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07 Sep 10 - 09:33 AM (#2981543) Subject: Old Man Mose From: beeliner Anybody know which came first, the song or the Al Capp comic strip character? |
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07 Sep 10 - 10:27 AM (#2981563) Subject: RE: Old Man Mose From: clueless don I know "Old Man Mose" as a character in The Phantom. Don |
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07 Sep 10 - 11:54 AM (#2981609) Subject: RE: Old Man Mose From: beeliner Really? That's a new one on me. Old Man Mose was a character in the "Li'l Abner" strip. He was a hermit who lived in a cave, way up in the mountains, and the residents of Dogpatch believed him to have paranormal powers, and went to him for advice and predictions. The problem was, it was a long, tedious walk to his cave, and he was VERY old, so there always a certain amount of apprehension that he might have 'kicked the bucket' since he was last visited. So the title character in the song is clearly the same dude, but was the song based on the comic strip character or vice-versa? |
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07 Sep 10 - 07:45 PM (#2981919) Subject: Lyr Add: OL' MAN MOSE (L Armstrong/Z Randolph) From: Joe Offer for the record, here are the lyrics for the Louis Armstrong song, from http://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/o/olmanmose.shtml OL' MAN MOSE (Louis Armstrong / Zilner Randolph) Nat Gonella & His Georgians (vocal: Nat Gonella) Also recorded by : Louis Armstrong; Teresa Brewer; Bob Crosby & His Orch.; Eddy Duchin; Ella Fitzgerald; Connie Francis; Georgia Gibbs; Golden Gate Quartet; The Ink Spots; Made In The Shade; Wayne Newton; Louis Prima. Now one time there lived an old man With a very crooked nose He lived inside a log hut and they called him ol' man Mose One dark and dreary morning I knocked upon his door I didn't hear a single sound so I ain't gonna do it no more. 'cos I believe ol' man, I believe ol' man I believe ol' man, thatol' man Mose is dead. I believe ol' man, I believe ol' man I believe ol' man, that ol' man Mose is dead. (Now you believe) Mose kicked the bucket (You believe) Mose kicked the bucket (You believe) Mose kicked the bucket (You believe he's dead) (You believe) Mose kicked the bucket (You believe) Mose kicked the bucket (You believe) Mose kicked the bucket (You believe he's dead) Now listen here, I went round to the window And I peeped in through the crack, Inside there was an old man Laying flat upon his back I thought that he was sleeping Head hung to the floor He didn't make a single move So I ain't gonna do it no more 'cos I found out ol' man, I found out ol' man yeah, I found out ol' man, ol' man Mose is dead ('cos you found out) ol' man (you found out) ol' man (you found out) ol' man (you found out he's dead) (you found out) Mose kicked the bucket (you found out) Mose kicked the bucket (you found out) Mose kicked the bucket (you found out he's dead) (you found out) Mose kicked the bucket (you found out) Mose kicked the bucket (you found out) Mose kickin' up daisies (you found out he's dead) Old Man Mose is dead. (Contributed by Bill Huntley - December 2004) The Harry Fox Agency songfile.com site lists five songs titled "Old Man Mose." Songwriters: Louis Armstrong & Zilner Randolph Jesse Fuller Hal Bynum & Dave Kirby Gary Farr Staf Dierckx & Jan Van de Ven Are they all the same song? The Jesse Fuller and Louis Armstrong recordings are very different, but it's clearly the same song. -Joe- |
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07 Sep 10 - 08:07 PM (#2981933) Subject: RE: Old Man Mose From: beeliner The lyrics used by the Les Humphries Singers are substantially different, eliminating the reference to 'kick[ing] the bucket', which, one supposes, would be puzzling to their European audiences. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jN2ZDIBpmU I love songs that can't seem to decide whether they're in a Major or a minor key, of which this one is an excellent example. But I'd still like to know if the song was based on Al Capp's character, or he invented the character after hearing the song. |
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07 Sep 10 - 08:30 PM (#2981959) Subject: RE: Old Man Mose From: Q (Frank Staplin) Old Man Mose, Louis Armstrong and Zilner Randolph, ASCAP Work No. 410125725. Variations covered, Anne Rachel Music Corp., c/o Warner/Chapell Music Inc. First recorded 1935. Li'l Abner- initiated 1934. Don't know when Capp's Old Man Mose appeared in the strip. Both may be loosely based on an old folk tale. |
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07 Sep 10 - 09:07 PM (#2981984) Subject: RE: Old Man Mose From: GUEST,Uncle Rumpo ..and here's the 'contraversial' Eddy Duchin vesion from 1938.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbDKNHMDrEU |
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07 Sep 10 - 09:32 PM (#2981994) Subject: RE: Old Man Mose From: beeliner Li'l Abner- initiated 1934. Don't know when Capp's Old Man Mose appeared in the strip. The Li'l Abner dailies are available in book form, and I think that my local library might even have them. If so, it should be easy, and entertaining, to see if Mose appeared before 1935. |
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08 Sep 10 - 08:36 AM (#2982262) Subject: RE: Old Man Mose From: clueless don My apologies! Apparently, the character I was thinking of from The Phantom is Old Man Moz. Don |
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08 Sep 10 - 09:03 AM (#2982273) Subject: RE: Old Man Mose From: beeliner Don, that was a strip I never could get very interested in, it always seemd to me like a soap opera, nothing much ever seemed to happen. Lee Falk also wrote Mandrake, which is one of my all-time favorites, always exciting, suspenseful, and way ahead of its time in the 1940's and 50's in having a black man who was an important character and not just comedy relief. |
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08 Sep 10 - 01:53 PM (#2982482) Subject: RE: Old Man Mose From: Q (Frank Staplin) Terry and the Pirates, Milton Caniff, another released in book form (and attractively done with archives from Ohio State University). No Old Man Mose, but the Dragon Lady was a favorite of mine. |
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08 Sep 10 - 02:29 PM (#2982518) Subject: RE: Old Man Mose From: beeliner Capp and Caniff were close personal friends. and many readers assumed that Caniff was also Jewish; in fact, Capp once had a story line with a character named Milton Goniff. Caniff was in fact an Irish Catholic. |
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09 Feb 25 - 06:49 PM (#4216957) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ol' Man Mose (Louis Armstrong) From: GUEST,keberoxu There's a Louis Jordan song, "Jack, You're Dead", which references this song: "... You were always kickin', But you stubbed your toes, When you ups and kicks the bucket Just like ol' man Mose." |