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19 Oct 10 - 01:40 PM (#3010818) Subject: BS: Saudi Prince / Hattie Carroll From: Rafflesbear Remarkable parallels so far in the stories of William Zinzanger and Saud Abdulaziz bin Nasser al Saud, found guilty at the Old Bailey in London of the murder of his servant Bandar Abdulaziz We shall soon see whether the endings of the stories are similar |
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19 Oct 10 - 02:17 PM (#3010837) Subject: RE: BS: Saudi Prince / Hattie Carroll From: Rafflesbear Saudi prince William Zanzinger |
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19 Oct 10 - 02:24 PM (#3010847) Subject: RE: BS: Saudi Prince / Hattie Carroll From: McGrath of Harlow That picture isn't the prince, it's the man he killed. |
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19 Oct 10 - 02:30 PM (#3010854) Subject: RE: BS: Saudi Prince / Hattie Carroll From: Rafflesbear It was not meant to be the picture but the story, so that people arriving new to this could compare it with Dylan's lyrics |
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19 Oct 10 - 03:30 PM (#3010903) Subject: RE: BS: Saudi Prince / Hattie Carroll From: Dave Hanson There is no comparison, the victim was the Saudi Prince's sex slave, poor bugger, he was so subjugated he couldn't even fight back FFS Dave H |
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19 Oct 10 - 05:10 PM (#3010984) Subject: RE: BS: Saudi Prince / Hattie Carroll From: Rafflesbear No comparison? Man of wealth and influence murdering a defenceless servant for no apparent reason and found guilty in a court of law Just waiting to see if there is a final similarity either in the sentence or in any diplomatic deals after the event. |
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19 Oct 10 - 06:36 PM (#3011047) Subject: RE: BS: Saudi Prince / Hattie Carroll From: McGrath of Harlow He'll be sentenced to life. And before very long the option of serving his sentence in Saudi Arabia will be made available. What happens next if he were sent back would depend on how much influence his family has back home - and also how they see such matters, particularly the homosexual aspect. He might indeed prefer not to take up that option. |
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20 Oct 10 - 03:43 AM (#3011249) Subject: RE: BS: Saudi Prince / Hattie Carroll From: Dave Hanson Unfortunately Rafflesbear the true facts about Hattie Carrolls death don't tally with Bob Dylans excellent but not wholly true song. Dave H |
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20 Oct 10 - 05:15 AM (#3011293) Subject: RE: BS: Saudi Prince / Hattie Carroll From: Rafflesbear Apart from a minimum of poetic licence what bits are wrong Dave? Washington Post |
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20 Oct 10 - 09:29 AM (#3011409) Subject: RE: BS: Saudi Prince / Hattie Carroll From: Dave Hanson Minimum of poetic license ? you too have a good imagination, Zantzinger ' tapped ' her on the shoulder with a toy cane, her death was caused by an undiagnosed heart condition, not like Bob said, William Zanzinger killed poor Hattie Carroll, With a cane that he twirled round his diamond ringed finger. You don't kill someone buy tapping them on the shoulder. You should research the old thread about Billy Zantzinger, all the truth is there if you look. Dave H |
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20 Oct 10 - 09:35 AM (#3011414) Subject: RE: BS: Saudi Prince / Hattie Carroll From: Arnie As homosexuality is officially banned in Saudi Arabia, I suspect that this Saudi prince will claim asylum in the UK - once he's finished his 'bird' that is. Not sure what the sentence is in Saudi for homosexuality, but under Sharia law I don't suppose it would be 200hrs community service. |
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20 Oct 10 - 10:19 AM (#3011447) Subject: RE: BS: Saudi Prince / Hattie Carroll From: George Papavgeris The sentence for homosexuality in Saudi Arabia is death. I think it is automatic too, no discussion or bargaining. |
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20 Oct 10 - 11:28 AM (#3011515) Subject: RE: BS: Saudi Prince / Hattie Carroll From: Rafflesbear I've looked and read the extensive Telegraph report which ties in with Dylan - and while looking I also found these - Dave Hanson 2009 and again what made you change your mind Dave? |
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20 Oct 10 - 12:36 PM (#3011576) Subject: RE: BS: Saudi Prince / Hattie Carroll From: Rafflesbear sentenced to life with minimum 20 years - ok so far .... |
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21 Oct 10 - 04:11 AM (#3012021) Subject: RE: BS: Saudi Prince / Hattie Carroll From: Dave Hanson I haven't changerd my mind Rafflesbear, he was a total shithouse of a human being, but the facts remain the same. This Saudi Prince is on film violently assaulting his victim with his fists, leaves, then comes back for another go, how does this compare with Zantzinger hitting Hattie Carroll once on the shoulder with a toy cane ? DAve H |
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21 Oct 10 - 09:08 AM (#3012155) Subject: RE: BS: Saudi Prince / Hattie Carroll From: GUEST,Patsy It isn't the first time that a servant has been badly treated and probably many more acts of cruelty going on right now. I predict that a few more stories of cruelty will come to light as it does after cases like these. |
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21 Oct 10 - 11:22 AM (#3012234) Subject: RE: BS: Saudi Prince / Hattie Carroll From: Dave Hanson Arab Princes regard servants as property not people. Dave H |
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21 Oct 10 - 12:32 PM (#3012287) Subject: RE: BS: Saudi Prince / Hattie Carroll From: MGM·Lion Why is this thread BS and not above the line? ~~ it is explicitly referent to Bob Dylan's {imo} best song [tho I have read , & contribd to, previous threads on it and know its historicity is not 100% accurate]. ~Michael~ |