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31 Dec 10 - 05:10 AM (#3064314) Subject: RT OBE From: el_punkoid_nouveau Just browsing through this year's Honours List, and was mildly gobsmacked to find that Richard Thompson has been awarded an OBE. About time too! epn |
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31 Dec 10 - 05:21 AM (#3064319) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: BobKnight I think Dougie Mclean got one too. |
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31 Dec 10 - 05:25 AM (#3064321) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: Leadfingers And only TWO Richard Thompson songs at Maidenhead last night |
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31 Dec 10 - 06:23 AM (#3064333) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: Bonnie Shaljean About time too. Congratulations to a huge talent who has stood the test of time. |
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31 Dec 10 - 06:40 AM (#3064336) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: GUEST This is realy great news. So pleased that such a unique talent has been regognised . Next, a Knighthood for Martin Carthy please. |
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31 Dec 10 - 07:04 AM (#3064342) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: John MacKenzie I would guess that Martin's personal integrity would make him turn down such an offer. Still you never know, the folk world is becoming more academic and establishment these days, isn't it? |
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31 Dec 10 - 08:03 AM (#3064358) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: Acorn4 Brilliant news! this has somewhat restored credibility in the honours list for me after year of not being able to recover from "Sir Mark Thatcher"! |
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31 Dec 10 - 08:42 AM (#3064372) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: alanabit Martin Carthy took a gong a few years ago, I believe. I am sure that he likes the establishment little better than you or I do John. As far as I am concerned, it does not reduce his credibility one iota though, because I am sure he would see it as a recognition of the importance of folk music in our culture. The system is pretty unlovely, I will concede that willingly. However, it is the only one which recognises outstanding achievement at a national level - ostensibly on behalf of all the people. That is why I am glad that Richard Thompson has got the OBE after a lifetime of achievement. |
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31 Dec 10 - 08:43 AM (#3064373) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: MoorleyMan Yes, Dougie Maclean too. Complete NYH list is available at the London Gazette website. |
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31 Dec 10 - 08:45 AM (#3064375) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: mikesamwild Both RT and MC should be Sirs |
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31 Dec 10 - 08:46 AM (#3064376) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: John MacKenzie A L OBE aka Annie Lennox OBE Hipsters flipsters, and finger poppin' daddies, lend me your lobes |
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31 Dec 10 - 09:45 AM (#3064409) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: Doug Chadwick ......this has somewhat restored credibility in the honours list for me...... What credibility? DC |
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31 Dec 10 - 10:03 AM (#3064418) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: John MacKenzie The bread and circuses ploy still works, Doug :) |
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31 Dec 10 - 10:26 AM (#3064432) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: Amos Overtaken By Events??? |
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31 Dec 10 - 11:09 AM (#3064457) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: John MacKenzie Once Before Exit, Amos |
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31 Dec 10 - 11:10 AM (#3064461) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: Jim McLean Hamish Henderson, to his credit, refused to be 'honoured'. |
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31 Dec 10 - 11:14 AM (#3064464) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: open mike what's it really stand for ? OBE |
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31 Dec 10 - 11:24 AM (#3064467) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: JohnB Brilliant! JohnB |
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31 Dec 10 - 11:33 AM (#3064472) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: John MacKenzie Order of the British Empire [said empire now defunct] |
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31 Dec 10 - 11:35 AM (#3064476) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: Mick Tems Richard Thompson is and was my exquisite songwriting hero, ever since we were both teenagers. I'm really glad he has been awarded the OBE - if you can infiltrate the establishment, it makes it so much easier to destroy it. |
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31 Dec 10 - 12:00 PM (#3064497) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: GUEST,glueman I don't think a party tea and a shiny medal gain access to the establishment for nefarious purposes or otherwise. It's generally an acknowledgement that a performer is still alive despite popular belief. |
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31 Dec 10 - 12:10 PM (#3064503) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: GUEST,Palinurus Isn't Martin Carthy already similarly recognized? (What's the difference between MBE and OBE, asked the American . . .?) Personally, I think both RT and MC should be knighted. That ought to put an end to chivalry once and for all . . . |
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31 Dec 10 - 12:43 PM (#3064527) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: Lonesome EJ What's the main perk about a knighthood? Front row seat at the Jousts? |
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31 Dec 10 - 12:55 PM (#3064539) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: theleveller Oh, Bloody 'Ell! |
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31 Dec 10 - 01:00 PM (#3064542) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: G-Force I believe OBE is Officer of the Order of the British Empire. MBE is Member of the Order of etc . . . |
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31 Dec 10 - 01:12 PM (#3064551) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: GUEST,Doc John ... and CBE, Commander etc. How I envy you Americans and Continentals who don't have to put up with this crap. And how I admire those who refuse such pigs round the trough farce. |
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31 Dec 10 - 02:48 PM (#3064603) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: Pete MacGregor MBE Mediocre / Moderate/ Magnificent / Media Friendly British Entertainer OBE Ordinary / Obscure / Overseas Resident British Entertainer CBE Competent / Crap / Classy British Entertainer According to taste. Suggestions welcome. Most seem to be put forward by various time-servers and courtiers in Westminster. I expect even the Tory-Lite party (prop. Nick Clegg) get to pick a few. Happy New Year! Pete |
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31 Dec 10 - 05:53 PM (#3064682) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: Bonzo3legs Predictable Mudcat negativity!! |
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31 Dec 10 - 06:01 PM (#3064685) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: GUEST,Ed It's quite ashtonishing how bitter and negative some of you are. Richard Thompson would wipe the floor with you in singing, writing and playing, yet you need to moan. Shame on you, frankly. |
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31 Dec 10 - 07:47 PM (#3064727) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: Tootler Well said Guest, Ed. The honours system is hugely flawed. Too many gongs handed out to people for just doing their jobs rather than for something special or over and above the call of duty. This is especially true of many awards to politicians, career civil servants and local government officers among others. However there are many who are recognised in the honours lists for doing something special and we should give credit where credit is due. Richard Thompson deserves his award as his contribution to the musical life of this country is highly significant, so congratulations to him. |
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31 Dec 10 - 09:12 PM (#3064775) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: Andy Jackson I agree wholeheartedly with the last three posters. Why are Mudcatters so bloody miserable, I keep meaning to abandon this forum for the friendlier world of Facebook. I stay because of the wider world but God aren't most of you just bloody miserable. Give credit where it's due, many recipients of Honours are hardworking special people who make our lives all the richer for being in it, what harm does it do to acknowledge that? |
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01 Jan 11 - 01:54 AM (#3064854) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: singleton Excellent choice! |
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01 Jan 11 - 06:26 AM (#3064905) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: GUEST,Doc John Well, look what happens every year: knighthoods for billionaire businessmen and senior civil servants, honours for the already wealthy sportspersons and entertainers; but note in the latter case it is always for their charity work. Of course there's the usual lollypop lady and subpostmaster, just to show how egalitarian we are. Look at the sirs this year: the chairman of BA and of the CBI. Remember that that latter organisation said that unions were no longer relevant and opposed the minimum wage. Would you like to be even in the same room as such people? The Order of Merit would seem to be a good ideas as it's limited to 24 of the most outstanding people; Roger Penrose, Lucien Freud and David Attenborough are all OM's. However, even this honour is tainted when you consider that so are the Duke of Edinborough and Prince Charles. For contribution to rascism,adultery and stupidity no doubt. |
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01 Jan 11 - 07:31 AM (#3064928) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: GUEST,Neil Howlett "Sir Mark Thatcher" is an title inherited from his late father (Denis) who was (unusually) granted a non-life baronetcy. It has nothing to do with his personal qualities (if any). |
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01 Jan 11 - 08:50 AM (#3064966) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: GUEST,Linda Kelly My brother has an award for services in Kosovo. Do I agree with the awards -no Am I proud of him -yes. I would give every miner and every trawlerman an award every steelworker, soldier and everyone who has grafted laboured and endeavoured in this country's service. Celebrities? no I don't think so. |
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01 Jan 11 - 08:58 AM (#3064967) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: Peter the Squeezer openmike asks "what's it really stand for ? OBE" Other Bugger's Efforts Not that this applies to Mr Thompson, of course. |
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01 Jan 11 - 09:36 AM (#3064980) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: Edthefolkie An old friend of mine is a CBE. I suspect he got the gong because he used to be in a job which involved reading lots of letters written in green ink. Unfortunately these sometimes resembled certain postings on this august organ. Seriously, he got it because he stuck his neck out. He raised the profile of the organisation in his care greatly with the public, and also extracted large sums of money from various bodies. He accepted the CBE as a recognition of what his whole team had done during his tenure - like Richard Thompson, he's a modest man. I think it's wonderful that Richard's been recognised in this manner - in my book it's recognition by his own country for somebody who has stuck to his guns and ploughed his own furrow for about 40 years now. And who remains a decent human being. |
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01 Jan 11 - 10:03 AM (#3064992) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: The Sandman Richard Grainger shOuld get an MBE |
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01 Jan 11 - 03:44 PM (#3065156) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: Pistachio I am biased but: My Mother got her 'Mum's Best Effort' award in 1995 after 30 years helping with and organising endless good, necessary, unpleasant and sometimes thankless deeds within the WRVS (Womens Royal Voluntary Service) in Central Scotland. I am so immensely proud of her. She even got my late Father to sign up and assist where he could simply by driving people from A to B. Some people do magical things - because of the way they organise their lives and use their time. I believe Messers Thompson and MacLean should be recognised. 'We' have been touched by their magic and best efforts. Appreciation shown should please us - so let's keep up the feelgood factor. There's enough stuff to moan about but please, not here. Congratulations Gentlemen; and I apologise for omitting the amazing Annie Lennox. Wow, TWO Scots. Excellent. Hazel. |
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01 Jan 11 - 04:08 PM (#3065179) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: buddhuu Richard Thompson is great. Dougie is great. Both deserve whatever recognition they get. That said, archaic imperial orders are, IMHO, a disappointing form for that recognition to take. I have more respect for people who have the depth of character to reject such "honours" and their associated baggage. The excellent Benjamin Zephania nailed it: 'Me?' I thought, 'OBE me? Up yours,' I thought. |
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01 Jan 11 - 05:44 PM (#3065225) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: Tattie Bogle JoLoMo too: I like his colourful paintings. Mind you, when I was doing obstetrics OBE meant OIL (Castor) BATH and ENEMA! |
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02 Jan 11 - 06:57 AM (#3065466) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: Ed Jones Buddhuu makes a good point. Also, the Honours system props up the Establishment; by accepting 'sweets' the recipients lick the hand that feeds them and less likely to oppose 'those' above them. The Sirs look down on the CBEs and the CBEs look down on the MBEs and all look up to the Lords and Ladies and eventually to the Monarchy. This country and its people will only grow up when the Honours system and with it the unelected House of Lords and the Monarchy, are discarded like old musty clothes. |
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02 Jan 11 - 07:05 AM (#3065468) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: theleveller I agree that the honours system is archaic and unrepresentative, especially the different 'levels' of award and its support of the irrelevant monarchical hierarchy. The people who gain the awards often, no doubt, thoroughly deserve them (others of course, manage to buy them). What I would suggest is something like a Community Service Award, with nominations coming, not from political cronies, but from local communities and interest groups. |
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02 Jan 11 - 10:43 AM (#3065549) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: DMcG Browsing through the list of OBEs, I came across "EVANS, Carole, Mrs., Grade 7, Head of Contact Centre, Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency, Department for Transport." Grade 7??? What on earth is her grade published for? It looks to me as if no-one really bothered to read the entry. Which rather diminishes the whole system even further. |
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02 Jan 11 - 10:46 AM (#3065550) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: Mr Red How I envy you Americans and Continentals Ah! Why not the Hollywood system of schmoozing and Oscars? And the humungous cost of political patronage just to get two (or more) candidates to the point that even more money is needed to decide which one is going to run the country? All countries acknowledge their respected luminaries. Though how luminous they might be begs a lot more questions. And their is always the problem of "not being what it was" and Folk is what exactly? By definition - By statistics? "Old Songs". There is a generation that don't know that "Down where the Drunkards Roll" was written in living memory. To them the intervening 40 years is a lifetime since (if not 2). And the word Bodhran is what? 60 years in common usage. (Ignore the Gaelic dictionary - it gave no definition 100 years ago). |
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02 Jan 11 - 10:57 AM (#3065553) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: GUEST,^&* And the word Bodhran is what? 60 years in common usage. (Ignore the Gaelic dictionary - it gave no definition 100 years ago). Sorry for the thread creep but - it did c.f. Dineen 1904. Can't check the earlier ones at the moment. That said, "60 years in common usage" is , if anything, an overestimate. |
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02 Jan 11 - 01:29 PM (#3065637) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: Jim McLean I wonder if bodhran is cognate with the Scottish Gaelic word/root bodhrad 'a degree of deafness'. |
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02 Jan 11 - 05:01 PM (#3065797) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: GUEST,Alan Whittle I wonder if you get any free stuff with it - the OBE that is, not the bodhran. |
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02 Jan 11 - 05:38 PM (#3065825) Subject: RE: Richard Thompson - OBE From: GUEST,^&* Jim Yes, I'm sure it is. The root word in Irish Gaelic would be, in modern spelling, bodhar,pronounced "bower", meaning "deaf". |