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15 Dec 10 - 02:39 PM (#3054177) Subject: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: gnu maeve sent me a link. My ENT, upon prescribing a megadose antibiotic for a chronic infection about two years ago, told me to eat "active" or "probiotic" youghurt to help with digestion after the extended time on the antibiotics caused bowel problems. He specifically said to eat Activa. Here is the article maeve linked to... The Associated Press AUGUSTA — Maine Attorney General Janet Mills says the state will receive $425,000 to settle a multistate lawsuit that alleged The Dannon Co. made unsubstantiated marketing claims about its Activia and DanActive products. In a statement today, Mills said Maine joined 38 other states in the lawsuit. Nationwide, Dannon agreed to pay $21 million. The company had claimed in its marketing that Activia yogurt helps relieve irregularity and that its DanActive dairy drink helps people avoid catching colds or the flu. The Federal Trade Commission says there is not enough evidence to back those claims. Dannon denies any wrongdoing and said it settled the suit to avoid any further litigation and expense. |
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15 Dec 10 - 02:41 PM (#3054180) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: GUEST,999 I find it difficult to believe that advertisements would tell anything but the truth. Really, what`s it all coming to . . . |
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15 Dec 10 - 03:15 PM (#3054192) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: Wolfhound person Any live yoghourt will do the same - it replaces the bugs normally found in the gut which have been wiped out by the antibiotic. I buy Greek yoghourt in kg tubs from Costco and imbibe a portion a day. Far cheaper than the hyped mini portion containers. Paws |
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15 Dec 10 - 03:29 PM (#3054197) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: gnu CBC... 2 hours ago.... A consumer protection group filed a class-action suit against McDonald's Wednesday morning, claiming the toys included in Happy Meals bait and induce children to develop a preference for nutritionally poor foods. The suit was filed by the Center for Science in the Public Interest on behalf of Monet Parham of Sacramento, Calif., and her six-year-old daughter Maya. "McDonald's exploits very young California children and harms their health by advertising unhealthy happy meals with toys directly to them," the suit states. "Children eight years-old and younger do not have the cognitive skills and the developmental maturity to understand the persuasive intent of marketing and advertising," the suit continues, "Thus, McDonald's advertising featuring toys to bait children violates California law because it is inherently deceptive and unfair." The lawsuit contains allegations not proven in court. McDonald's has not replied to the lawsuit, nor returned calls to CBC News. The case will be heard in San Francisco, which recently passed a local ordinance setting nutritional standards for children's meals sold with toys. "I am very concerned about the health of my children and feel that McDonald's should be a very limited part of their diet and their childhood experience," explained Parham. She said she's bringing the suit because her daughter insists on going to McDonald's to get toys based on Barbie, I-Carly, Shrek or Strawberry Shortcake. "As other busy, working moms and dads know, we have to say 'no' to our young children so many times, and McDonald's makes it so much harder to do." The suit states that: "Internal McDonald's documents prove its intent to subvert parental authority." One such document quotes Martin Lindstrom — who advises McDonald's on branding and marketing — stating in a presentation that McDonald's "gets into the parents' wallets via the kids' minds." According to another document, former McDonald's CEO Roy Bergold described the restaurant's strategy in a magazine article as "go after the kids." "Ray Kroc [McDonald's founder] said that if you had $1 to spend on marketing, spend it on kids. Why? Because they can't get to the restaurant by themselves and they eat a lot." Bergold also told the magazine that kids are a lot more tempted by the toys than the food. "What kids see as a fun toy, I now realize is a sophisticated, high-tech marketing scheme that's designed to put McDonald's between me and my daughters," Parham said, "I want McDonald's to stop interfering with my family." The Center for Science in the Public Interest says most McDonald's Happy Meals contain more calories and sodium than is healthy for a child. "McDonald's offerings consist mostly of fatty meat, fatty cheese, French fries, white flour, and sugar — a narrow combination of foots that promotes weight gain, obesity, diabetes and heart disease — and may lead to a lifetime of poor diets." |
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15 Dec 10 - 03:37 PM (#3054202) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: acegardener I have recently had some major surgery, the after effects where really bringing me down. Somebody suggested activa, well anything is worth a try as my immune system had gone to pot. It could have been the placebo effect but a noticable improvement a few days later after taking it regulary. |
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15 Dec 10 - 03:51 PM (#3054209) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: katlaughing Just get some acidopholus capsules and take with plenty of water. That is the active thingie in yoghurt which replaces the good bacteria we all need to process food. As to the McD's...the parents need to get a grip!! Fer crissakes...make sure the kids understand that "No" means NO! And, why are they allowing them to watch the ads? This all goes back to control at home, busy parents who are giving in instead of going the extra distance to grow healthy children. |
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15 Dec 10 - 03:55 PM (#3054212) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: bobad Re the McDonald's article, maybe the government should make the fast food industry put photos of the effects of eating the stuff on their wrappers like they do for cigarettes. Imagine the pix; obese people, gangrenous and amputated limbs due to diabetes, heart attack victims due to high blood pressure etc. You deserve a break today would take on a whole new meaning. |
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15 Dec 10 - 04:13 PM (#3054219) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: Becca72 A similar action was recently taken against the makers of Airborne with the same idea - there was no proof of their claim that the product reduces the duration of a cold. Having used Airborne many times, I can tell you from personal experience that it does, in fact, reduce the duration of MY colds. My personal preference whenever available is to eat foods rich in whatever it is that I need, rather than swallowing yet another pill to achieve that effect. I don't think it really matters which yogurt you eat, as long as you eat one. As for McDonald's - sounds like lazy parents who won't taken any of the blame to me. |
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15 Dec 10 - 04:24 PM (#3054226) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Each probiotic "contains a specific dose and strain of bacteria. Products most commonly include members of the Lactibacillus and Bifidobacterium groups of bacteria." Get a doctor's recommendation on products and suppliers. "Studies suggest that probiotics are effective in treating diarrhea, preventing relapse in diarrhea associated with antibiotic use..." "Some claims for these products are not yet supported by research." "See March issue of Mayo Clinic Women's HealthSource, covers what is known about probiotics auch as yogurt, miso and some juices, and what remains uncertain." www.mayoclinic.org Asking about health matters in a forum is asking for misinformation. |
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15 Dec 10 - 04:34 PM (#3054231) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: bobad Lactobacillus acidophilus comprises the primary bacterial flora of the human vagina - just sayin'. |
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15 Dec 10 - 05:18 PM (#3054246) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: GUEST,999 Tell me now. |
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15 Dec 10 - 05:53 PM (#3054281) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: Ed T "As other busy, working moms and dads know, we have to say 'no' to our young children so many times, and McDonald's makes it so much harder to do." So, why are you taking your young kids to McDonalds in the first place, so called responsible working moms and dads? By any chance were you actually seeking wholesome food? Or, are the kids going there on their own, in their "Little Tykes" play cars? |
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15 Dec 10 - 06:00 PM (#3054288) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: jacqui.c I know, from experience, that acidophilus is very effective in dealing with the side effects of antibiotics. If I don't take probiotics I can't finish a course of antibiotics as they cause real problems for my system. I can't stand the smell or taste of yoghurt and so do take the capsules. |
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15 Dec 10 - 06:05 PM (#3054296) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: GUEST,999 Kids who get thrush require acidophilus because the bacteria in their digestive systems are killed off by the antibiotics they take. We are all much too clean. (Well, `cept for Amos, Gnu and me.) |
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15 Dec 10 - 06:08 PM (#3054298) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: Ed T Yoghurt is good and healthy for most folks (if your body tolerates it, that is). But, I suspect there are cheaper and more effective routes to get "active" or "probiotic" bacteria rather than through this relatively expensive brand product. |
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15 Dec 10 - 06:10 PM (#3054302) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: Melissa one cheaper, more effective route is kefir |
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15 Dec 10 - 06:41 PM (#3054337) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: JohnInKansas So far as I can tell the aggressively advertised Activa® is no different than any other yogurt, except for: 1. The claim of lower calories per serving, achieved by putting it in smaller containers so that the serving size is smaller. 2. Nearly double the price of anything comparable in my stores. Foreign (import) yogurts may be subject to the same import rules that make it impossible to get "real" Camembert cheese here. The regs say that any imported dairy products must be fully pasturized before passing through a port of entry, so the live yeast/bacteria that "finish" a Camembert must be killed, and what one can purchase - in most outlets - won't "ripen" appropriately. Greek yogurt (imported), although sold here along side the "white cheddar posing as Camembert" may be in the same condition, although I can't confirm that it's also required to be "fully dead;" and a domestically produced "Greek style yogurt" might be permitted to contain living organisms. In some grocery stores here, occasionally and sporadically, one may find skim milk with added lactobacillus. I've used it for several decades when it "just felt right" to pick up a jug, and intentionally after any antibiotic treatment. It seems to be a help, although I haven't attempted to collect clinical data. Lactobacillus acidophilus capsules or powders can be purchased at "health food" outlets, and could be used if a need for supplementing what's in your gut is perceived, although the strength and viability of what you get - and the price you may pay - may vary by quite a lot depending on the mood of the seller(s). Bobad's suggested alternate source is certainly worth considering (by some), although it should be noted that being the primary bacterial flora doesn't mean it's the only flora, or even that it's always present in all the places where it might be expected. John |
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15 Dec 10 - 06:50 PM (#3054348) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: Rapparee Now, now. If you really, truly, desperately get into trouble you can have a genuine fecal transplant. |
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15 Dec 10 - 07:13 PM (#3054362) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: bobad "Kids who get thrush require acidophilus because the bacteria in their digestive systems are killed off by the antibiotics they take." Just for the record, thrush is a fungal disease (candida) and is treated with anti-fungal drugs, not antibiotics. |
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15 Dec 10 - 07:59 PM (#3054402) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: kendall I eat a little tub of Activia every evening. Never have a bowel problem. |
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15 Dec 10 - 08:54 PM (#3054425) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: gnu Bobad... ``Lactobacillus acidophilus comprises the primary bacterial flora of the human vagina - just sayin'.`` Jac... ``I can't stand the smell or taste of yoghurt and so do take the capsules.`` Sorry, but, I HAD to. I`ll leave it at that.... fer now. |
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16 Dec 10 - 12:53 AM (#3054489) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: ragdall Re McDonalds, Whats next? Sue everyone who advertises on TV to children because it makes it more difficult to say "No" to the child? Parents need to set limits. Big deal. It's called "parenting". I hope they throw that case out of court. Also, there is no need to feed the child harmful food when what the child really wants is the toy. McDonalds have a set price at which they will sell the toy without the happy meal. Wanna see my McDonald's Happy Meal Beanie Bear collection? rags |
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16 Dec 10 - 02:39 AM (#3054512) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: EBarnacle Lady Hillary uses Greek yogurt as a starter when she makes her own. There are definitely live acidopholus bacteria there. I there were not, out lactose intolerance would kick in making us smell prety bad--at least. Sometimes she uses other varieties as starter, just for a change. |
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16 Dec 10 - 04:35 AM (#3054554) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie Pro biotic live flora can replace and promote growth of your own flora. However, it also promotes the growth of flora that antibiotics themselves allow to run riot. Such as Clostridium Difficile (or C.diff. to give it its more usual moniker.) This is a huge killer of frail people, and sadly, can be contracted easily when in the vicinity of somebody suffering. (We all have it, it is needed, but it can get out of control with too much antibiotic therapy.) That said, the Royal College of Microbiologists here in the UK are of the opinion that the doses in these health foods are well below the therapeutic level, and if they were above it, could create more problems than they solve. Also, the term pro biotic is a marketing not a technical term. All biology is pro something..... Your body naturally recovers levels, and if it can't then you have a problem that can be solved, but by doctors and prescriptions rather than supermarkets and adverts. For my sins, (of which there a couple) I have spent the last three years involved in infection control for a UK health regulator and whilst not a microbiologist myself, my comments above are more or less paraphrased from the advice the Royal College gave to the Advertising Standards Authority recently. |
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16 Dec 10 - 05:37 AM (#3054587) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: John MacKenzie Just eat 'live' yoghurt, as opposed to the pasteurised stuff. It's that easy. |
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16 Dec 10 - 10:43 AM (#3054760) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: Becca72 999, Taking high or prolonged doses of antibiotics actually increases your risk of getting thrush; they are not used to treat it. An antifungal medication is, as stated above. |
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16 Dec 10 - 10:53 AM (#3054763) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: GUEST,999 Thanks, Bobad. One of my kids used to get it all the damned time. Drove us nuts. However, whatever it was in the meds--and I am sure it was an antibiotic--brought on the thrush. |
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16 Dec 10 - 11:00 AM (#3054769) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie Worse than that Becca. Reliance on antibiotics has created the situation where resistant bugs such as MRSA can thrive, and made flora such as Clostridium Difficile the largest "in care" killer in the Western world, according to World Health Organisation. The effect on fungal conditions is at least neutral and harmful, as you state, by your body's natural defences being compromised. It has got to the stage where at present, NHS trusts are being classed as in breach of regulation (HSCA2008) for sloppy antimicrobial prescribing and from 2012, GPs will be scrutinised too. Sadly, patients have a culture going back many years that antibiotics are the answer to everything, but as Darwin et al demonstrate, the evolutionary playing field alters in size & shape too. Thrush is an excellent example. Some GPs are still using antibiotics through ignorance and tradition, despite them not working. When challenged, some have actually said it is the government's fault as they need to see x patients per hour and it is easier to give them what they want than to explain what would be better. I had problems believing that myself till I heard it with my own ears at a conference the other year... Anyway, back on subject fully... Having just looked up a study or two out of interest, (Cochran search,) in answer to the question, Activa yoghurt good for yer guts? The answer appears to be slightly above placebo. In other words, enough for the manufacturers to be able to sell it as being beneficial, and not beneficial in reality. But as they say, mind over matter. |
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16 Dec 10 - 11:14 AM (#3054781) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: Stilly River Sage You have to figure that any time there is an advertising campaign going on, you're going to end up paying for it in the product. And I've always known that they were hyping the aspect of yogurt in general while claiming that it was theirs alone. This is an old ploy. Read labels. Buy the product with the fewest ingredients, and you'll generally be getting the healthiest version. Or better yet, make it yourself. I used to make yogurt all the time, using a method from a Middle Eastern cookbook that called for a large bowl, towels to keep it warm, sitting on the counter overnight in the kitchen. You need a healthy starter yogurt, so again, use something that has the fewest ingredients and a live culture. From there, you can put this in a strainer and make yogurt cheese, and this stuff is wonderful in things like lasagna, ravioli, or use it to make pasta dishes like macaroni and cheese much creamier and healthier. SRS |
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16 Dec 10 - 11:52 AM (#3054813) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: gnu I guess that's why the yoghurt has been so cheap for the past several months... especially the Danone. |
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16 Dec 10 - 11:57 AM (#3054820) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: GUEST,999 Yoghurt could be the only culture some folks get in their lives. |
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16 Dec 10 - 01:00 PM (#3054871) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: bobad "However, whatever it was in the meds--and I am sure it was an antibiotic--brought on the thrush." That is a different story. The antibiotics kill off the normal bacterial flora causing an imbalance in the oral microbiota which allows opportunistic organisms such as candida to flourish. |
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16 Dec 10 - 01:01 PM (#3054872) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: GUEST,999 Gotcha. Thanks, Bob. |
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16 Dec 10 - 03:13 PM (#3054984) Subject: RE: BS: Activia Yogurt good for your guts? From: Genie The thread title has "Activia" spelled wrong, BTW. (Not that it probably matters all that much to people using the forum search engine.) Activia and several of its imitators, for what it's worth, do not contain lactobacillus cultures. Not sure how important this is, but a friend's doctors recently gave him dietary admonitions following a bout of severe diarrhea, dizziness, and sweats, and they said "avoid dairy products except yogurt containing lactobacillus." I asked why, and they said the lactobacillus cultures counteract the tendency of dairy products to be hard to digest. When I first heard about Activia and similar yogurts "aiding digestion," I thought that sounded good. Later I found - mostly via Saturday Night Live - that what they were mainly talking about was preventing constipation. It's an important distinction, because if you are more prone to loose stools than to constipation, I wonder if Activia and the like would be recommended for you. |
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16 Dec 10 - 03:18 PM (#3054990) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: GUEST,999--sorreee `. . . if you are more prone to loose stools than to constipation, I wonder if Activia and the like would be recommended for you.` Last bar I was in had one of them. Damned near broke my arm. |
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16 Dec 10 - 03:34 PM (#3054999) Subject: RE: BS: Activa Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: gnu Genie... "i" am glad you got up this morning. Hehehehehee. |
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16 Dec 10 - 03:51 PM (#3055013) Subject: RE: BS: Activia Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: Jeri Activia yogurt has active yeasty things that your body needs. Whether your body has run out of those things, you probably can't tell. But if a doctor tells you it's good in order to replace what antibiotics kill, it's probably good to try. There are other brands of yogurt with active cultures. I've had Activia. The "bottom" line is, if you DON'T need it, it's just yogurt. It doesn't do any harm to give you something you already have. It makes a difference if your body doesn't have it. If you take it before your digestive symptoms from antibiotics start, you'll never be aware the yogurt helped anything. |
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16 Dec 10 - 10:36 PM (#3055282) Subject: RE: BS: Activia Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: Genie There are other yogurst, such as some sold at Trader Joe's under their store label, that contain lactobacillus culture, which Activia et al. do not have. Maybe it's good to mix up the yogurts (or rotate them) so you get all the digestion-enhancing probiotics? |
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17 Dec 10 - 12:25 AM (#3055316) Subject: RE: BS: Activia Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: EBarnacle SRS, What do you do with the whey that is drained off the yogurt? Lady Hillary has done this for several batches and we are getting quite an an accumulation. |
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17 Dec 10 - 04:39 AM (#3055384) Subject: RE: BS: Activia Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: GUEST,Patsy Yoghurt was an aquired taste for me and I didn't start eating it until I was in my mid-teens and that was some 'flavored' Ski yoghurt. I had seen some friends eating it, tried some of their's, found I quite liked it and then started to get my own. I wasn't aware then of the thickeners and additives in it until much later and then changed it for bio yoghurt which now I like to have with fruit or muesli. I am not convinced that Activia yoghurt is any better or worse than any other probiotic yoghurt. The problem is for me is I like to eat it with a spoon rather than drink it and Activia does come in such silly little bottles. However, my system does feel less sluggish after eating it, I just feel healthier in a similar to eating a meal of fresh fish and vegetables. Psychologically knowing that something is going to be better than junk food or saturated fat perhaps it is going to give that feel good factor and sense of well-being anyway? |
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17 Dec 10 - 01:45 PM (#3055727) Subject: RE: BS: Activia Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: Dorothy Parshall I suffered from bloating for about 20 years - woke up with flat tummy and by noon looked as though I had swallowed a basketball - uncomfortable also. Asked MD after MD to no avail. Asked a holistic chiropractor who suggested acidophilus capsules - no problem the next day or since. I eat yogurt daily - plain, no sweetener, tapioca, additives, whatever. Just plain yogurt. Activia contains an ingredient I do not ingest but I cannot remember which one. I am saddened by the grip which mainstream medicine has on so many people. Unless I have a broken bone, I will look for alternatives first. In my experience and studies, they are generally safer and more effective. At least I know I am not going to be poisoned by some chemical that has not been adequately tested and which has been reviewed in medical journals by someone paid by the drug company. |
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17 Dec 10 - 03:18 PM (#3055808) Subject: RE: BS: Activia Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: gnu Patsy... "silly little bottles". Yes, I've seen them and they are beyond silly but someone is buying them. Marketing, eh? That's why Danone is the largest supplier of dairy products in the world. I doubut if $21M is more than a pimple on a cow's ass to them. |
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17 Dec 10 - 03:57 PM (#3055839) Subject: RE: BS: Activia Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: bobad "I am saddened by the grip which mainstream medicine has on so many people" Why don't you ask the millions upon millions of people whose lives have been saved by the use of such "mainstream medicine" as antibiotics, pacemakers, anticoagulants, insulin etc., etc., etc just how saddened they are by "mainstream medicine". While you're at it why not ask the millions upon millions of children who have been spared lives of suffering and early death by the administration of vaccines against smallpox, diphtheria, tetanus, measles etc., etc., etc. how they feel about "mainstream medicine". |
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17 Dec 10 - 04:13 PM (#3055850) Subject: RE: BS: Activia Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: GUEST,999 Treat a cold and it will last seven days. Don`t treat it and it will last a week. I would not have had a hip replacement were it not for mainstream medicine. Condroitin (sp) and glucosamine (sp) didn`t help a bit. However, it took four hospitals and finally a pediatrician to diagnose my then young daughter`s rash--a reaction to something. He took one look and asked if she`d been taking Ceclor. She had. He then said, `She`s allergic to penicillin.` I don`t know why it took four hospitals and FIVE doctors. |
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17 Dec 10 - 04:23 PM (#3055859) Subject: RE: BS: Activia Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: GUEST,999 Also, allow me to bring up the cost of prescription drugs. Mainstream medicine IS in bed with drug companies, and we should ALL be ashamed about that. The drug Thalidomide comes to mind. Available in Canada in 1959, it was not removed from the market until 1962. While I do see both bobad and Dorothy`s points of view, I take both views with a little bit of salt. No offense to either of you. |
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17 Dec 10 - 04:41 PM (#3055868) Subject: RE: BS: Activia Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: bobad Ask Spaw if he's saddened by "mainstream medicine". |
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17 Dec 10 - 04:53 PM (#3055874) Subject: RE: BS: Activia Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: Dorothy Parshall None taken, "999". There is much to be said on both sides - both pro and con. My experience is that mainstream has done more TO me than for me. I will not share the lengthy dissertation. As for antibiotics, one could take the stance that what they have done is save some lives and made lots of nasty wee critters immune so that we can only wonder what the end result may be. When I needed an antibiotic for pneumonia, I found that the fact that I had taken none for 10 years was irrelevant. The nasty critters did not know me, they knew antibiotics and thumbed their noses at them. Almost everything we humans get wrong with us can, in fact, be avoided or cured without the invasive and dangerous tactics. It is a known that most of the worst are being caused by toxins in the environment. This includes cancers, heart problems, obesity, and auto-immune diseases such as MS, MCS and more. Even the nurse at the cancer clinic responded immediately, to the question, "why such an increase in breast cancer?" with a firm, "It's the environment!" I lived 17 years in an area where there were uranium mines - it was said to have the highest incidence of cancer in Canada. I liked living there; possibly it will cost me my life in the end but I have been around rather long enough anyway. The environmental pollution is why I live with a high quality air cleaner, a distiller for water, carefully chosen foods without added chemicals, eat my yogurt, and take a limited, well chosen group of supplements. It is good to know that the alternative of mainstream exists for those who need it and that could be me at some point but I sure hope not. The person I trust most for advice in Montreal is a mainstream person. I will continue to study the other options. Nothing is foolproof. |
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17 Dec 10 - 08:56 PM (#3056052) Subject: RE: BS: Activia Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: Stilly River Sage You can use the whey from yogurt cheese in other things. I think I used it as part of the liquid in beans or soup when I make them; I can't remember now, it has been a while. I'll have to look through my recipes. It's a good source of protein. I'd put it in ice cube trays for now and freeze it, then bag them up and leave them in the freezer to use a little or a lot at a time. I know that whey is an ingredient in the dough of my favorite brand of pizza in the area. I spoke to the owner of one of the restaurant chains and he said he thought that had something to do with the condition of the dough. You wouldn't use a lot, replacing some liquid in the recipe, but I think there are probably a lot of liquid dishes that a little whey won't hurt, and that might be healthier with the extra protein. SRS |
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18 Dec 10 - 04:44 AM (#3056220) Subject: RE: BS: Activia Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: Melissa Whey also feels really good on your skin.. |
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18 Dec 10 - 06:08 AM (#3056264) Subject: RE: BS: Activia Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: Mr Red I read in the New Scientist an article that claimed Yoghurt did not cure thrush - even if taken externally! Which rather reminds me of two things - the pitfalls of journalism and the lack of holistic reasoning. Men don't suffer from thrush? Right? Wrong! The fungus lives in all of us, and when the gut flora are out of balance - urine can become excessively acidic. That is when the fungus multiplies to the point that the doctor tells you you have thrush. That doctor doesn't connect the fact that he prescribed penicillin 2/3 weeks ago. Or he doesn't know because the dentist did. Hint - insist on moxicillin. Now - a lady of this parish said to me (don't ask) "I can tell when thrush is about to attack, so I eat yoghurt and all is fine" And you know - since that year (with a tell-tale lapse due to complacency) I have had no pre-cursor symptoms and a lot of yoghurt. A sample of two is hardly scientific but then misuse of the English language isn't either. My point (apart from the uses of yoghurt)? Cure is not the only answer. Prevention is also efficacious, all it needs is diligence. |
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18 Dec 10 - 07:49 AM (#3056309) Subject: RE: BS: Activia Yoghurt good fer yer guts? From: melodeonboy "Good for yer guts?" It's certainly good for Danone's profits! Regarding the health claims, the company seems to be getting itself in a bit of trouble with exaggerated health claims, in both Europe and the USA, as indicated in the following two extracts: French food group Danone waits a European ruling on the health benefit claims it makes on two of its best-selling yoghurts Activia and Actimel. The decision expected from the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) is important for Danone mainly because its strategy focuses on differentiating dairy brands with a "good for you" proposition. If a negative decision appears, this could ultimately force Danone to redesign its growth model in dairy business, which made up almost 60 percent of the group's sales of around 15 billion euros in 2009. (www.getfoodnews.com) Dannon, part of the world's biggest yogurt maker Danone, agreed to pay a $21 million fine and stop making exaggerated health claims for two popular Dannon products under a settlement with the federal government and attorneys general from 39 states on Wednesday. (www.wtsp.com) F***'em! Make your own or buy equally good stuff that's cheaper! |