BS: Tea Party Soap Opera

14 Nov 10 - 01:55 AM (#3031593)
Subject: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: Jack the Sailor

I signed on to chat board a while ago in the vain hope that these people were something other than a Republican front. They have been sending me emails since. These three emails tell an interesting store and say much about the temperament character and judgment of the Tea Party.   


DC Insiders Indoctrinating OUR Freshmen‏

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You're receiving this email because of your relationship with Tea Party Patriots.
Don't Let Them Steal OUR New Members of Congress
Dear Fellow Patriots,


A situation has arisen with the Freshmen Orientation being sponsored by Tea Party Patriots this weekend, and we need your help.

DC insiders, the RNC, and lobbyists are already trying to push the Tea Party aside and co-opt the incoming Congressmen.

Several days after we announced our Freshman Orientation another organization, Claremont Institute, announced that they were having one too, on the same day, at the same time. They are promoting theirs in a way that makes it appear as an "Official" Freshman Orientation, and it is causing some confusion with the Freshmen. When we realized the conflict, we reached out to Claremont (Brian Kennedy, President - [e-mail] * Phone: [phone]), let them know that we had a facility reserved and that we had spent in excess of a hundred thousand dollars flying in local tea party coordinators, and arranging the facility for this meeting. In a gesture of goodwill, we offered to combine events. We were summarily and, we thought rudely, dismissed by Claremont. We thought this was strange, in light of the fact that Claremont is normally a great organization, so we began to dig in and do some research. Here's what we found:



1. TPP Event

a. Organized by and for local tea party coordinators around the country.

b. Partnered with Constitutional Congress, a new 501(c)(3) organization chaired by retiring Rep. John Shadegg, which intends to teach newly elected members to govern according to the Constitution.

c. Keynote speaker - Attorney General Edwin Meese, who served under President Reagan and will speak to the freshmen about governing according to the Constitution.

d. Supported by true reformers in the Congress, including Sen. Jim DeMint, Sen. Tom Coburn, and Congressman John Shadegg.



2. Claremont Institute Event

a. Coordinated by lobbyists and campaign consultants. They are apparently trying to make sure that instead of sitting with grassroots tea party leaders from around the country, the lobbyists and consultants can sink their claws into the freshmen, and begin to "teach them" the ways of DC. The invitation lists prominent lobbyists and campaign consultants in DC as the "coordinators", including:



i. Chip Saltsman: Saltsman is a longtime DC insider and political consultant. He is most infamous for withdrawing his candidacy for RNC Chairman one day before the election following a controversy regarding his Christmas gift to almost 200 members of the RNC copies of a CD containing the song "BaracktheMagicNegro"



ii. Tim Powers: Powers is another long time DC insider and the former Deputy Director of the Republican National Committee's (RNC) Congressional Affairs and Strategic Planning. He is listed as Co-Chairman and Co-Founder of a lobbying firm in DC, Artemis Strategies. Their website says that "Artemis Strategies is a well respected Washington, D.C. asset. Prior to co-founding Artemis Strategies in the fall of 2002, Mr. Powers operated PowerStrategies, a public affairs and government relations firm he founded." Powers appears to be   the quintessential DC insider and lobbyist.

         

b. Keynote Speaker - Talk Show Host - Bill Bennett

c. Supported by none of the reformers in Congress. Instead it's a lobbyist / political consultant event for the Freshmen.


Here is where you come in.


Do you want the first event your incoming Freshman Congressmen attend to be an event hosted by the grassroots Local Coordinators of Tea Party Patriots and the Congressmen and Senators who are willing to support them in their drive to restore the US Constitution? Or would you rather they attend an indoctrination organized by DC insiders and lobbyists, members of The Ruling Class? Do you want your incoming Freshmen Congressmen to attend an event where they will get the support, encouragement, and knowledge they need to begin to restore our Constitution or do you want them to attend an event where DC insiders can begin to corrupt them?



The water in the Potomac is infected with the politics of the past and needs to be boiled to be cleansed and then steeped in fresh tea. You are the fresh tea. Today we need your help.


We need you to call & email these incoming Congressmen & tell them you want them to attend YOUR Tea Party Patriots event.


Explain the differences between the two events. We need to make sure they understand that the Claremont event is not an "official" event but one put on by lobbyists, for which they are being asked to skip the TPP and Constitutional Congress event. They need to know what you, their new constituents, think about their choice, and how you'll react if they choose to ignore the grassroots and immediately get in bed with DC lobbyists and RNC insiders.



Below is a list of all incoming Freshmen who have been invited to attend. Please call and email them, especially if they are your Representative, and let them know your opinion.

Please do this right away!


It looks like this is our first chance to stand against the DC status quo. Let's show them that you won't tolerate politics as usual and show them the power of the Tea Party.

Contact Info for Newly Elected Congressmen
Dist         First Name        Last Name                 Phone                 Email
AL-02        Martha        Roby        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
AL-05        Mo        Brooks        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
AR-01        Rick        Crawford        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
AR-02        Tim        Griffin        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
AR-03        Steve        Womack        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
AZ-01        Paul        Gosar        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
AZ-03        Benjamin        Quayle        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
AZ-05        Dave        Schweikert        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
AZ-08        Jesse        Kelly        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
CA-11        David        Harmer        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
CA-19        Jeff        Denham        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
CA-20        Andy        Vidak                          -        [e-mail]
CO-03        Scott        Tipton        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
CO-04        Cory        Gardner        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
FL-02        Steve        Southerland        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
FL-05        Richard        Nugent        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
FL-08        Daniel        Webster        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
FL-12        Dennis        Ross        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
FL-22        Allen        West        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
FL-24        Sandy        Adams        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
FL-25        David        Rivera        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
GA-07        Rob        Woodall        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
GA-08        Austin        Scott        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
GA-09        Tom        Graves        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
ID-01        Raul        Labrador        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
IL-08        Joe        Walsh                 [phone]        -        [e-mail]
IL-10        Bob        Dold                 [phone]        -        [e-mail]
IL-11        Adam        Kinzinger        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
IL-14        Randy        Hultgren        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
IL-17        Bobby        Schilling        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
IN-03        Marlin        Stutzman        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
IN-04        Todd        Rokita        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
IN-08        Larry        Bucshon        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
IN-09        Todd        Young        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
KS-01        Tim        Huelskamp                 [phone]        -        [e-mail]
KS-03        Kevin        Yoder        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
KS-04        Michael        Pompeo        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
KY-06        Andy        Barr        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
LA-03        Jeff        Landry        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
MD-01        Andy        Harris        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
MI-01        Dan        Benishek        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
MI-02        Bill        Huizenga        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
MI-03        Justin        Amash        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
MI-07        Tim        Walberg        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
MN-08        Chip        Cravaack        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
MO-04        Vicky        Hartzler        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
MO-07        Billy        Long        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
MS-01        Alan        Nunnelee        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
MS-04        Steven        Palazzo        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
NC-02        Renee        Ellmers                          -        [e-mail]
ND-AL        Rick        Berg        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
NH-01        Frank        Guinta        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
NH-02        Charlie        Bass        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
NJ-03        Jon        Runyan        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
NM-02        Steve        Pearce        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
NV-03        Joe        Heck        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
NY-13        Michael        Grimm        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
NY-19        Nan        Hayworth        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
NY-20        Chris        Gibson        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
NY-24        Richard        Hanna        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
NY-25        Ann Marie        Buerkle        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
NY-29        Tom        Reed        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
OH-01        Steve        Chabot        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
OH-06        Bill        Johnson        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
OH-15        Steve        Stivers        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
OH-16        Jim        Renacci        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
OH-18        Bob        Gibbs        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
OK-05        James        Lankford        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
PA-03        Mike        Kelly        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
PA-07        Pat        Meehan        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
PA-08        Mike        Fitzpatrick        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
PA-10        Tom        Marino        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
PA-11        Lou        Barletta        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
SC-01        Tim        Scott        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
SC-03        Jeff        Duncan        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
SC-04        Trey        Gowdy        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
SC-05        Mick        Mulvaney        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
SD-AL        Kristi        Noem        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
TN-03        Chuck        Fleischmann        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
TN-04        Scott        Desjarlais        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
TN-06        Diane        Black        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
TN-08        Steve        Fincher        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
TX-17        Bill        Flores        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
TX-23        Quico        Canseco        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
TX-27        R. Blake        Farenthold        -        [phone]                 
VA-02        Scott        Rigell        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
VA-05        Robert        Hurt        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
VA-09        Morgan        Griffith        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
VA-11        Keith        Fimian        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
WA-02        John        Koster        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
WA-03        Jaime        Herrera        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
WA-09        Dick        Muri        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
WI-07        Sean        Duffy        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
WI-08        Reid        Ribble        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
WV-01        David        McKinley        -        [phone]        -        [e-mail]
You are the heart and soul of the Tea Party Movement. Thank you for promoting the causes of fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government, and free markets with us!

Your Tea Party Patriots National Coordinator Team,
Debbie Dooley, Jenny Beth Martin, Mark Meckler, Sally Oljar, Diana Reimer, and Dawn Wildman

TPP Support email: [e-mail]
TPP Support phone number: 404-593-0877

Jenny Beth Martin ([e-mail], on Tiwtter @jenuinejen, on Facebook)
Dawn Wildman ([e-mail])
Mark Meckler ([e-mail])
Debbie Dooley ([e-mail])


Tea Party Patriots, Inc. operates as a social welfare organization organized under section 501(c)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code. Contributions to Tea Party Patriots, Inc. are not deductible as charitable contributions for income tax purposes.

1025 Rose Creek Dr, 620-322, Woodstock, GA 30189
http://teapartypatriots.org/

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14 Nov 10 - 02:00 AM (#3031597)
Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: Jack the Sailor

**UPDATE** DC Insiders Indoctrinating OUR Freshmen‏

Freshman Orientation:
You are Being Heard!

Thank you for making calls to your Congressmen-elect urging them to attend our freshman orientation this weekend.

We have had reports from Congressmen-Elect's staff that they have received 500+ phone calls in less than 24 hours. When the Tea Party decides to make its collective voice heard all at once it's a bit like dropping a nuclear bomb. The government fears us, which is good for freedom. You are making your voices heard and they know that you are watching and will continue to do so.

For the moment, we are asking you to stop making calls.


It appears the freshmen have heard our voices. We have had several additional RSVPs from the people you called saying they will attend our event instead. Some people cannot attend due to previous commitments. We understand that. Several are working to change their schedules. We appreciate that.

We listed the contact information we had for these freshmen and we now know that some of it was personal cell phone numbers or fax numbers. This list was the best information we had at the time. We also understand that sometimes members of Congress find it annoying to receive numerous calls from voters. But we encourage them to remember it is part of the job and they asked to be hired. This will not be the last time.

Since we have made our voices heard, it is time to allow the freshmen a chance to change their plans and see how many are going to listen to what we had to say. (It is awfully hard to change your flight plans over the phone when the other line is ringing nonstop.) Additionally, we are asking that if you posted these phone numbers on your Facebook page or blog, let's remove them at this point. We will send a list of their official phone numbers and email addresses as soon as it becomes available.

We'd like to extend a special thank you to a few Congressmen-Elect who RSVPed early this week and to several who have RSVPed in response to your calls.

Also a special thank you to Tom Graves from Georgia, who has apparently been replying to almost every email he has received. He is attending and fully supports Tea Party Patriots and most importantly the Constitution. He cares enough about what you are saying to actually reply to your emails. We have received 100s saying he will be there. Another special thanks to Alan West. He has a previous commitment and told us earlier in the week he could not attend. He specifically said he supports Tea Party Patriots 100%.

We need to offer our sincere apologies to a John Koster, Jesse Kelly, and Keith Fimian who ran for office and did not get elected but we had them listed on our list of people to call. These are people who stepped up and were willing to serve the public. They lost their elections and need to be able to get back to their lives. We offer our most sincere apologies to you for having melted your phone lines.

The national media is watching this weekend closely; see this Wall Street Journal story as an example. And some are questioning whether we are unfairly targeting the Claremont Institute. To be clear, the Institute does and we expect will continue to do stellar work in the service of the cause of limited and Constitutional government. But to our disappointment and surprise, in this instance they have sided with beltway insiders rather than supporting --- or even simply not interfering with --- the truly historic meeting of grassroots activists with incoming freshmen that you have put so much work and energy into. We do not understand their reasons, but we can say with assurance that we tried very hard to engage with them and find a way to work with them, only to be summarily dismissed without explanation. They complain and say our reaction was over the top, but we offered many opportunities to avoid this. They failed to take advantage of those opportunities. The entire Institute and its many fellows is surely not at fault, but those many who deserve your respect at the Institute should be asking what happened here and why their leadership chose to undermine the unique coming together of Tea Party Patriots and new voices in Congress.

We close each email by saying you are the heart and soul of the tea party movement. That is not something we say lightly. The movement would not exist without you. Our Constitution will never be restored without you. Thank you for continuing to work so hard to hold the newly elected officials accountable. Together we can and will restore our founding principles.
Your Tea Party Patriots National Coordinator Team,
Debbie Dooley, Jenny Beth Martin, Mark Meckler, Sally Oljar, Diana Reimer, and Dawn Wildman

TPP Support email: [e-mail]
TPP Support phone number: 404-593-0877

Jenny Beth Martin ([e-mail], on Tiwtter @jenuinejen, on Facebook)
Dawn Wildman ([e-mail])
Mark Meckler ([e-mail])
Debbie Dooley ([e-mail])


Tea Party Patriots, Inc. operates as a social welfare organization organized under section 501(c)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code. Contributions to Tea Party Patriots, Inc. are not deductible as charitable contributions for income tax purposes.

1025 Rose Creek Dr, 620-322, Woodstock, GA 30189
http://teapartypatriots.org/

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14 Nov 10 - 02:04 AM (#3031600)
Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: Jack the Sailor

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      FRESHMAN ORIENTATION CLARIFICATION‏

Tea Party Patriots

Clarifications & Update
Clarification Regarding Claremont Institute

It has come to our attention that a clarification is needed regarding our recent interactions with the Claremont Institute and our Freshman Orientation taking place this weekend. As you are no doubt aware, a scheduling conflict arose, and we found that there were lobbyist and political campaign consultants serving as "coordinators." This is indeed factual, and remains the case. However, there are some who have interpreted this to mean that we believe that the Claremont Institute is part of the inside-the-beltway, DC problem. We do not believe this is the case, and apologize for any implication which may have been drawn from our emails.

To the contrary, Tea Party Patriots has nothing but admiration for Claremont. Since 1979, Claremont has been fighting to restore the principles of the American Founding to their rightful, preeminent authority in our national life. Long before the tea party movement even existed, the Claremont Review of Books and their Fellowship programs were providing the foundations upon which the conservative movement was built. Operating not in DC, but from California, they are a critical part of the conservative foundation which will ultimately restore this country to its founding principles.

Clarification Regarding Communications with Congressmen-Elect

For the last several weeks we have been asking our members to obtain and provide us the phone numbers and email addresses of the candidates they were supporting. The intent was to use them to invite the Freshman class to our orientation, and to communicate with them prior to the assignment of "official," government-issued phone numbers and email addresses.

Unfortunately, it appears that some of the numbers we obtained truly were "private" phone numbers and email addresses, and those private phones and emails were flooded with requests for the freshmen in question to attend the Tea Party Patriots Freshman Orientation event. This was not our intent, however, this was our only way to communicate with them since they do not have an "official" line of communication at the present time. When more formal communications lines are established, then Tea Party Patriots will use those lines to reach the members, and do so in a way that works for all.

Finally, to those who are critical of our efforts, we'd like to ask where they have been when tea partiers across the country have had their personal phone numbers and addresses posted by others. Both Jenny Beth Martin and Mark Meckler have had personal private information posted online, including home addresses and phone numbers. Those who are complaining that congressmen had their personal phone numbers and email addresses listed so that constituents could reach them, didn't express a bit out outrage at the egregious invasion of Jenny Beth's and Mark's privacy. And Jenny Beth and Mark didn't go to the media complaining about it.

Update on Orientation and Local Coordinator Summit

We have been asked by many as to how the RSVPs are going for the Freshmen Orientation and updates for the Local Coordinator Summit. We will have a detailed update out on Monday for you. Currently, we have the largest gathering of local coordinators in DC in the history of the tea party movement with nearly 200 local coordinators in attendance in person and many more participating via webinar . There have been several speakers and then long discussions on best practices from around the country. They are evaluating your survey results on how TPP has done in the last year. If you have not filled out the survey, be sure to do so using this link.

In Closing

In the end, one of the main goals of the Tea Party Patriots is to help tea partiers across the country stay informed and communicate about issues which concern them. In doing so, we will occasionally ruffle feathers. And sometimes it requires that we step back and reevaluate our actions.
We've done so here, and we'll continue to do so in the future.
Your Tea Party Patriots National Coordinator Team,
Debbie Dooley, Jenny Beth Martin, Mark Meckler, Sally Oljar, Diana Reimer, and Dawn Wildman

TPP Support email: [e-mail]
TPP Support phone number: 404-593-0877

Jenny Beth Martin ([e-mail], on Tiwtter @jenuinejen, on Facebook)
Dawn Wildman ([e-mail])
Mark Meckler ([e-mail])
Debbie Dooley ([e-mail])


Tea Party Patriots, Inc. operates as a social welfare organization organized under section 501(c)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code. Contributions to Tea Party Patriots, Inc. are not deductible as charitable contributions for income tax purposes.

1025 Rose Creek Dr, 620-322, Woodstock, GA 30189
http://teapartypatriots.org/

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14 Nov 10 - 02:18 AM (#3031605)
Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: Ebbie

Poor wee ones.

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14 Nov 10 - 02:55 AM (#3031615)
Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: The Fooles Troupe

As long as they can hold onto the reins, the TPP guys may have some influence, but once the elected representatives get the bit between their teeth ....

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14 Nov 10 - 10:37 AM (#3031817)
Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: Jack the Sailor

I like the bit about having the fact that some of their information being published justifying their publishing of Congressmen peoples' information. Another organization might have taken that to heart and kept private information private.

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14 Nov 10 - 12:16 PM (#3031923)
Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: Greg F.

Teabaggers always were ignorant scum. Big surprise.

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14 Nov 10 - 01:39 PM (#3031981)
Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: Stringsinger

The Tea Party needs to be taken seriously, as Noam Chomsky has wisely pointed out.

The grievances of corruption in government, vanishing paychecks, political manipulation
and malfeasance are legitimate.

Their problem is that they mostly consist of hot-headed Libertarians (give me a government who will protect me from Libertarianism), evangelical Christians, and right-wing militia groups who are being manipulated by Dick Armey, the Koch Brothers and others who see this movement as a way to stay in power.

Corruption in government is not government itself but the corporatists who "own" it
by financing politicians that will do their bidding. The Tea Partiers are deluded in thinking that the enemy is the government instead of the corporations, the Greedy Old Party and wealthy CEO's who are playing the Tea Party for suckers.

The needs of the American people are in evidence in the complaints of the Tea Party, however. They and we all are being screwed.

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14 Nov 10 - 02:17 PM (#3032006)
Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: Greg F.

I didn't say they shouldn't be taken seriously- but they're still ignorant scum.

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14 Nov 10 - 07:06 PM (#3032230)
Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: akenaton

Exactly so Frank...so why fight them, you know what the real enemy is but without unity you will never make any impression on corporatism.

If you want any change you must fight the political old guard, the political labels are as obsolete in the US as in the UK.

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14 Nov 10 - 07:35 PM (#3032245)
Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: Susu's Hubby

I just see a few scared liberals who is seeing their idea of a Liberal Utopia slowly slipping away and whose ideas of shore to shore "communal cooperation" slowly fading into the distance with each repudiation of the democrats agenda...but that's just IMHO...

Hubby

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14 Nov 10 - 09:09 PM (#3032305)
Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: The Fooles Troupe

"idea of a Liberal Utopia slowly slipping away"

The origins of 'liberal' thinking were to stop the monarchs and oligarchs controlling everything, crushing the little guys - originally the workers. They have been replace by the Corporate Rich. The battle is still the same, the enemy has changed, and the battle will go on for ever.

We now have a middle class set of workers as well....

The Tea Party's very existence proves that the dumbing down of the US has worked.

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15 Nov 10 - 09:35 AM (#3032648)
Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: Greg F.

...each repudiation of the democrats agenda...

Except that never happened. What was "repudiated" were a series of straw men erected by the river of shit lies and misrepresentations & believed by a gullible and ignorant electorate.

What was really repudiated in the past election were common sence, critical thinking, and facts.

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15 Nov 10 - 11:18 AM (#3032721)
Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: Jack the Sailor

What happened was Bush and Paulson kicking the legs from under the economy.

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15 Nov 10 - 07:01 PM (#3033062)
Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: The Fooles Troupe

A chart shown here on ABC News (Aust) showed that the % labor cost of GDP is the lowest ever - meaning that employers have the lowest rate of employment ever, thus increasing profits. And nobody noticed?

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15 Nov 10 - 09:50 PM (#3033132)
Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: Q (Frank Staplin)

Too many employees dilutes efficiency. Automate if possible.

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15 Nov 10 - 10:25 PM (#3033149)
Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: Bobert

No, Hubby... What you see is a bunch of scared liberals who are smart enough to see the end game and it ain't very pretty for the dumbasses who have just voted these people into office 'cause it's equivalent to using leeches to cure disease... By the time the dumbasses wake up they will find that the Boss Hogs have extracted even more wealth for themsleves and the dumbasses will we going, "What happened"...

But not to fear... Thanks to the radical Thomas/Alito Court Boss Hog will just take a little of that new found wealth and buy up even more media to convince the dumbasses that the "liberals" stole their money???

That's the real deal here and everyone knows it, including you...

B~

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16 Nov 10 - 03:31 AM (#3033242)
Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: The Fooles Troupe

"Too many employees dilutes efficiency. Automate if possible. "

Which means - no employees, no wages. So who buys the automatically produced crap, if nobody has any money from wages?

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16 Nov 10 - 08:12 AM (#3033400)
Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: GUEST,TIA

"So who buys the automatically produced crap, if nobody has any money from wages?"

The government prints money to buy the guns and bombs and food for the soldiers and fuel for the drones, and the military-industrial complex CEOs get wealtheir and wealthier, while the rest get so poor that their only real option is......


to join the military.

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16 Nov 10 - 12:03 PM (#3033591)
Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: Stringsinger

"What happened was Bush and Paulson kicking the legs from under the economy."

No, what happened is that Bush really didn't care about real people in a suffering economy. He wanted to give money to his rich friends. Paulson was a convenient tool for this purpose.

The TARP and the so-called "stimulus" wasn't large enough to infuse enough money into infrastructure, health, education and discretionary spending for non-wealthy Americans.
The amount fell short of what was needed and no regulation barred the CEO's from reaping this bonanza.

Tia is absolutely right about where the taxpayer money is going. It knocks the theory that a wartime economy is good for the country into the cess pool where it belongs.

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16 Nov 10 - 12:08 PM (#3033595)
Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: Stringsinger

The Tea Party would do well to understand how they are being manipulated and turn their ire toward the corporate puppet masters,oligarchs and plutocrats that put them in their current predicament. If they would see this, they could be an effective force to turn America around and really represent the needs of the American people.

I take their grievances seriously but I believe they have been deluded into focussing on
the wrong target.

In the meantime, watch the Greedy Old Party betray them by taking their tax money (700 billion worth) and raising the debt ceiling.

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16 Nov 10 - 12:54 PM (#3033648)
Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party Soap Opera
From: Bobert

To be fair, Strings, Bush doesn't get all the credit here... This failed economic system began under Reagan and has been passed on from one administration to the next, Clinton's included...

We are now seein' just what happens when the fox convinces US that he should guard the hen house...

B~

BTW, Daddy Bush referred to this system as "voodoo economics" and I reckon it's a lot like emperor with no pants in that it took a long time for most folks to figure it out... I don't think the Tea Party folks have a clue since they are preaching more "free market" which is just another way of saying they like voodoo economics...

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