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14 Sep 10 - 08:51 PM (#2986914) Subject: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rodgers From: olddude Dialog from 'The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson': His guest was Lee Marvin Johnny said, 'Lee, I'll bet a lot of people are unaware that you were a Marine in the initial landing at Iwo Jima ...and that during the course of that action you earned the Navy Cross and were severely wounded. 'Yeah, yeah... I got shot square in the bottom and they gave me the Cross for securing a hot spot about halfway up Suribachi. Bad thing about getting shot up on a mountain is guys getting' shot hauling you down. But,Johnny, at Iwo I served under the bravest man I ever knew... We both got the Cross the same day, but what he did for his Cross made mine look cheap in comparison. That dumb guy actually stood up on Red beach and directed his troops to move forward and get the hell off the beach. Bullets flying by, with mortar rounds landing everywhere and he stood there as the main target of gunfire so that he could get his men to safety. He did this on more than one occasion because his men's safety was more important than his own life. That Sergeant and I have been lifelong friends. When they brought me off Suribachi we passed the Sergeant and he lit a smoke and passed it to me, lying on my belly on the litter and said, 'Where'd they get you Lee?' 'Well Bob... If you make it home before me, tell Mom to sell the outhouse!' Johnny, I'm not lying, Sergeant Keeshan was the bravest man I ever knew. The Sergeant's name is Bob Keeshan. You and the world know him as Captain Kangaroo..' On another note, there was this wimpy little man (who just passed away) on PBS, gentle and quiet. Mr. Rogers is another of those you would least suspect of being anything but what he now portrays to our youth. But Mr. Rogers was a U.S. Navy Seal, combat-proven in Vietnam with over twenty-five confirmed kills to his name. He wore a long-sleeved sweater on TV, to cover the many tattoos on his forearm and biceps. He was a master in small arms and hand-to-hand combat, able to disarm or kill in a heartbeat After the war Mr. Rogers became an ordained Presbyterian minister and therefore a pacifist. Vowing to never harm another human and also dedicating the rest of his life to trying to help lead children on the right path in life. He hid away the tattoos and his past life and won our hearts with his quiet wit and charm. America's real heroes don't flaunt what they did; they quietly go about their day-to-day lives, doing what they do best. They earned our respect and the freedoms that we all enjoy. Look around and see if you can find one of those heroes in your midst. Often, they are the ones you'd least suspect, but would most like to have on your side if anything ever happened. . |
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14 Sep 10 - 08:52 PM (#2986915) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rodgers From: olddude I wonder if those are true. Someone sent them to me ... anyone know the answer? |
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14 Sep 10 - 08:53 PM (#2986917) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rodgers From: Wesley S All internet rumors if I'm not mistaken. |
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14 Sep 10 - 08:55 PM (#2986918) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rodgers From: Wesley S Truth or Fiction.com |
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14 Sep 10 - 08:56 PM (#2986919) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rodgers From: olddude Seems like it, I saw a write up on urban legends. Interesting, I post this because I keep getting this stuff passed around me in the email. Is anyone else getting this stuff also .. what is the purpose?? I don't get it |
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14 Sep 10 - 08:58 PM (#2986922) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rodgers From: Stilly River Sage Just the heading is enough to send off alarms. This is an urban legend that has made the rounds for many years. |
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14 Sep 10 - 09:02 PM (#2986924) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rodgers From: olddude Oh for sure, that is why I post it. I don't get it. I could list a dozen real life guys that really did what they claim, heck we all could many in our own families. Why make this stuff up, just up everyone's email ... what is their point for doing so ... I don't get it. If it is some sort of patriotism thing, there are many real life common people who walked the walk ... but why do this stuff.. go figure huh |
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14 Sep 10 - 09:19 PM (#2986926) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rodgers From: Alice Dan, check www.snopes.com whenever you get one of those forwarded emails. I've seen this one before and have had to tell friends who sent it to me that it is a hoax email. I always check snopes. Alice |
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14 Sep 10 - 09:31 PM (#2986930) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rodgers From: olddude snopes is a great site thank you for telling me Alice |
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14 Sep 10 - 09:36 PM (#2986933) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rodgers From: Ebbie Me too. I suspect that people who want the buzz of being the bearer of feel-good stories are the ones who pass them on, and maybe are the ones who create them. ( And I am NOT including you, in that, Dan!) Over the years I have gotten a number of emails like this one - usually from family or good friends - and I always try to be gentle when I break the news that 'tain't true. Unless there is a certain aggressiveness attached - then I'm not so gentle. :) |
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14 Sep 10 - 09:44 PM (#2986937) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rodgers From: olddude Ebbie, completely agree with you. feel good stories heck I understand but at least they could pass around ones that are true ... |
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14 Sep 10 - 10:13 PM (#2986942) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rodgers From: mg I believe that Lee Marvin and Bob Keeshan are true. The Mr. Rogers one does not sound true to me because he seemed old to be a Navy Seal in Vietnam but I could be wrong. mg |
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14 Sep 10 - 10:36 PM (#2986948) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rodgers From: Stilly River Sage This is an urban legend. The first one that got me, years ago, was the one that makes the rounds about Kurt Vonnegut. It was supposedly a commencement speech he made, and ended up with something like "wear sunscreen." I heard later that Vonnegut confirmed for someone that he didn't write it, but the thought the "wear sunscreen" remark was pretty good advice. :-) SRS |
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14 Sep 10 - 11:48 PM (#2986981) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rodgers From: Rapparee Wikipedia says: Fred McFeely Rogers (March 20, 1928 – February 27, 2003) was an American educator, Presbyterian minister, songwriter and television host. Rogers was the host of the television show Mister Rogers' Neighborhood, in production from 1968 to 2001. Well known for his gentle, soft-spoken personality and directness to his audiences, Rogers, over the course of his decades on television, became an indelible American icon of children's entertainment and education, as well as a symbol of compassion, patience and morality. He was also known for his advocacy of various public causes, such as timeshifting, for which he testified to the US Supreme Court, and using government funding to produce children's television rather than for the Vietnam War effort, for which he gave a successful and now-famous speech before the US Senate. On July 9, 2002, President George W. Bush awarded Fred Rogers the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the United States' highest civilian honor, for his contributions to children's education. The President stated "Fred Rogers has proven that television can soothe the soul and nurture the spirit and teach the very young". Thus at the beginning of WW2 he was 14 and would have been 18 in 1945. In 1951 he was at Dartmouth. By, say, 1965 he was an established TV personality. Nope, not WW2, or Korea, or Vietnam. Just a good man. |
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15 Sep 10 - 12:20 AM (#2986988) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rodgers From: Slag I happened to catch the, or at least A, Lee Marvin appearence on Jonny Carson and He told the story of getting shot in the butt. He said for years he never told anyone because it was so embarrassing. How he got into acting was a real charmer. He was working as a plummer and while fixing something or the other at the theater ( sorry, I don't remember which one, just New York City) someone did not show up for rehearsal. The directory asked him if he could read so the others could finish rehearsal and the rest, as they say, is history. I don't recall the mention of Keeshan by Mr. Marvin but I do recall elswhere that Keeshan was a WWII veteran, purple heart recipient. I am now interested in finding out more about him. He also played Clarabell the Clown on the Howdy Doody Show. Another fellow you wouldn't think of as a hero was Don Adams of "Get Smart" fame. I don't know about his medal records but he was in the fight for Guadalcanal. Like most, he wouldn't talk about the horrific experiences but it profoundly affected his life. In the brief bio I read it stated that until his dying day he would often wake up screaming in the night. Brrr. I have had the priviledge of knowing a few of these folks who were in the worst of the combat, both WWII, Korea and Nam. It affects / affected them. It couldtn't help but affect them. How each dealt with those memories varied widely but those are other stories. Why someone would sit around and make up stories and half truths, I don't know. It does no one any good and ultimately brings question down on those who have serve bravely and gallantly. God bless everyone of them who served and fought, for their commitment to this nation, its people, its ideals and standards. They gave so much, some their all, that we might enjoy the freedoms we have. |
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15 Sep 10 - 01:14 AM (#2987002) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rodgers From: Slag Just checked the webb on Bob Keeshan. Yup, he was a Marine, a reservist for the most part and never deployed overseas. Put that one to rest. My baby sister loved Capt. Kangaroo. I was several years older than she and teased her about Capt, Kangaroo-coo-coo! She'd get furious at me. And now I don't blame her. He was, by all accounts, a wonderful man. Lee Marvin was in the battle for Saipan when he took a round to the tukhes! It wasn't Iwo but it was the fiercest battle up to Iwo, a preview one might say of the horrors to come. A side note. I used to sneak out of my house and go to my friend's abode to smoke cigarets and watch Johnny Carson. This began in my junior year in high school. First period was history with Dr. Lewis Segasvary. I don't think I ever heard a thing he said as I was asleep. Had to take that one over in the summer! |
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15 Sep 10 - 01:19 AM (#2987003) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rodgers From: artbrooks Marvin was wounded at Saipan, not Iwo Jima. His highest decoration is the Purple Heart. He is buried in Arlington. Keeshan was in the Marines but never went overseas. Rogers was never in the US military. Adams was in the Marines on Guadalcanal; there is no record of any decorations. |
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15 Sep 10 - 07:23 AM (#2987103) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rodgers From: ragdall Nice stories. (sniff!) Dan, we have two friends who are urban legend magnets and never bother to check Snopes, even though they've been made well aware that they could check before forwarding. The most recent forward I got from one of them was about cell phones causing explosions at gas stations, "FW: Shell Oil Report! MUST READ, EVEN IF YOU DON'T OWN A CAR /cellphone". .... The Shell Oil Company recently issued a warning after three incidents in which mobile phones (cell phones) ignited fumes during fueling operationsShell denies issuing the warning. I wonder who makes these things up and what the motivation is to do so? rags |
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15 Sep 10 - 07:35 AM (#2987110) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rodgers From: ragdall While we're on the topic of hoax emails, I just came across a link to I Just Want To Thank You For Your "Idiot" E-mails! (you have to scroll down the middle of the page a bit to get past the ads to read it). I know that you're too kind to send that to anyone, Dan. rags |
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15 Sep 10 - 09:02 AM (#2987167) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rodgers From: Jim Dixon See also Snopes.com about Lee Marvin, Bob Keeshan, and Fred Rogers. I knew something was fishy when I read "ordained Presbyterian minister and therefore a pacifist." I was raised Presbyterian, and I know that Presbyterians are not pacifists, at least not as a matter of doctrine. There might be individual Presbyterians who are pacifists. I don't know whether Fred Rogers was a pacifist. Being opposed to the Vietnam War doesn't make you a pacifist. I like the idea of shattering stereotypes, however. Surely there must be some true stories out there that could make that same point. |
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15 Sep 10 - 10:01 AM (#2987206) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rogers From: Rapparee I have known two librarians who dropped into occupied Europe for the OSS during WW2. One created OCLC and the other was the director of the Toledo (OH) Public Library. I blow people's minds if I mention I was in the Infantry. When you really find out about people you needed make anything up. |
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15 Sep 10 - 10:17 AM (#2987219) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rogers From: Wesley S Well if we're going to talk about WW2 heros we need to mention Jimmie Stewart the bomber pilot. His record has been well documented. A biography I read of Stewart also mentioned a sargent in his outfit. Walter Matthau. Sometimes I think that these stories get started by folks who just want to see how far the story will go. They think of it as a success if the story gets into circulation. Maybe we should start one to see how far it gets. |
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15 Sep 10 - 04:46 PM (#2987500) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rogers From: Slag Andy Rooney at Normandy. Clark Gable, Bomber pilot (B-24, I believe), John Wayne, draft dodger, Donald Duck, propgandist! They all served in some way! |
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15 Sep 10 - 05:04 PM (#2987513) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rogers From: Alice Someone should put (email Hoax) in the title of this thread, as several of us now have pointed out that snopes.com explains that it is an email hoax being forwarded around. A. |
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15 Sep 10 - 05:31 PM (#2987535) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rogers From: Uncle_DaveO Alice, there's nothing at all misleading about the thread title. It is (at least initially) about those three people, and the title makes no further claims. Dave Oesterreich |
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15 Sep 10 - 05:40 PM (#2987542) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rogers From: frogprince I've wondered sometimes how many of these are circulated to collect lined series of email addresses. Every once in a while we get an "inspirational" one about some spiritual "miracle" that doesn't begin to ring true; those you have to send to everyone you know, "or you don't love Jesus"; I suspect that Jesus would puke. |
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15 Sep 10 - 06:06 PM (#2987570) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rogers From: VirginiaTam When I was 5 or 6, I wanted Captain Kangaroo to adopt me. My dad was in Korea for a year and I couldn't remember him so Captain Kangaroo seemed a good option. |
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15 Sep 10 - 06:49 PM (#2987607) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rogers From: Jim Dixon Dave: I suppose Alice is concerned that some people will read the first message and read no further, and thereby be misled. So it would be a good thing if the story were labeled a hoax right at the beginning. |
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15 Sep 10 - 07:43 PM (#2987631) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rogers From: Wesley S Whenever I get one of these bogus stories I usually ask the sender to send out a retraction to the folks they sent it to - does anyone else do that? Do you think the corrections ever get sent? |
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15 Sep 10 - 07:47 PM (#2987635) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rogers From: artbrooks I usually respond with "reply all". |
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15 Sep 10 - 07:50 PM (#2987638) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rogers From: Jim Dixon Wesley: I bet they don't. "A lie can make it half way around the world before the truth has time to put its boots on." --sometimes attributed to Mark Twain, but perhaps falsely! |
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15 Sep 10 - 08:23 PM (#2987655) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rogers From: Slag Music thread--- Bad news travels like wildfire. Good news travels slow. That's why the call me Wildfire, Everywhere I go! I'm Bad, Oh yes I'm bad! |
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15 Sep 10 - 11:42 PM (#2987735) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rogers From: LadyJean Having grown up in Pittsburgh, I know the Fred Rogers story. WQED Pittsburgh was the first "educational" television station in the U.S. In those early days of television, they had a show called "The Children's Corner" that featured a woman named Josey Carey, who talked to puppets that were worked by a student named Fred Rogers. Josey was a good deal funnier than Fred Rogers, and a little less preachy. But it was on her show that King Friday XIII, X the Owl, Henrietta Pussycat, Lady Elaine and Daniel Striped Tiger made their first appearance. (Hollowfox was a member of Daniel's Tame Tiger Torganization.) Josey left public television for commercial broadcasting. (I think I still have my Wing Ding membership card. Wing Ding was one of her shows.) Fred Rogers took over the show, eventually, and it became what it was, because he was what he was. Anyone who knew him, and a great many locals did, will tell you. He wasn't acting on that television show. That was what he was like. He and his wife lived, for many years, in a nice house in Squirrel Hill, a Pittsburgh neighborhood near the Universities. He was a member of Sixth Presbyterian Church. People would see him in the grocery store, or at one of the local restaurants and leave him alone. He was well liked, and mourned when he died. His church was sponsoring free concerts in his memory, but the money for them seems to have dried up. Like so many good things. |
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17 Sep 10 - 11:21 AM (#2988711) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rogers From: ragdall Whenever I get one of these bogus stories I usually ask the sender to send out a retraction to the folks they sent it to - does anyone else do that? Do you think the corrections ever get sent? Wesley, I've tried this, sent a link to Snopes, suggested that they check before sending, even used artbrooks's approach of replying to all. I have no reason to believe that either person retracted their emails. I know that chain letter warnings that defy logic. The ones that annoy me the most are the e-mails that hint that, should I ignore their instruction to forward their email to 500 of my closest friends, death or some other evil will befall me. I usually reply to the sender, tell them I don't appreciate getting death threats and ask them to remove me from their address book. rags |
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17 Sep 10 - 11:37 AM (#2988723) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rogers From: Ebbie Along with a note from me about checking snopes.com, I too do a 'reply all', even though it can be a tedious job. When a whole rank of addresses from previous recipients is visible but your friend sent it to only you, I copy/paste all those other names as CCs. I do it because of the ever-present hope that somebody along the line will wake up. |
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17 Sep 10 - 01:00 PM (#2988769) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rogers From: Jim Dixon Speaking of chain letters—I have read chain letters that contain statements like "Joe Blow broke the chain and he died." Have you ever thought through the chain of events that would have to happen in order for that statement to be true? First, you have to assume that the original version of the letter didn't mention Joe Blow, and someone added that information later, even though the letter says you're not supposed to alter it in any way. Suppose Nancy Jones was the one who altered the letter, in violation of the letter's instructions. Why didn't she die? Well, maybe she did die after she sent the altered letter. Anyway, she somehow got the news that Joe Blow had died after breaking the chain. She would have to get that news before she sent out her own copies of the letter. How did she get the news? Maybe she read it in the newspaper. But newspapers are unlikely to say, "Shortly before his death, Joe received a chain letter that he did not forward." She would have to know him, or know someone who knew him, and get the news that way. Maybe Nancy and Joe both received their letters from the same person. Call him Steve. Maybe Steve was the one who passed the information to Nancy that Joe had died. But wait a minute. She would know of his death, but how would she know he had broken the chain? How would anyone know? People who receive chain letters and don't intend to forward them are not likely to go around telling people that, but you have to assume Joe did tell someone (maybe Steve), otherwise no one would know. Then there is the question of timing. The letter states "You must forward this letter within five days, or else…" Now it wouldn't be fair to have Joe die before the 5 days was up—he could have changed his mind at the last minute. So Joe must have died on the sixth day, or later. But if Nancy and Joe both got their letters on the same day, Nancy would have already sent out her own letters before Joe died. Nancy would have to be more than one "degree of separation" from Steve. Maybe Steve sent a letter to Linda who sent a letter to Nancy. That would give Nancy enough time to alter her letter to include the news about Joe without breaking the chain herself. But it also lengthens the chain of communication, and makes it less likely that it would happen at all, let alone happen fast enough to catch up with the letters. The whole scenario is so improbable that it is virtually impossible for it to be true, or even sincere. That is, it is hard to believe the story could even be sincerely reported by a gullible and superstitious person (if that's who you assume Nancy was). No, the person who first wrote about Joe's demise would practically have to be, not a sincere but deluded person, but a bald-faced liar. But maybe you knew that already. |
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17 Sep 10 - 06:04 PM (#2988955) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rogers From: Slag To Whom It May Concern: I've broken every chain letter I've ever received. Started getting them when I first moved out on my own ca 1967. Hasn't got me yet. Well, my dog died, but it was 14 years old. |
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19 Sep 10 - 12:51 AM (#2989517) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rogers From: 3refs "Keeshan was born in Lynbrook, New York. In 1945, during World War II, he enlisted in the United States Marine Corps Reserve, but was still in the United States when Japan surrendered. He attended Fordham University on the GI Bill. An urban legend claims that actor Lee Marvin said on The Tonight Show that he had fought alongside Keeshan at the Battle of Iwo Jima in February-March, 1945. However, Marvin not only never said this, but had not served on Iwo Jima (having been hospitalized from June 1944 until October 1945, from wounds received in the Battle of Saipan),[1] and Keeshan himself never saw combat, having enlisted too late to serve overseas".[2] Too bad! Nice story! |
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19 Sep 10 - 02:36 AM (#2989536) Subject: RE: BS: Lee Marvin Captain Kangaroo, Mr Rogers From: Ebbie Jim Dixon, I think you've got it figured out. :) |