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09 Jan 11 - 08:40 PM (#3070948) Subject: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Rapparee Well, what do you think? r myb w dnt nd thm? |
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09 Jan 11 - 08:46 PM (#3070950) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Ed T m y b n t, R pp r |
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09 Jan 11 - 08:52 PM (#3070956) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: bobad fckng rght! |
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09 Jan 11 - 08:52 PM (#3070957) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: gnu I nd a gd vl mvmnt nd thn. |
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09 Jan 11 - 09:09 PM (#3070965) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Bee-dubya-ell Hrd t ply Scrbbl wtht vwls. |
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09 Jan 11 - 09:12 PM (#3070968) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: GUEST,leeneia Of course we need them. Guess what this means: Th cts n th ct n th ct. The cat's on the cot in the city. |
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09 Jan 11 - 09:15 PM (#3070969) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: frogprince "I nd a gd vl mvmnt nd thn." Woll this di, gnu? |
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09 Jan 11 - 10:14 PM (#3070994) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Bobert Sorry, don't do absent letters fir like, ahhhh, fun... I got spell check these days but as a lexdexic??? Leave the sumabicken' vowels out on all yer posts 'cause the sumabiches just confuzerate me... B~ |
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09 Jan 11 - 10:24 PM (#3071002) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: mousethief W'd lv t s hr cnt. |
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09 Jan 11 - 11:16 PM (#3071017) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Anglo You're all too conservative. In written Welsh, w and y are vowels as well. Lose those too. |
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10 Jan 11 - 05:39 AM (#3071136) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: GUEST,Grishka Typical BS. But, to make a sense of it: would it be possible to allow for longer thread titles, so that the most important vowels can be accomodated as well, and other sources of misunderstanding minimized? If the database cannot be "reorg'ed", a new field may be introduced containing short comments, to be shown on the main page. |
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10 Jan 11 - 06:23 AM (#3071158) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Dave MacKenzie Of course, there's always that dialogue from the Scottish Borders: ? , . ? , . ? , ? |
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10 Jan 11 - 06:24 AM (#3071160) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Dave MacKenzie Srry. Th lst qstn mrk shld hv bn fllstp. |
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10 Jan 11 - 10:00 AM (#3071290) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Will Fly Well - for starters - try this book, which doesn't use the letter "e"... Gadsby Sorry - should have said, "Wll - fr strtrs - try ths bk, whch dsn't s th lttr ""... |
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10 Jan 11 - 10:04 AM (#3071293) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Rapparee Y and W are sometimes vowels in English as well. Why? |
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10 Jan 11 - 10:51 AM (#3071326) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: quokka omg...wtf? |
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10 Jan 11 - 10:52 AM (#3071328) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Dave MacKenzie Y and W both have ambiguous origins, so whether they represent consonants or vowels is often a matter of chance. While in modern English convention a certain Roman's name would be written 'Gaius Julius Caesar', he would have have recognized CAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR - three letters that have expanded over the centuries into eight, though none of his Vs have become W or Is Y. |
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10 Jan 11 - 10:55 AM (#3071331) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: quokka srry...shld hv sd "mg...wtf?" r*flmf** |
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10 Jan 11 - 11:39 AM (#3071371) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: GUEST,leeneia Certain ancient languages (Egyptian, for one) developed systems of writing which had no vowels. For example, they might have a symbol which represent the 'syllable' k-t. But without the vowel nobody knew if they were trying to say cat, kit, cot, coat, or kite. So they added other symbols above or below the line to give a hint. (These hints are called determinatives, because obviously a linguist couldn't use an embarrassingly clear word like 'hint'.) I don't know the details, but I suppose there was a symbol which conveyed 'living thing,' so that when we saw k-t, we decided it was a cat. This system may have worked for people who only wrote about a limited number of things (kings, wars, gods, crops, livestock), but it obviously would get quite cumbersome in modern times. No, our writing may not be perfect, but we better stick with vowels. |
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10 Jan 11 - 12:16 PM (#3071400) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Uncle_DaveO Leenia, you didn't mention Arabic and Hebrew for the no-vowel list. Dave Oesterreich |
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10 Jan 11 - 12:24 PM (#3071408) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Abdul The Bul Bul nd hr ars nd bbs msthf h? l |
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10 Jan 11 - 02:17 PM (#3071493) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Gurney Well, I do! And punctuation too, so that I can read 'Swiftly and With Style.' |
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10 Jan 11 - 03:48 PM (#3071564) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Ed T What ever happened to the guy who couldn't say the letter "C", when we need him. |
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10 Jan 11 - 04:27 PM (#3071586) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Rapparee And the letter J. It just sort of crept in there when we were getting along swell with the letter I (a vowel). So J is a sort of bastard vowel. ss chrst, wht wll hppn nxt? |
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10 Jan 11 - 04:51 PM (#3071610) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: GUEST,leeneia Hi, Uncle Dave. I knew Hebrew didn't use vowels, but I think Arabic does, at least today. I was reading a book that showed how the tenses of verbs in Arabic are changed by changing the vowels. Anybody know any more about this? |
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11 Jan 11 - 03:45 AM (#3071908) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler If there's no J in Welsh how come there are so many people with the surname Jones? |
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11 Jan 11 - 04:22 AM (#3071914) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Dave MacKenzie I don't think I've ever seen Jones written in Welsh. My understanding is that Welsh surnames were a gift from the English government to the British people. |
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11 Jan 11 - 06:16 AM (#3071971) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Ed T What's the deal with "an historic"? |
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12 Jan 11 - 06:57 AM (#3072795) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: SPB-Cooperator h, s |
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12 Jan 11 - 07:34 AM (#3072817) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Ed T In most countries H is not pronounced, like it is in olde England.SO, why is an a not used? (A historic, instead of an historic) Let h's rot in hell, he said with an Hallelujah chant :) |
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12 Jan 11 - 10:10 AM (#3072921) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Rapparee Always sound your haitches! It shows good breeding and correct pronunciation -- and one day you might hear the Queen say, "'ey, 'enry! There's kippers fer tay!" |
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12 Jan 11 - 06:08 PM (#3073338) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Ed T Well, where do Jehovah's Witnesses stand on YEC and creationism? Many may say, who cares, why do you ask? I dunno, I was just curious as to just how many "non mainstream" religions support it.I know, it is only a minor sampling of one. But, some of the articles from Eatchtower and Awake are quite dismissive of the concept (not that they do not have their own ideas, that one could question, if one had the time, or interest). Regardless, even the Jehovah's Witnesses seem to be "very down" on creationism and YEC (according to this article , anyway. So, you don't have to "take them on" on this topic when they come to your door:) Jehovah's Witnesses and creationism |
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12 Jan 11 - 06:10 PM (#3073341) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Ed T OOPS, parked it in the wrong place:( |
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12 Jan 11 - 06:24 PM (#3073352) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Dave MacKenzie Not quite, Ed. They only say Jehovah because the original masoretic text didn't acquire vowels for nearly a millenium by which time the standard Western version had guessed that they were e-o-a. |
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12 Jan 11 - 06:44 PM (#3073375) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: Ed T "J is a consonant in English, but some nations use it as a vowel --than which nothing could be more absurd. Its original form, which has been but slightly modified, was that of the tail of a subdued dog, and it was not a letter but a character, standing for a Latin verb, _jacere_, "to throw," because when a stone is thrown at a dog the dog's tail assumes that shape. This is the origin of the letter, as expounded by the renowned Dr. Jocolpus Bumer, of the University of Belgrade, who established his conclusions on the subject in a work of three quarto volumes and committed suicide on being reminded that the j in the Roman alphabet had originally no curl." Ambrose Bierce quotes (American Writer, Journalist and Editor, 1842-1914) |
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13 Jan 11 - 12:12 PM (#3073774) Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Wht d y mn?? |