|
26 Nov 10 - 10:07 AM (#3040828) Subject: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Bobert Okay, here's the deal... Yesterday, while sittin' amongst a group of in-laws (all in their 30s 'er early 40s) for Thanksgiving I was struck by the fact that between watching the football games they were all busy texting... I mean, there I was surrounded by 4 or 5 folks who were not interacting with one another at all but texting, texting, texting... One actually brought her phone to the supper table and continued to text during the Thanksgiving supper!?!?!?..... We were supposed to stay another day but both the P-Vine and I were so bored/offended by this behavior that we made an excuse to come home last night rather that be ignored by here nieces and their mates... I donno??? Guess I'm gettin' a little ol' fashined??? So, ya' all... Am I alone in my disgust of this behavior or is it just my wife's relatives??? B~ |
|
26 Nov 10 - 10:11 AM (#3040830) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: GUEST,Jon You are not alone Bobert. In general, I don't even like the mobile phone though, I do have one and it has its uses BUT... |
|
26 Nov 10 - 10:34 AM (#3040844) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Greg F. Nope, it sure ain't just yopur Wife's relatives- its an epidemic; the "me" generation and Gen-X at their best. Yup, its obnoxious and rude behavior and evidence of Narcissistic personality disorder and shouldn't be tolerated. Why didn't you tell 'em they were acting like dickheads? Nobody calls people on this, its only gonna get worse. Unless there's some relative in the hospital, we have a "check your cell phones at the door" policy that works like a charm. If someone is so narcissistic they can't comply, they need not participate- there's the door. |
|
26 Nov 10 - 10:43 AM (#3040853) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: GUEST,Jon I usually keep mine on vibrate if out with mum, Greg. Not a relative in hospital but similar lines - a disabled father at home who can get panicky. It is good that one or other of us can provide a means of contact. |
|
26 Nov 10 - 10:49 AM (#3040858) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: michaelr That's horrible, Bobert. You or your wife should have said something. |
|
26 Nov 10 - 10:55 AM (#3040863) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: GUEST,cs 30's/40's? Blimey, no-one I know does that. Teenagers yes, but not grown-up people. |
|
26 Nov 10 - 11:08 AM (#3040870) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: GUEST,cs Actually I do know *one* family that behaves just like this - the whole family are texting all the time - including to each other in the same house! But their behaviours have been facilitated by the parents who have unfortunately raised them to be ignorant kids. If you've been invited their for dinner, the telly goes on straightaway and then everyone sits there without any talking for the rest of the evening. |
|
26 Nov 10 - 11:11 AM (#3040871) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: GUEST,cs "its an epidemic; the "me" generation and Gen-X at their best." I don't recognise this as a defining trait of my generation at all. Teens yes. |
|
26 Nov 10 - 11:34 AM (#3040883) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: frogprince Guess I've been lucky; so far I haven't run into anything like this among "growed up" people. A couple of people we know will get in a cellphone conversation while sitting in a casual group at Tim Horton's, but generally just as a brief aside. I would agree that what you encountered was more than a little rude. |
|
26 Nov 10 - 01:22 PM (#3040950) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Ebbie They were probably writing other loved ones about what a good time they were having, Bobert. :) |
|
26 Nov 10 - 06:19 PM (#3041095) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Bobert I wish that were the case, Eb, but I doubt it... Yeah, I thought about sayin' somethin' but we said somethin' to the P-Vine's sister about one of her daughter's bad behavior last year and it caused an uproar that really ain't over yet at this spoiled child (35 years old) made a big stink about it... We're just not goin' to accept invites to things there any more... If they want to visit us, fine... Ten years ago, BTW, when ever "Uncle Bob" showed up they all wanted me to play geetar and everyone interacted... Those days are gone, gone, gone... B~ |
|
26 Nov 10 - 06:38 PM (#3041108) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: gnu Ya can't stop regress eh? |
|
26 Nov 10 - 06:44 PM (#3041112) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Bill D They oughta be hung by their thumbs...... I use txts VERY seldom. Quite handy for some purposes, but just for offhand chatter? sheeesh! |
|
26 Nov 10 - 06:59 PM (#3041121) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Sandra in Sydney yes! I don't have a mobile/cell phone & don't understand this modern trend of always needing to be in contact with someone who is not part of the present company. Or in contact with someone while walking down the street, riding a bike, driving a car (totally illegal here but always done, sometimes causing accidents), in shops & public transport etc. Some years back I was with friends, one of whome was going thru a crisis & crying while telling us about it - a phone rang & the owner reached for the button that shut it up. Today I so often see folks answer calls/texts in the middle of conversations, meals, concerts, shows ... And I don't want to get started about parents whose call/text is so much more important than their child, so expect another generation of people who find more interest in someone at the other end of a phone than the folks they are with. At the beginning of the change of power in North Korea one of our cartoonists showed a small beloved leader, a weighty be-medalled general & the large young son - father is saying something like "Son, someday soon all this will be yours" - son is texting using both thumbs with all his concentration on the phone & the music in his years & replies "yeh, whatever" sandra |
|
26 Nov 10 - 07:24 PM (#3041128) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: catspaw49 i lk txt msgN 4 sum stuf..cn B fun or cn B a PITA.......funE 2 me dat it realy S big n d racing wrld.......ur N/C f u dnt txt......ura n00b d00d 4 nt undrstanding spw |
|
26 Nov 10 - 08:10 PM (#3041158) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: gnu Qois? Je ne comprestand pas moi? |
|
26 Nov 10 - 08:28 PM (#3041167) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: catspaw49 c gnu u cnt do it f u dnt play......I txt +I aint a snert.......u cn do it 2 gnu.........me no oap---u b c00l 2 spw |
|
26 Nov 10 - 08:55 PM (#3041180) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Bobert Well, reckon that Spawzer has crossed over to the other side that things don't look too good fir the home team... B~ |
|
27 Nov 10 - 03:20 PM (#3041584) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: fat B****rd It may be something to do with age (63 in my case)that makes it well 'uncool' or whatever, but the other day I saw a young woman with one small child walking and another in a push chair. The young woman was texting with one hand whilst trying to manouvre the push chair up a hill. Sandra in Sidney prompted me with the idea that many texters are 'comunicating' obsessively. Maybe it's a kind of desperation, a fear and loathing of; silence, solitude, alone time or.......f**k knows what else. During my last semester at college I saw young students texting during lessons and even exams. Bobert's mention of not-so-young obsessive texters is, for reasons I'm not sure of, slightly alarming. There..... OMG what a grump!! |
|
27 Nov 10 - 03:39 PM (#3041594) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: The Sandman pick up their mobile phones and throw them against the wall |
|
27 Nov 10 - 05:10 PM (#3041640) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Greg F. I saw young students texting during lessons and even exams. And the prof didn't flunk 'em WHY, precisely? You don't call assholes on this crap, its only going to get worse. |
|
27 Nov 10 - 07:12 PM (#3041690) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Don Firth A couple of years ago, in an episode of the sit-com "Two and a Half Men," young Jake (played by Angus T. Jones, about twelve years old—the half-man of the title) has a girl friend. She's a cute little thing about his own age, and of Chinese ancestry. They have a date. They're alone Jake's uncle's house. Jake's dad, played by Jon Cryer, and his uncle, played by Charlie Sheen, walk in and find the two kids sitting quietly, side by side on the sofa. No conversation, But they have their cell phones out. And they're texting each other! Later, Jake tells them that she broke up with him. He said, "She doesn't believe in mixed relationships." "You mean, because you're Caucasian and she's of Asian descent?" "No," says Jake. "She's gifted and I'm remedial." Don Firth |
|
27 Nov 10 - 11:26 PM (#3041776) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Sandra in Sydney there was something in the news recently re. research on children's reaction to parent texting & I assume it must been Prof. Turkle's research as I can't find anything else! Connecting with spouses and children in a world gone texting. The New York Times recently reported on a study by Sherry Turkle who has been observing the effects of technology on parents and children for the past five years. She has found that feelings of jealousy, hurt and competition are common in many homes as children and spouses vie for attention that is being given to technology instead. Children spoke about feeling hurt at mealtime, sports events or pickup time when they found parents more interested in their phones than in them. "There's something so engrossing about the kind of interactions people do with screens that they wall out the world," she said. "I've talked to children who try to get their parents to stop texting while driving and they got resistance, 'Oh, just one, just one more quick one, honey.' It's like 'one more drink.'" Stop texting, Dad! I'm talking to you Much of the concern about cellphones and instant messaging and Twitter has been focused on how children who incessantly use the technology are affected by it. But parents' use of such technology - and its effect on their offspring - is now becoming an equal source of concern to some child-development researchers. (full article is no longer available - tho comments are) |
|
28 Nov 10 - 07:15 AM (#3041901) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Bobert What we need are "no-texting" zones... Tell ya'll what... I'm gonna have a sign made up and stick it by the front door of my house after we move and the P-Vine's grand-youngin's are coming to visit... Goes for the pool area, too... Might of fact, the Wes Ginny Slide Rule is workin' on a design for a machine that takes an ordinary cell phone and turns it into clean drinking water... Anyone caught texting in the no-texting zone will get a glass of water back for their rudeness... B~ |
|
28 Nov 10 - 08:40 AM (#3041938) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Greg F. Ya could also fight back - plenty of options available at any number of stores like jammer-store dot com |
|
28 Nov 10 - 08:55 AM (#3041941) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Bobert Ya'ean could buy a jammer, plug it in and wreck the texters within a radius of my house??? I like it!!! B~ |
|
28 Nov 10 - 09:03 AM (#3041944) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: GUEST,Jon Not sure I do Bobert as the cell phone could be somebody's life line. That does not alter my view that some usages can be obnoxious. |
|
28 Nov 10 - 09:44 AM (#3041964) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Greg F. Life Line? Hardly. Two words Jon - land line. |
|
28 Nov 10 - 10:05 AM (#3041974) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Bobert Maybe do as they did in the cowboy movies where ya' gotta check yer guns at the saloon door just in this case it'd be personal electronic devices (PEDs)... Have like one of those shoe holders that yer Aunt Beth had hanging on the back of her closet door and a little sign, "Thank you for not texting... Deposit here during your stay"... B~ |
|
28 Nov 10 - 10:16 AM (#3041980) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: GUEST,Jon Far from sure I agree with you there, Greg - let's just say I was with mum going to Norwich 25 miles away... To have the phone in case of care breakdown is handy. To have the phone as a means when we get to the session for a possibly panicky father are handy things. OTIH I'm with you that to abuse one can be entirely obnoxious. |
|
28 Nov 10 - 10:36 AM (#3041984) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Greg F. Not suggesting you take a jammer with you in the car, Jon. Or people carrying one- turned off until needed- to use in case of emergency. Talking about in a setting where other means of communication are available & where the jammer can be turned off in case of real emergency. People need to stand up & stop the spread of this bloody plague. |
|
28 Nov 10 - 12:19 PM (#3042039) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: GUEST,Eliza Surely this is a simple case of MANNERS, good or bad. It is thoroughly BAD MANNERS to ignore other people like this at a social occasion. But I also suspect there is something obsessive/addictive about nearly all the technology in use by folk today, they just can't seem to limit themselves or turn it off. I reckon it would be torture for them to be made to sit quietly in a room with no means of communicating, texting, hearing music or watching something on TV. It's similar to drug addiction in a way, they'd get withdrawal symptoms! Even in lifts,shops, my local bus, music is tinkling away, people are loudly declaring "I'm on the bus" etc. It's total madness, whatever have we become? |
|
28 Nov 10 - 01:43 PM (#3042116) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: DebC Thanks, Eliza. In complete agreement. And here in the USA, we still allow hand-held mobiles whilst driving in some states, like mine Massachusetts. I also find it bad manners to answer a phone or text when one is in the company of others. I wrote about this on my blog last August . It's also becoming a sfaety issue when one is not in a car; there was a young woman here in New England who was walking along a roadway and was struck by a car. She was texting on her phone and not paying attention. Debra Cowan |
|
28 Nov 10 - 02:31 PM (#3042155) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Greg F. we still allow hand-held mobiles whilst driving in some states, like mine Massachusetts... One of the many reasons Massachussetts drivers are colloquially known elsewhere as Massholes. Then there's that left turn business........ |
|
28 Nov 10 - 02:42 PM (#3042165) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: GUEST,Jon We (UK) lost too many manners years ago Eliza . |
|
28 Nov 10 - 03:34 PM (#3042205) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Don Firth I recently heard that people who text while driving are 25 times more likely to have a serious accident. Traveling about in an electric wheelchair on a fairly well-populated street, I have to stay pretty alert. People wandering about with a cell phone grafted to the side of their head and engrossed in conversation are a bloody hazard. But far worse are people striding along the sidewalk while texting—eyes on a little bitty screen with their thumbs a blur and oblivious to what's around them. In the space of about a block, I generally have to yell out a couple of times to keep someone from winding up in my lap! And sometimes even then. . . . The lamp posts on Seattle's Broadway Avenue East near where I live are metal. More than once I've seen someone, distracted by their concentration on compulsive communication, walk right into one of them. A forehead meeting one of those metal poles makes a very satisfying "BONG-G-G-G-G!!!" I'm given to smile a bit when that happens. Don Firth P. S. I have a cell phone which I keep mainly for emergencies, such as if I'm out in my electric wheelchair and the batteries poop out unexpectedly or if I'm near a grocery store and I call Barbara to ask if we need anything. The cell phone company is frequently on my neck because they feel I'm not spending enough money with them. TS! The nearest I come to texting is using e-mail. On my computer. |
|
28 Nov 10 - 04:25 PM (#3042252) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Greg F. More than once I've seen someone, distracted by their concentration on compulsive communication, walk right into one of them. I bet it doesn't faze 'em in the least and that there are plenty of serial concussion victims. Stupidity kills - but not half fast enough. |
|
28 Nov 10 - 04:43 PM (#3042264) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: katlaughing I refuse to use any texting because of the cost and I just don't see the need. My dau. back East uses her to keep in touch with her sons when they get home from school and she can't talk on the phone at work, just a quick check-in. My dau. here doesn't text that I know of and she hardly uses her cell but her husband does do some texting with family, much as he would email. Not constant, but useful. The thing that bugs me even more are the handheld video games. My grandson, Morgan, is a whiz at them and has a new one. He knows he doesn't bring them over here unless I say it is okay. I tell him, I don't have him over to have him sit there and play alone when he has said he wants to see me. We rarely have the tv on when he is here, also, while his dad always has it on even during meals which I detest. So, he gets both worlds. I picked him up today to go for a short ride. He joyfully showed me his game he brought, telling all about what level of Star Wars he was in. I asked him why he brought it. Well, "I can watch outside and still play." I told him he might as well get out of the car and stay home. I didn't come to get him to drive around while he played video games. He put the game away and we had a nice ride. He understands if it is explained to him. He does not like being left on his own so much at home when his parents are gaming online, though it is getting better as he learns to read and write. Cindy Kallet and Grey Larsen just did a great new song about all of this. You can see a video of it HERE. Well worth the watching...great irony/satire! The therapist I go to now and then, is brilliant and has studied psycho-socio-economics for years. He was saying the other day, it started back with Reagan and has come to this point where the world is full of angry people. He believes, through his trained observation and experience, that it comes mostly from a loss of control. Most folks feel there is nothing they can control to change the world, etc., so they get kind of weird about what they think they can control. I suppose cells, texting, and other technological devices may give some kind of sense of control, at least of one's immediate environment. NOT that that is an excuse, just perhaps a cause of the symptoms or something. HE puts it all a lot better than I can. I think my grandson's generation may reject a lot of the isolationism which comes along with these things, at least I hope so. If I see one more driver blithely wending their way through traffice whilst talking on their phone, then holding it away from them to look at and to push buttons quickly, I think I will take down their license number and report them OR, if I can get their addy, I'll send them a Hang Up & Drive sticker. Here are a few statistics: 1. Texting while driving increases the risk of accident 23.2 times over unimpaired driving. 2. Texting while driving results in longer response times than even drunken driving. While an unimpaired driver can respond quickly to changes in traffic and begin braking within half a second, a legally drunk driver needs four additional feet to begin braking—and a driver who's texting needs 70. 3. In the moments before a crash or near crash, drivers typically spend nearly five seconds looking at their mobile devices—enough time at typical highway speeds to cover more area than the length of a football field. 4. Though 95 percent of drivers surveyed said texting behind the wheel was unacceptable and unsafe, at least 21 percent admit to doing it anyway. 5. Especially amongst teens, texting results in erratic driving behavior, like lane weaving and speeding up and down, increasing the likelihood of hurting pedestrians and running into other vehicles. 6. Texting behind the wheel is generational: 37 percent of drivers 18 to 27 admit to texting while driving, compared to 14 percent of 28 to 44 year olds, and 2 percent of 45 to 60 year olds. 7. An accident can happen in two to three seconds while texting. Play It Safe With dangers like these in mind, what can drivers constantly bombarded by incoming text messages and phone calls do to stay safe while driving? It's as simple as either muting the sound or turning the phone off every time we climb in our cars. According to the American Automobile Association, doing so can actually decrease the risk of accident due to texting by 50 percent. That means fewer accidents, injuries and deaths—and lower car insurance rates. Resist the Urge At the time of this writing, fourteen states and the District of Columbia have passed laws that make texting while driving illegal. In addition, lawmakers have proposed legislation that would require states to ban this dangerous combination of activities or face the loss of highway funds. Regardless of your state's stance on the issue, texting while driving just isn't safe. So take these facts to heart, turn down the volume on your cell phone when you hit the road, and resist the urge to text while driving. It might just save your life; and it could definitely save you from high auto insurance premiums! |
|
28 Nov 10 - 04:44 PM (#3042266) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: katlaughing Forgot to say, I keep reading the title of this thread as "Are TEXANS unSocial!" |
|
28 Nov 10 - 04:55 PM (#3042272) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Greg F. Some are, some ain't. |
|
28 Nov 10 - 04:59 PM (#3042277) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: GUEST,PeterC I refuse to use any texting because of the cost My daughters are on contracts that make texting cheaper. Even on PAYG I get free weekend texts if I top up during the week. One of the funniest things that I have seen was three teenage girls sitting opposite on a train. After 3 minutes in a tunnel they all had their phones out frantically checking to see if there had been any texts. |
|
28 Nov 10 - 05:09 PM (#3042285) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Greg F. Funny? I don't find that amusing at all. Its pathetic. They obviously need to get some sort of a life. |
|
29 Nov 10 - 02:13 AM (#3042527) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity You think that's bad??? Hire a young adult, perhaps by the hour, and watch how much time he/she spends dropping EVERYTHING to answer a text! ....ALL DAY LONG, for long periods!!! GfS |
|
29 Nov 10 - 03:19 AM (#3042540) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: GUEST,Patsy From what I have observed it seems that there could be a bit of one upmanship with the style of phone, the most stylish, trendyish, hi-tec. This is mostly with the young it seems. Boys seem to like all singing and dancing state of the art phones and girls like the most stylish phone to impress their friends and of course all that texting is showing everyone how so popular they are. The mobile phone has it's uses especially if you are running late or you need to get an important message to someone but like another thread said I hate the thought of being at everyone's beck and call. Just lately on the odd occasion I have left the thing at home and it has been nice not to have to keep checking it, no matter how you might hate the phone it is human nature to take a look. I tend to keep it on silent anyway and text or ring people back later. After all we all managed before didn't we? To be honest the main use of the phone for me is the alarm clock which I set in the morning and the default games are handy when say stuck on a bus in a traffic jam. |
|
29 Nov 10 - 06:09 AM (#3042609) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: GUEST,Eliza I agree Guest Jon, we've lost many old 'good manners' customs here in UK. Before I retired as a teacher, I used to explain to my pupils that, in the early fifties, my family (and most other families) had NO TV, NO phone, No CDs, NO computers, NO mobiles, NO car, NO heating except one coal fire lit in the evening. They were always absolutely horrified and couldn't imagine such a life. We DID have a radio (with valves, you warmed it up a bit before you could listen). But strangely enough, we were very happy. And everybody talked to other people face to face and listened attentively. Manners were paramount. A visitor would never ever be ignored, as in the texting described by Bobert. If my sister and I had behaved like that to a visiting uncle or aunt, my father would later have given us both a jolly good slap. |
|
29 Nov 10 - 08:16 AM (#3042669) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Bobert Speaking of hiring a young adult and watching them waste time texting, it was the same with just cell phones... I hired a guy on when I was building the last house I built to do basic carpentry... More of a laborer, to be honest... So I notice the first day that his cell phone was ringing every 10 minutes and then he'd stop working to talk... It was his wife who apparently didn't understand the correlation between employment and a pay check... After repeated warnings I had to fire him... Wonder if she ever got it??? B~ |
|
29 Nov 10 - 08:21 AM (#3042673) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Greg F. If my sister and I had behaved like that to a visiting uncle or aunt, my father would later have given us both a jolly good slap. Spot on- there's a principal cause of the plague. Parents refusing to act like parents. The cell phone infection begins quite young- before these children can afford to purchase the phones themselves and or pay the phone bills. Adults are enabling and encouraging this new psychosis. One phone call to the cellular provider disables the texting function on an account. |
|
29 Nov 10 - 08:35 AM (#3042681) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: GUEST,Patsy Yes I would have got a slap for bad manners too (and still would from my mum if I overstepped the mark). We did have radio and a dark wood radiogram and lucky to have a black and white television set with 2 channels only. But we were told when we could watch it which only could be at tea time through the week or Saturday until 12 in the afternoon. Programmes finished for the night there was no round the clock broadcasting or breakfast tv then. The happiest times was making toast or toasting crumpets on the fire and at Christmas chestnuts. Us children entertained ourselves with board games, reading books and listen with Mother. My parents had only the fire no radiators, once the tank of hot water was gone the next person had to wait until it was hot enough again. Back to phones it amused me when my son had not long had a phone even took it to the bathroom! For goodness sake he couldn't even take timeout for that! |
|
29 Nov 10 - 08:38 AM (#3042684) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Bobert Me thinks that "psychosis" is a tad on the overkill side, Gregster... Back during my days in social work (mostly mental health clients) we had a more generalized term for stuff like this: personality disorder... I'd put it more in that category but, yeah, it's more splitting hairs... B~ |
|
29 Nov 10 - 08:40 AM (#3042687) Subject: RE: BS: Are Texters unSocial??? From: Greg F. After repeated warnings I had to fire him... Wonder if she ever got it??? I wonder if HE ever got it- just turn off the damn phone. |