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24 Jun 10 - 08:11 AM (#2933877) Subject: Compare and Contrast...... From: Vic Smith OK! Here is your homework from this week. Write an essay to compare and contrast the dancing style seen in these two YouTube videos:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DczN97ro_Vk and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf6ZCnf_yU8 Oh.... and don't complain to me that you have been given such a difficult assignment; the idea was suggested by Bryan Creer (alias The Snail). |
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24 Jun 10 - 08:20 AM (#2933885) Subject: RE: Compare and Contrast...... From: Manitas_at_home How about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PG4UPoq_vI&feature=related ? |
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24 Jun 10 - 08:44 AM (#2933897) Subject: RE: Compare and Contrast...... From: Will Fly And the Big Difference is - nuts! |
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24 Jun 10 - 08:46 AM (#2933898) Subject: RE: Compare and Contrast...... From: Leadfingers NO Mike - That's the SIMILARITY ! They're ALL Nuts ! LOL |
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24 Jun 10 - 09:08 AM (#2933915) Subject: RE: Compare and Contrast...... From: GUEST,^&* Try this one... |
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25 Jun 10 - 11:02 AM (#2934614) Subject: RE: Compare and Contrast...... From: Jack Campin Verbunk from Csik |
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25 Jun 10 - 02:57 PM (#2934760) Subject: RE: Compare and Contrast...... From: Dave Earl Please Sir I did my homework but the puppy ate it |
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25 Jun 10 - 03:10 PM (#2934769) Subject: RE: Compare and Contrast...... From: Vic Smith Please Sir I did my homework but the puppy ate it Stay behind after school, Earl minor, I need to have words with you about this..... Actually, Dave, I do need to talk to you... but about festival stewarding, not homework! |
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25 Jun 10 - 03:48 PM (#2934793) Subject: RE: Compare and Contrast...... From: Dave Earl Yes Vic Iv'e got a lot on at work for the next week and then I'm at Upper D for the TTF S&A. If you are going to look in on that we could touch base there. Or perhaps you could phone or text my mobile. Dave |
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25 Jun 10 - 09:55 PM (#2934937) Subject: RE: Compare and Contrast...... From: Al These dance forms are easy to compare and contrast because they are in the same video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL8lu9kOvVg |
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25 Jun 10 - 10:40 PM (#2934946) Subject: RE: Compare and Contrast...... From: Janie Easy, the dancers in the 2nd video know how to dance! |
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25 Jun 10 - 10:41 PM (#2934947) Subject: RE: Compare and Contrast...... From: Janie I also have to add that I found the use of blackface in the first video offensive. |
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26 Jun 10 - 07:41 AM (#2935061) Subject: RE: Compare and Contrast...... From: Manitas_at_home Actually, no you didn't have to add that at all! |
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26 Jun 10 - 07:50 PM (#2935328) Subject: RE: Compare and Contrast...... From: Al Here's a to the one I posted: here Al |
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26 Jun 10 - 09:21 PM (#2935348) Subject: RE: Compare and Contrast...... From: Janie Thanks, Al. That is wonderful! |
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27 Jun 10 - 07:52 AM (#2935479) Subject: RE: Compare and Contrast...... From: TheSnail This arose from an aside on another forum where Vic posted the video of the excellent Black Umfolosi 5 performing at the Royal Oak, Lewes. (I was there!) Here is another video of the gumboot dance in Cape Town. Janie's response illustrates why I was reluctant to bring up the subject here. The Britannia Coco-nut Dancers of Bacup have been doing what they do for over a hundred years following a tradition going back a hundred, or possibly hundreds, of years before that. On their website they say - The dances they perform are actually Folk Dances and the custom of blackened faces may reflect a pagan or medieval background which was done to disguise the dancers from being recognised by evil spirits afterwards, it may also reflect mining connections. If anyone has any issues with that, I suggest they take it up with the "Nutters". I am more interested in making connections. One suggestion is that Cornish tin miners brought the dance to Lancashire when they helped start up the coal mining industry. As I understand, the Gumboot dance is associated with gold miners. Did Cornish or Lancastrian miners go ot to work in the South African gold mines and if so, did they take the dance with them or did they find it there and bring it back? The Alpentanzers throw another question in. Are they associated with mining? Here they re again looking very like the Nutters. Hut Tanz Or, of course, they might have nothing to do with each other. Bryan Creer |
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27 Jun 10 - 08:41 AM (#2935498) Subject: RE: Compare and Contrast...... From: TheSnail Ooops. The gumboot dance video got lost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSgFAG0mtac |
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27 Jun 10 - 09:49 AM (#2935520) Subject: RE: Compare and Contrast...... From: Will Fly In another recent thread - Folklore: Rossendale coco-nutters in the 1930s - I quoted a passage from a book by Tommy Thompson, describing how morris dancers came down from the Rossendale valley. Replies to my original post included the interesting quote (from the Britannia dancers website) posted by Bernard: "The Dances spread throughout Rossendale and around the turn of the Century there were at least four troupes. One of these was the Tunstead Mill Troupe who celebrated their half century in 1907. It is from this troupe that Britannia is descended." If Cornish miners brought their trade to the new Lancashire coalfields - or if the miners picked up the dance from South Africa - both possible suggestions by Bryan - my question is: why just the Rossendale Valley? My own paternal ancestors were coal miners in south-east Lancashire (not Rossendale) in the late 18th and early 19th centuries. The coal industry was quite widespread in those days, and it's fascinating to read that the coco-nutters troupes appear to have originated in just one part of the overall coal area. One answer to my own question may be in the fact that movement of people from area to area was less common in the earlier years of the 19th century - my own family remained in their part of Lancashire with little movement out of it until the 1890s - and the dancers in Rossendale were more isolated at that time. |
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27 Jun 10 - 10:14 AM (#2935524) Subject: RE: Compare and Contrast...... From: Janie Bryan, Thanks for link and the additional background information. |