To Thread - Forum Home

The Mudcat Café TM
https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=134463
54 messages

48-bar jigs - recommendations?

21 Dec 10 - 05:35 AM (#3058359)
Subject: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Will Fly

Our ceilidh band occasionally has a caller with a penchant for dances which require 48-bar jigs. We know two or three but would like to get a grip on a few more.

Before I start trawling through my tune collections and trying a few out - and before I pick up a pen and start concocting my own - do you have any recommendations for 48-bar jigs with good tunes?

21 Dec 10 - 05:53 AM (#3058367)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Alan Day

Round Britain Jig by Roger Watson and Nigel Chippendale is a cracker.
I will send you the music over
Al

21 Dec 10 - 06:12 AM (#3058379)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Will Fly

Many thanks Al! Appreciated.

21 Dec 10 - 06:16 AM (#3058384)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Marje

"Random" and "Hexham Quadrille" (aka "I'll get Wed in my Auld Claes") are cracking tunes, as is Morgan Rattler, which is often played after Paddy Carey.
If you want any of these and can't track them down, let me know. I think the last two, at least, are in the Lewes Tunes collection.

Marje

21 Dec 10 - 06:18 AM (#3058385)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Leadfingers

One of our Local Pairings is 'The Seven Stars' and 'The Oyster Girl'
in D and G !

21 Dec 10 - 06:30 AM (#3058396)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Marje

Seven Stars isn't a 48-bar tune, though, is it? I know there is a third section that's sometimes added to the Oyster Girl to make it a 48-bar, although it always sounds a bit out of place to me.

Marje

21 Dec 10 - 06:33 AM (#3058398)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: The Sandman

behind the haystack, blarney pilgrim, banish misfortune, cook in the kitchen.

21 Dec 10 - 06:44 AM (#3058406)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Will Fly

Lovely - thanks all - and keep 'em comin' if you know others.

We do Paddy Carey and Morgan Rattler - sometimes each paired with something else, just to vary the mix. So, for example, we pair Paddy Carey with Herbert The Sherbert.

21 Dec 10 - 06:48 AM (#3058408)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: GUEST

The Sweets of May alternating with Dingle Regatta always works well! I prefer alternating tunes rather than doing one to death then changing, as seems to be the modern fashion!

21 Dec 10 - 06:49 AM (#3058410)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Bernard

"The Sweets of May alternating with Dingle Regatta always works well! I prefer alternating tunes rather than doing one to death then changing, as seems to be the modern fashion!"

That guest was me without a cookie!! Ooops!

21 Dec 10 - 06:51 AM (#3058411)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: greg stephens

A Trip to the Lakes rolls along nicely in G.

21 Dec 10 - 07:00 AM (#3058416)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Steve Shaw

Merrily kiss the Quaker.

21 Dec 10 - 07:02 AM (#3058420)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: terrier

Use any of your favourite 32 bar jigs played aabbab or aaabbb.

21 Dec 10 - 07:08 AM (#3058425)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Manitas_at_home

http://www.ceilidhsoc.org/music.html?_sn=&_skw=&_sg=48+Bar+Jig&_sr=&_sc=&_sk=&_sm=&_ssi=0&_ssi=1&Search=Search

21 Dec 10 - 07:24 AM (#3058431)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler

"Advice to the ladies" off Cock and Bull band's "Eyes closed and rocking" is a good one that can take a lot of variations without needing to go to a second tune.

21 Dec 10 - 07:26 AM (#3058432)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Will Fly

Use any of your favourite 32 bar jigs played aabbab or aaabbb.

Yup - been there and done that in emergencies! :-)

21 Dec 10 - 07:27 AM (#3058434)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Will Fly

Manitas - many thanks to the link for the Ceilidh Soc website. Now bookmarked!

21 Dec 10 - 07:58 AM (#3058451)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: GUEST,martin ellison

Hello

I'm not usually precious about these things, quite the opposite actually, but . . .

Couldn't help noticing that one of my tunes 'herbert the sherbet' listed here as a 48 bar tune. It isn't, it's 32 bars and always has been. I understand somone may have added an extra part to my original, which I heard once, didn't like much and was slightly miffed that it's been recorded under my title.

I suppose in the big scheme of things it really doesn't matter but if I play 'H the S' in a session and someone bursts in with this third part, thus grinding to a halt in the mess that ensues and tells me I'm playing it wrong then it rankles ever so slightly.

Highly strung diva rant over.

Martin

21 Dec 10 - 08:12 AM (#3058462)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Will Fly

Hi Martin Ellison - that's fascinating comment on "Herbert The Sherbert"! The tune was brought to us by the melodeon/sax player in our band, who independently goes to lots of festivals, Morris events, etc. - where he'd heard the tune in this version. I don't happen to have the sheet music that he dished out, so I don't know the origin of his copy. I'm seeing him tonight at a local carol concert in the pub - I'll ask him about it.

If the bastardised version is making the rounds as a 48-bar jig, no wonder it's galling for you - and my sympathies! Mmm.. is this the "folk process" at work? :-)

21 Dec 10 - 08:32 AM (#3058476)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Mo the caller

Apart from playing 2 part tunes aabbab you could always play the 3 part tune Galopede aabbcc (the dance of the same name is 32 bars so the tune is usually played aabc).
This brings with it the same danger of someone going onto autopilot and miscounting.

21 Dec 10 - 08:35 AM (#3058479)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: SteveMansfield

The Victorian tune known as 'The Abbots Bromley Horn Dance' may never have been actually used for the Abbots Bromley Horn Dance, but is a cracking 48-bar jig.

And 'Horizonto' by Paul James is also a great tune, although it should really be played by 1990-era Blowzabella at full tilt for best effect :)

21 Dec 10 - 08:44 AM (#3058483)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: The Sandman

Galopede as i remember it is in4/4,
to me that is as inappropriate as playing the siege of ennis to jigs
Merrily kiss the quaker is supposed to be a slide , although i think it works better played slower as a jig, and i do not like 32 bar jigs played as 48 when there are plenty of good 48bar jigs, it is desperation stuff, to do that to 32bar jigs.

21 Dec 10 - 08:49 AM (#3058486)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: clueless don

If you are willing to consider Irish tunes, Langstrom's Pony is a fine four part jig. Depending on which parts you play once and which twice, you should be able to get 48 bars out of it.

Now I'm waiting for people to say that it's really a Scottish tune.

Don

21 Dec 10 - 08:59 AM (#3058495)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Banjo-Flower

We use "A night on the gin"with "The Bedbreaker"
And    "Boanupstekker" with "The Jockanory Jig"

four excellent 48 bar Jigs from Peeping Tom CDs

Gerry

21 Dec 10 - 09:08 AM (#3058502)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Banjo-Flower

do you know these 2? the first I found in an ancient copy of the EFDSS
magazine and was written by a John Stapleford or Stapleton
the second I copied out of someone's book at a Whitby festival a few years ago I know it's a slide but it still works




X:1
T:Strawplaiter's Jig
M:6/8
K:d
A|\
D2d fed|B3 A3|g3 f3|e2d cBA|
D2d fed|B3 A3|A2e c2B|ABc d3::
A2A AFA|B2B BGB|A2A AFA|G2F E2G|
A2A AFA|B2B BGB|A2g f2e|ABc d3::
D2E F2G|A3 f3|e2d c2B|A3 f3|
g2f efg|f2e def|e2d cde|d6::

X:2
T:The Barrel Organ
M:12/8
K:G
D|\
G2e dcB F2E E2G|FGA DEF G2B D2F|
G2e dcB F2E E2G|FGA DEF (G3 G2)::
B|\
D2B g2B d2c A2B|cBc efe d2B G2B|
D2B g2B d2c A2g|fed Cba (G3 G2)::
G|\
fed c2e e2d B2g|fed cBA G2B d2g|
fed c2e e2d B2g|fed cBA(G3 G2)::

Gerry

21 Dec 10 - 09:12 AM (#3058505)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Banjo-Flower

Or these 4 sent to me a couple of years ago by Anahata


X: 10
T: Cream Pot, The (The Kern Staff)
Z: Edited to std ABC Anahata
Z: Also made similar to Brian Peters' version
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
S: William Vickers c1770
F: http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/
K: G
G2A B2c | dBd efg | G2A B2c | dBG AFD |
E2C CEG | F2D D2c BdB cAF |1 G3 A3 :|2 G3-G2D |
K:D
d2e f2g | afd ecA | faf ege | fdf ecA |
B2G GBd | c2A AcA | BdB cec |1(d3 d2) A :|2 d3 =c3 |
K:G
B2 g gdB | B2 g gdB | A2 A ABc | BAG AFD |
E2C CEG | F2D D2c | BdB cAF | (G3 G2) :|

X: 0
T: The Basquet of Oysters
Z: Anahata
N: From Johnny Adams, transcribed from Memory
N: It's probably in the VMP somewhere
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
K: G
P: A
B | d2g gfg | a2f d2B | c2c cBc | d2B G2B |
d2g gfg | a2f d2B | cBc d2B |1 G3 B2 :|2 G3-G2 |
P: B
d |Bcd Bcd | e2c e2c | ABc ABc | d2Bd2B |
ded Bdg | f2e c2e | ded cBA | G3-G2 :|
P: C
d | e2d B2G | AAA A2d | e2d cBA | GGG G2d |
e2d BAG | AAA A2d | e2d cBA | GGG G2 :|

X: 12
T:Four Seasons
M:6/8
L:1/8
Z:C.G.P
K:G
|:d3 BGB|dcB A2D|G2D A2D|dcB A3|
d3 BGB|dcB A2D|G2D A2D|BcA G3:|
|:FGF EFG|GFE F2D|FGF EFG|GFE F2A|
FGF EFG|GFE F2D|FGF EFG|GFE D3:|
|:ABA d3|ABA F3|ABA GAG|EFG F2D|
ABA d3|ABA F3|ABA GAG|EFE D3:||

X:2
T:the Feathers
N:A new sett.
M:6/8
R:Jig
%%RR_OriginalCollection:
%
O:Scotland
Z:Richard Robinson
Z:modified by Dave Holland
B:Aird's Airs and Melodies vol 3
K:G
D|\
G2G G2g| gfe d3| c2B A2G| FGA D3|
G2G G2g| gfe d2c| BAG DGF| G3 G2::
D2D D2d| dcB c2B| D2D D2c| cBA B2G|
G2G G2g| gfe d2c| BAG DGF| G3 G2::
A|\
TBAB G2A| TBAB G2A| BAG BAG| A2D D2A|
TBAB G2A| TBAB G2d| ecB AGF| G3 G2:|

Gerry

21 Dec 10 - 09:37 AM (#3058513)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Les from Hull

A regular set hearabouts is Blarney Pilgrim/Battering Ram, although sometimes in Yorkshire the first tune is termed Barnsley Pilgrim!

21 Dec 10 - 10:44 AM (#3058559)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Will Fly

What a great set of recommendations - excellent - and much appreciated!

21 Dec 10 - 11:14 AM (#3058573)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Lester

X:411
T:Weasel in the Grass
M:6/8
K:G
B2 B A2 B | AGG G2 d | efg dBG | BAA A3 |
B2 B A2 B | AGG G2 d | efg dBG |1 cAF G2 z :|2 cAF G2 ||
g | fed cBA | BGG G2 g | fed cBA | eAA A2 g |
fed cBA | BGG G2 d | efg dBG | cAF G2 :||
z | E2 E EDE | G3 G2 G | A2 A AGA | B3 Bcd |
edc edc | d2 B G2 B | A2 B c2 B | A2 G FED |
E2 E EDE | G3 G2 G | A2 A AGA | B3 Bcd |
edc edc | d2 B Ggg | fed cBA | G3 G3 ||

21 Dec 10 - 11:23 AM (#3058582)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Mo the caller

oh dear, I read '48 bar' and ignored 'jig' -sorry.

21 Dec 10 - 11:51 AM (#3058607)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: GUEST,martin ellison

"If the bastardised version is making the rounds as a 48-bar jig, no wonder it's galling for you - and my sympathies!"

Hi Will
Maybe that's a bit strong, not galling exactly just mildly irritating. I can live with it.
Martin

21 Dec 10 - 12:13 PM (#3058621)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Will Fly

After chatting to a band colleague this afternoon, it turns out that our sax player had got hold of some printed sheet music which credited you with themes A and B - and someone else with theme C. Whatever - it's a great tune, and I have to confess I'd never have known the story behind it. :-)

21 Dec 10 - 12:27 PM (#3058632)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: The Sandman

bloody outrageous sticking something on to someone elses work with out asking them, and then getting credited for the addition.
why dont they just write their own tunes

21 Dec 10 - 03:16 PM (#3058785)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Banjo-Flower

Any chance of someone posting "The Abbots Bromley Horn Dance"in ABC form please

Gerry

21 Dec 10 - 04:25 PM (#3058853)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: GUEST,SteveG

Somebody mentioned 'Cook in the Kitchen'. It goes nicely with 'Father Kelly's' but both in the same key.

22 Dec 10 - 04:42 AM (#3059141)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Lester

X:5
T:Abbots Bromley Horn Dance
M:6/8
L:1/8
K:Em
e|B2 e G2 e|B2 e E2 G|FGA GAB|AGF G2 e|
B2 e G2 e|B2 e E2 G|FGA GAB|AGF E2||
e|c2 c cde|A2 A ABc|FGA GFE|DEF B,2 g|
e2 e efg|c2 c cde|dcB AGF|E3-E2||
z|BcB c3|BcB e3|BcB AGF|E3 E2 z|
BcB c3|BcB e3|BcB AGF|E3 E2 z||

Not sure what key is "normal" I play it in Em because I have a melodeon :)

22 Dec 10 - 05:23 AM (#3059155)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: treewind

In addition to Gerry/Banjo-flower's contributions on my behalf, may I also suggest:
"The Valiant" (by Simon Ritchie)
"When Daylight Shines"
"The Alexander" (various sources, but we use the one from William Clarke of Feltwell's ms.) it's allegedly a bit of a bugger to play on the fiddle, but we manage on melodeon and English concertina
"Sally Sloane's" a.k.a. "Trip to Cottingham"

While I used to play 32 bar tunes AABBAB when I didn't know any better, it seems to me that many 48 bar jigs are fabulous tunes so it's a shame not to use them.

Also haven't Sweets of May and Dingle Regatta been done to DEATH?
(beginning to think that about Paddy Carey and Morgan Rattler too)

ABCs available on request
Anahata

22 Dec 10 - 05:47 AM (#3059176)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Banjo-Flower

Thanks for your help Lester its much appreciated

Gerry

22 Dec 10 - 05:52 AM (#3059177)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Lester

And to go before Anahata's suggestion of When Daylight Shines how's about Oats, Peas, Beans?

22 Dec 10 - 07:21 AM (#3059212)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler

Note that although usually played as 32 bars there is a 48 bar version of "The Oyster Girl".
In fact you need all 48 bars for the song!

22 Dec 10 - 08:35 AM (#3059233)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Banjo-Flower

I think The old Swan Band do a 48 bar version of "The Oyster Girl"called a"basquet of Oysters"

Gerry

22 Dec 10 - 08:56 AM (#3059248)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: SteveMansfield

Not sure what key is "normal" I play it in Em because I have a melodeon :)

My understanding is that it was originally published in the people's key of Gm, but is most often heard these days in Em as posted by Lester. I'm not at home so can't look it up, but a date of the 1860s comes to mind, & it's in Gm in one of those small yellow Fiddlers Tune Books by Peter Kennedy.

22 Dec 10 - 09:21 AM (#3059261)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: treewind

I think The old Swan Band do a 48 bar version of "The Oyster Girl"called a"basquet of Oysters"
That's the one you posted the ABC for a few messages back!

"Basquet" has the B music of the Oyster Girl as its B music, with a different A and C.

But the other 48 bar Oyster Girl is the usual Oyster Girl A and B with a C music that I suspect (as does Marje, apparently) comes from somewhere else, tacked on the end.

22 Dec 10 - 09:24 AM (#3059263)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Mr Happy

'small yellow Fiddlers' - the Suzuki method?? 8-)

22 Dec 10 - 09:42 AM (#3059274)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Banjo-Flower

"I think The old Swan Band do a 48 bar version of "The Oyster Girl"called a"basquet of Oysters"
That's the one you posted the ABC for a few messages back!"

I think I''rename it "Senior Moment"

Gerry

22 Dec 10 - 09:56 AM (#3059284)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Valmai Goodyear

I like putting Bang Upp (Lewes Favourites Tune Book) with The Bedbreaker (Lewes Favourites supplement).

Oats, Peas & Beans with When Daylight Shines (both in the Lewes Favourites Tune Book).

Tarantella Calabria or Calabrese (Lewes Favourites supplement - Ed Rennie brought it to one of our workshops and it's gone feral)

Sprando (ask Michael Curry, or I can send you a pdf)

Sally Sloan's Jig (Hardcore English) makes a good tune to follow Sprando.

Anything in the Lewes Favourites main tune book and supplement can be downloaded in abc, Noteworthy Composer and midi.

Tootle pip,

Valmai (Lewes)

22 Dec 10 - 10:51 AM (#3059318)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: treewind

"Bang Upp"

I knew there was a really good one I'd missed!

22 Dec 10 - 11:06 AM (#3059328)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: The Sandman

jackson frieze coat,paddy rafferty,pipe on the hob[a minor one]

22 Dec 10 - 12:25 PM (#3059389)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: The Sandman

heres a good one no49 in the proper oneills [green one]hare in the corn,. starts in g and ends in d

23 Dec 10 - 03:56 AM (#3059846)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Valmai Goodyear

New Sunderland Pier (Vickers). Many thanks to Matt Seattle for bringing that one to a Lewes workshop. It has a series of enormous joyful leaps in the C music.

Is it a coincidence that a lot of the English 48-bar jigs are in D?

Valmai (Lewes)

23 Dec 10 - 08:21 AM (#3059935)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: SteveMansfield

Is it a coincidence that a lot of the English 48-bar jigs are in D?

Here's a totally off-the-top-of-my-head-theory - as so many 48 bar tunes
either change key up/down a fifth, or go into the relative minor, in the B part, many 48 bar tunes start in D so that the B part is in one of Em, Bm, or G, and therefore in an 'easy' key(*) so that most instruments can keep playing all the way through?

* (yes I know D or G isn't an easy key on the Ab Pedantophone)

23 Dec 10 - 08:51 AM (#3059973)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: IanC

Dingle Regatta works well, and there's an Irish 3-bar version of "The Quaker's Wife".

:-)

23 Dec 10 - 08:51 AM (#3059974)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: IanC

3 part!!!

26 Dec 10 - 01:30 PM (#3061566)
Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Banjo-Flower

Monty Python AKA Liberty Bell may be worth looking at just to see the look on people's faces when the penny drops

Gerry