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14 Mar 10 - 11:22 AM (#2863917) Subject: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: GUEST,saulgoldie Does anyone know of any actual REAL scientific study that shows that changing the clock as we do saves any energy? I know that livestock, domestic pets, and wildlife all get confused until they overcome the virtual jet lag caused by the change. And then, if that wasn't enough trouble, President Numbnutz shifted the US off of the agreed-upon worldwide standard. If I don't smoke a bowl of Frogmorton on the Town in my blond Tinsky XL billiard, I think I will just put the extra time in the bank with my portion of the national debt. Saul |
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14 Mar 10 - 11:26 AM (#2863918) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: catspaw49 I have no idea Saul but like a lot of folks I just see it as more evening time in the summer. I could care less if it saves anything and if I had my way, we'd be on it year round! Spaw |
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14 Mar 10 - 11:32 AM (#2863920) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: AllisonA(Animaterra) I'm with Spaw. I think it's stupid. |
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14 Mar 10 - 12:10 PM (#2863944) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Charmion If I remember correctly, the original idea was to give factory hands more days of the year when they could both travel to work and get home again in daylight. It's not terribly important to us, but it really mattered during the Second World War, and the period of economic recovery that followed it. |
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14 Mar 10 - 12:11 PM (#2863945) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Bill D As I posted here years ago, I actually heard on old woman say on a radio talk show once, "I don't like it...it will confuse the chickens!" Me? It's the best day of the year, and as you know, Saul, I no longer smoke them things, so I'll just celebrate by cutting up some wood in that extra hour. |
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14 Mar 10 - 12:40 PM (#2863959) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Little Hawk I asked the Dachshund. He says it's a stupid idea. I tend to agree. |
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14 Mar 10 - 12:42 PM (#2863963) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: gnu If we did not shift here, it would be dark near 3PM for about 15 days either side of the winter solstice, meaning higher energy usage in public buildings, businesses, etc. Outdoor work would suffer as well. Schoolchildren walking home in poor light (not so much these days, of course, but you can see whay that would have been a big deal in the past). As for a quantitative analysis of the actual energy savings, I assume it would be almost impossible, even based on an emperical order of magnitude, to to propose a figure which would be reasonably acceted without arguement and perhaps even grandstanding. However, given the fact that I am an astute and emminently qualified engineer well versed in cost-benefit analysis, I offer the following. A penny saved is a penny earned. I'm with Spaw. Been of like mind since my old man first took me trout fishing on Blind Brook after work in early June when I was 10 years old and we got back to the car at 10PM. I was allowed to stay up until 10PM! |
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14 Mar 10 - 12:48 PM (#2863967) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Lizzie Cornish 1 They tried not changing the time in the UK many years back..and it resulted in more accidents on the roads, particularly involving school children, who went to school in the dark. Here's the man to blame, or thank. George Vernon Hudson - Inventor of Daylight Saving Time idea |
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14 Mar 10 - 01:01 PM (#2863975) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Rapparee If you want or must blame someone, blame one of the greatest minds of the 18th Century: Benjamin Franklin. The idea was to give farmers more daylight in which to get work with the crops done. During WW2 the clocks were pushed ahead two hours. I've been doing it all of my life, so I'm used to it. Think though of those in Indiana, where MOST of the State is on Eastern Time but doesn't used daylight time, EXCEPT for those counties that are on Central Time and DO use Daylight Time OR are along the Ohio River and are on Eastern Time AND use Daylight Time. So going from South Bend to Gary means that you have to go from EST to CDT, which works out the same, except when both are on Standard Time. Or Arizona, where a huge chunk of the State, known as the Big Rez, goes on Daylight Time except for those spots in the Rez that don't because they aren't Navaho. I won't even mention Hawaii. |
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14 Mar 10 - 01:10 PM (#2863982) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Rasener When do the times chnage in the UK? |
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14 Mar 10 - 01:18 PM (#2863987) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: naughtyforty According to my calendar (UK) British Summertime commences on Sunday 28 March so I guess we put the clocks forward one hour sometime after midnight on that day (or before we go to bed if before then!) |
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14 Mar 10 - 02:02 PM (#2864007) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: dick greenhaus It prolly saves a bit on electricity, but those longer daylight hours seem to encourage folks to go places, in their energy-consuming cars. |
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14 Mar 10 - 02:22 PM (#2864016) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Rapparee Not me. It encourages me to sit on the back porch (deck) after dinner and watch golfers make fools of themselves. Best show in town. |
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14 Mar 10 - 02:49 PM (#2864026) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Bill D The only real problem I have noted with it, is that folk music events (and probably others) which start about 8PM often have problems getting the audience to show up on time. People get this notion/feeling in their heads that "nothing starts till after dark, so I don't have to think about it yet".......or maybe they know, but just cant bear to stop weeding the garden till they can't see any more. |
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14 Mar 10 - 02:52 PM (#2864031) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: gnu Some folkies show up with weed... not necessarily on time, tho. |
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14 Mar 10 - 02:56 PM (#2864032) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Jim Dixon These days, electric lights in homes probably make up a very small fraction of the electricity we use. (Most businesses have to have lights on regardless of whether there's daylight outside; then there's all the electricity used by our computers, photocopiers, refrigerators, fans, air conditioners, pumps, and myriad electronic devices we didn't have when DST was invented.) While it's logical to expect there is SOME savings due to DST, I'd bet it's so small that most people wouldn't bother with it if it were voluntary and if saving money were the ONLY reason to do it. But saving money isn't the only reason. For most people, it really doesn't make sense to be sleeping in the morning after the sun is up, and then staying awake long after the sun goes down. (Yeah, I know, musicians....) They'd rather be enjoying the sunlight. I don't really see how animals and farmers are relevant. Can't you just let animals stick to their own schedules? Don't they do that anyway? Farmers are pretty independent. They can get up and go to bed whenever they want, regardless of what the clock says. Wouldn't farmers naturally get up earlier in summer anyway? They'd probably adjust gradually instead of all at once, but they can still do that, regardless of whether the rest of us observe DST. I don't think there are any time police that go around waking up farmers or fining them if they sleep too late. Come to think of it, they don't do that for city people, either. When you come right down to it, compliance is voluntary. The law only defines what we mean when we say 8 o'clock. It doesn't say you have to go to work then. That's between you and your employer. |
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14 Mar 10 - 03:09 PM (#2864041) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Gurney In NZ, there is a lot of dairying, and the farmers moan sometimes at the tyranny of the milk collection tanker. The cows have developed a time habit, and instead of strolling into the milking parlour on time, they stroll in one hour late. In the natural state, of course, there is a name for animals which are still asleep at dawn. Breakfast. |
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14 Mar 10 - 04:12 PM (#2864073) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Little Hawk There is a natural time to get up (for day animals), and it is around or just before sunrise. If you're a night animal, it's around sunset. Take electric lights and other powered devices away from human beings, and they will soon move back into their natural cycle and get up around or just before sunrise, and go to sleep not long after sunset. And it's healthier that way too. |
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14 Mar 10 - 04:44 PM (#2864076) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Rasener Thanks Naughty40 |
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14 Mar 10 - 05:44 PM (#2864117) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: gnu I dunno about you, LH, but I know few humans that sleep 16 hours a day around here in mid winter. |
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14 Mar 10 - 06:04 PM (#2864127) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Little Hawk No, but in traditional hunter-gatherer societies the short days of winter were a time for mostly staying indoors if at all possible and gathering with others around a fire, sharing handicrafts and storytelling and other socializing. You wouldn't sleep for a whole 16 hours a day, certainly, but you would go out far less than in the good weather of spring, summer, and fall. People used to store up as much preserved food as they could in the harvest season in order to get through those harsh conditions of winter. Where we differ from those traditional people is obvious. We just continue doing the same darned daily work schedule and traveling no matter what the hell Nature is doing, because we have made making money the condition of survival. This causes us to do much that is out of sync with Nature, and that was my point. |
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14 Mar 10 - 06:56 PM (#2864149) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: gnu And it's a good point, LH. Gramma Owens used to say she couldn't understand it... more turnip and carrots and spuds onions and barley in the pot on the back of the stove and let winter be winter....be a good lad Gary and play us a tune and I'll make dumplings. Those were simple days. I miss them. |
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14 Mar 10 - 08:48 PM (#2864203) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Dave MacKenzie The trouble with daylight saving is that you're just getting used to waking up in daylight when they switch the lights off again, but nobody tells drivers of private cars so they think it must be daylight and drive around for an extra hour in the dark with no lights on. |
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14 Mar 10 - 09:56 PM (#2864220) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: open mike did this happen==the changing? is that why my computer and cell clocks are different from my wrist and wall clocks? when was it? why did i not know? i had my radio show yesterday and was on time... i usually operate on daylight wasting time.. sometimes, when in Elko nevada, my cell phone clock flips back and forth by an hour or two. unfortunately the service that used to tell you the time over the phone has been discontinued as "they" believe that everyone has a cell phone or a computer to tell them what time is is. this recorded message used to also tel you the temperature, in the town i was in when i was young so long ago... |
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15 Mar 10 - 01:16 AM (#2864272) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: katlaughing I do not like it. My dad hated it and called Standard Time "god's time" and thought we should stay on it, as do I. (And, he was not a religious person..just thought that expressed his feelings about it well.) I wish they would stop it altogether. LH, very good points, thanks! |
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15 Mar 10 - 01:40 AM (#2864282) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: The Fooles Troupe "I know that livestock, domestic pets, and wildlife all get confused until they overcome the virtual jet lag caused by the change" I just HAVE to destroy this utter BS... The animals only 'get confused' because the humans looking after them are too stupid to realise that animals don't understand the concept of 'clock time', only sunrise and sunset. So the humans must change the 'clock time' at which they tend the animals, if they truly believe that their animals will 'be upset'. If you milk the cows at '5 am' then you still do that, it's just that the physical clock now reads a different time for a few months... sigh... Of course if you INSIST that you must now work by the time that the clock shows, trust me, it is not the animals that are confused.... :-) |
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15 Mar 10 - 01:49 AM (#2864284) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: The Fooles Troupe "the tyranny of the milk collection tanker" Once again, human stupidity - of the company collecting the milk - and possibly the unions that want 'overtime' if the collection is changed by an hour to the rational obvious one.... |
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15 Mar 10 - 10:25 AM (#2864483) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Jim Dixon I had an uncle—a farmer, by the way—who also referred to Standard Time as "God's time." That only reflected his ignorance of history. Standard Time was invented by the railroads, and was adopted in England in 1847 and in the US in 1883. Before that, there were no time zones; every town had its own time, which might be a few minutes earlier or later than the next town to the east or west. And of course when Standard Time was first adopted, some people resisted it and called the local time "God's time." I believe the Romans had a system where the day, from sunrise to sunset, was divided into 12 equal hours, and the night also into 12 equal hours, so the length of an hour varied according to the season. It makes sense if you tell time mainly with a sundial. Maybe they called that system "Jupiter's time." |
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15 Mar 10 - 10:44 AM (#2864490) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Rasener >>Maybe they called that system "Jupiter's time<< Or Flexi Time I'll stamp me card |
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15 Mar 10 - 05:44 PM (#2864776) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: DMcG Well, as it happens I've spent all day trying to get some software for time zones working. It's hellishly complicated, you know, and not helped by the way there are acronyms for some bits (GMT, UTC, etc) but not for others (there's no agreed acronym for 'UK Time' for example, which is GMT part of the year and BST for others; the same lack of a name seems to apply to most, but not all, 'variable' zones); nor is it helpful when two completely separate parts of the world both want to refer to EST (US and Australia.) Just to add to the amusement, Microsoft's TimeZoneInfo facilities do something completely bizarre when the time is ambiguous (i.e. the ambiguity is resolved differently for "what's the time?" and "Is there daylight saving?" Then there's a whole political layer when the same timezone (in terms of UTC offset) needs to have different names in different places to avoid upsetting people ... |
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15 Mar 10 - 06:23 PM (#2864801) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Dave MacKenzie Isn't GMT officially UST (Universal Standard Time) in Europe? I used to keep my watch on it all year when I was using a tachograph, as goods vehicles, like animals, ignore daylight shaving. |
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15 Mar 10 - 06:32 PM (#2864816) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: McGrath of Harlow It's a stupid idea switching the clocks twice a year. Especially now when it's not just the clock in the hall, but the TV and the central heating and the watches and the mobile phones and the clock in the car... Far better if we could all leave them be, and just adjust how we live according to what seems sensible - getting up an hour earlier when the day gets longer or going to bed sooner when it gets dark earlier. Or not, if we choose not to. |
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15 Mar 10 - 06:37 PM (#2864821) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: McGrath of Harlow Our clocks don't go forward till March 28th incidentally, two weeks after the Nirth Americans. You'd think they'd coordinate that kind of thing in these days of Skype and suchlike. |
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15 Mar 10 - 07:13 PM (#2864847) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Dave MacKenzie Nowadays, the clocks in this house that can change themselves do. The rest show whatever time they feel like showing until I can be bothered correcting them, except for the one in the car which always overshoots so is pretty much random. |
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15 Mar 10 - 07:17 PM (#2864849) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Dave MacKenzie Actually I've still got one showing the time in Sydney from at least seven years ago when my daughter was working in Oz. |
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16 Mar 10 - 12:09 AM (#2864969) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Gurney Nice one, Dave. But did you set that up after phoning her at some ridiculous hour? Very occasionally, we get a wrong # from someone in a different time zone (apart from Oz, all English-speaking timezones are very different to NZ.) Regardless of the time, I always obligingly look up the correct # for them, without telling them our time. Why should I be the only one wakened up? |
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16 Mar 10 - 04:10 AM (#2865038) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Dave MacKenzie Actually it was before, but as I was phoning to check that it wasn't her who'd died in a sky-diving accident, she forgave me. My sister-in-law used to phone from Oz, and her first words were always "What time is it?" |
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16 Mar 10 - 05:22 AM (#2865069) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: JennieG Here in New South Wales we finish daylight saving in the wee small hours of 28th March. We now have six months on, six months off. When it started here within recent memory (early 70s I think) we had four months on, eight off. Have to admit......I'll be glad to go back to 'normal' time. You notice I said 'here in New South Wales' as not all Oz states go by the same time. And since we retired we go by our own household time! Cheers JennieG |
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16 Mar 10 - 05:50 AM (#2865082) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Keith A of Hertford If we kept "summertime" in winter, there would be fewer road deaths, especially children. This was proved when we actually tried it. Unfortunately the Scots don't like it. |
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16 Mar 10 - 05:56 AM (#2865084) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Keith A of Hertford conversely, the lack of sunlight in the evenings contributing to more accidents. Therefore, the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents (Rospa) has been calling for 'single-double summer time', which would add two hours instead of one and result in darker mornings and lighter evenings. The proposals would equalise GMT with Central European Time. This method was piloted between 1968 and 1971, and some findings estimated 2,500 deaths and serious injuries occurred each year as a result. However, Government research revealed public support for the measure to be adopted. Rospa claims that recent research reveals the adoption of single-double summer time would result in 450 less road deaths and serious injuries. However, the proposals were heavily defeated by MPs, with particular lobbying from agricultural groups and Scottish farmers, http://www.politics.co.uk/briefings-guides/issue-briefs/british-summer-time-bst--$366653.htm |
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16 Mar 10 - 04:13 PM (#2865506) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Mrs.Duck I was about to make the same comment, Keith. Having it darker in the mornings when folk are freshly awake is far better than having it darker in the evening and the number of road accidents reduced when the double summertime was used NOT increased. I would support moving to an hour forward all year as in France. Currently its dark going and coming home from work in the Winter so why not give us an extra hour of daylight each evening and make it safer for the kids! |
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16 Mar 10 - 05:34 PM (#2865565) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Ebbie Time keeping in Alaska has an interesting history. Until recent years the powers that be tried to stay in tune with America's west coast. But it made no sense. It would be light in Alaska when it was dead night in Oregon and California- and vice versa- and the clock insisted it was the same hour. Nowadays, Alaska has four time zones of its own, called 'Alaska Time'. The farthest west zone is the same as the time in Hawaii. |
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16 Mar 10 - 08:29 PM (#2865679) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Joe_F Why don't we all just go to bed between 8 & 9 p.m., and get up between 3 & 4 a.m., standard time, according to our needs? Then we'd have the maximum use of daylight all year round, without having to fool ourselves in the summer. Answer, IMO: Because staying up late proves we're grown up. |
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17 Mar 10 - 03:09 PM (#2866227) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Mrs.Duck And unfortunately we have to be at work? |
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17 Mar 10 - 03:21 PM (#2866235) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: GUEST,mg I think it is one of the stupedist ideas we have come up with..perhaps a justificaiton in wartime when there was not widespread electric lighting in some areas, but how in the world can we justify it now? mg |
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18 Mar 10 - 12:38 AM (#2866579) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: LadyJean Daylight savings time used to start in April. This year it started in March. Which is why instead of being 15 minutes early for church last Sunday I was 45 minutes late. Some states in the U.S. ignore Daylight Savings Time, which makes things really confusing. |
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19 Mar 10 - 12:29 PM (#2867701) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Mr Happy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jisqle37uWI |
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19 Mar 10 - 02:15 PM (#2867762) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Riginslinger I HATE DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME! Just so you'll know. |
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19 Mar 10 - 02:29 PM (#2867774) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: gnu It's great to have been able to go for a walk in the evening after supper last night. I love it. |
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19 Mar 10 - 03:53 PM (#2867823) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Bettynh I had to get out a piece of paper to remember what we went through when we went to Chile to see a solar eclipse in 1994. The eclipse was in the first week of Nov., so we had just turned out clocks back to standard time. When we arrived in Chile, they had just turned their clocks forward for daylight savings. BUT despite being directly south of Boston, Chile shares a time zone one slot to the east (known as Atlantic Time Zone to me, but since it's on the Pacific Coast, I don't really know what they call it.) After the eclipse, we travelled to Peru, which is closer to the equator, doesn't do daylight savings, and is in the same time zone as the eastern US. Fortunately, we had an astronomer along to get us to the eclipse view on time. I see that Chile, which recently suffered a major blackout on top of the earthquake, has extended daylight savings till April. |
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08 Mar 21 - 10:20 PM (#4096756) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: keberoxu And it's that time of the year this year, 2021. Why is it always so early ... |
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08 Mar 21 - 10:32 PM (#4096759) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: mg i find it crazy. wish we would never have it. |
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09 Mar 21 - 03:55 PM (#4096886) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: saulgoldie Correction: it is daylight saving, singular, not savingS. And in another thread, someone suggested that it was originally thought up by Ben Franklin as a spoof! At any rate yes, here we go again. I seriously doubt if there is any legislative energy to entertain ending it. Maybe next year... Saul |
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09 Mar 21 - 04:45 PM (#4096891) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Nigel Parsons Another 2 weeks+ here in UK. Clocks go forward (from GMT to BST) at 1 am on the last Sunday in March. Clocks go back (from BST to GMT) at 2 am on the last Sunday in October. No one gets (or 'saves') any extra light because of this. It's just distributed differently. |
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10 Mar 21 - 12:07 PM (#4097033) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Bill D It seems there will never be agreement on liking it or hating it. As I said above, I like it. I also see vaguely why others might not... depending on how close to the time zone line they live.. and on which side. What I will never understand is why some people say they "have trouble adjusting" to an hours change. I am retired now, and sleep when I choose, but even when I had to set the alarm to go to work, it was no real issue. The biggest problem is that most clocks on appliances are now digital, which takes..oh, maybe 5-6 minutes to change. Your computer and "smart phone" now do it automatically. *shrug* Not living on a farm, I really don't know if it "confuses the chickens". *grin* |
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10 Mar 21 - 01:13 PM (#4097045) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Jos I stayed in an airbnb where the digital clocks must have been set by the owner at 4 o'clock in the afternoon. I was very confused when I woke up and looked at the clock to see 16:22, thinking I must have slept right through and missed breakfast and lunch. |
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10 Mar 21 - 01:59 PM (#4097049) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Stilly River Sage I worked for a while at a commercial cave/hotel/campground operation in Kentucky that was just west of the line from Eastern to Central time. On the glass door the hours were painted (8am - 6pm) and under it in very large bold font was Central Time Zone That still didn't keep irate visitors arriving early from the east from pounding on the doors wanting to be let in at 7am our time. |
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10 Mar 21 - 02:24 PM (#4097051) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Bill D Just to add something... there is a movement to make DST year around. Bi-partisan in Senate We'll see.. there are those who don't want kids standing at bus stops in the morning dark.... which is one reason DST was created. |
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10 Mar 21 - 02:59 PM (#4097052) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Jos Is the morning dark worse than the evening dark? |
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10 Mar 21 - 03:53 PM (#4097062) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Bill D If your child is in 2nd grade, and must wait for a school bus in the dark, you decide. All schools that I know of dismiss in afternoon daylight. |
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10 Mar 21 - 05:10 PM (#4097073) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Steve Shaw We put our clocks back about five weeks after the autumn equinox, but we don't put them forward again until about a week after the spring equinox. Had we stayed equidistant from the solstice and adopted the autumn date as is, we would have put our clocks forward in mid-February, but as it is we still have two and a half weeks to go. You couldn't make it up, but someone did. |
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11 Mar 21 - 02:39 AM (#4097113) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: BobL There's a reason for that, Steve. In October, the evenings are warm enough for us to be outside enjoying the last of the daylight. In March they aren't. Incidentally my practise in March is to advance the central heating timer by a quarter of an hour each week, and to get up as soon as it's light. It makes the changeover relatively painless. |
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11 Mar 21 - 02:51 AM (#4097114) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Mr Red US v UK DST can cause problems. The date thereof differs. I was working for a UK flight instrumentation company that was taken over by GE at the time. The e-mail system was then locked-in to a central app/server in Cincinnati A meeting was called by e-mail, word of mouth, phone and probably spirit guides, just between the DST changes. About an hour before (or at the appointed time in my case) it was called off, because some people had used the calendar in the e-mail system, some had just told contract workers like me. And you can guess the result. No-one in the US was involved! Computers are clever, people - er - notso! My Canadian cousin told of DST & Double DST for farmers and there were towns that didn't (in the 50's). He was a travelling salesman, so imagine the confusion there. |
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12 Mar 21 - 09:25 PM (#4097390) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: keberoxu And here it comes, this weekend. |
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13 Mar 21 - 05:14 PM (#4097521) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: saulgoldie I sat the cats down for a man to chat chat. I told them that as of tomorrow, their feeding schedule would change by one hour. Predictably, they took it with typical feline disdain and disinterest, as if to say, "You think we givashit? We're CATS, for crissake!" So tomorrow should be interesting. Saul |
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14 Mar 21 - 12:37 AM (#4097543) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: JennieG Meanwhile in Oz, we - those states which actually have daylight saving, not all states do - change back to standard time at 3.00 a.m. on Sunday 4th April. I for one will not be up at that hour, we will change anything necessary before going to bed so we know what time it is when we wake. We will, however, be going away earlier that week so if we forget to change clocks before leaving home we will be confoozalated when we return, a few weeks later. |
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15 Mar 21 - 04:25 PM (#4097823) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: JHW Spring Forward, Fall Back. or maybe its Fall forward, Spring back |
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18 Mar 21 - 03:12 PM (#4098236) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: JHW Re JennieG post my calendar in this room is from Oz and indeed there's a list of half a doz states that END daylight saving on Easter Sunday 4th April. Some of my timers put themselves right when the clocks change. Else you use your saved hour fiddling with Ovens, Microwaves etc. |
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18 Mar 21 - 03:49 PM (#4098244) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Joe Offer in 2018, 62% of California voters voted to enact year-round Daylight Savings Time. But that's the first of many hoops we have to get through. -Joe- |
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18 Mar 21 - 04:43 PM (#4098251) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: JennieG JHW - yes indeed. Here's some Stuff about daylight saving in Oz. Stuff about daylight saving |
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18 Mar 21 - 04:50 PM (#4098254) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: Donuel The cats don't seem to mind being fed earlier in the morning. |
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18 Mar 21 - 06:52 PM (#4098270) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: robomatic One Time Zone for the World |
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19 Mar 21 - 04:06 AM (#4098315) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: BobL One time zone? It doesn't have to stop there. Once you've disconnected local time from solar time, there's no reason for keeping to a 24-hour day. If you made the day a bit shorter, there'd be more working days per year in which to get things done. OTOH if you lengthened the day by about 21 minutes, you'd have a nice round 360 days per year, 12 months of 30 days each, no leap years to mess with. A 9-day week (add Uranus and Neptune to the list of Sun, Moon and 5 naked-eye planets) would tie dates to the same weekday each year. The only drawback is that moveable feasts tied to a lunar calendar, such as Chinese New Year and Easter, would be even more moveable... |
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21 Mar 21 - 05:06 PM (#4098680) Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right... From: keberoxu It still feels out of whack, one week later. Enjoy yourself, It's later than you think . . . |