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06 Mar 10 - 01:54 AM (#2857347) Subject: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: MGM·Lion Has anyone any idea why Yahweh should have so cocked up after the Crossing of the Red Sea? I mean, when they, "the Chosen People" remember, got across, why did he tell them to turn left?; so that now, there they are, stuck with that little bit of coastal strip ~ which they have indeed made bloom like a rose & such; OK. But, if he had used his omnipotence to look ahead a bit, wouldn't he have said to himself?, "They are my Chosen. And what will the market for milk·&·honey be in C20-21, eh?"! And then wouldn't he have told them to turn right?; ~~ and then who would have been sitting on all those luvly oil-wells now, eh? Now, why did he do that, do you think? I mean, Chosen-Schmosen! |
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06 Mar 10 - 02:40 AM (#2857354) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: CarolC Because the people who wrote the bible didn't know about oil and its value. If they had, I'm sure they would have claimed for themselves the lands that had it. |
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06 Mar 10 - 02:40 AM (#2857355) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: CarolC By the way, you're not supposed to put the vowels in there. |
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06 Mar 10 - 02:58 AM (#2857362) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: Dave Hanson And why did the Arabs get the oil and the Irish got the potatoes ? Dave H |
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06 Mar 10 - 02:59 AM (#2857364) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: McGrath of Harlow Well, if you're going by a literal reading of the Bible, Arabs are also "Children of Abraham". |
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06 Mar 10 - 04:18 AM (#2857381) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: Paul Burke Omnipotence wouldn't have helped him, omniscience is what he needed. |
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06 Mar 10 - 06:16 AM (#2857435) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: MGM·Lion As to leaving out the vowels, oh dear I forgot that bit; but he didn't seem to mind becoz I haven't dropped dead yet which just goes to proves hhhyyyyeeerrrrrkkkkkkkkkkk··················· |
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06 Mar 10 - 06:54 AM (#2857442) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: Royston There are some Arabs that believe God blessed them with all that oil, that they might be so rich and powerful and advance their marginalised beliefs about the nature of God and the worship of God. Whereas most Arabs (the ones that have not managed to seize the petrodollars for themselves) tend to regard it as a curse upon their society: some sort of punishment that brings death, murder, poverty, violent fundamentalism, foreign invasion, foreign manipulation of culture and society, foreign arming of murderous dictators so that they can extinguish dissent and keep the oil flowing out of the country. My sympathies (can you tell?) are with the latter group. Arguably, God did the Children of Israel a favour. |
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06 Mar 10 - 07:02 AM (#2857445) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: Mr Happy 'Arguably, God did the Children of Israel a favour' or as Carol C puts it, substituting 'god' for 'the people who wrote the bible' |
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06 Mar 10 - 07:09 AM (#2857453) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: Royston Indeed, Mr. Happy, |
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06 Mar 10 - 07:40 AM (#2857474) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: GUEST,Bob L Those luvly oil-wells only provide a short term advantage: WIGIG. To One whose time-span is eternity, a couple of centuries are neither here nor there. |
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06 Mar 10 - 11:35 AM (#2857585) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: Little Hawk Yahweh is simply the very much enlarged image of a stern, ruthless, bloody-minded Jewish patriarch of the historical time in which those ancient books were written. NOT what I would want for a God, that's for sure! I'd rather be ruled over by a noble and merciful God resembling Liv Tyler's "Arwen" in "Lord of the Rings" or Joan of Arc or someone along that general line. That would be a God I could believe in and follow with real enthusiasm and confidence. Yahweh??? I don't think so! The Arabs and the Jews and other Semitic people, ironically, are BOTH the descendents of Abraham. Nothing is worse than a family quarrel. |
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06 Mar 10 - 11:45 AM (#2857591) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: Bill D Golda Meir commented many years ago on that...(paraphrased) "Moses led our people thru the wilderness for 40 years, then settled in the only place in the Middle-East with no oil." Maybe they just haven't dug deep enough? |
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06 Mar 10 - 12:04 PM (#2857616) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: Bob the Postman Abraham ain't in it, McGrath and LH. Abe was ancient history by the time Joshua invaded Canaan's land. |
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06 Mar 10 - 12:38 PM (#2857640) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: Little Hawk Okay....but the Arabs and the Isrealites did come from the same original racial/tribal stock according to their own holy books....which are partially the same book, by the way: what Christians call "the Old Testament". So it is a family quarrel as far as I can see. It's like 3 brothers fighting over their father's inheritance. The Muslim faith is split by a further and later family quarrel between the relatives of Mohammed. That resulted in the split between the Shia and the Sunni Muslims. |
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06 Mar 10 - 12:42 PM (#2857644) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: Little Hawk Oh, and of course the Christians fought a whole bunch of terrible wars over their own religious split when the Protestant faith left the Church of Rome. Nasty business, these family quarrels. |
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06 Mar 10 - 12:48 PM (#2857647) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: VirginiaTam The only god I want is the one who says.... "want bikkit!" |
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06 Mar 10 - 01:01 PM (#2857654) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: Little Hawk A parrot? |
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06 Mar 10 - 02:06 PM (#2857700) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: VirginiaTam oh ye of little faith you must read from this Good Book |
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06 Mar 10 - 02:21 PM (#2857713) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: CarolC LH, from my perspective, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all just branches of the same big religion. I find it very strange that they can't see that themselves. It's also strange how angry some members get if it's pointed out to them. But it's not the descendants of the ancient Israelites who are fighting with the Arab descendants of Abraham (as I know you are aware). It's the descendants of people who were converted to Judaism from other (probably Pagan) religions who are doing most of the fighting with the non-Jewish Arab descendants of Abraham (many of whom are descendants of people who converted to Islam and Christianity from Judaism). So I don't think it can really be characterized as a family squabble in that sense. As you know, the real descendants of Abraham who remained Jewish in the Middle East had no difficulty getting along with those who were not Jewish until the descendants of the European converts showed up. |
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06 Mar 10 - 02:23 PM (#2857716) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: Bob the Postman Credo in tortuga mobile. |
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06 Mar 10 - 02:40 PM (#2857732) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: Lizzie Cornish 1 "And why did the Arabs get the oil and the Irish got the potatoes ?" Was it because God had a plan to make cars run on potatoes, but...he changed his mind at the final moment..? |
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06 Mar 10 - 02:47 PM (#2857741) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) No Lizzie, it's 'cos he KNEW that if man wanted to, man could make cars run on potatoes. Why Western man prefers to avoid reusable energy however, is anyone's guess. Me? I like to guess at evil controling organisations far exceeding your fave hated 'folk masons'.. ;-) |
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06 Mar 10 - 03:24 PM (#2857775) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: mousethief As you know, the real descendants of Abraham who remained Jewish in the Middle East had no difficulty getting along with those who were not Jewish until the descendants of the European converts showed up. You mean the Romans who destroyed their temple in 70CE and pretty much wiped them off the map (of the Roman Empire) in 135CE? I think your history needs revising. O..O =o= |
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06 Mar 10 - 03:49 PM (#2857790) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: Lizzie Cornish 1 "Me? I like to guess at evil controling organisations far exceeding your fave hated 'folk masons'.. ;-)" Funny you should mention that... LOL I can recall being very young, in 1982, and watching 'Tomorrow's World'. They were saying how someone now knew how to run cars on water, also pig manure. I think the Corporate Oil Bastards bought up the patent though.. Oil Companies and New Energy (apologies if this link is linked to anyone who may be linked to anyone else who may be a complete bastard, or who may know someone who is) ;0) |
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06 Mar 10 - 04:15 PM (#2857817) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: CarolC As you know, the real descendants of Abraham who remained Jewish in the Middle East had no difficulty getting along with those who were not Jewish until the descendants of the European converts showed up. "You mean the Romans who destroyed their temple in 70CE and pretty much wiped them off the map (of the Roman Empire) in 135CE? I think your history needs revising." Mousethief, by "those who were not Jewish", I was referring specifically of the non-Jewish Semitic peoples in the Middle East, not the Romans. I am talking specifically about the groups of people that Little Hawk was discussing in his post. |
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06 Mar 10 - 04:52 PM (#2857841) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: mousethief M-hm. O..O =o= |
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06 Mar 10 - 05:00 PM (#2857847) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: Paul Burke It's true that the Jews proselytised long after the destruction of the Temple- perhaps more than before. But it's also a bit offbeam to claim that European Jews were not descended from the Jews of Palestine. There were many waves of migration, in many directions and under many different impulses- mostly very unpleasant ones. But it's also true that (i) the Palestinian Jews under the Ottoman Empire usually got on well enough with both Palestinian Moslems (many of whom are descended anyway from Jewish converts) and with the rather more bumnptious and aggressive Christians. man could make cars run on potatoes Sure an' didn't they do that in ould Ireland. The man eats the potatoes. That gives him the strength to cut the grass to make hay. The donkey eats the hay and pulls the car. |
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06 Mar 10 - 05:04 PM (#2857852) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: mousethief Okay, let's go with "non-Jew = non-Jew Descendent of Abraham." I assume the european converts are the Christians? What date is "When they came back"? The crusades? O..O =o= |
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06 Mar 10 - 05:22 PM (#2857863) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: Uncle_DaveO Arguably, God did the Children of Israel a favour' or as Carol C puts it, substituting 'god' for 'the people who wrote the bible' No, the people who wrote the bible created God in their own image. |
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06 Mar 10 - 05:29 PM (#2857871) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: GUEST Yaweh! Yaweh! Yaweh down south in Dixie. |
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06 Mar 10 - 05:33 PM (#2857874) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: Little Hawk You are quite correct, Carol. |
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06 Mar 10 - 05:51 PM (#2857888) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: CarolC It is accepted as fact by most Israeli archaeologists and historians, that the Ashkenazim (European Jews) are descended from a Turkic people who had an empire in eastern and central Europe, and that they were converted en mass by their king or emperor. Prior to that time, they were probably Pagans. The non-Jews with whom the Ashkenazim are at odds in the Holy Land are descended from the Jews of biblical times, and also those early Christians who were Jews before they were Christians, or were descended from the Jews of the region. |
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06 Mar 10 - 06:40 PM (#2857914) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: CarolC By the way, it is also accepted as fact by most Israeli archaeologists that the Jews were not wiped out by the Romans, or even dispersed by the Romans. While some of them were probably exiled (the individuals who were seen as agitators), most of them stayed right where they were, and either became Christians and Muslims, or remained Jewish. |
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07 Mar 10 - 12:17 PM (#2858388) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: GUEST,EBarnacle There is a book by Arthur Koestler, long out of print, which posits that the Kazars are the ancestors of the Ashkenazic Jews, having converted at a time when they were being squeezed between the Muslins and the Christians. They dispersed through Europe and are the ancestors of most of todays Hebrews [a word derived from Ivri, meaning Wanderer in Aramaic]. There is some wide belief in this theory, especially in Israel. In part, it let to the adoption of Sephardic spellings and pronunciation as purer than the Ashkenazic and therefore more appropriate for the language of the ]then new] Jewish state. |
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07 Mar 10 - 02:41 PM (#2858493) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: CarolC Those are the people to whom I was referring, EBarnicle. |
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07 Mar 10 - 09:08 PM (#2858751) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: Joe_F Is man one of God's blunders, or is God one of man's? |
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08 Mar 10 - 12:10 AM (#2858829) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: GUEST,jeff Ok, but Essene bread is STILL the best! And Pumpernickel is right up there, too. |
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08 Mar 10 - 01:52 AM (#2858858) Subject: RE: BS: Did Yahweh have an absent-minded fit? From: Little Hawk Man is no blunder. Man is life itself, expressing in an extraordinary way. As for man's interpretations of God, you can find all kinds of blunders in that area, but also some good concepts here and there. |