Proposal on State Budget Woes... From: Richard Bridge Well, I believe that American football and Association football do have uses. Without them what would you do with the boneheaded psychopaths and sociopaths who can't do anything else except stand around street corners and look threatening or go dogging? Well, I suppose in the North American continent you could let them play ice hockey in stead. |
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23 Feb 10 - 07:22 PM (#2848218) Subject: RE: BS: A Proposal on State Budget Woes... From: Richard Bridge Or basketball. |
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23 Feb 10 - 07:37 PM (#2848230) Subject: RE: BS: A Proposal on State Budget Woes... From: Bobert Heck, send 'um to Afganistan 'er, ahhhhhhhh.... No, I got a better idea... No I don't... |
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23 Feb 10 - 08:28 PM (#2848271) Subject: RE: BS: A Proposal on State Budget Woes... From: Q (Frank Staplin) Well, Congress or the Supreme Court could absorb some professional football players. Whizzer White became a Supreme Court justice. Jack Kemp, Steve Largent, Chester Chesney, and Ruben Hinojosa to name four who became Congressmen. I think there are more- Oxendine coached at Georgia |
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23 Feb 10 - 09:09 PM (#2848305) Subject: RE: BS: A Proposal on State Budget Woes... From: Rapparee That explains those congressmen: TBI from football. |
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23 Feb 10 - 10:51 PM (#2848348) Subject: RE: BS: A Proposal on State Budget Woes... From: Bobert Lemme see... Fottball = concussions = politicans??? Okay, I get that... B~ |
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24 Feb 10 - 01:35 PM (#2848938) Subject: RE: BS: A Proposal on State Budget Woes... From: KB in Iowa We (me included) got off the track. The original post was not about the money involved in college sports, it was about HS budgets. These are being cut and sports are not being hit the same as other things are. My wife is a school librarian and has been telling me about the cuts they are facing. Her district has eight elementary schools and these will be run by a total of two librarians. There is no way one person can run four school libraries and be effective. The library aides are being cut as well. My wife will be in charge of the two middle school libraries and even that will be stretching her mighty thin. The regular classroom teachers are are also being let go or not replaced when they retire. The teachers have been discussing the fact that the sports programs are not feeling the same pain. Public schools are not like college in their funding. At the U of Iowa the athletic budget is self-contained, no general fund money is used. Public schools are much more in the way of drawing money out of one big pot. Some areas are getting a smaller ladle than others. As an aside Bobert, I love the name your state gave their high stakes tests. Virginia SOL |
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24 Feb 10 - 02:29 PM (#2848993) Subject: RE: BS: A Proposal on State Budget Woes... From: beardedbruce Bobert, I guess you must be wrong on this topic, since I agree 100% with you. The athletic program at most schools takes in less than the amount spent on it- otherwise, why would they require special "student athletic fees " (none of which go to the phys ed. dept, just to the team sports that supposedly are bring in money. |
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24 Feb 10 - 08:56 PM (#2849416) Subject: RE: BS: A Proposal on State Budget Woes... From: GUEST,999 It is almost inevitable that when budgets need to be slimmed down,the three biggioes get it in the neck: Health, Education and Social Services. See it all the time in Alberta. So, how'd Bush's "No Child Left Behind" work out? |
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24 Feb 10 - 09:30 PM (#2849432) Subject: RE: BS: A Proposal on State Budget Woes... From: Bobert Heck, if BB agrees with me I must rethink my podistion... lol... Good post, KB in Iowa... B~ |
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25 Feb 10 - 06:39 AM (#2849651) Subject: RE: BS: A Proposal on State Budget Woes... From: beardedbruce from Oliver: A man's got a heart, hasn't he? Joking apart -- hasn't he? And tho' I'd be the first one to say that I wasn't a saint... I'm finding it hard to be really as black as they paint... I'm reviewing the situation Can a fellow be a villain all his life? All the trials and tribulations! Better settle down and get myself a wife. And a wife would cook and sew for me, And come for me, and go for me, The fingers, she will wag at me. The money whe will take me. A misery, she'll make from me... ...I think I'd better thing it out again! A wife you can keep, anyway I'd rather sleep, anyway. Left without anyone in the world, And I'm starting from now So "how to win friends and to influence people" --So how? I'm reviewing the situation, I must quickly look up ev'ryone I know. Titled people -- with a station -- Who can help me make a real impressive show! I will own a suite at Claridges, And run a fleet of carriages, And wave at all the duchesses With friendliness, as much as is Befitting of my new estate... "Good morrow to you, magistrate!" Oh gawd! ...I think I'd better think it out again. So where shall I go -- somebody? Who do I know? Nobody! All my dearest companions Have always been villains and thieves... So at my time of life I should start turning over new leaves...? I'm reviewing the situation. If you want to eat -- you've got to earn a bob! Is it such a humiliation For a robber to perform an honest job? So a job I'm getting, possibly, I wonder who my boss'll be? I wonder if he'll take to me...? What bonuses he'l make to me...? I'll start at eight and finish late, At normal rate, and all..but wait! ...I think I'd better think it out again. What happens when I'm seventy? Must come a time...seventy. When you're old, and it's cold And who cares if you live or you die, Your one consolation's the money You may have put by... I'm reviewing the situation. I'm a bad 'un and a bad 'un I shall stay! You'll be seeing no transformation, But it's wrong to be a rogue in ev'ry way. I don't want nobody hurt for me, Or made to do the dirt for me. This rotten life is not for me. It's getting far too hot for me. Don't want no one to rob for me. But who will find a job for me, There is no in between for me But who will change the scene for me? ...I think I'd better think it out again! Hey! |
