Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina

05 Apr 10 - 07:52 AM (#2879908)
Subject: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Bonzo3legs

http://www.indymedia-letzebuerg.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=47773&Itemid=28

Here comes the rent a mob on their annual beano in Argentina. In fact in BA this is usually just one of several demos that happens on Malvinas Day - April 2. It is of course very sad to watch the mothers/wives of men killed during the Malvinas conflict morning their lost ones at the memorial in BA.

And as for Cristina Kirshner - What a stupid woman! Why doesn't she sort out the real problems of the country? Because she hasn't got a clue how to do it. When did raving ignorant socialists ever succeed in running a country properly?

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05 Apr 10 - 07:55 AM (#2879910)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Bonzo3legs

I should have put this in non music threads.

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05 Apr 10 - 08:22 AM (#2879923)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Richard Bridge

Nothing wrong with socialism - but lets' face it the Falklands are British, the Falkland Islanders want to stay British, and if the Argentinians started a war, as they did, they must expect casualties.

The UN perspective is simply the result of a bloc vote by Latin-American countries who simply smell a chance of getting their hands on some oil revenues.

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05 Apr 10 - 08:53 AM (#2879938)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: alanabit

When did raving, ignorant, capitalists, communists, liberals, humanists, revolutionaries, pigeon breeders, cat lovers, football fans....... ever succeed in running a country properly?

When the inhabitants of the Isle of Wight wish for Spanish nationality, I am sure other Brit Mudcatters will jon me in demanding that they live under Spanish administration. Meanwhile, the Falkland Islanders wish to remain a British Protectorate - and I am happy to respect that wish.

One can only feel sympathy for the hapless sods who lost their lives, limbs or sanity because of the respective manipulation and opportunism of politicians in two countries. I feel for the grieving relatives and victims in both of them. Our duty is to ensure that the politicians do not get away with that sort of cock up ever again.

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05 Apr 10 - 02:11 PM (#2880108)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Richard Bridge

Genuine or not they make a sound basis.

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05 Apr 10 - 02:20 PM (#2880115)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: McGrath of Harlow

Good basis for a war to win Maggie an election she was set to lose - and keeping hold of some possible oil revenues as well.

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05 Apr 10 - 02:32 PM (#2880126)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: gnu

I thought Maggie was under contract to protect the Falklanders from agression. Or is there a suggestion that the invasion was cooked up to provide a war?

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06 Apr 10 - 02:03 PM (#2880841)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Les in Chorlton

If oil is there it should be Argentina's

L in C

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06 Apr 10 - 07:32 PM (#2881020)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: McGrath of Harlow

If it had suited the British Government to let Argentina have the Islands,they'd have done it without blinking.

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07 Apr 10 - 12:28 PM (#2881451)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: bubblyrat

What ?? With Maggie & Denis the major shareholders in The Falklands Islands Company ? No way ! Not that I am suggesting for one moment that this fact had any bearing on, or relevance to,the events that transpired following the Argentinian invasion.
    I had actually applied,a few years beforehand,to go and settle there,and had been in touch with the head honcho of emigration thereto,Air Commodore Frew,at his office in London ; sadly,or possibly luckily, the then- Mrs Bubblyrat was not that sold on the idea !!
    As to the current situation in Argentina--well, isn't this looking like 1930s Germany all over again ??

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07 Apr 10 - 12:57 PM (#2881472)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Teribus

"If oil is there it should be Argentina's"

Not according to UNCLOS article 76.

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07 Apr 10 - 04:01 PM (#2881602)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Bonzo3legs

How many more times - ARGENTINE - Argentinian is a totally incorrect word invented by the UK gutter press.

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07 Apr 10 - 06:17 PM (#2881693)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: McGrath of Harlow

As to the current situation in Argentina--well, isn't this looking like 1930s Germany all over again ??

Not really. Godwin's Law applies...

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07 Apr 10 - 07:15 PM (#2881738)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Richard Bridge

Support that Bonzo. I had never heard the word "Argentine" until I saw it in the gutter press during and after the Argentinian attempts to invade the Falklands.

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08 Apr 10 - 05:27 PM (#2882385)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: McGrath of Harlow

Sometimes the country is referred to as "the Argentine", but that's different. People coming from there are "Argentinians".

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09 Apr 10 - 11:32 AM (#2882897)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Dave the Gnome

Walking down the street in Leeds I passed an old soldier who had obviusly seen better days. Sat on the pavement with a sign proclaiming 'Faulklands Veteran' and an upturned hat by his side I could not help but wonder how our government had allowed this disgraceful state of affairs come to pass. Without hesitation I put a fiver in the hat and, as I shook his hand, he smiled at me and said,

"Gracias Sénor"

Maybe we aren't so bad after all...

:D (eG)

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08 Feb 11 - 05:05 AM (#3090972)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Escamillo

Of course we didn´t expect casualties because we did never expect a war. None of the families supported the invasion, we all were immersed in an historical economic crisis and still moarning the casualties of an internal and terrible war which left thousands of dead civilians and 30,000 missing. The call to war was the last attempt for an already falling dictator (Galtieri and partners) to stay in place. Argentine and British soldiers paid the bill. A brief story is in this site:
http://www.argentina.org.au/malvinas_islands.htm

As complicated as any other colonial conflict, this one seems to be the most stupid in History...

Hugs from Andrés, Buenos Aires

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08 Feb 11 - 05:31 AM (#3090983)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Lox

Strange to see Richard standing up for the brits on this, especially now that it has become clear that there is oil in the region.

Maybe they couldn't get to it back then, but it is tooo much of a coincidence for me to ignore.

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08 Feb 11 - 07:57 AM (#3091057)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Bonzo3legs

Unfortunately we don't arrive in BA until after Malvinas Day 2011.

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08 Feb 11 - 08:21 AM (#3091067)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Jim Carroll

'rent-a-mob'
Once again we see the usual suspects sneering at popular expression. Whatever you might think of the opinion being expressed, 'ordinary' people have little enough opportunity to air their opinions and aspirations. The 'rent-a-mob' activity in Egypt and other parts of the world seem to be giving some of the world's dictators food for thought at the present time.
Nor should it be forgotten that the Falklands/Malvinas adventure gave Thatcher plenty of time in front of the camera to boost her electoral ambitions - no matter how many young lives it cost.
Jim Carroll

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08 Feb 11 - 01:17 PM (#3091178)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Little Hawk

Both Galtieri and Thatcher saw political opportunities in that situation, and both attempted to exploit the situtation to their own benefit. They gambled. Galtieri lost, Thatcher won. In any case, the greater blame attaches to Galtieri, because it was basically his idea to start the whole thing off...

The servicemen who died on both sides were, as usual, simply the unlucky victims of power politics between nations. On the other hand...they were doing their job, weren't they? Their job requires them to obey orders.

I think the Argentine government probably expected the British to accept a fait accompli once they had quickly occupied the islands. They may have even been foolish enough to imagine that Margaret Thatcher, because she was a woman, would not have the nerve to go to war to recover those islands. If so....LOL!...they would have to be ranked among the most foolish miscalculators in history. I can think of no one less likely to back down in such a crisis than Margaret Thatcher.

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08 Feb 11 - 01:27 PM (#3091187)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Little Hawk

By the way, you can "rent a mob" for almost nothing on Mudcat! In fact, it's free!

All you have to do is start a new thread about:

religion

politics

gay rights and related issues

Israel and the Palestinians

guns, the Second Amendment, etc.

and a few other juicy subjects like that...

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08 Feb 11 - 01:28 PM (#3091188)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Bonzo3legs

Thatcher won because she mudered more conscripted Argentine boys than regular British Army boys - hideous woman.

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08 Feb 11 - 01:39 PM (#3091205)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Little Hawk

Hideous indeed. ;-) But not someone that anyone with half a grain of good judgement would launch a "war of political convenience" against. When people are as arrogant and certain of their own entitlement and utter superiority as Margaret Thatcher was, they make very dangerous adversaries.

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08 Feb 11 - 01:41 PM (#3091206)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: GUEST

`When did raving ignorant socialists ever succeed in running a country properly?`

Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro. Want me to continue?

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08 Feb 11 - 01:50 PM (#3091216)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Jim Carroll

Little Hawk;
Can't argue with your analysis, but can only speak for the actions of 'my government' (at that time) who sent youngsters off to fight and die on 'my behalf'.
Perhaps in future problems, like these should be settled by locking those responsible in a room together and letting them sort it out among themselves - handbags at twenty paces, sort of thing.
BTW - you missed Ireland off your list - not to mention the definition of folk song!!!
Jim Carroll

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08 Feb 11 - 01:51 PM (#3091217)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: GUEST,999

`When did raving ignorant socialists ever succeed in running a country properly?`

Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro. Want me to continue?

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08 Feb 11 - 02:06 PM (#3091227)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Richard Bridge

Bonzo, you have not yet supported your contention that the correct descriptor of persons from the Argentine is "Argentine" not "Argentinian".

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08 Feb 11 - 06:27 PM (#3091407)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Little Hawk

Jim, you are so right! ;-D Major oversight on my part.

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09 Feb 11 - 04:16 AM (#3091605)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Jim Carroll

`When did raving ignorant socialists ever succeed in running a country properly?
Around the same time as corporate greed and political corruption and incometence didn't lead to world-wide recession and international wars in pursuit of profits.
Jim Carroll

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09 Feb 11 - 06:28 AM (#3091645)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Bonzo3legs

Corporate greed allowed by blair/brown and his henchmen for 13 years.

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09 Feb 11 - 06:33 AM (#3091647)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Jim Carroll

"Corporate greed allowed by blair/brown and his henchmen for 13 years."
And approved by the silence of the opposite benchers - it is a failure of the system, not the particular shade of politics that happens to support it - Tweedledum and Tweedledee, you might say.
The corrupt Corporations are traditionally Tory supposrters and financers.
Jim Carroll

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09 Feb 11 - 07:21 AM (#3091670)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Bonzo3legs

Quite what this has to do with Argentina I do not know!!!

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09 Feb 11 - 08:35 AM (#3091709)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Jim Carroll

"Quite what this has to do with Argentina I do not know!!!"
It has relevance when eejits make crass statements like:
"When did raving ignorant socialists ever succeed in running a country properly?"
Wonder who did that?
Jim Carroll

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09 Feb 11 - 08:59 AM (#3091724)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Stu

Bonzo gives a fuck about something/someone other than himself? This must be a joke thread. Nice one Bonz!

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09 Feb 11 - 10:13 AM (#3091767)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Greg F.

anyone with half a grain of good judgement would launch a "war of political convenience" against. When people are as arrogant and certain of their own entitlement and utter superiority as Margaret Thatcher was, they make very dangerous adversaries.

Kinda like Georgie Bush & Iraq, innit?

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09 Feb 11 - 10:32 AM (#3091781)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Bonzo3legs

No,Sadam was a shit and had to go.

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09 Feb 11 - 11:19 AM (#3091802)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Stu

It is a joke thread, and Bonz has nailed another.

Ka-boom. Take a bow son.

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09 Feb 11 - 11:41 AM (#3091814)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Jim Carroll

"No,Sadam was a shit and had to go."
Yup - was a threat to our oil - as you said - had to go!!
I'm afraid we'll be living with his 'having to go' for a considerable time to come and counting the cost in body bags (and 'special rendition' victims)
Jim Carroll

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09 Feb 11 - 11:47 AM (#3091817)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Bonzo3legs

So you disagree with your sacred labour governments, I see!!

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09 Feb 11 - 11:58 AM (#3091826)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Stu

Bonz old fruit, you look but certainly don't see.

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09 Feb 11 - 12:56 PM (#3091869)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Jim Carroll

"So you disagree with your sacred labour governments, I see!!"
It would be less misleading to say that some of us detest the fact that they have now become indistinguishable from your tories.
They were never "sacred", just marginally preferable to the murderously undemocratic and predatory tories; now you couldn't squeeze a credit card between their policies.
Jim Carroll

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09 Feb 11 - 01:26 PM (#3091891)
Subject: RE: Annual rent a mob demos in Argentina
From: Little Hawk

Saddam was a dear friend of America who disappointed his patrons in the 80s by failing to destroy the Iranian revolution! Naughty! Naughty!

From that point on his fortunes began to descend. He began to be seen as a liability rather than an asset. So America began planning to remove him.

They neatly suckered him into invading Kuwait by having their ambassador tell him quite unequivocally that the USA was in no way concerned about him doing such a thing as attacking Kuwait.

Nice move, America. ;-) He fell for it and invaded Kuwait, thus giving the USA the excuse they needed to move against him, and they've been persecuting and destroying Iraq ever since.

The final sin Saddam committed (in America's eyes) was that he decided to sell Iraqi oil for Euros rather than for dollars! That was utterly unacceptable to the USA, so they invented a completely bogus tale about WMDs as an excuse to take Saddam out and occupy Iraq. Saddam had no more chance of surviving than a fish in a barrel after that.

Iraq is immeasurably worse off due to all of the above than it would have been if America had never gotten into a quarrel with Saddam at all. They were once known as the most modern and progressive Arab nation in the Middle East, the nation where women were not afraid to dress in western style clothes on the street and to hold jobs that men hold. They are now a ruined country that has subsided into chaos, poverty, fundamentalism, and despair.

Saddam was just another corrupt dictator, like many that the USA has worked with happily in both the past and the present. He was not unusual in that respect. But the damage he did to Iraq can't even begin to compare to the incredible damage the USA and their allies have done to Iraq, and they did not do it to help Iraqis or to protect anyone except a bunch of big multinational coroporations...and the American dollar.

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