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09 Nov 10 - 06:32 AM (#3027455) Subject: Lal Waterson Radio4 13.30 Tues 9th From: Nicholas Waller Apologies if someone else mentioned this before (though I saw no evidence from the last 7 days) but at half past one on BBC Radio 4 this afternoon (Tues 9th November 2010) there's a programme about Lal Waterson. I assume after the broadcast it will become available on Listen Again - check out http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00vrvqh Once in a Blue Moon: The Songs of Lal Waterson The story of one of the great folk singers and writers of our time, Lal Waterson. Lal Waterson's voice was stark but captivating and it's been said that the songs she wrote were close to German cabaret or chanson. They were lyrically ambitious and melodically powerful. Since her death in 1998, her reputation has grown and now she is placed alongside the great singer song-writers like Nick Drake and Richard Thompson. She was a member of the famous Waterson family and numbered among other relatives the folk singer Martin Carthy and his daughter Eliza. In this feature, Robin Denselow explores the life and legacy of Lal Waterson and assesses her impact on song-writers today. |
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09 Nov 10 - 08:13 AM (#3027504) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: mattkeen Thank you for posting that |
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09 Nov 10 - 10:27 AM (#3027587) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker thanks, but sadly too late "Availability: Sorry, this programme is not available to listen again" any repeats likely ?? or helpful hints to rapidshare/megaupload etc downloads.. ??? |
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09 Nov 10 - 10:43 AM (#3027600) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: John MacKenzie I heard it today, and it was a very enjoyable programme. I hope it will become available again soon. |
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09 Nov 10 - 10:46 AM (#3027601) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: John MacKenzie Sorry, but I just double checked and it says here that you have 7 days left to listen. I assume it will only be available within the UK as it's a BBC production. |
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09 Nov 10 - 10:50 AM (#3027605) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,Chris Brady Only 'watch it agains' are restricted to the UK - due to bandwidth restrictions; 'listen agains' - aka audios - should be OK from overseas. Can be captured using Audacity (use 'Stereo Mix' setting and Options / Software Playthrough) or Orbit or Flashget. |
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09 Nov 10 - 10:56 AM (#3027608) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker brilliant... thanks John.. maybe some one sensible at the BBC read this thread in the last half hour and sorted it out for us... Now just need a repeat [or download] of the 'lost' "Bright Phoebus" radio documentary from a couple of years ago.. |
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09 Nov 10 - 11:19 AM (#3027630) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,Chris Brady Lots of info. here: http://search.bbc.co.uk/search?go=toolbar&uri=/&q=waterson but no watch or listen agains. |
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09 Nov 10 - 11:41 AM (#3027644) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: TopcatBanjo Not sure why there is confusion as I have just listened to this on iPlayer, but here's the direct link: Lal Waterson prog on R4 Listen Again Very interesting and enjoyable programme. |
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09 Nov 10 - 03:06 PM (#3027787) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST Thanks for the link - it worked for me. |
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10 Nov 10 - 05:48 AM (#3028175) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,folkwaller I was lucky enough to hear the programme. It is well worth tracking down to listen to. |
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10 Nov 10 - 07:47 AM (#3028218) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST Anyone able to identify the song that plays out the programme? Thanks |
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10 Nov 10 - 08:28 AM (#3028247) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST Anyone able to identify the song that plays out the programme? It's called 'Stumbling On'. Lal's version is on her Once In A Blue Moon album. You can hear it on youtube: here Eliza Carthy also does a fine version on her Red Rice release, but I can't immediatly find an online version. Buy the CD! |
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10 Nov 10 - 01:11 PM (#3028425) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: Phil Edwards Thanks for the tip - that was good stuff. I must admit, I hadn't realised how dark some(?) of Lal's lyrics were - while I was listening to the programme I googled "sitting in a shower of rain" and was stopped in my tracks by "Never the same". (I mean, I thought the Scarecrow was a bit grim...) My only grimpe* is that I do get tired of hearing about people who revolutionised the folk scene, turned it upside down, gave it a much-needed kick in the pants, etc, etc. It seems to be obligatory to say that about anyone who's any good - as if "folkie" was synonymous with "conservative mediocrity", so simply saying someone was a folkie and a good one would be like saying they were particularly good at mowing lawns. At least Robin Denselow didn't mention *r*n sw**t*rs... *Typo, but I think I'll keep it. I grimpe, you grimpe, they're forever grimpering... |
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10 Nov 10 - 03:24 PM (#3028581) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,S Byers "Now just need a repeat [or download] of the 'lost' "Bright Phoebus" radio documentary from a couple of years ago.. Sadly this is not available anywhere - but you might put out an appeal at http://www.radioarchive.cc |
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10 Nov 10 - 05:05 PM (#3028681) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: oldstrings Thanks to Nicholas for posting this, and Topcat Banjo for removing the mysteries of accessing it! I remember Lal as a shy, awkward, thin and pale young woman; the opposite of Norma, circa original Watersons. I hadn't heard much about her since, and this programme was of great interest. |
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10 Nov 10 - 06:22 PM (#3028762) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: Nicholas Waller My pleasure! (ie posting this). I hadn't heard any trailers, I just happened to glance at the Radio 4 schedule a couple of hours beforehand and noticed the name and thought it worth mentioning in these parts. |
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11 Nov 10 - 04:54 AM (#3029100) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: mattkeen A great songwriter I think - as is her brother Mike |
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11 Nov 10 - 09:18 AM (#3029262) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: Willa Thanks to those who raised this and made it accessible. I loved it; I do sing a few of Lal's songs, but never had the pleasure of hearing her live. |
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13 Nov 10 - 08:04 AM (#3030998) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: John MacKenzie On the strength of this programme, I bought Bright Phoebus, and Once in a Blue Moon. I had been meaning to buy the former for ages, but always forgot. Bright Phoebus is sensational, and I love almost all of the songs on it. However, was it just me, or did anyone else hear echoes of Rocky Raccoon and Eleanor Rigby in there. Not a criticism, just a passing thought. Once in a Blue Moon, is much deeper, and having listened to it twice so far, I'm still making up my mind about it. |
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13 Nov 10 - 06:18 PM (#3031363) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,Ed 'Bright Phoebus' is indeed a fine album. I'm curious as to your "echoes of Rocky Raccoon and Eleanor Rigby"? Which songs are you thinking of? At a push I can hear something of 'Rocky Racoon' in 'Rubber Band' but that's about it. Keep at 'Once in a Blue Moon' It's not the easiest record, and it's quite dark sometimes, but it repays repeated listening. |
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14 Nov 10 - 02:17 AM (#3031603) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,Ralphie Mr McKenzie said "I bought Bright Phoebus". Jolly good, except that the family will not receive a penny, as the Celtic Music situation rumbles on. I'm not in anyway blaming you, but just thought you'd like to know that your money is in the hands of someone other than Lals family. And, I have a recording of the R4 doc "Lost Albums, Bright Phoebus" from a few years ago. |
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14 Nov 10 - 05:17 AM (#3031650) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: John MacKenzie Amazon never mentioned Dave Bulmer, Ralphie. How else do I get a copy anyway? It's either that or copy someone else's disc, either way the people who should be paid, aren't. Not condoning Mr Bulmer's greed, just stating facts. I spoke to a well known singer songwriter last night, and we happened to mention copying CD's. His response was, as a songwriter he was happy that his songs got out there, but as a singer he would miss the income. So it's a sort of no win situation, I'm afraid. |
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14 Nov 10 - 05:58 AM (#3031662) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,Ralphie Amazon wouldn't even know about Bulmer. Why should they? And as I said above, I certainly am not blaming anyone for buying badly produced CD-Rs. If that is all that is available. The money for Bulmer is peanuts anyway. Which is why I can't understand what prevents him from doing a deal with all the artists on the old Leader/Trailer labels that he legitemately owns the rights to? Everyone would make a lot more than they are now. (Apart from the ones who are now dead of course,) Even in these financially straightened times. A complete box set of all of Nic Jones output, complete with sumptuous booklet (a la Sandy Denny, Fairport, and many others) could be a money spinner for him, and the artists as well. After all Neil Wayne did the same with the Free Reed recordings over the past few years, and jolly good they are too. Well, I'm not holding my breath on this one. It's just so sad. I hope Mr Bulmer sleeps soundly at night. |
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14 Nov 10 - 03:30 PM (#3032068) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: BTNG Bulmer has slept soundly for years as I'm sure you have Ralphie... anyway back to what this thread is really about...the programme is available outside of Britain, I'm listening to it right at this moment (14th November 2010) BTNG |
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14 Nov 10 - 03:54 PM (#3032091) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,Ralphie Good to know that it is available to listen again outside of the UK. (Although I think it will disappear from the BBC Listen Again facility in a day or so) Not so good to know that you have posted with no real name BTNG, So, I'll treat your other remark the way I treat all anonymous postings, by ignoring it. |
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15 Nov 10 - 09:08 AM (#3032629) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,Chris B. Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 14 Nov 10 - 02:17 AM Mr McKenzie said "I bought Bright Phoebus". Jolly good, except that the family will not receive a penny, as the Celtic Music situation rumbles on. I'm not in anyway blaming you, but just thought you'd like to know that your money is in the hands of someone other than Lals family. And, I have a recording of the R4 doc "Lost Albums, Bright Phoebus" from a few years ago. ====== That R4 doc. "Lost Albums, Bright Phoebus" could do with uploading to TheBox.bz or RapidShare.com - so that others may also listen to it. I can do this if you wish. ====== |
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15 Nov 10 - 09:09 AM (#3032630) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,Chris B. I have the latest BBC doc. on MP3 (see OP) if anyone wants it. |
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16 Nov 10 - 09:49 AM (#3033502) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,Paul Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,Chris B. Date: 15 Nov 10 - 09:09 AM I have the latest BBC doc. on MP3 (see OP) if anyone wants it. --------------------- I would be very grateful indeed if you could upload it to sendspace or something. Been having a nightmare here struggling with iPlayer to try and listen to it before the time ran out. Does anyone have the Bright Phoebus doc for upload as well? Thanks! |
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16 Nov 10 - 10:29 AM (#3033524) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker please, I would also be grateful for a link to an upload of "Lost Albums, Bright Phoebus" I only managed to listen to the first half of the Saturday afternoon broadcast before the mrs dragged me out to the shops.. and for whatever reason was unable to listen again on BBC i player. cheers... |
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16 Nov 10 - 01:01 PM (#3033655) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,Chris B. Good apps. for recording BBC audio is either Audacity (set to Options / 'Software Playthrough' and using 'Stereo Mix') or the various sound recording apps. of NCH at htto://www.nchsoftware.com/index.html The said prog. is temporarily uploaded to: http://www.mediafire.com/?xm0gg8jn72m7oy2 It will disappear after 10 downloads or 60 days - which ever is soonest. |
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16 Nov 10 - 01:08 PM (#3033660) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,Paul amazing, thanks! |
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16 Nov 10 - 05:58 PM (#3033883) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: Phil Edwards "The said prog" = the one in the Subject line, right? Not the Bright Phoebus doc. |
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17 Nov 10 - 05:49 AM (#3034161) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST Sadly the Bright Phoebus doc. is not in the public domain right now. |
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17 Nov 10 - 05:57 AM (#3034168) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,Ed Thank you Chris, for uploading it. |
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17 Nov 10 - 06:34 AM (#3034191) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST Aha - I see the issue. I've now renamed the file "once_in_a_blue_moon-documentary.2010-11-09.mp3" - it is NOT the music CD of the same name. |
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17 Nov 10 - 08:28 AM (#3034272) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,Chris B re: "Bright Phoebus" BBC Documentary - "Lost Albums: Bright Phoebus" Tuesday 8 May 2007 13:30-14:00 (Radio 4 FM) Repeated: Saturday 12 May 2007 15:30-16:00 (Radio 4 FM) http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/lostalbums/pip/ux1hf/ Music journalist Pete Paphides reveals the stories and music behind some of the great albums which have been lost in the mists of time. Folk legends Mike Waterson, Martin Carthy and Ashley Hutchings talk about the writing and recording of the 1972 album now considered one of the definitive recordings of the genre. When it was released, it was shunned by both critics and audiences. Appeals have gone out for a copy of this programmes to: www.TheBox.bz # www.radioarchive.cc # news:uk.music.folk # news:rec.music.folk |
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17 Nov 10 - 07:52 PM (#3034748) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: jacko@nz Thanks for that link Chris Jack ps Hope things are well with you |
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19 Nov 10 - 04:55 PM (#3036242) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,Chris B - Bright Phoebus BBC Documentary - "Lost Albums: Bright Phoebus" I have contacted someone on another forum who has a copy. But its on his hard-drive on his computer in store in Israel. However due to the interest on that forum and this one he's going to try and retrieve it for me. We'll get a copy for folks here eventually. |
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30 Nov 10 - 10:02 AM (#3043533) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: Spleen Cringe Great stuff. Now I just wish there was way of seeing the Lal Waterson tribute at the BBC Electric Proms... missed it at the time. |
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30 Nov 10 - 10:44 AM (#3043569) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST There's a few things on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laIlYccDc2k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZDENoSQ4uA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuDpGbXuBlc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5ejyrs2FSg |
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30 Nov 10 - 12:02 PM (#3043605) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe Thanks! |
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30 Nov 10 - 05:12 PM (#3043848) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,Chris B. Sadly the "Lal Waterson tribute at the BBC Electric Proms" is not on TheBox.bz nor is there a torrent file out there. |
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01 Dec 10 - 09:51 AM (#3044139) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 13.30 Tues From: GUEST,Chris B. See: http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=133942 |
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11 Mar 16 - 06:14 AM (#3777975) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 Nov 2010 From: Rain Dog Once in a Blue Moon: The Songs of Lal Waterson This was on BBC Radio 4 Extra this morning. It is available on the BBC iplayer for a further 29 days Once in a Blue Moon |
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11 Mar 16 - 08:42 AM (#3778001) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 Nov 2010 From: GUEST Does anyone know the number of the house in Park Avenue, Hull where she lived? There is, at present, no blue plaque on it like there is on the houses of Amy Johnson and Anthony Minghella. But there should be. |
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02 Apr 16 - 06:02 AM (#3782767) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 Nov 2010 From: GUEST Dave Bulmer of Celtic Music died a few years ago - isn't Mike Waterson now dead? Whether this has led to a resolution of the disputes between DB and the artists formerly with Leader Music (if I ahve got the facts right) I do not know. There is I think a whole thread about this; my impression is that it was not just a simple case of greed on DB's part - if so he would have released a lot of the music and not paid the artists what they were legally entitled to. I suspect once people began to criticise him this got his back up and he became fairly intransigent (I emphasise that on the whole my sympathies would have been with the artists). Anyway a sad situation all round. I bought a vinyl version of "Bright Phoebus" in the early 1970s (I still have it though don't have a normal working turntable to play it on. although I do have one of those ones which enable you to convert to digital format). I think the vinyl version is worth around £50. I also remember hearing (at least some of) the radio program about Bright Phoebus while travelling in the car some years ago. |
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21 Aug 19 - 11:38 AM (#4005377) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 Nov 2010 From: FreddyHeadey available again, until ~mid September 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00vrvqh |
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18 Sep 19 - 01:15 PM (#4009451) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 Nov 2010 From: GeoffLawes Well worth a listen but hurry because availability expires on Thursday 6:00am Film of the Watersons " Travelling for a Living" available free from the BFI https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-travelling-for-a-living-1966-online |
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19 Sep 19 - 10:41 AM (#4009582) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 Nov 2010 From: GeoffLawes T |
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19 Sep 19 - 10:45 AM (#4009583) Subject: RE: Lal Waterson BBC Radio4 Nov 2010 From: GeoffLawes The Lal Waterson programme on Radio 4 has been updated and is still avaiable , Expires today 8:00pm. |