13 Feb 11 - 09:07 PM (#3094732) Subject: Lyr Add: The Shepherd's Daughter From: Nigel Parsons Having searched for this by both title, and distinctive line "A shepherd maid"" It appears not to be in the DT This version is from: "English Folk-Songs for Schools" (Curwen Edition 6051) collected and arranged by S Baring Gould, M.A. and Cecil J. Sharp, B.A. A shepherd maid to London came, Her feet her there did bring. She hasted to the King's palace, And knock-ed at the ring. Line, twine, the willow and the dee. There was no servant in the hall, Nor noble heard the din, And so there came the King himself, And let the fair maid in. "What would'st thou have of me?" he said, "Oh, what dost seek?" said he. "Thou hast a man in thy fair court, That hast a robbèd me." He hath not robb'd me, gentle sir, Of purple or of pall, But he hath stol'n my heart away, Which grieves me most of all." "How dost thou know this robber knight, What dost thou know him by?" "By his locks which are as yellow wheat, And by his bright blue eye." "Oh! if he be a married man, I'll hang him on a tree, But if he be a bachelor His body I'll give thee." The King he call-ed down his men By one, by two, by three; Sir William once was first of all, And now the last came he. Then he held out full fifty pound All wrappèd in a glove, "Fair maid, I'll give the same to thee; Go seek another love," "Oh! I want nothing of thy gold, Nor nothing of thy fee, But I will have thy body whole, The King hath granted me." "A shepherd's maiden tho' I was, My heart if left but free, I ne'er had come to London town, To ask of aught from thee." He set her on a milk-white steed, Himself upon a grey, And forth he rode with the shepherd maid, From London town away. The very first town they came unto, He bought her a golden ring, the very next town they came unto, He made her a gay wedding. Line, twine, the willow and the dee. As with other songs from this songbook, if someone wishes to add the ABC, I can scan the dots. I can't be sure whether Line, twine, the willow and the dee. is intended to be only at the end of verses 1 & 12, or after every verse. |
13 Feb 11 - 09:37 PM (#3094743) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Shepherd's Daughter From: Artful Codger John Roberts and Tony Barrand sang a similar song titled (if memory serves) "Knight William and the Shepherd's Daughter." It tells the backstory as well. The knight is forced by the king to marry the shepherd's daughter, though quite unwillingly: "Oh God forbid, oh God forbid, o God forbid," cried he;And there the song ends. Ah, another evil Willie. |
14 Feb 11 - 09:05 AM (#3094992) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Shepherd's Daughter From: Snuffy In the Young Tradition's version of Knight William, she turns out to be really a duke's daughter. |
14 Feb 11 - 09:29 AM (#3095006) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Shepherd's Daughter From: MGM·Lion Child 110, The Knight & The Shephersd's Daughter. You will find a version thus titled, incl elements of yours above, incl the chorus, but without her being "a duke's daughter & he but a squire's son" as rendered in some versions like the YT's mentioned above, on my youtube channel ~~ http://www.youtube.com/user/mgmyer tune IIRC from Dave Burland, words collated. ~Michael~ |
14 Feb 11 - 09:35 AM (#3095010) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Shepherd's Daughter From: GUEST,leeneia "Ah, another evil Willie." A perspicacious observation, Artful. This creeping anti-willie-ism! It's not fair! |
14 Feb 11 - 09:35 AM (#3095011) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Shepherd's Daughter From: MGM·Lion Several versions in DT in fact, as The Knight & The Shepherd's Daughter. ~M~ |
14 Feb 11 - 12:20 PM (#3095104) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Shepherd's Daughter From: RTim Here is a version of The Knight & The Shepherd's Daughter, collected by Dr. George Gardiner in Bartley, Hampshire from Gyspy and Wood Merchant - Albert Doe in 1909. I have augmented Doe's version with 3 verses (Verses 7 to 9 ) - from Alfred Emery Of Othery, Somerset, collect by Cecil Sharp April 1908. The story then makes more sense. Tim Radford ===================================== THE KNIGHT & THE SHEPHERDS DAUGHTER. (Doe H1320 - Child 110.) ItÕs of a shepherds daughter Kept sheep upon the hill And a squire he came riding by Of her he had his will - Twankum down in the dillo - Twankum down in the dillo, dillo day ItÕs now youÕve had your will of me Pray tell to me your name That when my baby it is born It might be called the same ItÕs some that call me Jack sweetheart And some do call me John But when I come to the kingÕs castle My name is Sweet William. He mounted on his milk white steed And over the valleys he rode She tucked her apron round her waist And ran by the horses side. She ran till she came to the broad water She bent her breast and swam And itÕs when she came to the land again She wrung her tails and ran. She ran till she came to the kingÕs castle She tapped all at the ring Who should be there but the king himself To let this fair maid in. . Good morning to you kind sire said she Good morning fair maid said he Have you got a Knight all in your house This day has a-robbed me. Have he robbed you any of your gold Or any of your store? Have he robbed you of your golden ring Which you wear on your little finger? He ainÕt robbed me of any of my gold Nor any of my store But he robbed me of my maidenhead That grieves my heart so sore. And if he is and a married man Hang-ed he shall be And if he is and a singe man His body IÕll give to thee. Then the king he called his merry men all By one, by two, by three Sweet William that used to be the very first The last man down was he. And then he took five hundred pound Tied fast all in a purse Saying you take this my fair pretty maid And I hope youÕre none the worse. IÕll not have your gold sweetheart Nor IÕll not have your purse But I will have your fair body For the king gave it to me. |
14 Feb 11 - 05:59 PM (#3095337) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Shepherd's Daughter From: Artful Codger I miscited the title John & Tony used on their album Spencer the Rover: it was also "The Knight and the Shepherd's Daughter." To RTim: Your quotes, apostrophes and such aren't viewed by most people the way you see them; they need to be escaped. See this thread: Entering special characters (FWIW, you probably have a similar problem with text posted by most Windows users, because they also fail to encode such characters.) Here's your text reposted, with the offending characters encoded: THE KNIGHT & THE SHEPHERDS DAUGHTER. (Doe H1320 - Child 110.) It’s of a shepherds daughter Kept sheep upon the hill And a squire he came riding by Of her he had his will - Twankum down in the dillo - Twankum down in the dillo, dillo day It’s now you’ve had your will of me Pray tell to me your name That when my baby it is born It might be called the same It’s some that call me Jack sweetheart And some do call me John But when I come to the king’s castle My name is Sweet William. He mounted on his milk white steed And over the valleys he rode She tucked her apron round her waist And ran by the horses side. She ran till she came to the broad water She bent her breast and swam And it’s when she came to the land again She wrung her tails and ran. She ran till she came to the king’s castle She tapped all at the ring Who should be there but the king himself To let this fair maid in. . Good morning to you kind sire said she Good morning fair maid said he Have you got a Knight all in your house This day has a-robbed me. Have he robbed you any of your gold Or any of your store? Have he robbed you of your golden ring Which you wear on your little finger? He ain’t robbed me of any of my gold Nor any of my store But he robbed me of my maidenhead That grieves my heart so sore. And if he is and a married man Hang-ed he shall be And if he is and a singe man His body I’ll give to thee. Then the king he called his merry men all By one, by two, by three Sweet William that used to be the very first The last man down was he. And then he took five hundred pound Tied fast all in a purse Saying you take this my fair pretty maid And I hope you’re none the worse. I’ll not have your gold sweetheart Nor I’ll not have your purse But I will have your fair body For the king gave it to me. |
14 Feb 11 - 07:54 PM (#3095397) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Shepherd's Daughter From: RTim Dodger - Your text looks identical to mine!! So as far as I am concerned - it's you with the problem. Tim Radford |
18 Feb 11 - 06:29 PM (#3098295) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Shepherd's Daughter From: Jim Dixon In RTim's text, I see Õ wherever there should be an apostrophe. And in both cases, the apostrophe in "shepherd's" is invisible! |
19 Feb 11 - 11:15 AM (#3098553) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Shepherd's Daughter From: GUEST,Shimrod Here's my theory about this ballad: Somewhere around the 15th/16th century the European royalty and nobility discovered the pastoral poetry of the Ancient Greek/Sicilian poet, Theocritus (c. 310 - 250 BC) - which was all about shepherds and shepherdesses poncing about in idealised rural landscapes. Once the said royalty and noblity had discovered this stuff they developed a voracious appetite for 'nouveau-pastoral' poetry (Sir Philip Sidney, Spenser, Drayton, Shakespeare etc.) and even resorted to dressing up as shepherds and shepherdesses and poncing about in real, but idealised, rural landscapes. Sometimes, in an effort to create the idealised landscapes to ponce about in, they first drove the ordinary inhabitants out of them - probably using force if necessary. Now of course, in those days, royalty and nobility didn't marry for love but in order to form alliances (they had mistresses and 'toy boys' for the romantic stuff). So perhaps the 'Shepherd's Daughter' really was a Duke's daughter and said Duke wanted to form an alliance with Knight William's family - but KW was too dim and befuddled with drink to take the hint. So the Duke says to his daughter: "Right, put on that 'Shepherdesses' outfit - you know, that outrageously revealing one that I usually forbid you to ponce about in - and go and wait for KW at the crossroads." So, the 'Shepherd's Daughter' accosts the befuddled KW (he is on his way home from the tavern) and says: "Well, hello, big boy, what a big horse you've got!" And you know the rest. |