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01 Mar 10 - 07:59 AM (#2852904) Subject: Folklore: Should pitchers be requiredforfolkvenues From: *#1 PEASANT* When you go into establishments that serve alcoholic beverages these days it seems that there is a movement to stop the sale of beverages by the large pitcher. While this might be done to make more money by charging more for single beers and yes sometimes there is a discount for a pitcher (after all it does save the waitstaff considerale labor) the place could still at any time charge the same rate by the pitcher as by the glass after doing the math. Generally I feel that this transition from pitcher to individual serving is done to keep customers from consuming their required dosage of drink. Some places that do serve pitchers limit consumption to one. No matter how big a person is or how well trained in the fine art of mass consumption. My wife who would be on the floor after a pticher gets a whole one while I who need no limits find myself short of the proper dose. So there is a stifling of freedom involved. At folk venues especially when music is playing getting to the bar is often difficult- pitchers make constant movement to the bar unnecessary. Also the wait staff do not have to move through the audience so often. If people want their proper measure why not make it easier. Places would sell more and customers woiuld stay longer. But is political correctitude to be the driving force what do you think. Let us build an international movement of folk solidarity to make the pitcher the standard. Conrad |
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01 Mar 10 - 09:09 AM (#2852969) Subject: RE: Folklore: Should pitchers be requiredforfolkvenues From: GUEST,mayomick When I saw the thread name about pitchers at venues I thought you were talking about pitch pipes to make sure folkies stay in tune with each other. Not really a musical question this one. The bit about it being especially difficult to get to the bar at folk venues is obviously a desperate ploy to keep the thread above the BS zone coming from somebody who wants to make out that his musical rather than his drinking enjoyment is being spoiled by having to make 'constant movements' to the bar . What about having to make constant movements to the toilet after drinking all the pitchers - that wouldn't spoil your musical enjoyment would it? Only kidding , I like pitchers as well and plenty of them . |
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01 Mar 10 - 09:13 AM (#2852974) Subject: RE: Folklore: Should pitchers be requiredforfolkvenues From: Dave MacKenzie I thought it was a thread about baseball. Pitchers are ok if everybody's drinking the same, but if you're in a session where you're involved in nearly every song or tune, getting up to the bar every now and then is a welcome relief. |
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01 Mar 10 - 09:49 AM (#2853016) Subject: RE: Folklore: Should pitchers be requiredforfolkvenues From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe Do you not have pint glasses in the US? The perfect size for most draft beers. |
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01 Mar 10 - 09:55 AM (#2853025) Subject: RE: Folklore: Should pitchers be requiredforfolkvenues From: melodeonboy I'm all in favour of pitchers. Especially a nice Rembrandt or a Monet. Always provides a nice backdrop for the performer, I like to think, and adds a bit of sophistication to the proceedings. |
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01 Mar 10 - 09:57 AM (#2853028) Subject: RE: Folklore: Should pitchers be requiredforfolkvenues From: Mr Red Pitchers at folk venues? Would that be a double-base ball venue? |
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01 Mar 10 - 10:43 AM (#2853064) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Dave the Gnome I think anyone caught pitching beer should be stopped from buying any more. They are obviously pissed. |
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01 Mar 10 - 10:46 AM (#2853071) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Richard Bridge It's like quaffing. You need to perfect the loft on the throw when pitching. |
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01 Mar 10 - 10:47 AM (#2853072) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Bernard They should simply supply tubes to enable you to plumb yourself in to the nearest cask of ale. No need for 'pitchers' (we call 'em jugs, but we also call ladies' wobbly bits 'jugs', too!), bottles, cans, glasses or tankards! |
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01 Mar 10 - 11:05 AM (#2853089) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: michaelr Should #1 Peasant be required to start no maore than six silly threads per week? |
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01 Mar 10 - 12:43 PM (#2853184) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: *#1 PEASANT* A single pint sufficient....must be one of the new generation more like 9-12 more likely.... |
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01 Mar 10 - 01:08 PM (#2853214) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Spleen Cringe One at a time, silly! |
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01 Mar 10 - 01:41 PM (#2853252) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Bonzo3legs Just as an aside, a place in a local detox unit costs £480 per week - not something that you drink obsessed people want to be landed with! |
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01 Mar 10 - 02:51 PM (#2853304) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: GUEST,nickp (cookieless) Spleen Crindge, for curiosity, U.S. pints are only 16 fl.oz. compared to our 20. Can make buying fuel interesting too if you want to think in gallons... |
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01 Mar 10 - 03:02 PM (#2853316) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Spleen Cringe Eek! That's a bit unfair on Americans, innit?... |
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01 Mar 10 - 03:31 PM (#2853350) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: PoppaGator I'm puzzled at the mention of a one-to-a-customer limit on pitchers of beer: A) How could this possibly be enforced? Do they stamp your hand when you purchase a pitcher? B) It seems to be based on the assumption that that each pitcher is normally consumed by a single individual. Everywhere I've ever I would offer this advice to Mr. and Mrs. #1 Peasant: rather than buy two pitchers at once, and then have one of you fail to drain hers while the other sucks all of his down and remains unsatisifed, why not buy one, each drink at his/her accustomed pace, and then buy another? Some bars sell draft beer by the pitcher and some don't. Some even sell beer only by the bottle or can, with no draft (draught) available at all. The pitcher option indeed allows fewer trips to the bar for refills. Choose your folk-club venue accordingly! |
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01 Mar 10 - 05:20 PM (#2853472) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Dave MacKenzie The pint was normally 16floz in the 18th century. The Imperial (20floz) pint became the British standard in the early 19th century. Was this to make it closer to the half litre? |
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01 Mar 10 - 05:39 PM (#2853488) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Valmai Goodyear I find that buying two four-pint jugs of Harveys Best Bitter sees me nicely through an evening at the Lewes Saturday Folk Club in the Elephant & Castle , saving me the physical fatigue and nervous strain which would otherwise be caused by going up and down the stairs past the Angel of Death eight times. Valmai (Lewes, Sussex, UK) |
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01 Mar 10 - 05:40 PM (#2853489) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: *#1 PEASANT* Yes we buy one then the other- she drinks diet coke as she is the designated wife. What do you mean only one person per pitcher. Even large size pitchers- I get to the bottom well before it is any where near cold. I have had the best beer drinking training in the world- three years at the university of maryland Munich where liters were the rule, and where I met the anglo irish crowd then a year at Durham in the NE Uk where I was raised on X. Training is required but once you are there you are there. Places that know me have the second one readied as I get half way through the first and that is as it should be. However with current prices.....bring out the thimble..... Conrad |
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01 Mar 10 - 05:42 PM (#2853493) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Chris Green I'd argue that if the only way you can enjoy a gig is by drinking several pitchers of beer, you're probably going to the wrong gigs.... |
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01 Mar 10 - 05:51 PM (#2853499) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Valmai Goodyear PoppaGator: 'A) How could this possibly be enforced? Do they stamp your hand when you purchase a pitcher?' Dipsticks? Valmai |
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01 Mar 10 - 06:01 PM (#2853505) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: IvanB Although the US pint is officially 16 fl. oz., most US pubs I've been to lately (admittedly only a few) offer a 20 or even 22 oz brew as a "pint" and the 16 oz as a "glass." |
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01 Mar 10 - 06:07 PM (#2853508) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk ven From: EnglishFolkfan I was brought up in a Kentish family where the mark of a consummate real ale drinker was the person at the bar buying the round was able to sink the first pint before the publican had drawn the last pint in the order. A bit like the 'bakers dozen' ~ one orders a pint more than there are people requiring drinks. As someone who survived the 'Watney's Red Barrel' era by supporting small local breweries I pray English Ale is never faced with that terror again! *hic* |
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01 Mar 10 - 06:35 PM (#2853532) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Richard Bridge The mark of a real real ale drinker is a yard in under 5 seconds. |
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01 Mar 10 - 06:37 PM (#2853534) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Dave MacKenzie I used to go into the "Castle" in Putney after work and order 2 pints of Young's Ordinary. I'd have the first pint finished before the second was poured. Something to do with the office air-conditioning! |
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01 Mar 10 - 06:46 PM (#2853548) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk ven From: Ebbie I have often gotten the feeling that people in other countries drink more than those in the US. Is that true? |
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01 Mar 10 - 08:12 PM (#2853627) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: *#1 PEASANT* no for some gigs it takes them three pitchers time just to tune up |
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01 Mar 10 - 09:12 PM (#2853670) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Rapparee Don't you think someone would get hurt with people throwing drinks around? Or do you have in mind something like cricket or baseball? |
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01 Mar 10 - 09:53 PM (#2853691) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: *#1 PEASANT* true people in the USA drink way too little but are guilty and constantly feel that they are always drinking too much and spend their time telling everyone around them that they are drinkng way to much whereas in fact in Europe the same is nothing. |
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01 Mar 10 - 10:13 PM (#2853702) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: catspaw49 Drink too little...........right.................Once again the #1 Pissant proves himself the dumbest ass in this hemisphere. Spaw |
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01 Mar 10 - 11:15 PM (#2853729) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: EBarnacle I would rather that the drink was simply handed to me rather than being thrown. |
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02 Mar 10 - 03:59 AM (#2853815) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Tangledwood I have often gotten the feeling that people in other countries drink more than those in the US. Is that true? Having tasted US beer I'd say yes, it's true. :) 'scuse me, I'm just leaving. |
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02 Mar 10 - 04:01 AM (#2853818) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Dave MacKenzie Shouldn't the thread title now be "Should drunk pitchers be required for folk venues" |
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02 Mar 10 - 04:09 AM (#2853824) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Liz the Squeak I am constantly amazed by people who feel they have only had a good time if they cannot remember a single thing and have acquired either a traffic cone, a police officers' hat or a fellow drunk on the sofa who has vomited into the plant pot. Drink should enhance an evening out, not become the reason. And if anyone is drinking 9-12 pints a week - I'm glad I'm not a GP. Plus I think I find the term 'designated wife' rather offensive. How about you give her a treat and YOU stay sober and drive HER home once in a while... or at least have the decency to thank her for driving you to drink. LTS |
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02 Mar 10 - 07:42 AM (#2853990) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: melodeonboy "9-12 pints a week" - I wish! That would be within government guidelines! I think I drink a tad more than that! |
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02 Mar 10 - 10:03 AM (#2854080) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Flashmeister I use a battered old tankard at my local session - it can withstand any amount of recklessly swung headstocks, flying bows and flailing squeezebox arms and has the dents to prove it!! |
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02 Mar 10 - 12:22 PM (#2854199) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: *#1 PEASANT* Designated wife works just fine. I go for the beer she goes for the sweets. And it is always her option. One time however in her capacity as designated wife she ran into parked car next to our truck and took out three quarter panels of that vehicle and totaled truck bed side. SOBER-Alcohol free. Must have been the sugar! |
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02 Mar 10 - 12:28 PM (#2854204) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: *#1 PEASANT* I am constantly amazed by people who feel they have only had a good time if they cannot remember a single thing and have acquired either a traffic cone, a police officers' hat or a fellow drunk on the sofa who has vomited into the plant pot. ___________________ Is just the sort of PC attitude that is ruining social occasions in USA everyone else wants to judge your personal relationship with alcohol. It is common knowledge that every person, despite laws enacted by the PC natzis, for legal definitions, has a different alcohol tolerance metabolically. Additionally significant experience goes into proper drinking you know. On the job in Germany we consumed far more beer than the average american would do in a week though absolutely no sugur syrup drinks. Drinking does not effect everyon's ability to enjoy social settings and music. Just doesnt work that way. Just because one beer will put you out do not impose limits on others. When you look at alcohol consumption in 16th - 19th centuries as I am doing academically right now. You will find that the american pc sense of moderation and abstenance is historically unique except in puritan and other societies for which abstinence was a religious belief. |
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02 Mar 10 - 12:37 PM (#2854211) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: EBarnacle A large part of that consumption was due to the fact that the available water was either unpalatable or actively dangerous to drink. Even today, we have chronic problems with chemical or bacteriological infiltration of source water in supposedly civilized water. A large portion of the world does not have unpolluted water to drink and cook with. It's just less acceptable to walk around stoned all of the time. |
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02 Mar 10 - 01:35 PM (#2854273) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Rapparee I don't see where you get the idea that folks living in what became the US from the 16th to 19th centuries drank any less than anybody else. The first 3/4ths of the 19th Century in the US was time of day-long imbibing for most of the citizens. It was only after the Temperance Movement got rolling that it slowed down -- and then not by very much. |
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02 Mar 10 - 01:56 PM (#2854294) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: eddie1 The question of drinkers being limited to one pitcher reminds me of one of my father's stories from his naval days. He was home on leave and went to a local pub which had a 1-pint ration due to shortage of supplies. Everyone was nursing their beer to make it last as long as possible. He went to the bar and asked for a pint but the barmaid said all the glasses were being used. Undeterred, he went to the next pub down the street and just inside the door was a table with two empty pint glasses. He grabbed one, took it to the bar and asked for a pint. The barmaid. perhaps related to the previous one, said, "Sorry, you're only allowed one pint and you've had yours!" Eddie |
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02 Mar 10 - 02:28 PM (#2854325) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: MikeL2 From: melodeonboy - PM Date: 02 Mar 10 - 07:42 AM < "9-12 pints a week" - I wish! That would be within government guidelines! I think I drink a tad more than that! "> Hi This reminds me of a "true" story. A UK National newspaper published a story about alcohol and health. in this they said that GP's stated that when they asked patients how much they drank they doubled the figure because they believed that most patients presented them with lower figures than they actually drank. This made some people think that maybe the actual alcohol figures are too high because of this. So one guy who said that he had not inflated his intake when asked by the doctor was concerned that he could be viewed as a heavy drinker when in fact he wasn't. He asked the doctor how should he answer and the doctor said "just be honest". So when the doctor asked him how much he drank he replied " Not as much as you". Cheers MikeL2 |
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02 Mar 10 - 02:39 PM (#2854335) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: GUEST,mayomick It's not just the Americans . I don't like to generalise , but I've found that Italians don't take the same tolerant attitude to alcohol consumption as the English Irish , Scots and Welsh do . The same to a lesser a degree applies to the French .They've got too much style is the explanation I've heard . It's got nothing to do with puritanism judging by Italian attitudes in other regards. I'm not so sure about what they are like at home ,but from what I've seen of them ,Italians do not like to be seen drunk in public .Drunk women are particularly frowned on. |
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02 Mar 10 - 03:26 PM (#2854376) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: *#1 PEASANT* No- alcohol consumption in the 16th to 17 century was social-groups of men warming themselves with alcohol not replacement for water. Sufficiently high levels of alcohol but not out of control drunkenness (fine line between) was thought to encourage thinking, creativity and remove the burdens of the world. Conrad |
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02 Mar 10 - 09:31 PM (#2854632) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk ven From: Ebbie ue people in the USA drink way too little but are guilty and constantly feel that they are always drinking too much and spend their time telling everyone around them that they are drinkng way to much whereas in fact in Europe the same is nothing." Peasant Question (seriously): Why do people - why do you drink? I like the glow that comes with the second or third glass of wine but I can't fathom the need or at least the desire to see how much or how fast I can drink. Liz the Squeak:: "I am constantly amazed by people who feel they have only had a good time if they cannot remember a single thing and have acquired either a traffic cone, a police officers' hat or a fellow drunk on the sofa who has vomited into the plant pot." I used to say about my ex husband, Liz, that he didn't think he'd had a good time the night before unless he couldn't remember it. I exaggerated but by not too much. |
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02 Mar 10 - 09:40 PM (#2854638) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Rapparee Drink was everywhere in early America. "Liquor at that time," recalled the Massachusetts carpenter Elbridge Boyden, "was used as commonly as the food we ate." Americans drank in enormous quantities. Their yearly consumption at the time of the Revolution has been estimated at the equivalent of three-and-a-half gallons of pure, two-hundred proof alcohol for each person. After 1790 American men began to drink even more. By the late 1820s imbibing had risen to an all-time high of almost four gallons per capita. (From ushistory.org) Remember, that's gallons of pure alcohol, in its undiluted form. And it wasn't limited just to the men -- women and children were also involved. |
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02 Mar 10 - 10:12 PM (#2854657) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: *#1 PEASANT* There is no need to drink fast but there is no reason to get excited about how fast a person is drinking. When there is a thirst on you you simply drink a bit faster. Probably a conditioning of the throat. Education you see. There is also a distinct difference between getting too little, enough, and way too much. All indivdually determined not to be imposed from outside. Conrad |
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03 Mar 10 - 05:54 AM (#2854785) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: melodeonboy "The pint was normally 16floz in the 18th century. The Imperial (20floz) pint became the British standard in the early 19th century. Was this to make it closer to the half litre?" I don't think it is, Dave. The American pint is 0.473 cl; the Imperial pint is 0.568 cl. I wouldn't think that either pint measure was influenced by the litre. |
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03 Mar 10 - 05:57 AM (#2854788) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Dave MacKenzie And in British pubs the pint is very often slightly less than a half litre! If you pour carefully, a 500cl bottle of beer just fits into a standard pint glass. |
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03 Mar 10 - 08:07 AM (#2854863) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: *#1 PEASANT* If you look at the effect of one pint upon the average body it is minimal. If you stop at just one or two you might as well be consuming an alcohol free product or water which would be much less expensive or for that matter some of the very tasty alcohol free beers. Conrad |
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03 Mar 10 - 08:29 AM (#2854883) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: *#1 PEASANT* Another problem with pitchers is that there are two sizes. One is much larger than the other so one must be careful. |
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03 Mar 10 - 09:04 AM (#2854912) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: manitas_at_work Which sizes? In the UK you usually only see a 4 pint pitcher. I've only ever come across one tasty alcohol-free bitter. This was Smethwicks (it wasn't entirely alcohol free) from Guinness. I suspect they dropped it as it was in competition with Kalibre ( it was entirely flavour free) which was being positioned as a premium lager and therefore more expensive. |
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03 Mar 10 - 09:26 AM (#2854929) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: *#1 PEASANT* Having gone totally on the waggon for a good year or so I went on the alcohol free beer. Some good ones out there. Guinness made a great one and there are at least two widely marketed german ones. Trouble is the have great flavor but loads of calories. I am also dealing with need for weight loss..... CB |
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03 Mar 10 - 09:35 AM (#2854940) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Dave MacKenzie Some of the German alcohol free beers almost taste like beer. |
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03 Mar 10 - 05:28 PM (#2855325) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: PoppaGator Apropos of drinking in colonial America: "hard" apple cider was the daily beverage of choice for most people. The varieties of apples under cultivation were generally much too tart to eat, and used only to make cider. The famous "Johnny Appleseed" planted cider apple trees all over the countryside and well into the frontier territories of the time. Water was still generally suspect as unhealthy, and milk was uesd primarily for butter and cheesemaking. |
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13 Mar 10 - 09:32 PM (#2863670) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: *#1 PEASANT* Being made from poor water and without flavoring your basic english ale tasted terrible as hops were a later development hence, popularity of spicing the ale- infact wassail was not really special. Beer came to the Uk in 17th century and was considered by the wine drinking elite (Ben Jonson and Canary) to be "luther's Beer" a german plague. |
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14 Mar 10 - 05:14 PM (#2864094) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Dave MacKenzie Beer came to the UK in the 17th century? Beer was being brewed in Britain long before the introduction of hopped beer by the Flemings in the 15th century! |
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14 Mar 10 - 06:59 PM (#2864152) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: *#1 PEASANT* must check my source back later- maybe it was rise of popularity. But I do have a quote..... |
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14 Mar 10 - 08:42 PM (#2864198) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Dave MacKenzie Here's another quote: "Fraoch - Heather Ale 4.1% abv Brewed in Scotland since 2000 B.C. heather ale is probably the oldest style of ale still produced in the world. From an ancient Gaelic recipe for "leann fraoch" (heather ale) it has been revived and reintroduced to the Scottish culture." |
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15 Mar 10 - 01:42 AM (#2864283) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk ven From: The Fooles Troupe "Being made from poor water and without flavoring" I don't know of any period recipe for brewing anything that didn't involve boiling the water - hence the reason why any brewed beverage was less toxic and more healthy than unsterile water... |
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15 Mar 10 - 09:41 AM (#2864459) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Folkiedave A doctor did ask me how much I drank and pointing out that I knew he would double what I said I calculated more or less exactly how much beer I had drink in the previous week. I got the "slow down", "don't drink as much", "that's disgusting", "way over government guidelines", etc.... As he went out the door I whispered "Do you want to know about the ine as well?" |
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15 Mar 10 - 09:41 AM (#2864460) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: Folkiedave "wine" of course. Sorry. |
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15 Mar 10 - 09:49 AM (#2864465) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: *#1 PEASANT* On my last vacation in the hospital.... Doctor had the staff send me a tray- it contained a glass filled with a white liquid they had something to do with cows. Amazing and the cows don't mind you drinking their stuff? Another glass had a clear liquid in it. You know it was the same stuff my wife uses to wash the dishes and the clothing. The thought of drinking that stuff really turned me off. I had answered the initial questionarre honestly. Each vital signs check night and day nurse would ask me if I was nervous I was not never had been and wasnt a problem. After about the tenth time I finally asked them why they asked. They said they had a pill for that. I said why. They said that the quack thought I might be undergoing withdrawall. I responded I beg your pardon, I am a trained athlete. Conrad |
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15 Mar 10 - 02:38 PM (#2864640) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk ven From: Jim Dixon Pitchers? I though in the UK they called them bowlers. Oh, well, I never did understand cricket. I have never seen a pitcher of beer in the UK. (I have seen some nice pictures of beer, though. I used to have a nice framed picture of the Harvey's brewery, but I accidentally left it behind when I cleared out an office I once used, and it disappeared.) Are pitchers a new development? I think the last time I was there was about 5 years ago. In the US, pitchers are commonly seen where draft beer is sold, but, as PoppaGator said, several people normally share one. With groups of 5 or more people, a pitcher normally corresponds to a "round" as in, "I'll buy the next round." (Do you use that term in the UK?) If everyone at the table buys a round (i.e. a pitcher), then, by the end of an evening, you will have consumed the equivalent of a pitcher of beer, yet I have never seen anyone buy a pitcher just for himself. If you did, people would look askance at you. They would wonder, "What's the matter with him? Doesn't he have any friends to share that with? He must be an alcoholic, to enjoy drinking alone like that." Once or twice, I have shared a pitcher with my wife, but that's more than I usually care to drink. What's the point of getting tipsy with your wife? If you're not meeting friends, what's the point of staying in a bar longer than it takes to finish a meal? Maybe we should compare sizes. (If you show me yours….) I know that in the UK, beer is sold by the pint or half-pint; that a British pint is 20 ounces; and that a British ounce is the same as an American ounce. Furthermore a British beer-glass is marked with a tiny crown to show that it has been certified to hold exactly a pint (or half-pint). In the US, a "glass" of beer is whatever size the proprietor wants to sell you. If you ask, the bartender will show you a glass before he fills it, or maybe tell you how many ounces it holds. I don't think there is a standard, but I'd guess the average "glass" holds 8 or 10 ounces. In addition, the bar will usually offer at least one larger size called a "mug" (if it has a handle) or a "schooner" (if it has a stem) or a "pint" (if it has neither). I don't think a "pint" is necessarily exactly a pint by measure. I would guess these larger sizes vary from 12 to 20 ounces. Pitchers vary in size, too. I would guess a pitcher holds four or five mugs (or whatever the bar uses as its larger size glass). |
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15 Mar 10 - 04:44 PM (#2864744) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: *#1 PEASANT* I like to shut the heat and electric off and go down to the pub and get my work done. I generally have a few books and a file or two of paperwork. I order pitchers of beer so the wait staff can have a break and it can warm up slightly and so that I dont run out so often thus having to call for a wait staffer or get up. Mainly convenience but occasionally the volume purchase will save money. I used to meet folk in the back terraces of Newcastle upon tyne who never went home enjoying the warm coal fire in the lounge bar sipping tea doing needlework singing the occasional song. One folk musician complained that I drank cheap beer- easier for him to say as the house gave him bottles of import and I had to pay for mine but never a comment or bad look. |
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16 Mar 10 - 08:46 AM (#2865188) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: mayomick I like your style Peasant . You really do seem to have living the cheap life down to a fine art , you'd probably save on toilet paper that way as well. It's nice of you to be so considerate to the waiting staff , giving them breaks by ordering your beer by the pitcher. |
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16 Mar 10 - 10:56 PM (#2865745) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: George Ellias Yes. Drink and be merry! -George |
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16 Mar 10 - 11:22 PM (#2865756) Subject: RE: Should drink pitchers be required for folk venues From: *#1 PEASANT* thank you mayomick terrible especially when eating Mexican to have to wait 20 minutes for the next bottle. I find also that ordering four bottles or so from the start perplexes the wait staff no end |
