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16 Dec 10 - 01:06 PM (#3054880) Subject: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation From: katlaughing This coming Saturday marks one year to the day when our maeve and TL survived a house fire which destroyed their home and all of its contents. As we realise, again, just how fortunate we are to have them still among us, let us also concentrate on facing forward with them as they watch the literal foundations of their new home being built. Here's to extra {{{{HUGS}}}} and loving thoughts as they pass through that one year mark and keep what is coming in their hearts. Here's to New Beginnings! luvyakat |
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16 Dec 10 - 01:08 PM (#3054883) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation From: maeve Thanks, kat. I'll be in from time to time to post. Maeve |
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16 Dec 10 - 01:10 PM (#3054884) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation From: katlaughing Looking forward to what you feel like sharing, maeve. Thanks! |
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16 Dec 10 - 01:19 PM (#3054893) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation From: gnu Can't come fast enough. I am looking forward to seeing the "move" take place. |
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16 Dec 10 - 01:54 PM (#3054922) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation From: Wesley S Good news. I had a friend who experienced the same thing. They went to the movies - and when they came home started wondering what all the firetrucks were doing in the neighborhood..... |
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16 Dec 10 - 04:44 PM (#3055063) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation From: LilyFestre WOO HOOOO!!! Maeve, I just got off the phone and she said to me, "What a difference a year makes!" I, for one, am putting 2010 behind me and moving forward with a gratitude I can't even begin to put in words....funny how the perspective changes. I say that you, TL and I need to find some EXTRA enjoyment in the year ahead!!!!! Love to you both!!! Michelle |
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16 Dec 10 - 06:26 PM (#3055124) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation From: katlaughing That's right, Michelle. You've had one heck of a year, too. Just so gratefull you are both here, still, as well as TL and yer own darlin's. |
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16 Dec 10 - 06:48 PM (#3055144) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation From: maeve Well thanks...just remember we all have challenges particular to our own situations. You really can't tell a human book by its cover! I can tell you that our foundation guys are working into the night right now, making sure everything is ready for official pouring of the foundation early tomorrow morning. TL has gone out into the cold to help. We appreciate the time and care this team has given our project. It will make all the difference in the world. It's an ICF foundation (http://newformbuilding.com/benefits.html)and it's round. Maeve |
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17 Dec 10 - 12:45 AM (#3055322) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation From: katlaughing That sounds wonderful!! Looks like some very beneficial building material and round is natural.:-) |
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17 Dec 10 - 12:51 AM (#3055326) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: open mike sweet! when i lived in a tipi i came to love roundness in all things! congratualtions...I have good news of my own too i will be issued a building permit...after 2 1/2years... just one more inspector to look at the building site and then .....on with the show! is the pouring on rain or shine (or snow?) doesn't cement/concrete have requirements temperature-wise? i think it generates heat at first from the chemical reactions in the lime stone or something?? best of luck to you fellow r.v. dwellers...and PHOENIX Pholks!! |
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17 Dec 10 - 05:50 AM (#3055414) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve open mike- "doesn't cement/concrete have requirements temperature-wise? i think it generates heat at first from the chemical reactions in the lime stone or something??" Yes. In our case by pouring into the insulated forms we'll gain the heating of the chemical reaction being held in for the curing period. They'll probably add a sack of calcium chloride for a further assist in this cold. Congratulations to you too, on your building permit. That's great news! |
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17 Dec 10 - 07:39 AM (#3055465) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve The foundation crew arrived at 6:30, the concrete truck a few minutes ago, along with a concrete pump vehicle with a top rigging that looks like a praying mantis with a long flexible spout. Any minute now... |
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17 Dec 10 - 07:44 AM (#3055467) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney yes! |
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17 Dec 10 - 08:01 AM (#3055476) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Beer Will be following the thread closely. Good luck to you. ad. |
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17 Dec 10 - 08:01 AM (#3055477) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Looking forward to sharin' in the yurt journey... B~ |
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17 Dec 10 - 08:04 AM (#3055478) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve It's 8 degrees F outside, and the concrete is filling the forms nicely. A second truck is on the sidelines, the tank rotating patiently until the first is empty. I love watching the operator work the remote control; it's like a great big remote control toy. |
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17 Dec 10 - 09:13 AM (#3055518) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL Very exciting stuff and timed perfectly. One year tomorrow. And a snow storm headed this way Monday. Keep us posted, maeve. |
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17 Dec 10 - 09:28 AM (#3055530) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve That's three trucks of concrete pumped into the ICF forms. We can see the steam rising around the rim. |
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17 Dec 10 - 09:32 AM (#3055534) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve I'm as wound up as Kendall's watch before it broke. We're going to keep on ticking, Sins. The next couple of fire anniversary days will be tricky. We're getting practical encouragement from every person working on our house. All are confirming that we've chosen well regarding our foundation and the man who's building it. Thanks also for the encouragement here. |
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17 Dec 10 - 09:40 AM (#3055544) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: John MacKenzie Time was when every woman required a good foundation. There's a song somewhere. |
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17 Dec 10 - 09:43 AM (#3055546) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: John MacKenzie Yer tiz All Around My Fat Lyrics by: Penny Ward Tune: All around my hat (Traditional) Chorus: All around my fat I will wear the Playtex Girdle And all around my fat For an evening and a day And if anyone should ask me The reason why I'm wearing it It's all for my true love Who thinks I'm built this way Verse 1 Take half a pound of talcum And a small jar of Vaseline A shoehorn comes in handy It's the biggest you've ever seen! You put it all together And you will plainly see I'm a different shape completely And in abject agony Chorus Verse 2 The other night he bought me A small box of lingerie All frothy lace and satin The colour of ivory I went to change and left him Anticipating hedony So much for Janet Reger I can't get them past my knees! Chorus Verse3 Fare thee well Weight Watchers And fare the well the step class Three stone have I gained And my waistline I have lost I'll eat and I'll be merry Dispense with guilt and calories I'll stuff the sodding 'F' plan It's a fry up for me tea! |
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17 Dec 10 - 10:09 AM (#3055566) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL Fond memories of a genie, a bumblebee and assorted tarts at the Getaway. Thanks, John. |
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17 Dec 10 - 10:09 AM (#3055567) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve At least we know who's confused, gnu. Hi John. |
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17 Dec 10 - 10:11 AM (#3055569) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: jacqui.c I remember singing that with the Ladies Of The Chorus at the Getaway in 2005 - it was nice to see an idea I had come to fruition! Maeve - I am so glad that things have started happening. I was wondering how it was going and giving thanks that, to date, the snow had held off. This was a good day to set the foundations of your new home, exactly one year after the fire. I'm looking forward to coming up to see progress in a few weeks time, weather permitting! |
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17 Dec 10 - 10:18 AM (#3055581) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Actually, we have a fair amount of snow here, Jacqui. The fire began a year ago tomorrow night, and was finally extinguished late on the following day. We're hoping the codwalloping storm on its way here will stay offshore. We don't want any more snow, thank you... at least until we have the weathertight shell secured. You'll be a welcome visitor, as usual. We have a round ICF foundation filled with concrete. |
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17 Dec 10 - 10:54 AM (#3055607) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage maeve, I'm glad your story is now in a thread where we can follow your progress. The house you've chosen is both smart and beautiful. And while you're marking the anniversaries on the calendar, you live in the now, not the past, so let the joy of the creative act of building this new house carry you forward. It's not just beautiful, it is energizing. When I moved into this house I built a new garage, and realized that neighbors out walking would pause at the bottom of the drive and visit as they watched the progress. There was also some cross pollination - my contractor and his workers ended up doing other jobs in the neighborhood, construction, roofing, and painting, because people took their measure as they worked on this house. I enjoy driving past those other places, remembering the process. I'm sure you'll find that this is the stone in the water that sends ripples out through your community. SRS |
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17 Dec 10 - 11:04 AM (#3055616) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Maggie, that's the whole focus of our path here. We're making connections between our yurt company and local workers, between neighbors who have never worked together, between local workers and other local jobs, between people in need of decent, affordable housing and a real, accessible option in these yurts, and eventually between music lovers and musicians. While it appears this is about our new beginning, our goal is to foster many new beginnings, spreading the circle of cooperation and joy in ever-expanding rings. It's not about us so much as it's about cooperation. We're glad y'all are here for the ride. Maeve |
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17 Dec 10 - 11:05 AM (#3055619) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Jeri I don't know this is very good, but it's a hope for you, the offering of a friend: A phoenix born of waiting ashes From frozen ground she rises Made of love and concrete And hopes and dreams and wishes The soul of the phoenix sings with joy: The bleak, black ground I'll cover Your new life starts today Let the cold and fear be over I shall rise I shall be new I shall stretch my wings and fly As you will too And, as later, on this winter's night You behold me, gleaming white Then warmly sleep, to dream of flight My feathers lightly brush your eyes You laugh your way to morning And the very earth around you sighs For the phoenix in your hearts, a-borning |
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17 Dec 10 - 12:05 PM (#3055666) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Nancy King Nice job, Jeri! Maeve, I'm so glad to hear your good news! Actual, tangible progress! Things should move along more quickly now, right? Sounds like a good Christmas present! Can you post a few pictures to show us how it's going? Looking forward to seeing you in February! Nancy |
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17 Dec 10 - 02:04 PM (#3055750) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Bet there is alot of talk about the concrete by the crew... These ICFs are a little tricky and they like just the right mix for the foundation and then for the wall... I'm sure ya'll are learnin' alot about that stuff, maeve... I'm assuming that the yurt is prefab but do you have to build the floor and set on that 'er to the boxes fit right down on the ICF walls??? Any hurricane straps set in the walls??? B~ |
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17 Dec 10 - 02:24 PM (#3055768) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Jeri, that is beautiful. Thank you. It reminds me of the phoenix paintings open mike sent us for the quilt. Hmmm...gives me an idea. Nancy, I'm thinking about pictures. I need to balance privacy for us with information for friends. At any rate you can come see for yourself if you plan for a side trip next time you are up this way visiting any of our mutual friends. Bobert, fortunately we have an expert and talented foundation man on the job. Not only does he have a pristine reputation based on his other foundations in the area, he also has done the only other local ICF yurt foundation for a customer of our yurt company. There was no hesitation or concern; just professional, high quality work. He said the angles are tricky, but it has come out beautifully. The folks running the mixers and extension pumper were equally adept, and everyone working on the project so far has been rightfully proud to have taken part. Yes, these kits are prefab. Usually the floor would be pre-built in wedges, but we saved a bundle having our floor built on site...and that's the next big job. There's a mud sill involved too, and the components that are wending their way cross country fit exactly over the mud sill. The wall panels come with windows installed, exterior siding and roofing in place, and the beautiful Western Red Cedar interior domed ceiling sealed. Hurricane straps? Not by that name. That's enough for now. TL needs a hand covering the new foundation with blankets for the night. Maeve |
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17 Dec 10 - 02:27 PM (#3055773) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: GUEST,999 Maeve, This is one beautiful thread for a beautiful couple of people. Good one, Kat. |
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17 Dec 10 - 02:39 PM (#3055783) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu RESURGO! Now, some thred drift... I cringe at cold weather pours. Once, on a pour at an aircraft parking apron, I called the flight service station and asked for the latest weather. The temp was to drop to -5C by morn and a cold 50 kph wind was blowing so I instructed the contractor to make preparartions for protection. He was a rookie at paving with only money and balls who had bid low and had not an idea of what to do. I told him to get at least 20 mil polyethelene sheets and run them perpendicular to the rails (steel tubes 150 mm above the deck) of the paving train, fasten them to the rails with the overlaps away from the wind, and sand bag the exterior of the rails. He found some 20 mil. At about 10 PM, we were sharing a pizza and some ales in my vehicle when the first sheet was cut and being placed. Four teenaged lads, one at each corner of the sheet were approaching the freshly poured bay, fighting with the sheet in the wind. A gust of wind caught the sheet and one of the lads at a downwind corner who weighed about 60 kg soaking wet rose slowly to about 1 m off the ground.... then, like a rocket, to about 2.5 m up... then back to the ground... then back up. The contractor asks me, "Suppose he'll eventually let go?" I said, "Well, if he does and that plastic flaps on the crete it'll cost ya." He rolled down his window in panic and hollered at the other lads, "Quit laughing and help that man. And from now on I want two fat fuckers on every corner." I felt sorry for the little fellow but all was fine and we laughed when the foreman said to him, "Yer nickname is Dawwwg on accounta you looked like one a them there little dogs chomping down on sumthin and swinging in the breeze." Of course, if the little fellow had got flapped off the sheet when he was up in the air, he could have been hurt and that would have cost the contractor a fine and possibly more but I never did get the chance to mention that. |
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17 Dec 10 - 03:08 PM (#3055798) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Interesting thread drifts are good, gnu. Snow drifts and wind drafts are forbidden. Good story, as usual. We managed to get the heavy insulating blankets all around the top of the foundation, walking on the scaffolding. The excavator just arrived for tomorrow's gravel fill. Before that happens, a waterproof membrane will go all around the outside of the foundation. Bobert (and anybody else with ICF experience), you have any recommendations for the ICF finish on the exposed outside? We want to use something efficient, low maintenance, and affordable. There will be gravel all around the perimeter at ground level. We know better than to crowd shrubs up against the foundation. I have some ideas regarding decorative aspects on the ICF finish, too, too. |
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17 Dec 10 - 03:34 PM (#3055818) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing Jeri, that was beautiful..brought tears to m'eyes.:-) Thanks, Bruce. This IS so exciting! Everything seems to be in Divine time and working like a beautiful symphony. I keep thinking of the phoenix rising trivet..all those years I just thought it was a rooster crowing. Now I know for sure why I was guided to send it!**bg** |
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17 Dec 10 - 03:55 PM (#3055837) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Jeri I've seen plans for those yurts, and I'm jealous. I'm sorry about how you got there, but you're gonna have one great home! |
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17 Dec 10 - 04:04 PM (#3055845) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: EBarnacle Many years ago, when I was living on my schooner, someone asked me what I would do if it sank in a hurricane. My response was: Step off, I can always build another. Things are nice to have but they can be replaced. People can't. Well done. |
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17 Dec 10 - 04:08 PM (#3055848) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: AllisonA(Animaterra) How wonderful! Full and abundant blessings to you and TL! |
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17 Dec 10 - 04:20 PM (#3055857) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert I think the outside walls can be parged with mortar and finished just about anyway you like... Broom swirls, spongy popcorn, fake stone or brick is easy with a pointing tool... The main thing is to be ready to do it after the parge just is beginning to set up... And, of course, it can be painted/dyed... Ask yer concrete guy about it... Of course, the wall will have to have parge up to the the fill line... But then again, I have never done an ICF foundation so I'm kinda uswing what I know about standard footer/block building... B~ |
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17 Dec 10 - 04:21 PM (#3055858) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Dorothy Parshall Wonderful!! I have had dreams of living in a yurt, researched them.... Now I sit here wondering... What if we... Maybe we could.... This is a great Christmas present all around and new year's too. May it all go well - and no one get blown away - except in good ways. I, too, will be watching the progress. |
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17 Dec 10 - 04:45 PM (#3055870) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu Re the ICF finish... I used to spec a heavy duty plastic "drain" full height which protects the membrane and the insulation during backfill. The finish can then be applied above grade mechanically (never glue) with aluminum fasteners. Some of these come in different colours and are quite decorative and are meant to be used without a finish when they are applied full height. But, if the backfilling is tomorrow, too late. Backfilling is tomorrow? Is the floor already on or is bracing in place? |
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17 Dec 10 - 07:50 PM (#3056017) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL Things are going your way, Maeve. That storm has taken a turn to the east and will dump all or most of the snow in the ocean. A co-worker has asked for photos of the yurt building. Seems he is considering one. SINS |
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17 Dec 10 - 08:05 PM (#3056030) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage The prefab builder has a web site with lots of beautiful examples. Next time she comes in from taking another look, maybe maeve will post the link. A few of the designs look like they borrow the 8-sided hogan structure from the Southwest. It has to be cold work, even if the concrete is giving off heat. I hope the coffee and cocoa are handy! Have a great weekend, and here's hoping the snow stays away for a while. SRS |
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17 Dec 10 - 08:43 PM (#3056048) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage Here's a search that gives you a lot to look at. I was working on San Juan Island in Washington State in the mid-1980s, and visited a friend who was house-sitting something like one of these. It was a two-story, possibly pre-fab, built in the octagon shape of a hogan, and was absolutely lovely. SRS |
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17 Dec 10 - 09:02 PM (#3056058) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Hi, Stilly. There are many excellent yurt, Flying Concrete, Straw Bale, and other creative small house kits and designs. Rather than promote a particular manufacturer here, we'd prefer to encourage interested parties to search for their own perfect design made by the company that suits them best. If a Mudcat member is seriously interested in our choice, I'd prefer to be contacted by PM. Sins- Good news about the weather pattern. PM on its way to you. I'm tired, and the next couple of days and nights will be hard. Have a good weekend... and thank you. |
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18 Dec 10 - 01:58 AM (#3056160) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage A friend of mine in Tucson built her own straw bale house, after a lot of research. She found a contractor to work with, but did most of the sub-contracting, with his advice, and hired herself to work on the crew so she could cut her expenses but also learn how to build it. She built it with the living, kitchen, bath, and bedroom area for herself and designed it with a suite - bedroom, bath, and sitting area with a private porch and parking area to do a bed and breakfast. Right after Sept. 11 it was difficult, but her business has built back up since then. It's a lovely house. SRS |
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18 Dec 10 - 02:04 AM (#3056163) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Very nice, Stilly. I like the stucco look of straw bale houses and loved one built by friends near here. We may decide to reflect that look inside. Since we're starting with a weather tight shell, we'll have some time during the winter to plan how we want to finish the inside and what we can afford, and when. |
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18 Dec 10 - 07:51 AM (#3056310) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Wouldn't you know...not much sleep for me last night. I can't blame it entirely on the bright moon or the local coyotes, either. We awoke to 39F inside the camper. Please excuse me if I stumble. So gnu- I guess we have decided the excavator is here so soon just to have it at the ready. No, the floor hasn't been framed yet. Yes, the foundation is still braced as it had to be for the foundation pouring (The three footings were poured at the same time.) They've left the scaffolding in place on the inside to help with the floor building. All around the exterior are the boards used to brace the outside. They will be removed before the water barrier is applied. |
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18 Dec 10 - 08:20 AM (#3056327) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert With the 3 footers I'm assuming that there will be a center "girder" to hold the floor joists??? Yes/no??? |
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18 Dec 10 - 08:40 AM (#3056339) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Yes, Bobert. that's correct. Three vertical (wooden) I-beam supports, one horizontal. It will gives us much more workable space in the basement. If we'd had the company-built floor wedges, there would have been many more footers and supports in the basement. We liked the circles of supports in the place we visited (and made some music banging on the resonant supports, too!), but that design is only needed for the prefab floor sections. We're having the floor built on site, so we can use this support system and a plywood subfloor. This link tells more about the ICF blocks. Bobert, you already have this one. http://www.toolbase.org/Technology-Inventory/walls/Insulating-Concrete-Forms |
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18 Dec 10 - 08:54 AM (#3056345) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Slag I can only imagine what losing all one's possessions and house would be like. I've given much thought to the why of hanging on to "things". Mainly, they are aids to memory, artificial ways to unclutter your mind as you clutter your house. In one way such a loss would be like suddenly finding yourself on a tightrope without a net. You would discover how capable the mind is at recalling the past without all aids and crutches. You would also discover what is really important and what is not. Most of those connections stretch to people, our folks and friends, living and not. They still abide in our hearts, with or without the keepsakes. May God bless you as you move in and begin again. I see you are already richly blessed with fine family and friends and in the end, that's all anyone really needs. |
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18 Dec 10 - 09:03 AM (#3056350) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Okay, I think I get it but what supports the girder??? Metal lolly columns??? And what Slag said, tho, I am sending ya'll a Bobert CD as part of yer new collection... Actually, I've been boxing up stuff for the last month for the anticipated move and in doing so have thought about ya'll a lot... Not that much of what is boxed up has any particular worldly value but it does mean alot to us... B~ |
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18 Dec 10 - 10:01 AM (#3056394) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: ClaireBear Thinking of you, Maeve and TL, after a cold rainy windy night in California. A couple of times last night I thought my tent was going to lift off and fly to Maine with me (and a rather worried cat) in it -- then I could at least make tea or something. But no, we stayed aground after all, so I send you warmth and strength from afar instead. |
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18 Dec 10 - 10:33 AM (#3056405) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: olddude Next year will be a wonderful year for you both, I just know it. I am very happy to hear that it is coming together. Love to you both |
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18 Dec 10 - 05:24 PM (#3056701) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: JennieG The new home sounds wonderful. Yes, the old building is gone, and the possessions, but you have the memories - and you will be able to make more lovely memories in your new home. We would love to see pics! Cheers JennieG |
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18 Dec 10 - 05:55 PM (#3056726) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Bobert- Ok. Plans have changed so often here my head is swimming. Three cement filled lolly columns are the verticals, set on the three footings. One girt beam goes across those, then 14" I-joist floor joists, which will permit us to span 20+ft. Finally, a mudsill, then the plywood subfloor. A better explanation than that will have to wait for me to see it for myself. The water barrier film was applied today under what the foundation maker called perfect conditions; warm enough for the adhesive to grip the ICF completely, and cold enough that he could peel the brown coated paper backing off by himself, without the whole adhesive side getting stuck on itself. He sealed every centimeter of the below grade ICF, and continued the barrier over the exposed part of the circular self-draining footing. It was a bitter cold Friday night one year ago today when we awoke to the house engulfed in flames. We're grateful for our lives, our marriage, and the many kindnesses that have continued ever since. We're ok; but we've also both been reeling a bit since this Friday, yesterday. I was awake and alert all night, my body knowing the anniversary before my mind recognised it. Goodnight. |
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18 Dec 10 - 06:46 PM (#3056758) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing maeve, I hope you can get some safe and warm sleep, tonight. Just think, come Tuesday, each day will be a little longer..heading into more light in more ways than one. |
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18 Dec 10 - 07:47 PM (#3056799) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert We're grateful ya'll still here, to, maeve... Yes, I understand the girder and lolly columns... Won't take up alot of space... I guess ya'll gonna pour a concrete basement floor soon as the walls set up and the supports can be taken out??? Lovin' it... Keep sharin'... B~ |
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18 Dec 10 - 07:57 PM (#3056806) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Kat- Thanks. That would be very nice. We could both use some sweet sleep. Bobert- The insulated basement slab will be poured after the yurt floor is in place, so the concrete will remain warm enough to cure. I'm glad my description held together this time. Thanks everyone. |
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18 Dec 10 - 08:39 PM (#3056817) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Yeah, that makes sense... The one thing I hate about basements floors is cracking because of the size of the pour... Seems that no matter how much you try to cover and protect the concrete or how much re-rod you use you come back a year later and it has a few hairline cracks... Seems to me that if "expansion joints" were used and it was poured in stages that would cut down on the cracking... BTW, do you have sub-terrarium pests??? Like termites??? If so, now is the time to treat under the slab... But I guess yer on top of this kinda stuff... B~ |
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18 Dec 10 - 09:07 PM (#3056829) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: open mike I have stayed in yurts in the oregon state parks...made by Pacific Yurt company.foto here: http://www.oregon.gov/OPRD/PARKS/rustic.shtml and this organization has built a straw bale house for a family with 6 kids who were one of the 200 homes lost in the fires we had in 2008. their crew consisted of both volunteers and people who paid to attend a workshops where they learned about the techniques of building straw bale houses. http://www.strawbuilding.org/pages/main.php?pageid=1 |
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19 Dec 10 - 04:59 AM (#3056991) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: jacqui.c Jeri - wonderful song - I had a lump in my throat reading the words. Maeve - It's good to see the progress day by day. It seems to be going really well, here's hoping to continued good works. |
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19 Dec 10 - 08:33 AM (#3057130) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu Bobert... crete cracks. Control (expansion) joints sawn at the right time or using "inserts" (which I do not recommend for slabs) are best. They can be trwoelled but that's tricky, especially in a basement, on wide pours and it's labour intensive. |
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19 Dec 10 - 10:58 AM (#3057200) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage Organic options for termite treatment (or pre-treating). |
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19 Dec 10 - 01:31 PM (#3057295) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Cats Maeve ~ Secret Santas don't forget...... |
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19 Dec 10 - 03:11 PM (#3057376) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: wysiwyg Hope is always the most intelligent attitude. ~Susan |
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19 Dec 10 - 09:39 PM (#3057573) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Well, the basement slab in the yurt we inspected wasn't cracked. That one and ours-to-be-poured are both insulated slabs. We'll see how it goes. We've been impressed by the quality of the concrete work so far. As for termites, nope. Not an issue here, thanks. All the nooks and crannies will be sealed, wood will be sealed and protected from moisture, drainage should be excellent, plantings will be kept away from the foundation, and we'll have a wide band of gravel all around. The ICF foundation looks good, and the waterproof membrane was successfully applied. Our foundation expert said the temperature was perfect for it yesterday; cold enough for him to peel away the brown backing and apply the film to the ICF without it sticking to itself, and warm enough the adhesive got a good grip. It covers all of the foundation that will be below grade, including the exposed concrete of the self-draining footing around the perimeter. We'll have another long day tomorrow with backfilling, scaffolding removal, and the floor and supports to be assembled. Our yurt should be about halfway here tonight. |
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20 Dec 10 - 09:00 AM (#3057759) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve They're out there removing the braces and scaffolding, and beginning to backfill. I'll try to get photos, but the good camera just refused to work. I'll see what happens with the pharmacy camera. The noise really bothers me- PTSD responses. Thanks for the many posts here from friends and friendly folks. |
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20 Dec 10 - 09:35 AM (#3057779) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Everything is shaking from the equipment; three different rigs are beeping as they maneuver. When I brought fresh water out to the chicken house, our senior rooster was hollering to tell me intruders are on the premises. Yep. Kind of figured that out, Calico. I do not like the noise. |
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20 Dec 10 - 10:28 AM (#3057815) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL Got a Walkman, maeve? It might help you if not the chickens. Mary |
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20 Dec 10 - 10:33 AM (#3057819) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve It's so loud, Sins, not even the portable cd player from a friend can drown it out. It seems to fall under the heading of incurable, endurable. Remember the poem I gave you? I'd like some of that aftermath right now. At least I know it is in aid of housebuilding. The yurt truck must be nearly here, so the work needs to move quickly. Thanks, Sins. It feels really difficult at the moment. Nice to know someone is keeping an eye on us. |
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20 Dec 10 - 10:39 AM (#3057822) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Nancy King Sounds like the work is proceeding pretty fast -- just look forward to being snug and PEACEFUL in your new house! |
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20 Dec 10 - 10:42 AM (#3057827) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Very exciting, maeve... Not to worry, the back hoe will be gone tonight... Then you'll wonder what that sound is... You know, ahhhhhh, silence... Are they going to use a crane to set the modules and roof??? If so, then yer gonna have to put up with that noise, too, but with less banging and beeping... Back to pests... Is it that there are no termites that far north or that you think you have things sealed well enough??? If it's the latter then ya' might want to reconsider... Around these parts soil treatment is required no matter how tight everything is or how much gravel.sand and plastic is under the slab... Just' lookin' out fir ya'... Hope ya' get yer camera workin'... B~ |
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20 Dec 10 - 10:49 AM (#3057832) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & T From: Charley Noble Sounds exciting! Do hang a star on the yurt's top post. Cheerly, Charley Noble |
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20 Dec 10 - 10:56 AM (#3057838) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve We've never heard of termites this far north, Bobert. but I see there are some here in Maine. http://www.termites.com/regional-termite-information/maine/ Our precautions are for Carpenter ants, rodents, cluster flies, mosquitoes, etc. We can ask about termites, although we'd have to stick to organic treatments. Yes, the wall and roof panels are extremely heavy and a crane is going to be here for that part. Ordinarily the noise would bother, but not cause distress for me. Since it's PTSD related I manage my responses rather than trying to control events that are upsetting. Thanks for your encouragement, Bobert and Nancy. |
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20 Dec 10 - 10:56 AM (#3057839) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve We cross posted, Charlie. We have a big LED star on the utility pole. It'll have to do. |
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20 Dec 10 - 11:29 AM (#3057859) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Further research tells me : "…termite control is required in all states except Alaska, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Michigan, (except the very southern part), Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, Washington, Oregon, Idaho and the northern parts of Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa, and New York." From "Houses: the illustrated guide to construction, design & systems", by Henry S. Harrison.) Found here on Google Books I think we won't worry overmuch. |
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20 Dec 10 - 11:38 AM (#3057863) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing Thanks for posting that, maeve. We had a pest control "expert" out when we first bought this place, who wanted us to spend a bunch of money after he supposedly found evidence of termites in one small piece of lumber in the crawl space. In all of my born years, in CO and WY, I've never heard of them being a problem. (We did not spend the money for him to do whatever.:-) Is there any way you can think of it as a "joyFULL noise" as in "we're getting our new house, oh joy!"? PTSD is tough, coming out of the blue as it can do. {{{{Quiet Hugs}}}} kat |
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20 Dec 10 - 11:48 AM (#3057868) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Hello, kat. As a matter of fact, I've decided to classify the noise as being SRR ('Spaw Recovery Racket). |
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20 Dec 10 - 11:57 AM (#3057870) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Ebbie Southeast Alaska, where I live, doesn't have a problem with termites, so far as I know, but carpenter ants are a different story. We even have them out in the forest taking down tree stumps and I know a number of homes that have to be treated from time to time. Our cool, damp conditions are ideal for them, I am told. |
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20 Dec 10 - 01:12 PM (#3057912) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve The girt/girder is a laminated beam and is in position. They're carefully measuring and cutting the three filled lolly columns, and setting them in place. It's very cold. I'm relieved to see the work crew seem to be staying warm. |
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20 Dec 10 - 02:15 PM (#3057946) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve It's mighty quiet out there. Hmmm. Better go see what's what. |
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20 Dec 10 - 03:11 PM (#3057977) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu Soooo... is there a revised sched for errection? |
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20 Dec 10 - 04:21 PM (#3058016) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Got a call from the trucking company, gnu. The yurt delivery is likely Wednesday morning. Some of the crew is still working outside in the dark, and it's been snowing since about 2 pm. It will be a challenge to find places to put each pallet and crate so as to be convenient and level. |
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20 Dec 10 - 06:43 PM (#3058124) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve So... when it arrives, each pallet and crate must go into a particular spot in a particular order. We may have to organize after offloading with the forklift, but I'm hoping to get it close to right from the start. Then we'll cover it all because the puzzle won't be assembled until after Christmas. |
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20 Dec 10 - 07:32 PM (#3058149) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing Ah, that's better than trying to rush to get it done before Christmas, I expect, right? It is exciting to read about! I like that SRR!!:-) |
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20 Dec 10 - 07:45 PM (#3058162) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert That beam is actually called an LVL (laminated veneer lumber) and they are strong, strong, strong... Glad to hear that the termites don't live that far north... Around these parts you can't get a loan on a new house if the dirt under the slab hasn't been treated... Can't wait for the next installment... B~ |
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20 Dec 10 - 07:49 PM (#3058167) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL Snow is falling in Portland. You seem to be getting more ice. Whatever! Stay warm and safe. One more week to construction. Mary |
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20 Dec 10 - 07:53 PM (#3058169) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve It would be more than foolish to try to rush this particular puzzle. It will take patience and attention to detail, but it's an efficient crew, and they work well. It must go together correctly and in a particular order. I think we're in good hands and have a good product. Yes, Bobert. We don't need no stinking termites! Next installment maybe tomorrow. I have to go find a replacement camera we can afford first. Goodnight. |
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20 Dec 10 - 07:56 PM (#3058170) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve We cross posted, Mary! Yes, we'll likely have at least another three weeks in this camper between the holiday break and the weather. |
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21 Dec 10 - 09:54 AM (#3058525) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve This morning Truelove fixed the camera for the time being. The continual shaking of the camper this morning is due to trenches being dug for septic and water connections. The weather is blowing snow, sleet, and freezing rain. Miserable working conditions for sure. Yurt alert: The driver reckons he'll be here by late tonight or early tomorrow. |
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21 Dec 10 - 09:57 AM (#3058526) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney a very close, cosy christmas! |
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21 Dec 10 - 10:03 AM (#3058529) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Hi, Sandra. It will more likely be a trapped in the cold camper, unable to get to see my elderly mother Christmas, but we'll see what is possible. |
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21 Dec 10 - 11:52 AM (#3058608) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Sewer line and well line are in and the trenches filled in. They've been working on the wooden plate fitting over the reinforced iron bars in the top of the foundation. The last corner of our old foundation, where the water tank was, has been filled in. TL cut down the common lilac trees from the north end of the old foundation so that garden can be used for pallets and crates of yurt components. I think my dad's hostas in that bed will be just fine next spring. I moved the rest of the fire salvage from the front line of the old hole so the forklift and crane can maneuver more comfortably. |
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21 Dec 10 - 12:12 PM (#3058619) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Sounds like you'll have yer pressure tank in the basement... What have ya'll been doin' for water in the RV, maeve??? BTW, are they going to put in a floor drain in the basement??? B~ |
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21 Dec 10 - 12:18 PM (#3058626) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Bobert, it's not a floating slab, and it's water tight. No drain as far as I know. As for water, it's quite a challenge. For a while we could use the old water tank with a garden hose attached. As soon as we were able to get a generator, we used it to pump water from the tank into the camper's tank. Now that the hose and tank are frozen, we are stuck buying water and filling containers when we are able to. We carry out wash water in a bucket. The rented portable toilet is expensive, but makes it possible to stay here. |
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21 Dec 10 - 01:46 PM (#3058700) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing Brrrr...I'll be so glad when you have the yurt in place enough to camp out in it!:-) |
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21 Dec 10 - 01:57 PM (#3058712) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thanks, Kat. So will we. The construction crew and plumbing subcontractors are working hard to have the plumbing all ready for us. Unfortunately, it's likely that even when we move in to camp in the yurt, we won't own a sink or shower (or bed or table...LOL). We may use the greenhouse sink and counter if we can determine where we want the hole for the plumbing to come through the floor into the kitchen area. We had bought a new water saving toilet before the fire but hadn't had time to install it. Fortunately, we had stored it in a shed- so that at least we can install in the yurt. The propane tank just emptied out. Time for a trip into the village for a refill. |
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21 Dec 10 - 02:17 PM (#3058722) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL Maeve, you are welcome to the inflatable queen size I use upstairs. Easily transportable; reasonably comfortable with a quilt or two underneath as well as on top. Let me know. When you get a real bed, you just deflate this one. I have twin inflatables to replace it for guests. M |
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21 Dec 10 - 02:18 PM (#3058723) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: John MacKenzie It's very comfy :) |
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21 Dec 10 - 02:34 PM (#3058740) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu Inflatable queen and twins and lobster... soooo tempting... |
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21 Dec 10 - 02:35 PM (#3058742) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Step back from the joke, gnu. You must resist...You must resist... |
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21 Dec 10 - 02:46 PM (#3058758) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thank you for your thoughtful offer, Mary. We'll keep you posted in that regard. The builder & crew are setting up the wooden I-joists, giving a base upon which the plywood subfloor will be built. Girder and concrete filled lolly columns are already placed. I'll go out for more photos. Whenever I go out there I return with 25 pounds of clay attached to my boots. After a year of excavation, I always find myself watching for pottery shards too. Found a good one from some 1870's English china this morning. Brown transfer ware with sailing ships and a border of ships' lines(rope) circling around.The pattern name escapes me at the moment. |
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21 Dec 10 - 02:52 PM (#3058763) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu Careful what you post about the pottery, m. You might be declared an archeological site and have construction stopped. If you find any arrowheads or bones, hide them. |
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21 Dec 10 - 03:14 PM (#3058782) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage If you're drinking through a garden hose, here is an article about a healthy option for a hose that doesn't have PCBs or whatever nasty chemicals are in hose linings. And this is great for any other use because supposedly it doesn't kink. (I should have added one of these to my holiday wish list!) SRS |
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21 Dec 10 - 03:23 PM (#3058795) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve No worries, g. We had several farm dumps, like any other late 18th century farm here. No one official has any interest in what we find here, and no one will interfere with us or any bits of pottery. Stilly, Thanks. I expect someone will make good use of the hose information. We don't have any water access now, nor do we have any money to buy that very nice hose. All we could do when we had water access was to disinfect the hose (survived the fire stored in the basement), water tank, camper tank, and well prior to using it. There are many products that could make this waiting time easier but they all require money. We're managing with what we have. The wind is picking up again. Oh goody...another wakeful night. :D |
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21 Dec 10 - 04:13 PM (#3058841) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve I just took another walk around, trying for a few photos if the joist work. Got three before the lens cover again refused to open. Drat. It's just so wet out there, it's hard to keep fine moisture droplets from upsetting the mechanism. I picked up another 25 pounds of clay, then found a couple of Tete a Tete daffodil bulbs lying on the surface; remains of the wildflower and bulb garden that was under the big pine we had to remove. I just found a spot to tuck them in and shoved some of the excavated earth over them. Tomorrow...yurt arrival and two hours of coordinated off loading before the weary tractor trailer drivers head home. The rim and skylight have to come off first, and the skylight, doors, and trim must be stored out of the weather. Next, time spent watching the final organization of all of the pallets. Each will be wrapped in heavy plastic, so any tarps we can borrow will keep the anticipated incoming 6" of snow from freezing on. If I were Eloise, I'd be calling Room Service about now. |
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21 Dec 10 - 04:24 PM (#3058851) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: VirginiaTam lovely news... I have a trace on the tread... hope we can get som progress pics. |
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21 Dec 10 - 04:27 PM (#3058855) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve I'm working on photos, Tam. We've been too tired to work on it for long, and things are about to get very busy. I'm glad you'll be following along with us. |
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21 Dec 10 - 04:38 PM (#3058866) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: AllisonA(Animaterra) This is so exciting! You are truly of the phoenix clan, my dear! Rising from the ashes, indeed! |
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21 Dec 10 - 05:02 PM (#3058882) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert No drain is okay but you do need so way of gettin' water out of the basement in case of a leak (water supply line, hot water heater, pressure tank, etc...)... See if the boys will dig out for a 5 gallon bucket so when the pour yer floor it will be like a hole next to a wall... That way you can put a sump pump in later and then if you have a leak the water won't stand in yer basement... A lot easier to do it before you pour concrete than after... B~ |
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21 Dec 10 - 05:11 PM (#3058889) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu Bobert... of course the HAS to be a sump... right m? |
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21 Dec 10 - 05:42 PM (#3058904) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve We understand the concern, Bobert and gnu. We're used to old, leaky basements with drainage problems and sump pumps. In my earlier antique cape, they had poured concrete into the cellar onto the dirt floor, then the old fellow living there then used his hatchet to chop a drainage channel all around the inside perimeter of the hardened concrete. I used a sump pump there. With this project, if we needed a sump pump in the case of a plumbing leak, we'd simply pump it right out the daylight basement doors. A smaller leak could be handled by a shop vac. I'll ask our contractor what the plan is. It will be a little while before the slab is poured, and our foundation and building companies are the best in the area for this kind of ICF super efficient foundation and slab. They know what they're doing, and they'll be glad to explain it to us. |
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21 Dec 10 - 05:47 PM (#3058908) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: mouldy I can't believe I've missed this thread! It's fascinating reading, and so exciting! I've read everything with amazement at how fast the construction is now going. I hope it's going to be "new year, new home"! Andrea |
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21 Dec 10 - 05:50 PM (#3058910) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Welcome to the adventure, Andrea. It's always more fun with so many friends joining the conversation. |
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21 Dec 10 - 05:58 PM (#3058914) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: John MacKenzie maeve didja put up the link to the floor plan that you sent to me? |
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21 Dec 10 - 06:08 PM (#3058921) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve No, John. That is private. We will post any appropriate links, thanks. |
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21 Dec 10 - 06:13 PM (#3058927) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert I didn't realize that you have a walk out... Still best to have a "sump" which is just a hole where the water can collect... I've always just used a 5 gallon drywall bucket and set the top at the same level at the grade stakes so when the floor gets poured it's a clean hole... That way, should you get a leak all ya' gotta do is take a floor squeegee and, waa laa... It done... Also, seein' as the basement of this structure is like a big very tight cereal bowl then should you get a leak then the water ain't goin' anywhere... Poor beardedbruce bought an old school house in New York with flooded basement... Not too sure if he got it pumped out as yet but I gave him some ideas on preventing it from occurring in the future... B~ |
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21 Dec 10 - 06:14 PM (#3058928) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: John MacKenzie That's why I asked :) |
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21 Dec 10 - 06:28 PM (#3058936) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Well, Bobert, I'll let you know what our team tells us. So much has changed in proven yet still innovative efficient building techniques we find that we're always learning as we pursue this project. John, many here are interested in what we're building. Until I have a photo page set up that also protects our privacy to our satisfaction that information must wait. We appreciate that those who have been trusted with more information have protected and respected our privacy, as well as the patience and eagerness with which other friends are awaiting our photos. |
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21 Dec 10 - 06:50 PM (#3058947) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Dan Schatz Maeve, I'm so glad this is finally going forward. May your new home be blessed with love and song, from the foundations right on upward! Dan |
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21 Dec 10 - 07:28 PM (#3058963) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney if the weather was better, you could sing/play as the workers were creating your new home, putting music into the foundations. sandra |
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21 Dec 10 - 07:33 PM (#3058967) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thank you, Dan. That sounds wonderful! News bulletin: The yurt will arrive early on Thursday morning. Must have been caught by some weather. That will buy some time for the floor to take shape. |
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21 Dec 10 - 07:39 PM (#3058971) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Nice idea, Sandra. Funny thing...I haven't been able to sing much for some time. I'm hoping that will change. Friends in the folk chorus I sing with want to make the trip when the yurt is erected and sing some. That will be a welcome and joyful noise. |
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21 Dec 10 - 07:55 PM (#3058986) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL Watching and waiting. It is a fairly dry night here in South Portland. Hope yours is the same. Mary |
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21 Dec 10 - 08:03 PM (#3058994) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Drier than it was, anyway. We have very strong winds here, Sins. We hope it calms down some for tomorrow's support/floor building and for the (rescheduled) Thursday arrival of the yurt. |
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21 Dec 10 - 08:06 PM (#3058998) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu Ahhhh... has the basement floor been poured? I haven't the strength to read back... no sleep much over the past few days. |
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21 Dec 10 - 08:10 PM (#3058999) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve No, sleepy gnu. The insulated slab won't be poured until the yurt floor, and perhaps the yurt itself, is complete. That will allow it to cure correctly. Get some sleep, eh. Someone ought to. |
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22 Dec 10 - 03:14 AM (#3059114) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: VirginiaTam I am half tempted to start another thread (don't want to detract from the real life activities) where we can contribute to kitting out the new house with virtual gifts. Pics of furniture, instruments, knick knacks and pets. |
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22 Dec 10 - 05:15 AM (#3059152) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney maeve, maybe the chorus can sing when you & TL cut the ribbon on your new home! A musical home needs a musical opening. I'll be moving in a couple (or more!) years into a co-operative (a very slooooowly growing community) & expect to have some singing to welcome me into my new home. sandra |
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22 Dec 10 - 05:28 AM (#3059159) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: My guru always said I've managed to catch up with this thread to read your progress and I'm so pleased that you're managing so well despite the rotten weather. Wish I'd been about more but have just started on pain management for my back so life's been a little tricky recently. Sending you & TL warm thoughts, Love & Hugs, Hil xx |
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22 Dec 10 - 08:33 AM (#3059232) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Here's hopin' the winds subside so ya'll can get yer floor down... Plywood get hard to handle in high winds... Turns into a big sail and turns carpenters into tiny boats... Been on the tiny boat end of the equation... lol... B~ |
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22 Dec 10 - 10:40 AM (#3059310) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve The winds gave out during the night, after which steady snow began, and has continued. The last of the floor supports is being fitted. Next: the plywood subfloor, functioning as our floor for a while. Working on an acceptable photo viewing option- soon, I think. |
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22 Dec 10 - 11:04 AM (#3059327) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Hate to be Mister Troublemaker but... ...I hope they don't use chip board for the subflooring... Lotta builders do... It's really not "ply" wood... Glad the winds have died down... B~ |
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22 Dec 10 - 11:09 AM (#3059331) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve It's plywood, Bobert. |
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22 Dec 10 - 11:10 AM (#3059333) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve They are fitting the mudsill now, plywood floor is next. |
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22 Dec 10 - 11:19 AM (#3059345) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Hooray!!! Sorry to question the plywood thing... I'm just a very picky builder and I want ya'll to have the best yurt that has ever been built... |
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22 Dec 10 - 11:23 AM (#3059350) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thanks, Bobert. We're picky too. Got the pile of flooring right outside the window. |
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22 Dec 10 - 12:05 PM (#3059376) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: mouldy Bobert, I wish you lived in the UK! I like picky builders! Maeve, I keep imagining your new home full of lovely textiles. Andrea (Now, if this job was takimg place here in the UK, I would probably have taken shares in a tea company). |
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22 Dec 10 - 12:57 PM (#3059415) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Funny you should mention that, Andrea; we recently agreed we will watch for a really fine Navajo rug to hang in the yurt. Then there will eventually be the quilt or quilts made from fire salvage fabrics blended with special fabrics sent us by various Mudcat friends. I am always on the alert for special textiles. The mudsill is finished on 3/4 of the circumference. |
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23 Dec 10 - 12:07 AM (#3059786) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage I have an antique Navajo rug, but it was used on the floor at my grandmother's home for many years and it is quite worn. The rugs I've put on my walls are from the weavers it is believed Navajos may have picked up some of their weaving skills from, and these are the weavers south of Mexico City in Oaxaca. The rugs are available from weavers online and used to be more affordable but still quite beautiful (this may have changed as more people discover these rugs). I have several I bought when I lived at the border in the early 1980s, picked up in a curio store. The owners traveled to Oaxaca every year or two to buy rugs to bring back to their shop. SRS |
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23 Dec 10 - 01:40 AM (#3059810) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: mouldy Maybe it's just the cold weather and time of year that makes thoughts turn to warm natural fibres and colours.... Andrea |
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23 Dec 10 - 06:59 AM (#3059909) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Waiting for the truck. It should arrive in half an hour. We have lots of snow to clear. |
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23 Dec 10 - 08:16 AM (#3059934) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Still clearing snow and waiting. |
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23 Dec 10 - 08:30 AM (#3059939) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: John MacKenzie C'mon truck :) |
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23 Dec 10 - 08:30 AM (#3059940) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve THE TRUCK IS HERE! 'Scuse me for shouting, please. |
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23 Dec 10 - 08:42 AM (#3059956) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney HOOOOOORAY! sez. sandra, shouting too |
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23 Dec 10 - 08:46 AM (#3059964) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL WHOO WHOO! |
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23 Dec 10 - 09:09 AM (#3059986) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: John MacKenzie Pallet dancing commences. Will it be the Nutcracker? Spaw should be there, to do the dance of the Smelly Bum Fairy. Why do I think, he'd prefer the Wind in the Willows? |
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23 Dec 10 - 09:45 AM (#3060007) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Not here, please, John. Good ole' Spaw has another good thread. This is about our home, you understand? Thanks for the cheers. |
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23 Dec 10 - 09:48 AM (#3060008) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Hope all goes well today, maeve... I won't be checkin' in as I'm driving the P-Vine to Charlottesville for a doctor's appointment... Stay warm, if ya' can... B~ |
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23 Dec 10 - 10:25 AM (#3060024) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Jeri Sheesh, Maeve, calm down please... ... ... ...The flippin' heck with that: THE TRUCK'S THERE, IT'S THERE!!! WOO-HOO!!! |
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23 Dec 10 - 10:33 AM (#3060028) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Dorothy Parshall Calm down, indeed! I know how excited I would be and I rejoice for and with you on this monumental day! There are few better joys at this low end of the year, or any other time, than getting close to a new home. REJOICE ! |
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23 Dec 10 - 12:04 PM (#3060082) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Truck unloaded 4 minutes shy of the 2 hour time limit. Inventory now, and carefully moving the ever-important 6' skylight under cover. |
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23 Dec 10 - 12:45 PM (#3060109) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL So will you spend tonight in your new home? Or am I pushing it? Mary |
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23 Dec 10 - 12:57 PM (#3060122) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Just a bit ahead of things, Mary. What we have is many pallets and crates of carefully crafted puzzle pieces. Our crew finished the subfloor as unloading progressed.We're busy taking care of packing materials before the wind blows them around the farm. There was even an hour or so of hazy sunshine. More later. Maeve |
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23 Dec 10 - 03:37 PM (#3060231) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thanks to those who've dropped in on this thread. It's appreciated, even if I get grumpy... The hardware, doors, trim, and skylight are safe in the shed. We picked up various pieces of packing materials and boards used to secure the skylight and doors. There's a goodly stack of cedar pallets and crate materials, all of which we (and volunteers) can dismember before storing the wood undercover for later use. There will be several large pieces of heavy black plastic, and lots of useful rough lumber. We're impressed with the work our crew accomplished today. They left everything secure, under cover, and clean. They're spent nearly an hour studying our plans and numbering the platform sides to correspond to the wall sections before they called it a day. So Mary- We do have a floor! |
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23 Dec 10 - 03:49 PM (#3060235) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL A little like an Amish barn raising - virtual anyway. Very happy for you, maeve and TL> This has been a long time coming. Mary |
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23 Dec 10 - 04:45 PM (#3060264) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Nancy King Sounds wonderful, maeve! So glad real progress is being made at last. Will the work continue tomorrow, or will there be a hiatus for the holiday? Either way, I hope you and TL will have a good Christmas -- you surely have a lot to celebrate! Nancy |
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23 Dec 10 - 05:33 PM (#3060297) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thanks, Mary and Nancy. The work needs to be done with several days in a row of decent weather, so the next work day would be Monday, if that next storm slips out to sea. Otherwise, Tuesday through Friday looks pretty good for a yurt raising with the building crew. It will be a sea change of a Christmas for a second year; no way to buy and wrap gifts, or cook special family foods, or even decorate a tree or the camper. We miss that part of our Christmas, yet there will be a candlelight service with church friends and a few hours with family. We know the difference between the material things that don't really matter and our celebratory Christmas worship with this year's gift of life and a new home-to-be. We are mindful of many blessings and grateful for friends and generous strangers. Thank you. Maeve |
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23 Dec 10 - 05:41 PM (#3060301) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: My guru always said Wonderful news about the floor and the delivery! All sounds VERY professional and probably has the thumbs-up from Bobert.... |
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23 Dec 10 - 06:27 PM (#3060324) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve On the other hand, the stars are bright in the clear sky, there are multicolored lights at our neighbor's house, and softly glowing outside our camper is the homemade Christmas star we made for the old house. Right here, right now...peace. |
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23 Dec 10 - 07:56 PM (#3060375) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Kinda like the 1st Christmas, maeve... You know, the one in the manger... Glad everything arrived safe and sound and is secure... B~ |
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23 Dec 10 - 10:56 PM (#3060435) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Janie maeve, It is a joy and privelege to be able to follow this. thanks so much for sharing the experience with us. |
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23 Dec 10 - 11:06 PM (#3060439) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Ebbie I would bet that we are *all* following it, Maeve! And grateful for the chance. After so much heartbreak, it warms the heart nicely. |
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24 Dec 10 - 12:27 AM (#3060459) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Dan Schatz The story of Christmas is, in many ways, about a displaced family that found hope and possibility in the the middle of hardship and chaos. I imagine your camper under the stars, and all of the love and hope that is in that small space right now. And I wonder if you'll have a new home by Epiphany - or shortly thereafter. Merry Christmas, Maeve and Truelove. Dan |
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24 Dec 10 - 01:37 AM (#3060474) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing It is so exciting to know your house has arrived and is sitting there like a broody hen all fluffed around her eggs.:-) There may come a time when we'll have to do something like the Potato Peelers Surprise...recognising it may be something entirely different for you, but we do have some experience at this. Maybe there will come a time for when open mike gets her new digs, too.:-) Sleep well and in peace, luvyakat |
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24 Dec 10 - 04:36 AM (#3060525) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney enjoy your christmas together under your star looking at the Milky Way sandra |
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24 Dec 10 - 06:47 AM (#3060563) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve TL gave me his red fire-salvage long sleeve shirt for the rag bag this morning. After tearing it a bit more, some folding, and then tying a strip around the middle, we have a Christmas bow for the camper door! It's lovely to read your kind thoughts. Thank you. |
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24 Dec 10 - 12:21 PM (#3060748) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Allan C. We're watching and waiting, hoping and rejoicing along with you and TL. Best wishes to you both from Carmen and me. |
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24 Dec 10 - 12:58 PM (#3060761) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage That bow on the door sounds perfect! Things are important when we notice them and invest them with importance. Or when we remember that they existed and are no longer available. The continuum in between is where we live, and how we deal with comings and goings. Have a great new year and I know you will both get enormous pleasure from watching the Phoenix house arise from the ashes of the one lost. And please, let us help. Just tell us how! SRS |
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24 Dec 10 - 01:30 PM (#3060777) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: romanyman With all your comings and goings maeve I say a special thank you for the time you have given me, have a very happy christmas, and a bountifull new year. |
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24 Dec 10 - 06:01 PM (#3060873) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: jacqui.c Have a happy and joyful Christmas Maeve and Truelove. Love Jacqui |
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24 Dec 10 - 07:48 PM (#3060905) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Many thanks to you all. Have a peaceful night and a joyful day. We'll keep watching the returning Light. Maeve |
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24 Dec 10 - 10:25 PM (#3060958) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: LilyFestre Maeve, I love the red bow....there's so much packed into that...how very special that is!!! Merry Christmas my friend!!! Much love, Michelle |
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25 Dec 10 - 06:07 PM (#3061264) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thank you, Michelle. This is a very special Christmas for you and your own dear family, I know. Blessings to you all. |
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27 Dec 10 - 10:42 AM (#3061944) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL Thinking of you, maeve. SINS |
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27 Dec 10 - 11:02 AM (#3061953) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Snowing and blowing still. There's no way we can build right away. Too much snow. As I told Bill, the Port-a-potty has drifts inside. The winds are getting much stronger right now. I'm going off line but will check back later. Thank you, Mary. |
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27 Dec 10 - 11:07 AM (#3061958) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Danged!!! I was kinda hopin' to see ya'll inside yer yurt by the end of the week... B~ |
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27 Dec 10 - 11:34 AM (#3061974) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing All in Divine time...sounds trite, but I've always found it is best not to fight such stuff because the Universe will make it happen, esp. if I get out of the way!*bg* I used to tell my kids, who knows what we might be spared from because of some delay, as in traffic, etc. I don't believe there is a Cosmic/Divine reason for every little thing that happens, but sometimes it does seem there could be a reason for something that we will never know. Don't mind me, this morning, maeve. I am mostly reminding myself!**bg** Snow, snow, blow away And don't come back another day! We don't wanna play in your yard And, you keep outta ours. A purty Yurt is here to stay So just you go away! LOL! katsilly |
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27 Dec 10 - 11:40 AM (#3061978) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: kendall Steel is tempered in fire, and mankind by adversity. Some day you will look back and smile. |
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27 Dec 10 - 11:56 AM (#3061992) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve We are smiling now, friends. Things are not easy, but that doesn't mean we are in despair. At least the winds keep the snow blown off of the yurt packages and floor. Offline again, me. M |
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27 Dec 10 - 01:01 PM (#3062024) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: My guru always said Maeve and your Truelove, you are so often in our thoughts at this cold start of your new beginning. Wishing you warmth and sending love and hugs! Hil & Richard xx |
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27 Dec 10 - 02:33 PM (#3062069) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: fat B****rd The warmest thoughts from your friend in Scotland, Maeve. |
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27 Dec 10 - 04:11 PM (#3062137) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Sending warm thoughts from not quite so far away, dear one! |
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27 Dec 10 - 04:16 PM (#3062139) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thanks. |
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28 Dec 10 - 11:59 AM (#3062592) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Against all odds, walls are going up. I had reckoned that no building could be done for quite a while with close to 24" of snow drifted all over into 3 foot drifts and the strong winds continuing throughout today. TL and I rose at 2 AM and headed out to tackle the drifts in case the crew showed up to work. Six hours of shoveling and snow blowing later, the crew arrived and began shoveling off what snow remained on the floor and around the wall stacks. TL got out the tractor and cleared some off-road parking. We don't have chains for the tires, so it takes careful maneuvering to not get stuck on the slick areas. I had to head inside to get warm and dry; difficult in the present situation. Looking out the camper window, I see 9 sections up (about 1/4 of the circle) and braced on the windward side. That area can block the wind, allowing them to get the rest in place, leveled, and nailed in with less chance of frostbite. We'll have a lovely view out the Northwesterly bedroom. |
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28 Dec 10 - 12:26 PM (#3062613) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: ClaireBear Oh Maeve, how lovely to know that your walls against the wind are going up at last! Profound congratulations. Soon. |
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28 Dec 10 - 12:28 PM (#3062617) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Hooray!!! |
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28 Dec 10 - 12:51 PM (#3062637) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage I'm astonished at the toughness of your work crews up there. Any snow would be an insurmountable obstacle for crews in Texas. SRS |
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28 Dec 10 - 12:58 PM (#3062648) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu Great news. I hope it goes smoothly and quickly and that Mom Nature keeps her distance until the heat is on. |
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28 Dec 10 - 01:07 PM (#3062656) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Leadfingers Great news that they CAN start building despite the weather ! |
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28 Dec 10 - 01:13 PM (#3062660) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Jeri I'll bet those guys know how important the house is to you, plus they don't get paid if they don't work. Good, anyway you slice it! |
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28 Dec 10 - 01:20 PM (#3062666) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Dorothy Parshall Maeve: That is totally exciting and wonderful and marvellous and..... Such determination must be rewarded! I'll bet you planned that view out the BR window. I am soooooo happy for you! |
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28 Dec 10 - 01:24 PM (#3062670) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve You don't suppose the snow drifts in the privy influenced them at all? Thanks, friends. |
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28 Dec 10 - 01:30 PM (#3062673) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing Hoo-Ray!!! They build 'em tough oop dar! |
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28 Dec 10 - 02:50 PM (#3062722) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: mouldy Ye gods! You wouldn't get the Brits doing that! Wonderful news! Andrea |
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28 Dec 10 - 02:56 PM (#3062727) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu Them there lads ARE "Brits". Just a bit of tea in the difference. |
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28 Dec 10 - 02:57 PM (#3062728) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Nancy King Excellent! Give the crew an extra thank-you from all of your Mudcat friends! |
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28 Dec 10 - 03:07 PM (#3062733) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Four wall sections remaining. They will be all in place before dark. Maeve |
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28 Dec 10 - 03:09 PM (#3062735) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu GREAT! Terry must be having ISP problems. |
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28 Dec 10 - 03:10 PM (#3062737) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Naw, I just aimed well. |
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28 Dec 10 - 03:42 PM (#3062754) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing LOL! Up before dark! WOW!!! |
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28 Dec 10 - 03:47 PM (#3062758) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL The wind is still wild here. I am amazed they can work in it. What a temptation to sleep under your new roof tonight, Maeve? More good news. Congratulations, Mary |
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28 Dec 10 - 04:00 PM (#3062780) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve As of 4:45 PM the circle of walls is complete. The last of the crew is leaving. The neighbor who made the emergency call the night of the fire was witness as the last door section slid into place; a perfect fit. Sins, it would be mighty cold in there tonight, although the stars will be brilliant looking up into the night sky. Tomorrow the crane will be here, and after the temporary brace is built to hold the skylight ring, the roof sections will be raised and fitted into place. Thank you, for your enthusiasm. |
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28 Dec 10 - 04:13 PM (#3062790) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve By the way...I mentioned to our crew that some of our friends around the world were astonished they could work in today's snow, cold, and wind. He laughed, saying, "Around here, we'd never make any money if we didn't!" I've rolled up six or so huge rolls of heavy plastic. TL and I are going out again for a quiet look at our new home. |
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28 Dec 10 - 04:17 PM (#3062794) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing What a way to end the year! How neat that your neighbour was witness. |
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28 Dec 10 - 04:37 PM (#3062807) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Dorothy Parshall A friend once gave me a haiku: "When my house burned down, I was able to see the moon." While you surely can, and I hope you can see it now (as it rises - I'm not even going out there to see where it is!) through the non-roof of your impending new home. Having warm shelter certainly trumps seeing the moon on a night as we shall have tonight. 23 at present here in almost downtown Montreal. I reckon it will be cooler in the country. Congratulations on such tremendous progress and your ability to deal with conditions that would overwhelm many. "Anything that doesn't kill you outright, makes you stronger." Piet Hein, and others |
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28 Dec 10 - 07:02 PM (#3062915) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney wonderful news |
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28 Dec 10 - 07:19 PM (#3062933) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: jacqui.c What wonderful news! I'm looking forward to getting to visit with you before too long to see all the progress that has been made. |
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28 Dec 10 - 07:29 PM (#3062942) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL All misty here, Maeve and TL. A long time coming. Enjoy~ Mary |
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28 Dec 10 - 07:56 PM (#3062957) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu If it was clear sky and I was there, I would dearly love to sit in a chair, in the middle of the yurt, and raise a jar, to the stars. |
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28 Dec 10 - 08:07 PM (#3062961) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thank you, everyone. Gnu- Yes. That would be good. |
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28 Dec 10 - 08:53 PM (#3062983) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Janie Speechless and a-shiver with vicarious excitement! |
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28 Dec 10 - 09:03 PM (#3062989) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: LilyFestre MAEVE!!!!!!! I am SO excited for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I could be there to see your new house but also the smile on your face!!! YAY!!! *********HAPPY DANCE************ Much love, Michelle |
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28 Dec 10 - 09:13 PM (#3062992) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Cuilionn A charm for yurt-raising: (To be whispered while workers toil and cranes dance) Rise, rise, like warm bread for baking, Rise, rise, like a star in the sky-- Walls against wind and a roof in the making; Shelter of peace with our dreams resting nigh. (Blessed Be!) --Cuilionn |
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28 Dec 10 - 10:00 PM (#3063016) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing Perfect, Cuilionn...very lovely elements. maeve & TL, we are so happy for you. Rog and I send our best. |
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29 Dec 10 - 07:44 AM (#3063197) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Cuilionn (Not as eloquent as Jeri's, but charms require a certain compression of speech and intention.) :-) --Cuilionn |
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29 Dec 10 - 08:16 AM (#3063208) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thanks for poetry and hallelujahs. The builders are building the temporary brace for the skylight ring. When the crane arrives work will begin on the roof segments and skylight. It will be a wee while before we can actually move in. There are interior wall partitions to build, three doors to install, spray foam insulation, wall insulation, wallboard, plastering, plumbing, and wiring to do. The woodstove for heating and cooking must be installed properly. We own a toilet but not a bathroom or kitchen sink, shower, bed, etc. |
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29 Dec 10 - 08:43 AM (#3063218) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Life's a cinch Inch by inch Life is hard yard by yard Inchin' yer way there, maeve... I'd love to be there with my tool belt to help... B~ |
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29 Dec 10 - 09:55 AM (#3063234) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: My guru always said Just wonderful!!! Positive thoughts still coming from across the pond at Old Keepers xx |
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29 Dec 10 - 10:52 AM (#3063259) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve They've built the "crow's nest" to correctly position the skylight ring into which the rafters will bolt. The first rafter is going up right now. |
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29 Dec 10 - 01:07 PM (#3063317) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: mouldy It's a blur of activity! Can't wait to hear you're "topping out". Don't forget to toast the new home when you do. Andrea |
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29 Dec 10 - 02:15 PM (#3063348) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing Wonder who will have first footing?!:-) |
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29 Dec 10 - 06:04 PM (#3063466) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney those workmen are the best! |
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29 Dec 10 - 06:55 PM (#3063494) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve They worked on rafters all day. Those beams are big and heavy! With the skilled assistance from the crane operator, they got all of them in their appointed slots and fastened. Tomorrow is devoted to the roofing panels. We're exhausted! |
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30 Dec 10 - 05:07 AM (#3063676) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: My guru always said Wonderful! Hope you're able to catch some zzz's, though it must be almost impossible with all this excitement going on. Though there's a lot of work yet to be done, your new home is growing! We're off away for a few days with no access, so I wish you and your Truelove a VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! Love & Hugs, Hil xx |
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30 Dec 10 - 06:26 AM (#3063703) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: VirginiaTam Echoing the statements of excitement on this thread. Feels like Christmas. Can't wait for the online photo album of progress. No pressure, Maeve. Just another part of the project to look forward too. I like looking forward. My head is usually screwed on backwards these days. |
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30 Dec 10 - 07:36 AM (#3063725) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Leadfingers Roof TODAY !!!! |
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30 Dec 10 - 09:56 AM (#3063767) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: AllisonA(Animaterra) This is so exciting!!! |
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30 Dec 10 - 11:03 AM (#3063812) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing Heave ho, raise 'em up high boys! Or..something like that...we could all raise the rafters with a set time "Sing" round the world. Hmmm...maybe we should set up a time to do something like that for Spaw. G'morning, maeve and TL! |
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30 Dec 10 - 11:09 AM (#3063814) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Little sleep here. The morning began before dawn, with our several-times-daily clean-up patrol to clear the site and surrounding area of debris, plastic, metal strapping, excess lumber, cardboard, etc. The building crew began by double checking rafter hardware. Since then, they've been slowly working with the cable that counters the outward pressure of the walls and rafters. We've been working inside, dealing with the camper door that wouldn't close due to ice, and regaining some order inside. Everything depends on the cable being threaded through and correctly tightened. After that it will be time for the roofing panels. |
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30 Dec 10 - 11:10 AM (#3063817) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage I swear, this morning my dogs were asking about this project. They were out in the yard, and I heard "roof! roof!" :-) It's a remarkable process. SRS |
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30 Dec 10 - 11:26 AM (#3063833) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu SRS.... heheheee |
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30 Dec 10 - 12:33 PM (#3063890) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL And you guys were going to do it yourself????? YIKES |
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30 Dec 10 - 01:01 PM (#3063917) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Actually Sins, we were never going to do this ourselves. We were going to hire a builder to supervise a group of trained carpenter volunteers...when we were planning on one less than 1/3 the size of this. When we decided on this model we needed a forklift and crane; thus we had an opportunity to let the ripples include this crew. After our project is complete we'll have made it possible for the whole crew to learn how to assemble this kind of yurt; qualifying them for recommendations from us and from the company when anyone in this part of Maine buys one of these kits. The next yurt kit customer in the area will benefit. |
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31 Dec 10 - 02:52 PM (#3064605) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve The last roof section went on just at noon. TL and I went inside to admire the beautiful Western Red Cedar ceiling and Douglas Fir rafters. A visitor who knows of our fire stopped in to admire the yurt. "This will be a happy home," he opined. They're all topside right now, patiently foaming each of the roof section joints. Next the long edges of roof underlayment will be slipped under, as shingles are woven in and fastened all the way up each seam. That will likely not be finished until after the New Year's holiday. Rain is coming in on Sunday. We have a roof. |
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31 Dec 10 - 03:10 PM (#3064613) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu A roof. Nice. Happy New Year. |
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31 Dec 10 - 03:49 PM (#3064637) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: kendall More pix! |
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31 Dec 10 - 04:56 PM (#3064660) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve I'm working on a photo page, Kendall. You'll have to make due with word pictures for now. :) |
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31 Dec 10 - 05:24 PM (#3064668) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Jeri The smell of the roof would be driving me nuts right now. My guitar's face is red cedar. Where I grew up, there was a cedar tree right outside the front door that lived with a hemlock and some other trees that shaded and sheltered a little hideaway where jack-in-the-pulpit grew. Of course, there are probably other smells right now, but the cedar would drive me nuts. I look forward to seeing the roof, whenever that happens. |
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31 Dec 10 - 05:46 PM (#3064673) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert A very fitting beginning for the new year... Hooray!!! B~ |
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31 Dec 10 - 05:48 PM (#3064674) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve I meant "make do" of course :) Jeri- Yes, it smells good; clean and sweet, with a woodsy kick to it. You'll love it. It's quite a welcome change from the dead fire smell. |
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31 Dec 10 - 05:50 PM (#3064679) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thank you, Bobert. We can't move in yet, but we can enjoy the beautiful ceiling. |
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31 Dec 10 - 06:27 PM (#3064693) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Nancy King Sounds wonderful, Maeve! Things seem to be going your way at last! 2011 is bound to be better than 2010 for you! |
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31 Dec 10 - 08:26 PM (#3064755) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney We can't move in yet, but we can enjoy the beautiful ceiling. =============== perfect spot for a picnic lunch in the forest! walls & roof - you have the shape of a home, now it only needs to be finished & filled. sandra |
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31 Dec 10 - 09:30 PM (#3064785) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage Second try: I hope you'll think of some suitable ceremony for in the new structure to bring in the new year. It'll be a remarkable time, and think of the possibilities in this space. (I'm not saying what ceremony, and we don't need a report, but it seems like a great way to make the building more your own on a cosmic level.) SRS |
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31 Dec 10 - 09:40 PM (#3064790) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Crowhugger The roof on, wow! Such wonderful news Maeve, a big step. And now I'm breathing deeply, basking in the imaginary wood aromas from your beautiful new rafters. Doing a virtual monkey-swing through them too. |
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01 Jan 11 - 03:46 AM (#3064868) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thanks...Yes the roof is on, just in time...It's raining! It was expected on Sunday not Saturday. I just went out to pull plastic and tarps over the various stacks and piles of lumber and packing materials. Happy New Year to y'all. |
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01 Jan 11 - 08:08 AM (#3064944) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Ya'll up either real late or real early, maeve, but no matter... Just nice to be under roof, isn't it... Do ya'll have a propane heater so ya can spend any time in it without freezin'??? B~ |
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01 Jan 11 - 08:12 AM (#3064946) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: jacqui.c Happy New Year to you both me dears. So glad you got the roof on before the rain started. |
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01 Jan 11 - 08:14 AM (#3064948) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Up early, covering the salvage wood from the early morning rain. We're still in the camper, Bobert. We have no way to move in to the yurt until the skylight, doors, and wall insulation are in and the woodstove installed. I'm hoping for plumbing and electricity; we'll see what is possible. And no, we don't have a portable heater. |
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01 Jan 11 - 08:15 AM (#3064949) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve We cross posted, Jacqui. Thanks. Happy New Year to yourself and Himself, too. |
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01 Jan 11 - 09:45 AM (#3064983) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Leadfingers Indeed !! Happy New Yurt Greetings !! |
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01 Jan 11 - 10:06 AM (#3064996) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Well, the portable heaters wouldn't do much good until you are enclosed (doors, skylights, windows, etc.)... I have two of them that have two round burners and sit on top of a 30 pound propane cylinder... They aren't real expensive to buy and run and do a purdy good job... Once you get enclosed I'd think that one unit would make things comfy... Wish I could beam them up to you.... Heck, wish I could beam myself up, too... I enjoy gerry-riggin' temporary electrical stuff (safely) while doing the rest of the wiring to code... Nuthin' like havin' real electricical... Get some rest... Ya'll deserve it... B~ |
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01 Jan 11 - 10:18 AM (#3065001) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: GUEST,kendall Can you use a small electric heater? He does a good job in our camper. (According to Gordon) |
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01 Jan 11 - 11:12 AM (#3065019) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Windows are pre-installed in the wall panels. We've closed off the doorways to make use of the passive solar heat. The skylight hole is covered, until the skylight itself is installed and the roof seams shingled. Thanks, but no on the heater, Kendall. More later. There is work waiting for me. |
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01 Jan 11 - 12:14 PM (#3065046) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing What a busy and fruitful this New Year is for you, maeve and TL! It is so exciting and heart-lifting to read of it all coming together. Happy New Year!! |
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03 Jan 11 - 05:22 PM (#3066520) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu So... did you get snow? Were the lads back today or did they have the day off? |
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03 Jan 11 - 08:39 PM (#3066651) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney enquiring minds want to know! |
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04 Jan 11 - 02:46 AM (#3066783) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: My guru always said Sending Yurt Blessings! |
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04 Jan 11 - 07:32 AM (#3066903) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve I didn't take time to post yesterday,partly because I'm tired and working hard, but also because so many of surrounding threads were negative. I just didn't want to be in their midst. This thread is likely to reflect the hurry-up-and-wait nature of our construction project; many posts rushing onto the thread, followed by some contemplative space. The roof is ready for the skylight,with much less wind to deal with today and tomorrow. Most of the roof joints have been sealed and shingled. One door will be framed in and hung. The hay mulch will be cleared from the basement where, over a sheet of plastic, it has kept the ground and top layer of crushed stone from freezing. The insulated concrete slab will be poured, weather permitting, in the next week or so. I'll spread the hay over and around the hundreds of potted perennials and shrubs now lined up in the big vegetable garden. I've already followed Bobert's suggestion to use vole repellent there. We have no way to water them, so the hay mulch will help retain sufficient amounts of moisture without allowing too much to accumulate within the pots. |
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04 Jan 11 - 10:14 AM (#3066993) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage Hay is a great by-product of this construction project! I use it for mulch, sometimes straight from the feed store, and always when it has come out of the dog houses. (There's a lot of hair in it that birds make use of. I found several nests in the front yard last year with the long guard hairs from my catahoula woven into the grasses and pine needles and such). How will they get concrete into the basement? Is there a doorway they will use, or will they lift a floor panel? Inquiring minds are enjoying observing this process from afar! SRS |
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04 Jan 11 - 10:22 AM (#3067001) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Basement windows have not yet been installed, so they'll lift the temporary plywood cover from the closest one and run the chute through there. The lucky fellows who specialize in insulated slab pouring will be down below getting the concrete to do as it's told. Afterward, the super-insulated yurt foundation as well as the yurt itself will hold plenty of heat for proper curing to take place. |
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04 Jan 11 - 01:31 PM (#3067122) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve The roofing is complete, ready for the skylight, The temporary skylight ring brace has been collapsed and disassembled. All of the hay and plastic sheeting is gone from the basement, ready for a heater to dry it out in preparation for the Ceremonial Pouring of the Sanctified Insulated Slab. I've begun using the dry, loose hay to protect the perennials, shrubs, and trees I mentioned. Some are nursery stock; others are for our new plantings in the spring and summer. |
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04 Jan 11 - 01:59 PM (#3067136) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu They've hung up yer shingles! Great! SRS... `... with the long guard hairs from my catahoula woven into the grasses and pine needles and such`` The dog must be annoyed with the cheeky blighters. |
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04 Jan 11 - 04:20 PM (#3067236) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage This dog sheds gobs in the spring. Here is a nest, the fuzzy part is dog. If there is extra hay, use a tiller and work it into the garden soil. The biological activity will benefit from it. SRS |
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04 Jan 11 - 04:23 PM (#3067241) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve The skylight is in place and sealed. Some touch-up paint on the rim and removal of the protective plastic, and doors will be tomorrow. Maybe the bathroom walls too; the only interior walls to be built for now. |
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04 Jan 11 - 04:39 PM (#3067250) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Hay there, Stilly. In all of our years of gardening here I have never had extra hay. We've used it for soil building, land stabilization, plateau building, mulch, house banking, no-till gardens, veggie storage, raised beds, compost... you get the idea. We build the soil, plant, mulch, harvest, replant, mulch, etc. Even the raised garden along the road was built solely from hay bales, discarded potting soil, and tired sod from other places. By now, there are very few gardens here that need tilling. On the other hand, nearly every garden and outbuilding will be changed or moved now that the house is gone and our new one built. |
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04 Jan 11 - 04:47 PM (#3067254) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage I have beds like that also. You may be tempted to move the soil from the old locations to the new when you rearrange your out buildings, but healthy soil all around is good for everything in the proximity. Have you chosen home interior materials for their healthy character? Paints without fumes, insulation without formaldehyde, healthy adhesives for flooring, etc? It seems to me we nuke ourselves in our own homes with some of the materials. SRS |
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04 Jan 11 - 04:53 PM (#3067256) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Of course, Stilly. We've lived in a healthy way for many years. We know what we want and what we can afford. We'll be living in an very healthy insulated shell for a long time hence. |
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04 Jan 11 - 05:05 PM (#3067265) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage As those stages come along, I'll look forward to the list of products or processes. I have stuff in my garage I need to take to the toxic drop off site, and eventually need to get some new paint, etc. I think the non-toxic paints weren't as available, or available at all (here) in 2002 when I started this work. Now as things come along to redo, I want to do it better. SRS |
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04 Jan 11 - 05:10 PM (#3067267) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve I may or may not go into that detail here. As I said, finishing the yurt will take a very long time. I don't intend to continue this thread indefinitely, since I'll be busy working. If I make a list of products we like I'll be glad to send you a copy. The fact is, we use very few commercial products. |
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04 Jan 11 - 05:26 PM (#3067278) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Returning to the yurt... We're hoping the doors will all be installed tomorrow for sure, since another storm is on the way for the weekend. That will leave the bathroom walls, basement slab, and basement windows and doors to be installed. After that, we're on our own installing exterior trim, as weather allows. We'll have the super efficient woodstove set up and insulated pipe run through the roof. TL has already built a raised base for the woodstove, so it's now my job to pick up the fireproof layer and tile it over. The woodstove will provide our heat and serve as our cookstove for the winter. Once the basic wiring and plumbing are in and working, the cellulose insulation will be blown into the walls, and a vapor barrier added. |
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04 Jan 11 - 05:34 PM (#3067284) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert I'm excited fir ya'll, maeve... Ya'll will be so happy to have a tight yurt to hang out in... Don't make it so tight that ya' can't get yer woodstove to burn... BTW, when you say "hay", do you mean "straw"??? Hay has alot seed which make alot of weed... Hope you mean straw... B~ |
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04 Jan 11 - 05:41 PM (#3067295) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing Hope we get to have a virtual move in day party! |
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04 Jan 11 - 05:51 PM (#3067301) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Nancy King It all sounds wonderful, maeve, and absolutely fascinating to follow the progress! Thanks for keeping us all in the loop! |
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04 Jan 11 - 09:49 PM (#3067438) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Bobert- I'd love to be able to pay for straw. We use hay; usually someone else's free old winter house banking. Straw would be much better, but it isn't in the budget. The woodstove has a cold air inlet, so we're all set once the thing is installed. If it didn't we'd have to open a window. kat- You are welcome to celebrate as you wish. We will, for the most part, still be rough camping even after we move in, whenever that may be. I hope we have many sunny days so the passive solar gain overpowers the lack of good dry firewood. I suspect I'll soon be tired of seeing insulation on walls instead of plaster, but we'll be grateful for them nonetheless. Nancy- Thanks for being interested. I confess the process is still less exciting for us than it is for others; we know we're still a long way from being home. We did tried out the acoustics and loved the sound. Even without wallboard, inner walls, or echo-softening textiles, it is glorious. It is a joyful and holy space for us. |
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04 Jan 11 - 10:53 PM (#3067468) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Janie Clearly, constructing a yurt is in many ways as with any other house. The exterior walls, floor and roof go up like "Bob's yer uncle!", and the interior work goes on....and on....and on. Still, a significant "new beginning," though that is not quite the right way to describe it. It represents moving forward along a different route than first plotted toward the fruition of a long envisioned dream. As with Nancy, I also really appreciate you sharing this journey with us. Most of us who are posting are a good bit older than you and TL. I think we have a better appreciation than you may realize of your situation and the hard work still ahead. I hope you will understand the excitement and enthusiasm we express as being the only way we know to offer support digitally, since we can't show up for a "barn raising." Please do not misapprehend that as a lack of comprehension. Hear it as admiration and support for the choices you are making to live a life committed to your core values, even when doing that makes the present harder than choosing an easier, softer way. My inner mother-hen just wants you to find a way to be able to get warm and stay that way when you need to:>) |
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04 Jan 11 - 10:54 PM (#3067469) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing I understand, maeve. When we lived out on the WY wee prairie ranch, we had to haul our water from town, about 15 miles out. Quite an adventure in the winter as we had a 225 gal tank on a trailer hauled by our trusty 4WD Subaru. The last year we were there, they were putting in water lines and cut the gas lines, so we had no heat but a cheap woodstove from Monkey Wards. We put it in the kitchen, lined up with the long hall which led past the bathroom, the kids' rooms, past the front door and into our bedroom, farthest from the heat source. We banked it up every night, but by morning, on the WY high plains, it was always really cold and windy. No insulation, cinder block walls and open ceiling boards. We look back and think we must've been crazy, but we were just young and the kids loved it. It was built into the side of a hill with windows all the way round with a flat roof just waiting for a second story or something to be added on. We never could afford it. Last time we were up there, it was the same. I wonder do they make rectangular yurts?**bg** I love that is a sacred place for you and you've already tried out the acoustics! |
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04 Jan 11 - 11:12 PM (#3067474) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Janie and kat- Thanks for your posts, too. I suspect we're not quite so young as some may be thinking; chronologically, anyway! Certainly there are those here who have life experiences that allow them a clear understanding of some of the challenges. I am happy for friends to be excited on our behalf. I trust that our response can and will be different, though still joyful. Some friends and friendly strangers in realtime life are disappointed to find that with this beautiful start of a yurt in place we can't now sweep in to finish and furnish it right away. Thus I try to remember to offer a gentle warning that won't be quite such a fairytale... Nor do we want it to be. Remember please, y'all: we are hopeful, joyful, and grateful for all kindnesses and thoughtful messages, even when my posts reflect some of the other emotions and challenges. This kind of thread is very difficult for us. We are private people who are long accustomed to being mostly on our own. Growth opportunity here, so sometimes we have growing pains, while other times we will establish healthy boundaries. Thanks for walking alongside! |
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05 Jan 11 - 06:19 AM (#3067600) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney I thank you for letting us be part of it sandra |
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05 Jan 11 - 07:40 AM (#3067664) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: jacqui.c Looking forward to coming up to visit when we get back from Florida. |
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05 Jan 11 - 07:44 AM (#3067666) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve We'll be happy to see you then, Jacqui. I hope it's warmer there than it is here! |
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05 Jan 11 - 08:10 AM (#3067683) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL Wish I had a lottery ticket - a winning one. Then we could all update, refurnish and heat with abandon or at least without checking the bank statements daily. Thank you for letting us ride along, maeve and TL. SINS |
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05 Jan 11 - 08:25 AM (#3067692) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Reminds me of the old saying, "No gains without pain"... But there is also a beauty in it as ya'll will be building your own house and living in it before it is finished... It makes it all that much more of value to you on a spiritual level as well as a dwelling level... When we bought this farm the entire house needed renovation and addin' on to and we slept on an air mattress for a year while we were doing it... Wouldn't trade those memories for anything... Thanks again for sharing, maeve... B~ |
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05 Jan 11 - 02:30 PM (#3067890) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Yes, we'll keep on plugging. Stilly, I thought of you this morning as I was researching a wall finish some of the yurt owners have liked. Here you go: http://www.americanclay.com/learn-about-american-clay/loma The two yurt doors are in. They are fine, Energystar certified doors; just not special. They'll work until we build or have built what we want. The bathroom partitions have been built. The reserved cedar siding has been added over and beneath each door. |
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05 Jan 11 - 02:39 PM (#3067898) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: LilyFestre Quietly watching from the sidelines and feeling a deep joy for you both!!! :) Michelle |
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05 Jan 11 - 02:56 PM (#3067911) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: ClaireBear What Michelle said (far more eloquently than I can). 34.5 degrees in the tent this morning ... so of course, I thought of you! Fond thoughts, Claire |
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05 Jan 11 - 03:14 PM (#3067925) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: mouldy "If a job's worth doing, it's worth doing well". These things can't be rushed, (despite what seems to my amazed brain to be a speedy procedure).I think the very nature of the yurt through evolution and materials is organic, and it will dictate its own pace. I just wish I had smellyvision on the computer so that I could share in the cedarwood. Andrea |
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05 Jan 11 - 03:36 PM (#3067941) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing That roll on plaster is pretty slick! Neat VIDEO . Thanks for the info, maeve. |
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06 Jan 11 - 01:05 PM (#3068616) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Another cold night here; 2F/-17C. It's good to have the doors installed, although the glaring white of the primer coast is a mite unsettling. The beautiful skylight changes the acoustics dramatically; not badly, just different. We'll have a work slow down now. We hope we can have the electric cable and meter installed tomorrow. Beyond that, woodstove installation, plumbing, electric wiring, wall insulation, etc. will have to wait until we see what is possible. We have the job of overlapping the underlayment that closes the gap at the wall joints, applying the special seam tape, attaching the insect blocks, and attaching the exterior trim and fascia boards. The latter must be trimmed to fit but we haven't any way to do that nor do we have scaffolding or an appropriate ladder, so we'll have to find a way to manage. After all that we have tinted caulking to apply. Lots of things to figure out. |
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06 Jan 11 - 03:51 PM (#3068725) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu I have lathe and plaster in my house. It sucks. Might be fine in Calleeforneeah but up here in the Great White Freeze-Thaw North, it sucks. Every time I do my back exercises I see the cracks and wonder why they used plaster when gypsum board was available, easier, cheaper and easily repaired or altered in future. Not one crack in Mum's house next door... 3/8ths GB. |
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06 Jan 11 - 04:56 PM (#3068767) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Funny typo, "primer coast". You don't suppose I meant "primer coat"? |
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06 Jan 11 - 05:18 PM (#3068782) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Gn-ze... You can use 1/4 inch wallboard right over the plaster... Glue and screw it with 1 5/8 inch course black drywall nails, tape and mud and presto!!! Real walls and with no cracks... Trust me, it works great and is cheap... Like $6 a board (4 X 8)... Sometimes under $6... No removing plaster... Very fast... Very nice... B~ |
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06 Jan 11 - 08:15 PM (#3068901) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage Fingers crossed the stove installation comes soon - that will allow for not only comfort, but hot water. Such a luxury! |
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06 Jan 11 - 09:27 PM (#3068953) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu Bobert... that's fine if you HAVE to do so. But, my comment is that maeve should not have to fix cracks in the future. Maeve... to what surfaces will you be applying this clay? |
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06 Jan 11 - 11:13 PM (#3069015) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing Ain't it great to have a bunch of avuncular friends, maeve?**BG** |
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06 Jan 11 - 11:46 PM (#3069037) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Janie 5 years ago I could use avuncular in a sentence. Today, I have to go back to kat's post twice to be sure of the spelling, and now I gotta go google the definition. |
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07 Jan 11 - 12:25 AM (#3069046) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage You're part of the avauntular crew, Janie. :) My mother's house in Washington State had plaster (it was built in the 1920s) and because the walls were so thick it stayed cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter. That clay on the walls looks interesting. I have a form of custom paneling that the folks who built this house put in in 1976; the "picture frame" pattern is classic and one of these days I may get up the nerve to paint it. It is beautiful as wood paneling goes, but with so much wood in such a large room it is quite dark all of the time. Good luck making the choices on this! SRS |
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07 Jan 11 - 03:03 AM (#3069077) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve It's good to have friends of all sorts. :) Gnu- "to what surfaces will you be applying this clay?" If we use it, it would be on wallboard, gnu. In addition, it would be months from now. |
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07 Jan 11 - 03:45 AM (#3069086) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing Well, I know it leaves out a whole gender, but it's such a cool word and I *think* I spelled it correctly, didn't I?:-) So, what's the female equivalent??? |
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07 Jan 11 - 03:50 AM (#3069089) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Regarding 'avuncular', avauntular', and such... http://www.funtrivia.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/270735 |
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07 Jan 11 - 05:49 AM (#3069127) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Janie You spell just fine, Kat. And it is a neat word. I was poking fun at myself for going blank on what it meant. |
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07 Jan 11 - 06:17 AM (#3069141) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: My guru always said Hope you're catching your breath now Maeve!! |
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07 Jan 11 - 08:31 AM (#3069194) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Temperature this morning is -2F/-19C. |
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07 Jan 11 - 08:43 AM (#3069200) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney I hope you're wrapped in lotsa' warm stuff! |
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07 Jan 11 - 08:50 AM (#3069204) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Yes thanks, Sandra. We wear coats/hats/layers/warm socks/gloves, etc. Still cold, especially the floor, with ice on the inside of the door. |
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07 Jan 11 - 09:12 AM (#3069212) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Brrrrrrrrrr!!! Cold as a step-mother's kiss here, as well, maeve... Not that cold, tho... 22F... Hope ya'll get that stove crankin' soon... B~ |
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07 Jan 11 - 09:20 AM (#3069218) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve The stove will be good when we can afford stovepipe and installation. We'll see what can happen and when. It would help us to be warm, to have water, etc. Thanks. |
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07 Jan 11 - 03:33 PM (#3069439) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu "Gnu- "to what surfaces will you be applying this clay?" If we use it, it would be on wallboard, gnu. In addition, it would be months from now." Oh... so it must be cheaper than paint. That will help pay for the flue. |
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07 Jan 11 - 04:02 PM (#3069457) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Wouldn't that be convenient! If only things worked that way. |
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07 Jan 11 - 04:17 PM (#3069469) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing You spell just fine, Kat...maybe not, Janie. If I could, I'd spell up a toasty warm stove and whatever else maeve needs to warm up!:-) |
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07 Jan 11 - 05:52 PM (#3069517) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: GUEST,mg Is it possibble to get stovepipe from freecycle? It seems that it is the sort of thing people hang onto thinking someone would need it some day. mg |
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08 Jan 11 - 01:22 PM (#3069941) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu Seems very unlikely since it is so expensive but it's worth a shot. How much do you need marve? Last time I priced it I was shocked. The stove I had was a 6" so I bought 6" and 8" pipe and used screws as spacers. It was a heck of a job involving a LOT of swearing and took quite a while but it met code... of course, it was in a camp and I wouldn't recommend it in a home. BTW, if anyone does what I did and, use regular screws and a drill. If you use self-tapping screws, grind the bit after you start the screw.... or be REALLY careful. |
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08 Jan 11 - 02:16 PM (#3069981) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thanks, friends. Having lost our home to a fire we will, naturally, use only recommended new materials and a professional stove set-up. You're right, gnu; both insulated pipe is costly. We'll take care of it as soon as we can. I'm sure you all understand I won't be discussing finances here. We are responsible for closing off the wall seams, some expanding foam insulation, and all external trim before the crew does anything more. |
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08 Jan 11 - 04:13 PM (#3070086) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Sorry- I meant to say, "both insulated pipe and the roof set-up are costly." It has been encouraging to hear from others in the area regarding the look of our yurt. So far, they seem to understand the combination of beauty and efficiency that makes this design a good choice.The framing for the bathroom also helps me visualize how the rest of the room partitions will look when we eventually build them. |
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09 Jan 11 - 06:17 AM (#3070431) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Allan C. Maeve, whenever I picture your new home I am reminded of an experience I had a few years ago that you may find of interest: Singing in a dome |
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09 Jan 11 - 10:08 AM (#3070539) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thank you, Allan. That was a fun read! I hope our new home will be a good place for joyful noise. I've certainly enjoyed our sound tests. |
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09 Jan 11 - 12:35 PM (#3070633) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage Are you going wait on electricians until the interior walls are framed, or will there be a couple of stages of electrical work? I'm thinking of some of those out of the way places where plugs can be really handy but that may not appear on your plans since this is prefab, but would be really useful. Three years ago I had a windfall that I dedicated to having some junction boxes installed or moved. In the hall, on the front porch, and in the front room ceiling for a fan and light. They tapped into existing lines, but ideally these things are all put in place before the wall board and ceiling goes up. In my office they installed a double size box on the wall I thought I'd use for the computer. Four plugs in one spot. I've since moved the computer, but those four plugs are on the wall where I now have the sound system and I make use of all of them. SRS |
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09 Jan 11 - 12:50 PM (#3070640) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve All of this is to be done in stages, Stilly. If we proceed with our plan to use blown cellulose insulation, we need to have the exterior wall wiring done first. Changing or adding on will be a misery otherwise. Since the bathroom partition walls are the only interior walls we can afford right now, the exterior wall wiring is all we're planning on at the moment. Interior wall wiring can be easily done from the basement whenever we're ready for it. |
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09 Jan 11 - 02:38 PM (#3070701) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve I tell you what: those friendly folks who'd enjoy posting ideas for what you love about your kitchen set-up or you wish you had, post it here. If nothing else, it will entertain us all until the next stage of yurt building is ready to post. It may help me design the perfect yurt kitchen. The kitchen will be part of the open half of the yurt. It will have an entry to a walled pantry on one side, and the wood stove for this winter's cooking and for heat on the other side of the kitchen space. We plan an island with a seating area and the kitchen sink will be there, facing into the open area. We both enjoy cooking, and I especially like to bake. We're looking for excellent storage, with everything put away in logical cupboards, drawers, shelves, etc. There will be a root cellar in the basement and as I mentioned, a pantry. We have many options for online and local design tools, but are interested in your personal best ideas, should you be willing to share them. |
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09 Jan 11 - 04:58 PM (#3070797) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Allan C. Okay, here are some kitchen thoughts. Carmen and I live in the basement of our house. The upper floors are rented to Carmen's son and his family. We live in a little less than a thousand square feet. Thus, our kitchen is somewhat compact. Because of local fire laws we were not allowed to put in a regular range and oven. But we make do very well with a portable counter-top induction single-burner range and a combination microwave/convection oven. Both of us love to cook and to bake. There is nothing, (except perhaps a 24 pound turkey,) that we can't cook or bake. Well, yes, there is one thing we can't do: we can't broil very well. And I do miss making cinnamon toast from time to time. But almost any other broiling can be done on the combination wood and gas grill and smoker we have parked in the yard. I keep that pretty busy all year 'round. I think a lot of people are surprised that we can do as well as we do without a range and oven, but some mighty delicious food comes out of our small kitchen. One thing we didn't skimp on was the pantry. It is a luxury that makes cooking a true joy. Even with the small floor space, (about 4 X 6 feet,) there is plenty of wall space for wire shelving to hold canned goods, baking needs, a few extra pots & pans, spices, bulky or seldom used cooking utensils, cookbooks, and the portable induction burner when we aren't using it. You'd be amazed at how much the pantry holds. Carmen is a true artist when it comes to making every inch count and never misses a chance to hang something from a hook. I hope this gives you some ideas. Allan |
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09 Jan 11 - 05:18 PM (#3070802) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert When I was thinkin' about out kitchen one of the main things was to make it functional and inexpensive... There was an Amish furniture outlet in Harrisonburg so I checked out everything they had and built all the base cabinets out of unfinished chest of drawers the exception of two generic corner base cabinets which I bought from Lowes... I took of the tops and installed the cabinets, painted them and then put the counter top over them... Saved thousands of $$$... And they look really good... For the pantry I built a "butler pantry" outta 3 cabinet/hutch unfinished combinations and joined them all in a line so we have 10 feet of base cabinetry and all those lovely shelves for food... Be more than happy to take a couple pics and send 'um to you, maeve... They really were quite inexpensive... B~ |
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09 Jan 11 - 05:30 PM (#3070814) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: GUEST,mg One of my main advices is to not put a stovetop on an island as children are so tempted to climb up on islands. A sink would be fine and allow people to talk with guests and prepare food at the same time. I also would never put those old-fashioned flourescent fixtures anywhere in a house, except perhaps a basement that was not used much. They are so ugly and unhealthy. I do great in about 120 square feet and if a stove didn't come with the place, I would use one of those turbo ovens like I use at work..sit on a countertop and work great, especially with frozen meat. I would have a Dutch door. Heavy shutters that closed and locked. |
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09 Jan 11 - 05:37 PM (#3070819) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL Having seen maeve's ingenious use of space in their current abode, I can assure you that she will make use of every precious square inch of space while keeping the place uncluttered and homey. Not trying to discourage any suggestions. Keep them coming. SINS |
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09 Jan 11 - 07:40 PM (#3070913) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing It's good to give them credit for having done their homework, though.:-) |
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09 Jan 11 - 08:12 PM (#3070925) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu Great stuff! Bobert... I would love to see your pics of what you have described. PM you my eaddy shortly. |
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09 Jan 11 - 08:16 PM (#3070928) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert No problem, gn-ze... Of course it might be a couple of weeks seein' as I don't do digital... But I think you'll like what we've done... B~ |
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10 Jan 11 - 01:36 AM (#3071060) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage I was being restrained in my question about wiring - I had originally written about the kitchen and a couple of other areas, then dropped it out, thinking I was getting ahead of things. Plugs in many places are what I like. And if you're putting in an island, I'd get one of those brass floor plugs mounted flush with the tile or planks or whatever the flooring will be, so that you can run power to the island without stringing an extension cord from the side of the room. I like counter space to be somewhat open most of the time, so I keep many of my appliances on a chrome wire cart and a set of baker's shelves, and bring them over to the counters when I need them. That said, there are some holidays when it seems like everything needs to run at once, and then I'm glad to have outlets with every segment of the counters to spread out on. Bread machine to mix dough, counter top blender, roaster oven, convection oven, mixers, etc. My microwave and blender are always out in the same places, everything else lives out of the way until needed. (I remember when my Dad had Song Circle meet at his house, he had his tiny kitchen and dining area set up with crock pots, coffee makers, etc. and I think he had to run a couple of those electrical taps, but those can blow a circuit.) Appropriate technology. I have been a fan of Roger Ebert for years, and even though he has a stomach tube now, he still regularly blogs about cooking. (He wants us to enjoy it for him!) And one of his favorite appliances is a rice cooker. I followed him far enough down that culinary rabbit hole a while back that I went ahead and bought one for myself. It can do a lot more than just cook rice, so if you haven't already tried one, it might be a good item on the wish list when it comes to people wanting to send useful house warming gifts. (I picked up a Cuisinart one that has a stainless steel steamer basket that fits over the top and I love it.) I set it up as close to the stove as possible when I use it, to let the steam go out through the stove hood. I've lived in houses and apartments without good ventilation, and hated it when the house filled up with the smell of every cooked meal. If you don't mind putting a hole through the roof, or out the side wall, have an exhaust fan that really does exhaust. I'll stop there. SRS |
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10 Jan 11 - 05:49 AM (#3071138) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Allan C. Just to re-empathize what SRS said: you cannot possibly have too many outlets in a kitchen - or anywhere else for that matter! I also second the comment about ventilation. While in the wintertime it is sometimes helpful to put a bit of moisture into the air by way of a steaming pot, in the summer it can make your space feel like a jungle. BTW, I am a staunch believer in a brightly lit kitchen. However, I also very much appreciate the strings of low voltage "accent lights" we have attached to the underside of the hanging cabinets. These little lamps look a bit like glorified fuses, (the kind they used to use in cars, for instance.) They are very small, clear tubes about 2 inches long and have metal caps on either end which allow them to snap into small receiving brackets. We take full advantage of these low voltage lights by attaching them to a dimmer. Sometimes, you know, all you need is enough light to find your coffee cup and a spoon. |
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10 Jan 11 - 07:25 AM (#3071195) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve These are very helpful ideas. I'll continue to read and think about our achievable options as your interesting posts appear. Thanks very much. |
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10 Jan 11 - 10:39 AM (#3071316) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage Allan, I love under-cabinet lighting. They give the room an elegant look but at the same time, they're perfect task lighting. I put in some fixtures on down-rods in the kitchen and dining room last year and I like the look of those also. The light isn't on the ceiling lighting the entire room, it is a few feet above the counter, lighting just the counter, but centered over the counter so no one hits their head on it. I've also seen some attractive lighting worked into pot racks (Lowes), but I think one of those would dwarf my kitchen. SRS |
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10 Jan 11 - 01:23 PM (#3071458) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bettynh The TV show "This Old House" did a kitchen planning show recently. They had arranged big cardboard boxes in the kitchen space and drew in spaces for cooktops, sinks, etc. and wandered around thinking about it. They brought in a cook, who looked around and said that he would eliminate about half the cabinet doors, so he could see and reach for his most-used pots and appliances. He also argued for a center island without any insert - no stovetop or sink, since he found workspace most important. For myself, I'd want counterspace near anything (microwave, oven) that yields hot food. |
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10 Jan 11 - 01:23 PM (#3071460) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: ClaireBear Here's my number-one kitchen want: maybe it's because I'm short, but I find the typical stovetop layout absurdly impractical -- especially when I'm cooking with someone or doing something interaction-intensive, like working three woks at once for a Chinese meal. So should I ever get to build a kitchen from scratch, one thing that is definitely happening is that I'm getting two double-burner units and then putting them in side by side, so I end up with a stovetop layout that's like this: ------------------ [ O O ] [ O O ] ------------------ instead of the typical layout, like this: -------- [ O O ] | | [ O O ] -------- Bever having to reach over one hot pan to get to another is my idea of heaven. Plus, it goes on a shallower counter, so you end up with cupboards you can see to the back of -- and more floor space. Best wishes! Claire |
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10 Jan 11 - 06:20 PM (#3071683) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney I like that idea - having more than once put a pan on one burner & turning on the one in front/behind. My stove is electric & as I don't have enough bench space (a common complaint!) I cover my burners with cute covers & use the space. First 2 sets were decorated with flowers, current set that I intend to keep has ducks which match the contact plastic on the board that I put on my freezer which is my working space. Sets have been replaced cos turning on the heat under them has unfortunate consequences, tho it never leads to the smoke alarm going off, just a a bit of a smell & another ruined cover. One of the ducks got heated recently - I've become very fast at removing them. Score so far - 3 totally ruined covers, & several heated covers. sandra |
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10 Jan 11 - 11:39 PM (#3071845) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage I have a beautiful nickel plated antique kettle with water in it that sits on my stove top on one of the burners. When I cook something, as soon as I take the pan off the burner and turn it off, the kettle goes on the hot eye to absorb heat. I started this years ago when the cats weren't always good about not hopping up on the counters or the stove, and I didn't want any singed critters. Now it's just habit. SRS |
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11 Jan 11 - 01:02 AM (#3071865) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Janie I dunno maeve, I've never had the luxury of a kitchen that suited me. Having said that, the two best designed kitchens I have had were also the smallest. One was the kitchen in our Airstream and the other was the kitchen in a mobile home. Both made very efficient use of small space and had remarkable storage capacity for their small footprints. I really dislike my kitchen in this house. It is ugly, very inefficient, and has less storage space than even the Airstream. I'm a bit of a gear hound when it comes to kitchen, so don't know if the kitchen exists that has enough storage space for me. While I am good at making do with what I have, in the kitchen, having the right, good quality tool for the job greatly enhances the efficiency and pleasure of cooking and baking, especially with respect to baking pans and knives. I also really like to have plenty of mixing and sorting bowls in numerous sizes, and at least 2 sets each of dry and liquid measuring cups and spoons. I don't have a dishwasher, and would rather wash more dishes than have to repeatedly wash and dry the same measuring implements. I think the 1st question to answer is how many people are usually in the kitchen working at one time? I have mostly been on my own in my own kitchen, so find a galley kitchen very efficient. If I routinely had at least one other person working with me, I would prefer something with more distance between work stations and would adhere pretty closely to the classic triangle of stove, sink and refrigerator. That is the configuration of my Mom's kitchen, which is pretty efficient, and allows sufficient space for at least 2 people to work without tromping all over one another. I will tend to avoid recipes that are much easier to prepare with a small appliance such as a food processor, blender, waffle iron or electric mixer because I have to keep those items stored where it takes a little digging to get to them. If I had more money than I knew what to do with, I would definitely take advantage of the more recent small appliance "garage" designs for my food processor, blender and a good stand mixer (which I have never owned), because they would be very accessible and I would use them more and cook more diversely. My kitchen is not busy enough these days for hanging storage of pots and pans to make sense. Unless I use a pot at least once a week, hanging it turns it into a dust collector. |
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11 Jan 11 - 03:19 AM (#3071892) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: mouldy When I had my kitchen opened out and re-fitted in my last house, the electrician asked me how many power sockets I wanted. I told him as many as he could give me. I think I had 11 counter-level and 3 lower down. If there hadn't been a massive window just above the main counter, I would have had more - there's nothing worse than not having power where you need it! Starting from scratch is a wonderful opportunity to get it exactly as you want. The other thing that I need a lot of is storage. It's definitely lacking in this new place, but I intend to do a rebuild before long. Friends of mine did a barn conversion and did an open plan cooking/ dining/ sitting theme as you moved from one end to the other. They had an island unit with a 6 burner gas hob, and round sink built in; a gas-fired Aga in a recess at the back. Most of the storage was round behind in a butler's pantry - marvellous! Fridge, freezer, store cupboards, washing appliances all tucked away. They then got an artist daughter of a friend to make a trompe l'oeuil door for it which gave the effect of a recess with shelves containing Cornishware jars, old brass scales and cookery books, etc. Andrea |
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11 Jan 11 - 05:39 AM (#3071954) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Allan C. Here is a link to the under cabinet lighting I was talking about. Please also note the "customers who purchased this ..." listing. I believe all of those items are necessary, but check with your electrician. Notice on the right of the page they show a lens or cover for the lamps. We didn't bother with this and don't really see the need. |
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11 Jan 11 - 07:47 AM (#3072012) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thank you all. We're both finding it difficult to focus on future needs while we're still just managing survival. The ideas we are able to plan for may take months or years to become reality, so all of these different descriptions are quite helpful in making those plans. We appreciate the thought that has clearly gone into all recommendations posted here; wiring and lighting, tools and appliances, use of space, innovative storage solutions, etc. We like to cook and clean up together when possible, so will need to think through how work stations can be managed. We'll only have the wood stove for heating and cleaning for now, so need to remember to factor in the eventual space for and purchase of a propane stove and tank and a good refrigerator, as well. We have a stack of charming antique and vintage cabinet doors in storage, so may be able to have some basic cabinet carcasses made for them. Any other thoughts? |
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11 Jan 11 - 09:46 AM (#3072101) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Are you going to have steps down to the basement, maeve??? If so, you might even want to consider doing what the used to be done in homes in the early 1800s and that is put yer kitchen in the basement... The old hotel I own was built around a federalist style brick house (circa 1815) and in the basement is where all the cooking was done... There's a massive fireplace down there and the heat from it went up thru vents to heat the house... Just an idea... Yes, I know that you have to run triple walled pipe thru floors and roofs but if yer gonna have to devote part of yer floor plan to a wood/coal stove anyway then instead of a large stove in the middle of yer living space it will be under you doing the same thing??? Just food fir thought... Are ya'll fully enclosed yet??? BTW, there's a ton of "R Factor" in cheap 6 mil plastic for yer interior walls while waiting on wiring & insulation prior of wall board/paneling... Just the idea of an air pocket between you and the outside will make the house alot warmer... B~ |
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11 Jan 11 - 11:43 AM (#3072188) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Bobert- Steps down to the basement... Yes, when we can afford them. We don't dare use the basement as part of the living space. Taxes would be more than we can afford. We're also planning for one level living so any guests with mobility issues and we as we age don't have to navigate stairs. Thanks for the idea, anyway. "Are ya'll fully enclosed yet???..." We are fully enclosed as far as having the skylight, roof, wall panels, and yurt windows and doors in and sealed. As I was talking about a couple of posts ago, TL and I still have the 35 open wall seam with weather blocking strips to overlap, staple and tape, and 35 sets each of top of wall trim, exterior vertical trim, fascia including extended eave barge fascia, and such. All call for compressor and various nail/brad/stapleguns which we are tracking down. Then we have caulking and spray foam sealing to do. Then the yurt will be weather tight for sure. "BTW, there's a ton of "R Factor" in cheap 6 mil plastic..." I'm glad you mentioned that. We told our contractor we'd be doing that until we can get wiring, plumbing, and blown cellulose in place. He tried hard to push us into rushing the wiring/plumbing step to get the insulation in, saying the plastic wouldn't make any difference. Fortunately, we are standing our ground and will take the time needed to plan and install all systems correctly. The wall insulation will be scheduled after the systems are in, the rest of the contractor tasks will all wait for when we can pay for them. Thanks, everyone. Perhaps I won't lose my mind just yet. |
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11 Jan 11 - 12:38 PM (#3072224) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage I wish we were nearby so the group could converge and help with the tools we own that you need. My ladder, Bobert's power tools, etc. I own a pickup truck, so when my contractor (who is also a friend) was working and I was home he'd come in and tell me when he needed something. And if it was something easy, he'd tell me "I can stop what I'm doing and drive over and get the sheet rock, and you'll be paying me for that, but if you drive over and get the sheet rock, you're still paying me to do the carpentry." Hard to beat that argument! I appreciated being able to keep things moving by running a few errands. It's nice when the pressure is gentle and on your behalf. Distilling our remarks, it looks like good lighting, ample outlets, and accessible counter space are the big three. It's nice if the lights can be built in, but I've had great luck putting a couple of screws in the bottom of the cabinet and hooking up one of those inexpensive 12 inch florescent wands. In my living room I set up one of those strings of three round halogen fixtures that you see in china cupboards. I mounted them each to a small piece of luan for stability and they serve as uplights in front of my fireplace. They could also work under cabinets (I've seen them on This Old House. In other words, these great features don't need to be expensive and you can do them yourself. Do you plan to have a kitchen table and a dining room table, or will you have a counter with stools for casual dining in the kitchen, and a larger table for other meals? When I moved in I extended the penninsula counter top by 12 inches to create an overhang that I tuck a stool under. This is the stool that stands in front of the stove when I'm using the steam juicer in preparation for canning, but the rest of the time it's for people to sit on. SRS |
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11 Jan 11 - 01:12 PM (#3072253) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve "We plan an island with a seating area and the kitchen sink will be there, facing into the open area." We will hope for one table in addition to the island overhang for stools, Stilly. It's likely it will be a multi-functional farm table sort of thing. As for lighting, we are looking for LED lights wherever possible. I need to avoid visible fluorescent light fixtures, and the halogens generate too much heat. Some of this conversation is a good way to plan our needs. Some of it is whistling in the dark for me. It's a struggle to keep our chins up. |
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11 Jan 11 - 02:30 PM (#3072307) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Crap.... As part of gettin' ready to move we sold (ha, gave away) a nice old dining table (5 leaves) that could be used as either a round table (52 inch diameter) and open up to seat up to 12... Grrrrr.... It only brought $50 at auction but alot of other stuff brought crazy $$$$ so everything kinda balanced out... BTW, as a home owner, can you pull yer own electrical permit??? If so, wiring is really purdy easy and if ya' have a "main breaker" in yer panel then wiring in the other breakers is a piece of cake... Of course, ol' hillbilly doesn't much care about "main breakers" 'cause I been doing it all my life... But this, at least gives you lectrical where you need it... I assume yer going to put the panel in the basement??? No??? There are advantages to having it there... BTW, seein' as you aren't going to have too many interior walls you are going to find that floor plugs work really well... The problem with them is that they are expensive (like $40 each with metal cover plates) so shop around if yer gonna need several... BTW, I think I have the triple walled stove pipe thingy for going thru the roof so if ya'll don't have it, I might try to hunt it down... Yes, it's stainless... B~ |
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11 Jan 11 - 08:40 PM (#3072578) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage If you hit the jackpot, think about this table. It fits lots of occasions. Just don't get a pinch when it closes. Halogen bulbs have come a long way in the last dozen years or so and I have a lot of them. As the curly florescent bulbs go I'm not replacing them. I didn't have the same complaints that Mary expressed, I just don't like them. The one florescent type that I do have is the Ott lamp for task lighting. I use a lot of LEDs. You could probably get some interesting under cabinet lighting by running a string of LED holiday lights under there. ($10 on sale after christmas) SRS |
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12 Jan 11 - 04:32 PM (#3073263) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve The electrical panel is in the basement. For the time being, we could wire if we chose to do so. We have enough to do without that, although we may do some of the interior wall wiring later on. Stilly, that is one interesting table! |
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12 Jan 11 - 05:16 PM (#3073301) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: VirginiaTam would be great if you could get hold of some discarded curved benches curved benches to use as counter top with simple steel wire shelving underneath wire cart one of these for extra work surface when needed and utility trolley And pretty country print wipedown table clothes to hang underneath the curved bench counters to hide the trolleys. Just some thoughts on how to fit a round kitchen cheaply and eco friendly. All easy to clean to. |
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12 Jan 11 - 06:41 PM (#3073371) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage The fancy restaurant supply places have some expensive wire racks and shelves (Container Store also, and probably many other places). Check Sam's Club first if you're thinking of shopping for some of those- you can save a lot. I have a six-shelf rolling heavy duty chrome wire rack that is my pantry. It sits in the hall, and I have bungee cords wrapped around it to keep things from pitching off. VT, you probably don't have Sam's Club, but do you have Walmart? They're affiliated. maeve, when you're wiring the electric, think about placing some junction boxes and running cat-5 for data. In this day and age, those are very useful. I realized I could wire my house easily through the attic, and I've run a data line and a coaxial cable into the living room, the front room, my office, my sun room, and the front of the three bedrooms. I'll probably put them in the two other bedrooms when it warms up again in the spring. I get the Leviton covers and jacks at Home Depot and they're cheap and easy to wire. I also ran phone line and jacks, but for now, we don't have a land line. I could reuse that line for something else, put on a different jack. I ran it as a star pattern, radiating out from the hall closet where I've plugged in the modem and router that serves up to four wired locations. Even if you set up only a couple, they're useful for when people want to plug in games (Wii, Playstation, etc.), computers, or things like a BluRay player that streams Internet and Netflix. I know, I'm getting ahead of your anticipated technology and devices, but it is a lot easier to run those lines and install the j-boxes now than to do it later and fish for line in the walls. SRS |
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12 Jan 11 - 06:54 PM (#3073385) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Good ideas, Tam and Stilly. I suspect strongly we'll do what we can pay for; no more. I appreciate all of the suggestions, friends. Maeve |
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12 Jan 11 - 09:53 PM (#3073464) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing THIS seemed kinda interesting.:-) |
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13 Jan 11 - 07:34 AM (#3073639) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: My guru always said Wish I had some ideas, but it looks like you're getting plenty here. Still thinking of you and your wonderful project. Sounds like things will be happening slower now for a variety of reasons, but remember the Tortoise and the Hare. Love & Hugs, Hil xx |
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13 Jan 11 - 07:28 PM (#3074045) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Funny thing; that was part of my research, kat! Hil, I like the tortoise analogy; I get impatient sometimes, but look forward to growing a jewel here. |
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14 Jan 11 - 06:04 AM (#3074289) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Allan C. When I was a child my folks would take me along as they visited one of Dad's co-workers who was also a great friend. Dad's friend had built a house that was filled with marvels. For instance it had a glass brick foyer wall in which a number of the glass bricks actually held goldfish. But one of the things that captured my parents' imagination and admiration was the free-standing, movable partitions. I don't know how many of them were portable, but at minimum the partition between the kitchen and the living room/dining room could be moved to allow whomever was cooking to be able to converse with guests. I believe, now that I think of it, that a couple of other partitions could be moved, shrinking another room to make the living room/dining room more spacious. I don't have any idea as to how the partitions were constructed, (I was only about 5 at the time,) but these look interesting and are not particularly expensive. Just a thought... |
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14 Jan 11 - 07:08 PM (#3074777) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage Looks too much like my cubby at work! How about this instead? (from here). |
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15 Jan 11 - 05:58 AM (#3075014) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu SRS... cool! |
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15 Jan 11 - 09:02 AM (#3075078) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thanks for two takes on the flexible wall notion, Allan and Stilly. The beautiful screen Stilly linked to costs money (or time to make it).The vaulted ceiling makes sliding partitions inoperable as far as I can tell, but I had thought, earlier in the process, of Japanese style sliding paper screens. Once the rest of the interior walls are built we'll have a 20' x 23' or so open area (a little over half of the circle), so I'm not very concerned about space in that regard. I would like to use double doors or sliding pocket doors to the music room/study/guest room slice of the pie so they could provide a separate space for music and when opened wide, allow free movement between that room and the open area. We're also trying to build in ease of use and movement for friends and guests with mobility challenges and for our older selves years from now. |
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15 Jan 11 - 10:27 AM (#3075115) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: VirginiaTam Room dividing screens can be done on the cheap, with old wood screen door frames or garden trellis panels, piano hinges, flat bed sheets and a staple gun. |
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15 Jan 11 - 11:54 AM (#3075157) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing I've seen things made that way, VTam, but not very cheap, at least not here. I did see a very creative way some folks used old doors for a corner privacy spot in their yards. They hinged them all together, after painting them all kinds of colours and designs, then stood them across the area in a slightly wavy line. It was really neat, but too bulky etc. for inside, of course. Large sheets of art paper make beautiful screen material, too. I have them pasted to the bottom halves of our windows, for privacy, but a screen made with thin strips of wood and hinges would be lightweight and easy to do. Here's someone who tells how to make one using cardboard! CLICKETY |
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15 Jan 11 - 12:39 PM (#3075194) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thanks, VTam and kat, for the great additional screen ideas. I'm sure they'll come in handy for someone! We picked up a nice stained glass pendulum-style lampshade at the village recycling center. I reckon it will be just right. We only bring home/accept the very few items that we know will be beautiful and useful in the yurt. We'd rather do without than make do, after so many years of the latter. It's mighty cold here today. I'm glad we banked around the camper with snow. |
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15 Jan 11 - 03:00 PM (#3075267) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Allan C. The things SRS and I mentioned are not especially in need of being suspended from a ceiling. In fact, the ones I linked to come in a variety of heights and are free-standing so far as I can see. I like the one SRS linked to; but I believe one could pretty much decorate the plain panels in any number of ways. No matter, though. It seems you've worked out such things pretty well so far. |
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15 Jan 11 - 03:22 PM (#3075276) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thanks, Allen. I like all of the partition/screen ideas. You never know who might find these ideas useful. In a smaller model or if we hadn't needed the privacy of enclosed rooms with ceilings, a combination of these ideas would have worked nicely. |
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15 Jan 11 - 03:41 PM (#3075286) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage I knew the prices were very high when I added the Japanese screen links. They're very expensive, but are beautiful, a contrast to the cubby walls. I used to visit a screen in a local department store furniture department. It was an antique listed for $10,000 but was simply the most beautiful thing in the store. I don't know how I would use one of those if I had it, they're works of art that need the right kind of space to display. My coworkers in the library have a bunch of louvered partitions around their work areas in the basement of our building. They came painted a black enamel and I think there are probably 5 or 6 segments per screen. I'd estimate that they're six feet tall and each segment is 24" wide. They bought them from Oriental Trading several years ago. I searched for them and there is one room divider listed but it doesn't have a photo up now. I imagine you could buy louvered doors at the hardware store and use piano hinges or regular hinges to connect as many as you want and even put some kind of footed support on the base to give them stability. Fasten together three bifold doors and you'll have an attractive but temporary divider. Paint with spray paint to avoid all of the tricky brush work. SRS |
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15 Jan 11 - 04:39 PM (#3075322) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: GUEST,mg We got some state surplus cubical dividers on feet for work and just move them to where we need to shut anything off (like my desk which is open in a big room surrounded by noisy people)...They provide enough privacy for a sleeping guest and some noise abatement and probably even a bit of thermal advantage. They aren't gorgeous but not too ugly. mg |
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15 Jan 11 - 05:01 PM (#3075328) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Dorothy Parshall The one thing that comes to mind for me in the midst of all these wonderful ideas: I am not too concerned about the fact that our kitchen is apt to fall into the basement any day. What gets me is having to reset the circuit breaker if I use the small microwave and the small toaster oven and the distiller at the same time. NOT ENOUGH power to each outlet is as bad as not enough outlets. Four outlets on a 12 foot counter are great only if they are on at least two separate ciircuits! |
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15 Jan 11 - 05:34 PM (#3075348) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: ClaireBear I looked up the quote I recalled as similar to a recent comment of yours, Maeve. You probably know it already, because you so nearly expressed it the same way. From one of my heroes, William Morris: "If you want a golden rule that will fit everything, this is it: Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful or believe to be beautiful." He also said: "Simplicity of life, even the barest, is not a misery, but the very foundation of refinement; a sanded floor and whitewashed walls and the green trees, and flowery meads, and living waters outside." May blessings abound. |
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15 Jan 11 - 06:45 PM (#3075373) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve I have loved those two quotes for years, Claire. Here's another from William Morris that I like: "If I were asked to say what is at once the most important production of Art and the thing most to be longed for; I should answer; A beautiful House; and if I were further asked to name the production next in importance and the thing next to be longed for; I should answer; A beautiful Book. To enjoy good houses and good books in self-respect and decent comfort, seems to me to be the pleasurable end towards which all societies of human beings ought now to struggle." Calm, peace, beauty, simple comfort; a place for laughter, music, meaningful work, contemplation, writing, art. |
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16 Jan 11 - 11:14 AM (#3075694) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: jacqui.c Good morning Darlin'. I look at this thread daily, although don't post much. I'll make up for that when I get to visit, hopefully, soon. |
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16 Jan 11 - 02:55 PM (#3075817) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Hi, Jacqui. Sometimes in the very early morning I amuse myself by imagining which friends quietly think of us. Welcome home. |
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17 Jan 11 - 03:23 PM (#3076594) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu Getting anxious for the next progress report me. |
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17 Jan 11 - 05:03 PM (#3076675) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve So are we, gnu. It's been too cold for the exterior work we need to do, and more bad weather will arrive Tuesday and Wednesday. The rest of the work must wait. |
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17 Jan 11 - 05:11 PM (#3076679) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu Oh... like caulking? taping? Does this mean it's in a stall until temps rise? That sounds ominous as it could be months! Oh my. |
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17 Jan 11 - 05:22 PM (#3076683) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Not too sure how high the ceiling is but India prints on a rod make great walls... Kinda hippie-ish but, hey, what can you say... I still have quite a few of them from my younger hippie days... Had a loft apartment and that's all I used to create rooms... And they add so much color... B~ |
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17 Jan 11 - 05:45 PM (#3076693) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: GUEST,mg have we pontificated on flooring yet? I live in a little cabin with painted fir floors and they are the best floors I have ever had. Just sweep and mop and you're done. No waxing, stripping, vacuuming etc...could put area rugs on for warmth but I hope you don't put in laid down carpeting...nasty dirty stuff. mg |
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17 Jan 11 - 06:21 PM (#3076718) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve 33 wall joints with top of wall trim, exterior vertical trim, fascia including extended eave barge fascia, and such. All call for compressor and various framing nail/brad/staple guns which we are tracking down. Then we have caulking and spray foam sealing to do. Then the yurt will be weather tight for sure. It's so cold the wood may split with the force. We must be very careful not to mess up the cuts, and each cut must be stained/sealed at room temp. Then we wait until we can afford the next steps: wall insulation and the insulated slab. Yes, possibly months. |
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17 Jan 11 - 06:35 PM (#3076732) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Cross posted... mg- Floor is plywood subfloor. That's it for now. What you describe is what we used to have in our house. We liked it, too. Bobert- Vaulted ceiling is 20 feet high at the center skylight. I'm tired, cold and grumpy. This too shall pass. :) |
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17 Jan 11 - 07:55 PM (#3076792) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Sorry, maeve... Wish life was easier fir ya'll... Sounds like the India prints won't work without some doing... BTW, I like painted floors, too... With a little work ya' can make 'um look real nice with an occasional throw rug for effect... BTW, spring is right around the corner... B~ |
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17 Jan 11 - 07:59 PM (#3076795) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney put on a few more layers of warm stuff & curl up under the your lovely quilt for a reviving nap. Sure to stop grumpiness - especially if you have a teddy bear to hug. Don't try for a nap like the one freda had one evening after work - she emailed us somewhere around 11.30 apologising for missing the singing session as she had just woken from a nana nap. I replied it must have been great-grandmother nap! sandra (sending warm thoughts from summery Sydney) |
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17 Jan 11 - 08:09 PM (#3076800) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: kendall Are you ok maeve? it was 5 below zero here last night. |
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17 Jan 11 - 11:05 PM (#3076874) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Janie Time to hunker down and just figure out how to keep warm. Once warm, time to daydream whilst thinking about the next possible practical steps. Eh? Don't risk frostbite for the sake of privacy. Go take up space and make a pallet on the living room floor of friends, family or church members if need be for the sake of safety and sanity in such bitter cold. Doubt many would consider it an imposition. You are sensible grown-ups capable of making the choices that suit you best. We can't help but be concerned for you in this bitter cold and with what you have shared about the difficulties in getting and staying warm in your current living conditions. Be safe. |
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18 Jan 11 - 06:54 AM (#3077010) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve We're alright; -12F/-24C Sunday night, with even colder weather in another day or so. I don't post much so as not to worry our friends here. TL is successfully keeping the camper plenty warm enough for safety. We bundle up, add a layer, etc. The camper is now banked with snow. Being on site is a necessity. It's tiring to deal with the cold and we don't sleep nights when the furnace must be left on, that's all. If we had access to water it would ease some challenges, as well. Today's little difficulties hit harder when I look ahead to months of difficulties. That's life. Easy sounds good, Bobert. Fortunately for us, we love, enjoy, and respect each other... so the challenges are less of a focus than is our enjoyment of life together. Thanks for asking, y'all. Maeve |
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21 Jan 11 - 10:23 AM (#3079377) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve A friend has sent a beautiful, warm, king-size down comforter. We shall be warm this weekend when temps. drop as far as -15 to -20F. This is an interesting, locally available insulation product. It could be used to fill the inner walls for sound proofing. Cotton insulation batting |
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21 Jan 11 - 12:22 PM (#3079442) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Dan Schatz A good question to ask about the cotton batting is how well it holds up over time, and whether it settles over time or becomes compressed and loses some of its R-value. Also check to see how rodent and bug resistant it is. Now, you may find that it doesn't hold up as well as fiberglass and decide to go for it anyway, with the knowledge that it's better for the planet and in however many years' time you'll just need to replace it. But it's good to know, in any case. If those things are issues, you might go for fiberglass in permanently enclosed spaces and cotton in any spaces you're likely ever access or that are open-ish, thus combing durability and safety. And again, the caveat: I so don't know what I'm talking about. Dan |
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21 Jan 11 - 12:30 PM (#3079444) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert This may sound strange, meave, but the snow packed around the trailer is helping insulate it... BTW, are you using propane to heat??? BTW, Part 2... Have you heard of Eden Pure electric heaters??? They are supposed to be very efficient meaning that you get alot more heat for yer buck than the older electric heaters... Spring is 8 weeks away... B~ |
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21 Jan 11 - 12:34 PM (#3079446) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Hi again, Dan. It must be nice to know what you don't know. Sometimes I don't know what I don't know until it's too late... Specs on the cotton insulation look very good. It's manufactured for a friction fit, and because it's in batt form rather than loose, it won't settle. The addition of borates acts as a nontoxic mold, mildew, insect, and rodent repellent, and gives the insulation high resistance properties to fire and smoke. Supposedly, it dramatically reduces airborne sound transmission from such things as airplanes, TV,traffic, conversations, etc. I wonder what it does for rooster hollers? |
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21 Jan 11 - 12:37 PM (#3079450) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu Looks like good stuff, maeve. I dislike the "fungi resistance,... and pest resistance" part but if you can ensure against water damage and pests, it could be used in int/ext walls. How's the price against fibreglass (still my top choice). Just one precaution with the cotton. It will attract insects and insects are pretty darn hard to keep out. I wonder what they treat it with so that insects won't eat it??? |
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21 Jan 11 - 12:46 PM (#3079460) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Hi, gnu. This and every other "green" natural fiber insulation I've researched, including the blown-in cellulose we'll use in the exterior walls, has borates added to protect against insects, mold, rodents, fire, etc. It seems the emphasis is on effective and appropriate use of water shields, caulk, moisture barriers, etc. |
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21 Jan 11 - 01:23 PM (#3079486) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage The borate is not bad like a lot of other chemicals. It had been used medicinally for centuries, probably. Boric acid - anyone else remember it as an eye wash? It's also good at repelling roaches, termites, carpenter ants, etc. If boric acid is applied to the soil, nothing will grow there, so it isn't to be used lightly, but it is affective in this application. I agree with Bobert, the snow against the trailer will help a lot in keeping the temperature even. It's the reason you can stay warm in an igloo or snow cave. SRS |
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21 Jan 11 - 01:52 PM (#3079499) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve I had missed your post, Bobert. You said, and Stilly repeated, "snow packed around the trailer is helping insulate it". Yep, that's why we bank with snow. We always have; it's effective and it's free. And yes, our camper has a propane heater. |
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21 Jan 11 - 02:51 PM (#3079549) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu Hmmmm... maybe not the best story under the circumstances, but I doubt there is any problems with your trailer meave. Some years back, I had a 13' trailer up country. I used to bank it with fir bows. As soon as snow was on the go, I would bank snow. One day, I was sitting in a lawn (snow?) chair having an ale and smelled that smell now and again. I waited for the wind to calm out and smelled all the fittings around the tanks... nope. Imagination? Then, I got a good whif again in the chair. I dug into the banking. A slow leak at a fitting under the trailer. The buildup of propane after several days was scarey! I made four "holes" which I would bank again at night until I replaced the fitting on the next trip in. |
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21 Jan 11 - 03:20 PM (#3079569) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Good story, gnu. We have managed to keep the vent clear. :) I measured 14" of new snow, with more falling. |
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21 Jan 11 - 08:41 PM (#3079750) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Janie The cotton insulation is intriguing, maeve. It sure calls to mind a lot of questions that only time can answer (and some, though not all have already been raised.) speaking strictly from the peanut gallery, I don't think I would choose to be in the first, or even second wave of post-market guinea pigs for something like insulation, that is likely going to be there for the effective life of the building. If I were considering it for environmental or ecological reasons, I'd also want to know more about where and how the cotton was grown - to know what effects the growing of it have on the environment and lives of the people where it is grown. Thanks so much for sharing with us all the different products and ideas you are running across in your research. I learn bunches from reading this thread. |
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22 Jan 11 - 02:33 AM (#3079845) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: mouldy Sheep's wool is used as an alternative roof space insulation in the UK sometimes. Hope you get something sorted out soon. Andrea x |
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22 Jan 11 - 06:21 AM (#3079889) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney wool batts are used in Oz, too Aust. Consumers Assn reviews different types of insulation |
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22 Jan 11 - 06:52 AM (#3079913) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu Are you gonna build a patio?.... My husband, Ray, was attempting to build a patio for the first time. He bought 100 cement blocks. Laying them out in a pattern, he discovered the chosen area was too small. He stacked the blocks against the house and cleared more space. The next day Ray put the cement blocks back down, only to find that the ground was too hard to keep the patio level. He ordered a truckload of sand to be delivered the following morning. Again he stacked the 100 blocks against the house. Observing all this, our 'nosey' next-door neighbor asked, "Hey! Ray, are you going to put that patio away 'EVERY' night?" |
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22 Jan 11 - 07:01 AM (#3079915) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Janie What an informative and clearly written article, Sandra. Thanks for posting the link! |
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22 Jan 11 - 07:24 AM (#3079921) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney ACA is a great organisation - it is independent (funded by members not industry) & always provides the best info on products. It is THE source for info when planning to buy consumer goods from baby necessities to cosmetics to home loans to insurance to ... |
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22 Jan 11 - 08:07 AM (#3079940) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Useful link, Sandra.There are several forms of "natural" insulation. |
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22 Jan 11 - 08:45 AM (#3079960) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu I have found (during building inspections) newspaper, horsehair, leather shavings... and lots of rats... they generate heat. |
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22 Jan 11 - 08:56 AM (#3079968) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve We already have a contract for installation of the 5 1/2 inches of blown cellulose for the exterior walls. Whatever we choose for the interior walls will be for sound insulation more than any other purpose. We could easily and quickly install the cotton batting I've described, over a span of time if necessary, and it would be fairly easy to change wiring as needed in those walls. Patio...Funny, gnu. I imagine we are providing much entertainment for neighbors and passers-by...judging by the number of cars and trucks that speed down our road only to craaaawl past our place. |
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22 Jan 11 - 08:58 AM (#3079969) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thank you to whomever tidies up the last few incomplete posts. I've never before had that much trouble posting the whole entry. |
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22 Jan 11 - 09:11 AM (#3079978) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Maryrrf I don't post much Maeve, but I too am following your journey. This has to have been an awful winter, but you've made it more than halfway through and seem to have kept up your good cheer and positive attitude. Spring is coming, and thing's will be sooo much easier! |
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22 Jan 11 - 10:15 AM (#3080015) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thank you, Mary. It has been difficult. I did notice while we shoveled out (again) at dawn that one audacious Black-Capped Chickadee was singing the spring song. |
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22 Jan 11 - 10:19 AM (#3080019) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Ratsulation??? Hmmmmmmmm??? I don't recommend it... The house I grew up in was built in 1840 and it had rats... Lot's of rats... So when I got to be about 10 years old my dad appointed me "Rat Sheriff" which I thought was a purdy good job 'cause it paid well... 25 cents per rat... Dead, of course... So I made a trap from a Popular Mechanics magazine design outta heavy chicken wire and wood and the rats loved it... It'd put it in the dirt cellar and about every other day there would be a rat in it waiting to be taken out back in the trap and, well, ahhhhh, shot with my .22 rifle... On a good week I'd net 75 cents whioch was good money fir back then... But the down side of havin' rats was when they would pick anotheer way to die they would become ratsulation and lemme tell you that dear rats don't smell too good... I mean, once you smell a dead rat that smell like never goes away... I mean, it's like U-237 uranium... It has no half life to speak of so Mr. Rat just keeps on smellin and keeps on smellin'... I ride by the ol' homestead now and then an wonder if all the ratsulation is still stenkin' up the joint... Probably is... B~ |
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22 Jan 11 - 01:39 PM (#3080127) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: GUEST,mg Wiring in walls with cotton insulation does not sound so great to me. In fact, I have never ever understood why we bury wiring and piping in walls...something goes wrong you have to rip out the wall...and it takes longer to notice problems, and fire hazard etc. besides. mg |
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22 Jan 11 - 01:50 PM (#3080138) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve It does sound odd, Mary, but in fact both types of insulation we're looking at are highly rated for its fire resistance. |
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22 Jan 11 - 01:54 PM (#3080139) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu mg... I had a home design that was great... all the electrical and mechanical were run easily accessible chases. Never got a chance to use it. |
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22 Jan 11 - 02:08 PM (#3080142) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Here are a couple of general information site allowing comparison of different insulation materials: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_insulation_materials Safest, most effective insulation... Gnu- Yes, we've pondered the possibility of a wiring channel to be placed where the wall molding would usually go. I've never seen it done, but find it a sensible notion. Right now, for example, we're being asked to decide where all of the exterior wall wiring will go, and we don't even know what we need yet. After the cellulose has been blown it will be a heck of a job to wire or rerout wiring. |
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22 Jan 11 - 02:13 PM (#3080144) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve This cotton batt insulation is mostly made of recycled denim. http://www.bondedlogic.com/ultratouch-cotton.htm |
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22 Jan 11 - 02:21 PM (#3080149) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Janie recycled denim? Cool! |
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22 Jan 11 - 02:43 PM (#3080156) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu "Safest, most effective insulation..." link no work. |
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22 Jan 11 - 02:50 PM (#3080162) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Try the link as a copy/paste, gnu. I can't get it to stick as a blue clicky- there's a syntax problem. http://www.re-nest.com/re-nest/good-question/the-safest-and-most-effective-insulation-for-our-attic-crawl-space-good-question-129545 |
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22 Jan 11 - 03:36 PM (#3080196) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve One more link; more technical and informative. http://www.inspectapedia.com/interiors/Cotton_Insulation.htm |
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22 Jan 11 - 04:22 PM (#3080233) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: GUEST,mg I think a wiring channel sounds like a great idea and that is where it seems to make the most sense, but I am not a carpenter...mg |
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22 Jan 11 - 04:24 PM (#3080234) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu Still no work. |
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22 Jan 11 - 04:55 PM (#3080263) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Janie Gnu, go to www.re-nest.com. In the search box, type best and safest attic insulation. (I could get the cut and paste to work, but like maeve, the clickifier can't do it. |
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22 Jan 11 - 05:11 PM (#3080275) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu Thanks. |
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22 Jan 11 - 05:15 PM (#3080278) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage maeve's link. (I code them myself, don't use the blue clicky thing - there was an extra space at the end of the line). SRS |
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22 Jan 11 - 05:46 PM (#3080296) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thanks, Stilly. I see it now. We covered another window with shrink plastic film; what a difference! We also have a blanket to hang over the door when it's bitter cold. Thanks for all the questions, ideas, and explorations! Maeve |
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23 Jan 11 - 07:46 PM (#3081059) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Mother Earth News has long been a source for interesting and economical notions. I love the plaster tree on this link: How-to-Make-Earth-Art |
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23 Jan 11 - 08:23 PM (#3081084) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing That is a wonderful tree! I've been wondering how you are staying anywhere close to warm tonight..hearing the weather reports makes me shiver! |
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23 Jan 11 - 08:31 PM (#3081091) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu Cool tree. |
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23 Jan 11 - 08:31 PM (#3081092) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve We're wearing many layers of warm clothing, kat, we installed a double layer of shrink plastic on the coldest window, and we have a doubled blanket from the village recycling center hung over the door. :) |
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23 Jan 11 - 08:47 PM (#3081102) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Maryrrf Do you have any source of heat in the camper? |
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23 Jan 11 - 08:53 PM (#3081106) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Good evening, Mary. Yes, our camper has a propane heater. We'll be fine. I've also wrapped heavy plastic around the door and ceiling to the chicken coop, gave them extra warmed water, cracked maize, layer pellets, and a suet/seed cake this afternoon. |
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24 Jan 11 - 09:18 AM (#3081365) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL It was brutally cold last night and this morning. Hope all is well in the chicken house as well as yours, maeve. |
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24 Jan 11 - 12:46 PM (#3081501) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thanks, Mary. The chickens are ok. I took them extra servings of warmed water and food a little while ago. We're managing. I think we're both at the edge of "Enough", and TL just used a rock hammer to clear ice from inside and underneath the door. I'm struggling with intensified claustrophobic feelings, we still have no water source other than buying it bottled as possible, and when we run the propane heater we don't sleep; kind of hard to think clearly right now. Beyond all that, the day is frigid but full of sunshine, the stars and moon were beautiful late last night, and one chickadee was yelling his spring song yesterday. |
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24 Jan 11 - 06:40 PM (#3081756) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney does one chickadee make a spring? sending warm hugs sandra |
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24 Jan 11 - 10:11 PM (#3081853) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: GUEST,mg Can you take turns leaving for a week? Sounds like you need a break..or both together would be better if you didn't have the chickens...mg |
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24 Jan 11 - 10:46 PM (#3081865) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Janie Sending warm thoughts of warmth! |
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25 Jan 11 - 06:49 AM (#3081980) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Besides the little flock of chickens, Mary, we can't let our camper freeze, we cannot leave the yurt unwatched, and life here is too hard for one person alone. We "can't go around it, can't get over it, must go through it!" :) Keeping warm enough for safety, and we've already finished the most severe cold of the winter (we hope.) |
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25 Jan 11 - 08:06 AM (#3082010) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: My guru always said Thinking warm thoughts towards Maine! The shrink plastic on your windows sounds great, we've just used it on a warped metal window at the Cottage and it really does make a difference. I'm sure you have enough ventilation in the camper not to worry about heater fumes etc. |
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25 Jan 11 - 09:03 AM (#3082047) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL Hopefully, we are past the worst of the cold. More snow coming. If I can can get up your way this weekend or next, I will, maeve. There was no way I was going to share my bronchitis. Mary |
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25 Jan 11 - 09:08 AM (#3082050) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Spring is right around the corner, maeve... |
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25 Jan 11 - 09:39 AM (#3082074) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL and the world is always turning towards the morning. |
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25 Jan 11 - 10:36 AM (#3082108) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thanks. We're fine, just not having much relief. And yes; one chickadee makes a spring. |
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27 Jan 11 - 06:44 PM (#3083666) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Truelove dug the old water heater out of the snow, cleaned it up, dragged into the yurt basement, hooked it up and plugged it into the generator. Result: we have a somewhat dependable water source for the first time in a couple of months. |
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27 Jan 11 - 07:16 PM (#3083682) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage Bravo! What a luxury, reliable hot water! (Do you have a sink or a tub, or will it run through a hose or simple piped system to the trailer?) |
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27 Jan 11 - 07:24 PM (#3083687) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thanks, Stilly. No hot water, no sink or tub or hose. We take containers to the old water tank on a stand in the basement, and use the spigot to fill them. Mostly it just functions as a container for water pumped from the well, with the generator to power the well pump. |
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27 Jan 11 - 07:34 PM (#3083694) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: gnu Good show. Not having to buy bottled water is a GOOD thing. |
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27 Jan 11 - 08:02 PM (#3083714) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert I love it... This is pioneer spirit... Hey, next thing ya' know TL will have some 'lectricty hooked up to the hot water heater and ya'll have hot water... What ya'll doin'??? Just energizing the pump to fill the tank??? Hmmmmmm??? (Bobert wheels spinnin' here a little"...) Okay, seems like if ya'll can do that then, then, ahhhhhhh, maybe a wall switch to the pump... (No, BObert, the pump is 220 volts...) oh, I got it... I got a 220 volt disconnect on my air compressor... Little handle on the side of the box and, and, and.... hmmmmm? yeah, it will work... Tell TL that all he needs is a cheap disconnect box and then you can have cold water from it and route another CPVC line to the hot water tank and, and, ahhhhh, hmmmmmmm???? Yeah, I think ya'll have hot and cold water... Sheet fire... I understand it... I really do... Have TL email me and we can get you up and running... BTW, I'm sure that you have a 4 inch pipe in the basement that goes to yer ceptic & drain field and I can see a makeshift shower and sink... I really can... When we moved up here we had to shut everything down... Well almost everything... And I had an old heavy plastic lavatory sink that seemed to get moved every day... Same as when I was doing a renovation on an old (1826) building in Winchester... Seemed that we were always movin' the toilet around... Never bolted it down... Just pick it up and move it where it would work but wouldn't interfere with the job... B~ |
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27 Jan 11 - 08:23 PM (#3083725) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Exactly, gnu. Costs way too much of what we haven't got to buy those bottles of tasteless water. Hey, Bobert, you're on a roll. Only thing is, we can't heat the yurt yet and haven't had the slab poured. I'll ask TL to read your idea in the morning. I think we'll have to settle for what we have for now, but what do I know? If only we could shake this below freezing nonsense we could get the work done on the yurt exterior, so we could get the yurt ready for the next steps. |
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27 Jan 11 - 09:26 PM (#3083749) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Janie Not entirely related, maeve, but a question for you or any of you folks in New England and Canada (my mind is zinging off on tangents tonight,) how do chickens and livestock tend to fare in such deeply bitter nighttime temps in unheated coops or drafty barns? May you soon have a day or a night when the temps moderate enough that for a little while, at least, you feel warm and cozy to the core. |
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27 Jan 11 - 09:47 PM (#3083757) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert If TL has figured out how to get water to the old hot water heater and it ain't freezin' then ol' hillbilly can get you hot and cold sink and perhaps a makeshift shower... Might take just a little lumber for the floor and maybe some cheap PVC to act as as a frame for a curtain??? B~ |
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28 Jan 11 - 08:19 AM (#3083976) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL Water on demand - a luxury. Maybe Bobert can help you get hot water on demand. Then some hot water pipes around the yurt so you and the chickens can move in - maybe not. Hang in there maeve and TL. January is almost over. There is spring at the end of the tunnel. M |
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28 Jan 11 - 08:22 AM (#3083977) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Janie, the answers to your question depends upon each situation. Our bantams are a flock of eleven, in a coop within a shed. We've put in a large insulated window for light and heat. They have a thick layer of regularly refreshed pine shavings and the coop floor is raised several feet above the shed floor. We use a double layer of clear plastic over their door, again inside the shed, to reduce drafts and a double layer of heavy black plastic retains heat that would otherwise be lost through the top of the coop. They are content and lively during the day, and content and packed in together as they roost at night. Many who keep chickens use a suspended light in the coop to both provide heat and to fool the chooks' metabolisms into producing eggs long into the winter. Our bantams get a break from egg production in winter, and we reckon it helps the hens live better lives. By sometime in February, the eggs begin to arrive again as daylight lengthens, and I know it's a good time to start seeds for the vegetable garden. As for other livestock, I've cared for sheep, pigs, and horses. All produce a fair amount of body heat. Some need more cover than others. My Chincoteague loved to be out in the winter storms. Sheep and pigs need some cover. |
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28 Jan 11 - 08:34 AM (#3083984) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney Chincoteague? |
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28 Jan 11 - 08:34 AM (#3083986) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Bobert, thank you so much for your good ideas. The water set up was just done yesterday and there's no telling how long it will work with the old tank and repaired spigot. The only power is the generator. We have to meet plumbing code laws and stay on the good side of our Code Enforcement Officer, and we have to be ready to pour the insulated slab and insulate walls. We're scheduled to be available for Open House visits. Right now, living in the camper is what we can handle, until slab and stove and wall insulation can be done. As TL says, we're in a holding pattern. I'm just happy to have water available for washing, etc. |
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28 Jan 11 - 08:35 AM (#3083988) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve That's correct, Sandra. |
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28 Jan 11 - 09:37 AM (#3084029) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Ahhhh, yes, the building inspector must be kept happy... We have two here in Page County and fortunately I get along well with both of them... We had a 3rd who thankfully is gone... On the spec house I built a couple years ago I called for an inspection to pour the garage floor... Well, garage floors tend to crack so I dug down an extra 14 inches from side to side and put in my re-rod... That is the way that all garage floors are done in NoVa. and they call that a "poured beam" and gives the slab much needed structural integrity... So pain'the-the-butt Charie came out, took one look at it and asked, "What the hell is that???" Guess he was swo used to seein' people just pour 4 inches without the "poured beam" that he didn't know what to think about someone pouring a floor that would not crack??? So Charlie failed me and told me that I was going to have to not only get the "poured beam" engineered but also bring in a soil engineer??? That little ballgame cost me right at $1000 and an month setback because I was doing something right??? Go figure... Wasn't all all disappointed to hear that Charlie had been laid off... B~ |
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28 Jan 11 - 09:42 AM (#3084033) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Yep, Bobert...go figure! We've been on excellent terms with the gentleman here. He knows his field and was very good to us when we had to replace the septic system two years ago. We are willing to stick it out until we can do it up right. Thanks again. M & TL |
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28 Jan 11 - 01:50 PM (#3084180) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Amazing...Even a stalwart neighbor with a reactive personality stopped by this morning. Although he is normally full of the froth of human kindness, on being allowed to tour the unfinished yurt his mood was positively buoyant, proclaiming, "This is wonderful!" Just amazing. Reckon pigs will be flying by sundown. Bobert, TL hand-filled the water tank on the camper with bottle after bottle of water from the aforementioned cranky old water tank. He thawed out the camper's hot water heater, turned it on, and Cowabunga! We again have hot and cold running water. Maeve |
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28 Jan 11 - 05:00 PM (#3084305) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert I get it now, maeve... Actually, if you could just send 220 volts down the 3 wires (red and black hot and white ground) to the pump it would pump water to where yer old connection was that went to the house... A 220V rated switch or "disconnect box" with lever would do fine as a shut off... Nuthin' would get hurt by doing this and you really aren't violating any codes that I know of... Might of fact it would probably make you pump happy to run now and then... Of course there wouldn't be a pressure tank but it doesn't matter since all you are doing is kinda using the pump direct... Very basic but virtually free water... B~ |
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28 Jan 11 - 05:15 PM (#3084315) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve The old connection is long gone, Bobert. That's what we used for about 8 months, until the old water tank was pulled out, the wires were ripped out or buried, and the old foundation hole was filled in. Our contractor promised he would make sure we wouldn't have to be without water. Guess what? Here we are. We're doing what we can and managing fine. Just another fun day on the farm! :) Maeve |
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28 Jan 11 - 05:31 PM (#3084324) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Hmmmmmmm???? Somethin' ain't right here, maeve... Where yer well cap is you will find the wires and the 1 inch black plastic (or galvanized pipe)... If you remove the cap they are all there and that is all you need... I can see how the wiring in the house and maybe even some of it underground to the cap might be burned but I can assure you that the fire wouldn't have damage a well or the pipe or the wires going down to the pump... Me thinks you need a second opinion... Pioneer life is bad enough but if you can have yer own water whenever you want it it's there for the taking without alot of fuss or muss... I can walk TL thru this if he wants to do it himself or any electrician can jerry-rig it in less than an hour... And, yes, it will be perfectly safe... B~ |
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28 Jan 11 - 05:42 PM (#3084334) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve I see what you mean- Not the connection at the old foundation but the well access. You are correct, the well access was not burned. Let's take this discussion off thread, Bobert. It's really hard for online friends to grasp our set-up, no matter how much they want to help, and I am uncomfortable with the public discussion. Call me funny or call me strange, but don't call me in public. :) Thanks. Maeve |
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29 Jan 11 - 04:45 AM (#3084538) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: My guru always said So very glad to see you have running water in the Camper again Maeve, well done TL!!!! Fantastic news! Also, well done to Bobert for all his practical suggestions. It's all a bit too technical for us here but it sounds like you have good advice to give. Hey, how long would it take you to drive up? Coupla days? Got some spare time? *grin* We could do with you here across the pond BobertmeDear, anytime you want to visit the UK you have a permanent invite here at the Cottage! |
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29 Jan 11 - 08:32 AM (#3084617) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert I'm on my way... I'll get the P-Vine to pack a few days worth of cheeze sammichs and I'll put a few beers in the cooler... BTW, what roads do ya take to get there??? B~ |
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29 Jan 11 - 08:48 AM (#3084623) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Bobert- The road to Hil and Richard runs through Maine, so we'll be watching for your visit here too, please. Thanks, Hil. Enjoy the flutterbys. Maeve |
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29 Jan 11 - 08:58 AM (#3084627) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert I'll bring my tools... B~ |
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29 Jan 11 - 03:46 PM (#3084837) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: jacqui.c Kendall and I visited with Maeve and Truelove today. It was cold and there were slight flurries of snow, but the yurt is wonderful. It looks so natural a structure for the surroundings and is beautiful inside, even in its present stage of construction. The acoustics are great and I can see this being a superb place for music. The atmosphere in the building just confirms that, once it is finished, this is going to be a really cosy nest for two people who deserve every good thing that they can get. There is a lot of hard work to do but they are working together to get things done. They are frustrated right now because it is too cold to do the exterior sealing work, which needs to be done before they can get the place insulated. I'm going to put in an order for a very early spring and good warm weather to help them. Anyone wnat to join me in that? |
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29 Jan 11 - 03:53 PM (#3084839) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage I wish I could ship you today's weather here in North Texas. It would be perfect for finishing that work. Stay warm, all! SRS |
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29 Jan 11 - 04:50 PM (#3084865) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: My guru always said I'll second that order Jacqi! Thanks for the description, it sounds just as wonderful as I thought it would be!! |
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29 Jan 11 - 11:12 PM (#3085034) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney I'll third it! I could also send some summery sunny Sydney weather, tho it's also not so good for working outside. I was at a BBQ yesterday where the host got some sunburn even tho he covered himself with blockout. Which is why the local Cancer Council shop sells a long-handled applicator for getting cream on hard-to-reach spots. more practically, I'm wishing you a few more chickadees, or a gi-normous flock of them to block out the snow sandra |
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30 Jan 11 - 12:24 AM (#3085063) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: ChanteyLass I'm joining Jacqui.c and others in wishing for an early spring in Maine so work on the yurt can progress. Besides, an early spring in Maine means the same in RI, right? However, I draw the line at wishing anyone a hot, humid summer! |
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30 Jan 11 - 03:00 AM (#3085091) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney most folks here love hot weather (I don't) & I've never met anyone who likes humidity. sandra (in a cooler summer evening after a milder summery day & hoping for similar tomorrow) |
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30 Jan 11 - 03:03 AM (#3085092) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: mouldy Oh Yes! After all the hard work they have put in to cope with whatever the weather's thrown at them, they are due some respite....NOW PLEASE! Andrea |
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30 Jan 11 - 03:47 AM (#3085100) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: My guru always said Sending warm Springlike thoughts to Maine and cooler, drier ones to Sydney! Hey, Bobert - how are you with building sheds/bunkhouses from scratch? We have the base, window & door. Also some salvaged roof timbers from the house they demolished next door. Should be a breeze, eh? Photos of base & conservatory here, sorry for thread drift Maeve! |
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30 Jan 11 - 11:08 AM (#3085261) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL It's about time to annoy that poor groundhog again. But every day it stays light outside just a bit longer. Spring is coming. (she mumbles as she knocks 100 lb icicles off the roof). Almost February. April isn't far behind, Daffodils and tulips and construction. Whoo Whoo Mary |
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30 Jan 11 - 11:14 AM (#3085264) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert '[t nuthin' to it, guru... Looks like you'll be putting a hip roof up which will work very well except for the valley which will more than likely be problematic when it rains hard... Might have to build a reflector to get the rain to not overshoot the gutters... B~ |
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30 Jan 11 - 12:03 PM (#3085276) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: jacqui.c I took a few photos. The roof light is amazing - can't wait to see it without the snow covering it. The walls are 10' high and then the ceiling tapers up to the light. The photos really don't do it justice. |
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30 Jan 11 - 12:09 PM (#3085279) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: GUEST (Please do not delete. Not Really A "Guest"..Maryrrf lost cookie) Lovely photos! When it's all finished, Maeve and TL are going to have a beautiful dwelling place. May they have smooth sailing for the rest of the journey. |
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30 Jan 11 - 12:10 PM (#3085280) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Ebbie Spring - in most places I have lived - has its own problems Mud, mud, and muddier. For working outdoors I much prefer a crisp 20 degree day. Some kind of balance between the two would be nice. |
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30 Jan 11 - 12:12 PM (#3085281) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: GUEST,kendall Being a traditional New Englander, I'm not easily impressed or excited, but I must say, this Yurt is something to behold! It will be a great place for a house concert.Like its owners, it just drips quality! |
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30 Jan 11 - 12:16 PM (#3085285) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Maryrrf Guest of 12.09 was me - cookie got lost. |
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30 Jan 11 - 12:44 PM (#3085302) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Janie Thanks for sharing the pics, Jacqui. |
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30 Jan 11 - 03:06 PM (#3085398) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve We had a really fine visit. It was chilly in the yurt, but we managed with hot coffee and tea, wonderful company, and some fine guitar playing from both Kendall and Jacqui. And yes; Jacqui asked us before posting the photos! Maeve |
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30 Jan 11 - 04:58 PM (#3085471) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: My guru always said Oh, it looks just wonderful, thanks for the photos Jacqui!! It really must be frustrating waiting for the right weather so you can start the sealing process, but you've obviously been making good use of the wait by getting the water sorted. Hope that it warms up for you soon and that you're able to get some proper rest!! POsitive thoughts! |
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30 Jan 11 - 05:23 PM (#3085484) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: mouldy It's beautiful, and the light's amazing! Andrea |
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31 Jan 11 - 12:43 AM (#3085679) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney wow! |
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31 Jan 11 - 08:07 AM (#3085800) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Thanks for the pics, jacqui.... Love it!!! B~ |
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31 Jan 11 - 11:09 AM (#3085907) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: katlaughing Love it! Think Spring! |
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31 Jan 11 - 07:02 PM (#3086233) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage What a beautiful ceiling and great building! |
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01 Feb 11 - 05:21 PM (#3086826) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: My guru always said That skylight will bring all the sunshine in to your wonderful home, what a fabulous design!! It's been getting lighter when I go to & from work and it was a little warmer today. Sending Spring-like thoughts your way! Bobert, that all went way over my head, much too technical *grin* Anyway, I'll pop some more piccies of the Conservatory on my Flickr over the next couple of days. They've managed to get the box-gutter tied to the Cottage now despite the building being a little too high as far as our slates are concerned. And the roof frame is going up *grin* Sorry for drifting again Maeve... |
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01 Feb 11 - 05:37 PM (#3086831) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Google up "hip roof", guru... Then look where the two planes intersect... That's called the valley which gets water from two planes, rather than one meaning twice the water... Think of it a s creek between tow hills... What happens at the bottom in a heavy rain is that with twice as much water coming down the valley as you'd have with a standard pitched roof that it tends to overshoot the gutter... So if you take a piece of sheet metal you can use that as a divertor to keep the water in the gutter... B |
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01 Feb 11 - 11:03 PM (#3086962) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Janie Hope the hatches are well battened down for you, as well as all the other Northeasterners. |
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02 Feb 11 - 04:02 AM (#3087034) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: My guru always said Thanks for that Bobert, looked & found some YouTube stuff which may come in handy Morning MaeveDear! Hope it's warming up for you & TL. I'm looking at snowdrops in the garden and the daffodils are poking their heads up too. Definitely Spring! |
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02 Feb 11 - 07:16 AM (#3087119) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Still in winter storm patterns here. Tucked in, yes. Spring,no. Likely not online much. Be well, y'all, Maeve |
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02 Feb 11 - 08:06 AM (#3087154) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney be warm! |
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02 Feb 11 - 08:11 AM (#3087159) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Bobert Great day to order yer seeds, maeve... |
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02 Feb 11 - 08:17 AM (#3087165) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Good idea, Bobert, for those who can. I trust those who can do so will enjoy the process. :) |
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02 Feb 11 - 10:48 AM (#3087269) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: jacqui.c Thinking of you now Maeve. Stay well. |
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02 Feb 11 - 12:24 PM (#3087339) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Dan Schatz Me too. Every time another storm gets predicted for your neck of the woods I make sure to check in on Mudcat and see that you've posted something. I know you have things under control, but I also hope you'll get out of there if things start to look at all dicey. You have many friends. See you in a few weeks, I hope. Dan |
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02 Feb 11 - 01:29 PM (#3087377) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: SINSULL I couldn't face digging out the car this morning so I called into work and went back to bed. Hope the snow is insulating your motor home. Keep warm. Mary |
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02 Feb 11 - 01:37 PM (#3087382) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve We're ok. Snow's been dropping at the rate of 2"/hour since it started this morning. Well banked, we're staying warm enough, thanks. |
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02 Feb 11 - 03:20 PM (#3087457) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Stilly River Sage maeve, your cold seems to have leaked out of Maine. Too bad the fact that cold escaped from there hasn't allowed it to warm a little for you! SRS |
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02 Feb 11 - 03:44 PM (#3087473) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Thank you all for your thoughts and ideas here. At 500 posts, this thread is becoming unwieldy. I have begun a new thread here: "It's a Yurt...Maeve & Truelove" Maeve |
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26 Feb 11 - 12:15 PM (#3103081) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Max Holy Moly that's a nice yurt. |
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26 Feb 11 - 12:23 PM (#3103087) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: maeve Why thank you, Max! I appreciate that. Maeve |
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26 Feb 11 - 08:07 PM (#3103310) Subject: RE: BS: New Beginnings - new foundation (maeve & TL) From: Sandra in Sydney how's the weather? |
