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09 Mar 11 - 11:07 PM (#3110834) Subject: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Donuel By an illegal legislative decree, (a vote with no notification) Wisconsin repub politicians are poised to implement a shock doctrine of dissolving democracy and abolishing 135 years of workers rights. Beyond workers rights... It is a draconian power grab by corporations to take over the power plants, water systems and silence local goverments and towns by giving the Govenor the power to dissolve any municipal city or town government and give it to an individual or corporation to rule. People have taken to the streets in Wisconsin, Indianapolis, Lansing and even in Ohio. This Friday there is a planned national walk out of High School students. I truely beieve that this time Walker and the wealthiest 400 have tried to take a bridge to far. Rove and Koch Bros. are pouring money into TV commercials to lull people to put up with it and shut up about it. Its not working. Recalls are called for the Senators and one year from now the GOvenor of Wisconsin. The irony here is that the illegal repub vote to disband collective bargaining took place on the birthday of FDR's New Deal. This seems to me to have lit the short fuse of many American workers and the disenfranchised at long last. All the repub attacks are happening in the north since they have had total control of the south for some time. They already have the town Silver Spring in Georgia that was stripped of local control and sold to a corporation. Crazy laws are being considered in the dead of night across the country that will have deadly effects on democracy itself. I really believe this is the beginning of the next great worker revolt. |
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09 Mar 11 - 11:11 PM (#3110837) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Donuel When The new Wisconsin law says that the state will no longer be repondsible for disinfecting water that means that they are going to privatize tap water to corporations who may charge what they decree and turn off the tap as they see fit. This has been done elswhere. This has led to deadly demonstrations and revolts in Bolivia. The people finally won that bloddy battle. We do not need that kind of corporate take over and bloody wars here. |
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10 Mar 11 - 01:19 AM (#3110869) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Donuel The revoultion is not supposed to be televised but walkouts this friday will |
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10 Mar 11 - 01:25 AM (#3110874) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Little Hawk One reason we've seen uprisings by the general public in places like Bolivia, Tunisia, Egypt, and Lybia is that the average age of the public is quite young in those countries. Young people are not as easily suppressed as older people are, they are much readier to take to the streets and resist political oppression once things get bad enough. But I'm not saying it can't happen in North America. It just depends on how bad things get. |
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10 Mar 11 - 01:33 AM (#3110876) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Donuel I feel the fuse is lit. |
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10 Mar 11 - 01:45 AM (#3110879) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: michaelr Let's hope it continues to burn. The thing about popular revolts is that they are much more likely to succeed without much bloodshed in civilized countries like Egypt and Bolivia; less so in dictatorships like Libya and cleptocracies like the US, which are bound to crack down heavily. The US has made sure its military can't be opposed from within (which is why the 2nd Amendment needs to be repealed as an anachronism). The best course of action appears to be a General Strike after the European model. If the Republicans keep up their current course, they will soon create the ideal conditions for this. |
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10 Mar 11 - 02:09 AM (#3110891) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: J-boy I don't know how things will turn out but something is fermenting amongst the people. And that's for sure. I'm not one who casually believes in movements or idealogies but something is happening. I can feel it. |
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10 Mar 11 - 02:20 AM (#3110895) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Ebbie "They already have the town Silver Spring in Georgia that was stripped of local control and sold to a corporation. " That sounds interesting and I would like to read more about it. I know there is a Silver Spring in Maryland - right in your own neighborhood - but I don't find one in Georgia. When it was sold to a corporation, what happened to it? |
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10 Mar 11 - 02:36 AM (#3110903) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Donuel: "The irony here is that the illegal repub vote to disband collective bargaining took place on the birthday of FDR's New Deal." FDR was also opposed to the public employees unionizing...So was George Meany, First top guy of the AFL-CIO. So far as the federal public unions go, I remember a comedian, named Dick Shawn, who commented on this song, that, at the time, "....everybody thought was so 'heavy'..but not really. When everybody acted like it was a 'cosmic flash', most five year old's already knew this . GfS |
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10 Mar 11 - 04:23 AM (#3110935) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: akenaton You better hope the fuse goes out Don.....you think Gaddafi's few tanks are bad? Just wait till the drones start peekin in your window! |
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10 Mar 11 - 09:42 AM (#3111076) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Richard Bridge What was that about second amendment rights? |
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10 Mar 11 - 10:35 AM (#3111100) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: MarkS Well, yes, there is a revolution of sorts going on, but it is a revolution of the ordinary taxpayers. Seems they finally noticed the sweetheart deals many state workers got negotiating with prior elected governments. |
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10 Mar 11 - 10:38 AM (#3111102) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: GUEST,999 Ain't nothin' compared to the sweetheart deals the government people got and they just voted, not negotiated. |
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10 Mar 11 - 11:10 AM (#3111119) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Greg F. Also ain't nothin' compared to the sweetheart deals the Wall Street brokerages and the Corporations get, which in the aggregate, is multiple billions of dollars more than public employees receive. Its really starting to piss me off the shit public employees are taking based- as usual- on lies, distortions, delusions and bullshit-- the Four Horsemen of the TeaBaggers. But what pisses me off even more is that otherwise intelligent people seem to swallow this crap. |
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10 Mar 11 - 11:31 AM (#3111130) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: GUEST,999 Looking at this whole thing has made me hope we might hear from Big Mick. If you read threads at all, Mick, what's your take on this? |
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10 Mar 11 - 11:44 AM (#3111135) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Bill D Mick is likely right in the middle of it. Bad stuff is going on in Michigan too. |
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10 Mar 11 - 11:54 AM (#3111143) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: GUEST,999 Jaysus. Thanks, Bill. |
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10 Mar 11 - 11:59 AM (#3111148) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: olddude My original thought on the Wisconsin mess was they just wanted to re-negotiate because the state is out of money. Now I know it was just a union busting move .. nothing more ... lets get rid of that pesky negation stuff ... a throw back to the industrial revolution where the bands of Pinkerton's would bash heads because the workers wanted safe working conditions .. they won't be happy until we return to 25 cents an hour and obscene corporate profits everywhere. So lets start with state workers .. I am shocked and appalled at what is going on. Even more shocking is talking with friends I have that support that dictator Governor. Well wait until it is your turn, when your corporate bosses follow suite and everything you worked for your whole life it taken away because well ... they can my gosh how awful |
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10 Mar 11 - 12:08 PM (#3111155) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: olddude I have to head out to Wisconsin in a couple of days to meet a client. If I have time I will picket along with the others even though I don't live in that state ... My feeling now is other states will follow ... When I was in middle school a hundred years ago the teachers were so low paid that they actually qualified for food stamps ... the government won't be happy until we return to that I think ... The ex- governor of Michigan said when she cut 800 million from the state's expenses by working with the unions ... they understood the economy and made concessions. She said there was no reason at all for him to do what he is doing ... other than bust the unions |
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10 Mar 11 - 12:31 PM (#3111169) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: DebC Thanks, Dan. Deb Cowan |
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10 Mar 11 - 12:32 PM (#3111171) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Dorothy Parshall Gosh, olddude, I believe the corporate profits are already obscene and have been for eons. I am so glad to see people in the USA finally saying, "Enough. already!" |
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10 Mar 11 - 12:36 PM (#3111178) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: GUEST,999 I trust the Democrats who went missing thus denying the quorum necessary to pass the legislation will be remembered in the next election. And that the republicans will be remembered for their part also. |
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11 Mar 11 - 12:10 PM (#3111784) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: GUEST,999 Seems the workers` revolution has come to a screeching halt! |
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11 Mar 11 - 12:45 PM (#3111793) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Bill D It will no doubt be in the courts soon.... and recall petitions are circulating. |
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11 Mar 11 - 01:08 PM (#3111806) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Jeri The Republican senators' approval ratings are in the crapper, as are Walker's. They're being recalled (some, I don't know if all), they're being sued, and they look pretty bad to a large chunk of the country. I don't think it's over at all. |
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11 Mar 11 - 01:11 PM (#3111807) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: GUEST,999 Sorry to both Jeri and Bill. I meant that the thread was about to drop off the page. |
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11 Mar 11 - 01:45 PM (#3111835) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: ollaimh how about the sweetheart deal for the military inductrial complex--as well as the wall streeters? the m/i/c has been making a fortune by draging america into improper and illegal wars while flouting all civil and human rights. and on the backs of the poor who areexpected to fight. i certainly hope walker and the rep sens get recalled, its time to fight back against the right wing kooks who are draging american into the dirt and into backruptcy. the debt problems are directly the result of the rediculous military spending by the bush administration , with the biggest deficits in history and its time people stoped being fooled that the unions or obama is to blame, they are stuck with the mess but the bush years made it. |
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12 Mar 11 - 09:14 AM (#3112295) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: GUEST,999 About to derop off the page aagin. |
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12 Mar 11 - 10:38 AM (#3112344) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Amergin I'll tell you what is going to come of this...nothing. |
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12 Mar 11 - 12:55 PM (#3112438) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Greg F. The Republican senators' approval ratings are in the crapper, as are Walker's... Give the Boobocracy a fortnight- the approval ratings will rebound & they'll forget all about it as long as they get a fifty cent reduction in their annual tax bill. Mark my words..... |
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12 Mar 11 - 02:14 PM (#3112490) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: cujimmy I dont think this will be forgotten for a long time, ordiary American people are very angry and have every right to be, and looking on from the UK we know who is right and who is wrong - we dont have to listen to Fox news et al, were right behind. |
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12 Mar 11 - 05:35 PM (#3112606) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Don Firth Oddly enough (or perhaps not) most news services don't seem to be saying all that much about what's really going on in the country, or seem to be trying to make the Wisconsin thing look like some kind of minor local spasm. But—according to a lot of the e-mail I get (newsletters and such), AND from the LOCAL news, this Wisconsin thing is acting as a real wake-up call. What it breaks down to is that there are a lot of really pissed off people out there who have a pretty good idea of what's really going on, and they're not about to take it sitting down. Literally! They're on their feet. They're marching. There are rallies and demonstrations all over the country. And various kinds of protests, including a number of high school student walk-outs in support of teachers and teachers' unions and salaries. In a lot of ways, it's reminiscent of the late 1960s, only along with the students, there are a lot of older working people—or people who are not working, but would if there were any jobs. If you can't go punch a clock, you might be motivated to go punch a politician. I don't see much about any of these rallies and demonstrations in the national news services. Only in the local news and in my e-mail (MoveOn, AlterNet Headlines, Truthout, several others, including a couple of local groups, such as The Backbone Campaign). Maybe there is a very good reason why some Right-wingers are calling for regulation of the internet! The way the "trickle-down" theory works is that if you feel something trickling down, it's because some bloated fat-cat is standing on his pile of money and is peeing on your head. Don Firth P. S. Do I do anything other than just bitch here on Mudcat? Well, yes. It's pretty difficult for me (wheelchair and all) to participate in marches and rallies, or gather at Westlake Center in downtown Seattle or on the steps of the capitol building in Olympia, but I am in direct contact with my two Senators (Murray and Cantwell) and my Congressional Representative (Jim McDermott, with whom I have talked face to face on a number of occasions), and a couple of my State Legislators, one of whom is a neighbor. There is a Right-winger who plans on challenging Christine Gregoire for State Governor come next election. He's already gone on record as planning to emulate Wisconsin's Walker if elected and wipe out the unions. Maybe he should have kept his big yap shut, because his mouth has engendered a substantial backlash already! If he actually does run for governor, he's going to have a very rough ride! The voters have been warned early! So. Get crackin', folks!! |
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12 Mar 11 - 05:48 PM (#3112612) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Little Hawk "Maybe there is a very good reason why some Right-wingers are calling for regulation of the internet!" Darn right there is. The TV and radio mass media are pretty much under centralized control already, but the Internet isn't, so the government will be looking for ways to change that. In Egpyt and other Muslim states when social action really got moving, the government moved to shut down the Internet. They'll do that here too at some point if they feel they have to. |
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12 Mar 11 - 06:00 PM (#3112621) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: GUEST,999--long cut and paste but brilliant articl From CNN Opinion on the www. Editor's note: Nelson Lichtenstein is the MacArthur Foundation professor of history at the University of California, Santa Barbara, where he directs the Center for the Study of Work, Labor, and Democracy. He is the author of "The Retail Revolution: How Wal-Mart Created a Brave New World of Business" and editor, with Elizabeth Tandy Shermer, of the forthcoming "The American Right and U.S. Labor: Politics, Ideology, and Imagination." Santa Barbara, California (CNN) -- Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has won an important battle against public employees in his state, but the war -- and here we might justifiably call it the class war -- is far from over. By pushing through the state Legislature a bill stripping most public employees of their collective bargaining rights, Walker has become a hero to the Republican right. But the outcome of this legislative melodrama is turning out to be of secondary import to the larger shift in political sentiment that the Wisconsin events have set in motion. The irony here is that as Republican officeholders attack public sector unions in Wisconsin and other Northern states that were once union bastions, including Ohio, Idaho, Indiana and Pennsylvania, public support for collective bargaining remains strong. Just this week a Bloomberg National Poll found that 64% of respondents -- both Democrats and Republicans -- say public employees should have the right to bargain collectively for their wages. The Wisconsin events have energized unionists and liberal Democrats, whose activism and ideas are essential to any remobilization of the Obama forces. And the way we talk about unions -- and here I include the conservatives -- is beginning to shift onto a terrain that is much more favorable toward organized labor. Two years ago, unions took it on the chin when the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other anti-union groups spent millions on an advertising blitz that tarred organized labor as thuggish and boss-controlled. Wisconsin protesters forcibly removed Wisconsin: Governor Walker wins Wisconsin senate passes anti-union bill Wisconsin bill OKs curbs on bargaining The ad campaign succeeded in stymieing union/Democratic Party efforts to pass a law, the Employee Free Choice Act, which would have facilitated union organizing by making majority sign-up -- "card check" -- an alternative path toward rapid union certification. That would have bypassed the lengthy, employer-dominated election process during which workers frequently come under sustained and intense management pressure to vote against unionization. And in that same political season, the bailout of General Motors and Chrysler, traditionally unionized auto firms, generated an enormous backlash against the United Automobile Workers and other unions, which Republicans now labeled as special interest beneficiaries of the much-maligned stimulus. But that kind of rhetoric carries a lot less weight today. Although Walker labels his laborite opponents as "union bosses," the charge hardly resonates when tens of thousands of animated and determined schoolteachers, librarians, home health care workers and firemen fill the Statehouse rotunda and the surrounding streets almost every day. Opinion: Street theater obscures real issues Walker's real objection, and that of other Republicans, flows from the capacity of the unions to deploy their energy and dues to support politicians and causes that sustain the welfare state, tax the rich, and bedevil his party. The near-spontaneous demonstrations which have erupted in so many states are a good indication that many rank-and-file unionists enthusiastically back their own labor leadership. This is the kind of social energy and popular mobilization that was sorely missing from the labor effort to pass EFCA last year or rescue the auto companies from bankruptcy. In Wisconsin, labor and the Democrats are now channeling this revolt toward the potential recall of at least eight Republican state senators. So we are finally getting a liberal version of the social and political anger that last year characterized the Tea Party eruption. Likewise, the rhetoric deployed by conservative anti-unionists in the Wisconsin fight has actually conceded important ideological ground to the rest of the labor movement. Opponents of public employee unionism often make the argument that since these unions are politically active and sometimes help elect the very same public officials with whom they bargain over wages and benefits, unions like the National Educational Association and the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees sit "on both sides of the bargaining table." This was the argument recently offered by Wall Street Journal editorial board member James Taranto, a supporter of Walker. "It is a collusion and conspiracy against taxpayers," he declared on National Public Radio. To make his point, Taranto contrasted such bargaining in the government sector with that between unions and management in corporate America. There, said Taranto, "unions represent workers on one side of the table and management represents shareholders on the other side of the table. There is a clear conflict of interest and they work out an agreement." Precisely. And we should all be delighted that an influential conservative opinion-maker has made such a sterling argument for the existence of trade unionism in every privately owned workplace in the land. I hope executives at the Chamber, as well as Wal-Mart, Fed Ex and other firms that declare unions obsolete, are taking note. Indeed, if conflict between workers and their bosses is a prerequisite for the existence of trade unionism, then there is plenty of evidence that it exists in government employment as well. Right-wing assertions of a conspiracy between public employee unions and friendly officials represent a triumph of ideology over experience. Government officials, even those elected with union backing, have hardly been patsies when it comes to negotiations with state and municipal employees. We've had plenty of union-management battles in the public sector, going all the way back to the strikes of teachers, garbage collectors, and social workers who led the way to the formation of municipal unions in the 1960s and 1970s. And in more recent years, tough bargaining sessions, full of layoff threats and midnight deadlines, have preceded the compromises that are embodied in virtually every public employee collective bargaining contract. But it is not just a question of money or pensions. Anyone who has worked in a school, a government office, a firehouse or a police station knows that conflicts, petty and grand, exist between workers, their bosses, and the bureaucracy in which both are enmeshed. Unions are essential to represent workers at the bottom of this heap and to make the whole system work in more equitable fashion. The drama unfolding in the state of Wisconsin is educating Americans to this reality. The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Nelson Lichtenstein. |
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12 Mar 11 - 07:44 PM (#3112682) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Richard Bridge Can we have one in the UK please? |
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12 Mar 11 - 08:25 PM (#3112700) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Jeri From this article By TODD RICHMOND The Associated Press updated 1 hour 2 minutes ago 2011-03-13T00:13:32 MADISON, Wis. — Clogging the Wisconsin Capitol grounds and screaming angry chants, tens of thousands of undaunted pro-labor protesters descended on Madison again Saturday and vowed to focus on future elections now that contentious cuts to public worker union rights have become law. Protests have rocked the Capitol almost every day since Gov. Scott Walker proposed taking nearly all collective bargaining rights away from public workers, but the largest came a day after the governor signed the measure into law. Madison Police estimated the crowd at 85,000 to 100,000 people — along with 50 tractors and one donkey — by late afternoon. No one was arrested. |
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12 Mar 11 - 09:57 PM (#3112731) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Bobert Well, this civil war really began in 1980 with supply-side economics and so Boss Hog has had a 30 year run in which he has not only stolen from the working but disrespected him while doing it... Wisconsin will be seen as 1sr Manassas one day... Yeah, the South won that day but it was the beginning of the end for it... This was a very arrogant and stupid thing that the Repubs did in that it showed them to be mean spirited and not really caring about the success of the country... Bottom line is that a lot of folks are beginning to see the Repubs as a party that would rather control a failed state than be a minority partner of a successful one... Yes, the revolution is underway... I guess the question now is if and when folks like Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Rupert Murdock and Scott Walker will be shot... It no longer all that far-fetched... I'm not advocating it but it wouldn't surprise me either... I mean, students of history know how powerful it was for the right to have the left's leaders in the 60's assasinated... This is not at all lost on on the left... I'll do what I can tho not into shooting anyone but, hey, we on the left have had quite enough thank you... 30 years is long enough to be ruled by the ignorant... B~ |
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13 Mar 11 - 01:23 AM (#3112782) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: GUEST,999 To remember the loneliness, the fear and the insecurity of men who once had to walk alone in huge factories, beside huge machines—to realize that labor unions have meant new dignity and pride to millions of our countrymen—human companionship on the job, and music in the home—to be able to see what larger pay checks mean, not to a man as an employee, but as a husband and as a father—to know these things is to understand what American labor means. ADLAI STEVENSON, speech, Sep. 22, 1952 |
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13 Mar 11 - 07:38 AM (#3112836) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Bobert Excellent, brucie... You should put that on the "union" thread and let one particular participant who exhibits agoon/Boss Hog mentality read it... Some folks really have no knowledge of history or respect for the battles or fore bearers fought... B~ |
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13 Mar 11 - 11:08 AM (#3112909) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: GUEST,999 Power goes to two poles -- to those who've got the money and those who've got the people. Saul Alinksy |
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13 Mar 11 - 09:41 PM (#3113217) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: GUEST,999 The strongest bond of human sympathy outside the family relation should be one uniting working people of all nations and tongues and kindreds. Abraham Lincoln |
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14 Mar 11 - 03:05 PM (#3113658) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Little Hawk Good quote! |
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19 Jun 12 - 09:52 PM (#3365692) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Sawzaw Scott Walker won 38 percent of the vote among members of Union. But there is no joy in Mudville. Mighty Unions have struck out. |
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20 Jun 12 - 08:19 AM (#3365844) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Greg F. That's private industry unions, Sawz- not public employee unions. Apparently the lies and denegrations of public employees Walker and the TeaPotty have been vomiting worked on the jealousy of a good number of blue-collar union members who have been getting screwed over for years. Dylan had something to say about this: While one who sings with his tongue on fire Gargles in the rat race choir Bent out of shape from society's pliers Cares not to come up any higher But rather get you down in the hole That he's in (emphasis mine) |
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21 Jun 12 - 11:22 AM (#3366231) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Sawzaw Gee, so cheerful. |
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21 Jun 12 - 01:39 PM (#3366302) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Bobert Bottom line??? When Reagan busted the Air Traffic Controllers Union he all but wave a green start flag for corporations to follow and follow they did... Not long after that just about every airline out there filed for bankruptcy, even though they never stopped operation, and with the aid of the courts busted up on airline pilots... Right now an entry level airline pilot makes about the same money as a assistant manager at McDonald's... Then it was the hospitality workers in California and the auto workers in Michagan and the... And the... Union membership is down to less than 10%... At it's peak it was around 35% in the 1950s when the middle class was being built... Now the middle class is slowly being dismantled... With the latest ALEC union busting that has occured where ever Republicans could pull it off, that dismantling has accelerated... Bottom line??? 1/2 of Americans live at *or below* 125% of the poverty threshold... (Charlotte Observer, September 2011) and 64% of Americans could not come up with a $1000 if they had to (NBC evening news)... And we all have Reagan to thank for starting the beginning of the end of the middle class... B~ |
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25 Jun 12 - 11:12 PM (#3368047) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Sawzaw "Union membership is down to less than 10%... At it's peak it was around 35% in the 1950s" "1/2 of Americans live at *or below* 125% of the poverty threshold... (Charlotte Observer, September 2011) and 64% of Americans could not come up with a $1000 " But Bobert, I thought you said stats were for losers. And "You ain't gonna hear a bunch of stats outta me 'cause I don't need 'um" Have you changed your mind? Now you need stats to prove something? Bottom line is 38% of the union people voted for Scott Walker even after he was demonized by the unions. |
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25 Jun 12 - 11:19 PM (#3368048) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Stilly River Sage Sawzaw, you just dislike Bobert using stats when they disprove your argument. Interesting conversational gambit - trying to persuade the opposition to stop using the truth via facts. SRS |
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25 Jun 12 - 11:24 PM (#3368049) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Is that ALL unions, or private sector, or public sector unions? GfS |
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26 Jun 12 - 03:18 PM (#3368306) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Q (Frank Staplin) UFCW (private sector) currently asking: Statuary Holidays be preserved Stop blacklisting migrants Organizing Walmart Workers of Canada Stop Bill C-38 Fairness for Zellers workers in Quebec Equal rights for Ontario Agworkers Save our public services Retirement security for everyone and others Public Service Alliance of Canada Advance collective bargaining Against Bill-C-38 omnibus Protect union access to workplace Justice for aboriginal peoples Stop gutting of Parks Canada Stop privatization of Canada Post Stop pension grabs Save fish stocks Stop closure of prison farms Stop government from forcing Canadians to choose between strong public services and strong economy and others "A growing number of PSAC members work for private sector enterprises and in the broader public sector including universities, women's shelters and others." Why distinguish between public and private sector with respect to goals? Both want many of the same things. |
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26 Jun 12 - 03:25 PM (#3368312) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Q (Frank Staplin) Don't see any "worker revolution" in U. S. or Canada. Will change be engineered by middle class stockholders? |
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26 Jun 12 - 04:05 PM (#3368326) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Bobert Union membership (all sectors) is below 10%... That means 9 out of 10 workers do not belong to any union... The represents a drop of well over 200% since the 50s... Here's how the TeaPubs are going to try to sell their dismantling of the New Deal... Everyone over ____ years old will get to keep their Medicare and Social Security but those under that age will have their benefits cut... The is what is know as two-tiered... This pea-under-the-shell game was first used on the hospitatlity union in California and this is how the TeaPubs will try to ram it down everyone's throat... (How can they pull that off??? Isn't this the wealthiest country on the planet???) The right wing has been using a steady stream of carefully crafted BIG LIES for years to soften up the resistance... *** "We're broke!!!" *** "Social Security won't be around when I get to be 65..." *** "Both parties are the same..." *** "Unions are the problem..." *** etc, etc... The more the TeaPubs hear these phrases repeated the happier they get because they know that if they are going to kill the New Deal then they need the masses to be fully propagandized... They are getting close... B~ |
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26 Jun 12 - 07:27 PM (#3368414) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: gnu War. Yeah, one word, No explanation. No discussion. Watch it happen. |
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26 Jun 12 - 07:59 PM (#3368440) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Bobert The Repubs are one war away from extinction... If Ronmey is elected ity is certain he will get US into a war... And quick... Romney is a hot head... We have seen that over and over... If he get elected he will order up a new war within 90 days of being inaugurated... And you can take that to the bank... There is a part of me that thinks, "Gee, maybe this is what the stupid American people deserve" so that they will finally get it but... ...then I think about how much damage he could do... B~ |
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26 Jun 12 - 08:09 PM (#3368444) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: GUEST,999 Maybe he'll use drones. "In the rocket's red glare, The bombs bursting in air . . ." |
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26 Jun 12 - 08:17 PM (#3368448) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Bobert Nope, the Repubs have demonized drones so it will be "Shock & Awe" to keep Redneck Nation entertained... Well, until it's "boots on the ground" and then even Bubba will have had enough of the Repubs... B~ |
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27 Jun 12 - 08:51 AM (#3368594) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: GUEST,999 The Republicans have the morals of a cat in heat. They talk through many mouths, most not synchronized. They are war-mongering bastards, and many people know it. However, the Democrats aren't too far behind in the morals curve. The US seems to have found that the way to solve any economic crisis is to have a war. We know that that is stupidity, but it begs the question: why do US citizens allow it? In the words of a man who speaks for many generations, What did you learn in school today, Dear little boy of mine? What did you learn in school today, Dear little boy of mine? I learned our government must be strong. It's always right and never wrong. Our leaders are the finest men. And we elect them again and again. That's what I learned in school today. That's what I learned in school. |
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27 Jun 12 - 10:17 AM (#3368620) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Penny S. It does look as though the Republicans and our government are set upon the same path to get rid of the people they see as at the bottom of the heap. Penny |
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27 Jun 12 - 10:37 AM (#3368633) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Bobert Yeah, they call it "personal responsibility" but don't get around to mentioning that with their 30 year assault on unions the working class has been reduced to peasants... B~ |
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27 Jun 12 - 11:37 AM (#3368658) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: pdq By KRIS MAHER (Wall Street Journal) 23 JAN 2010 Organized labor lost 10% of its members in the private sector last year, the largest decline in more than 25 years. The drop is on par with the fall in total employment but threatens to significantly limit labor's ability to influence elections and legislation. On Friday, the Labor Department reported private-sector unions lost 834,000 members, bringing membership down to 7.2% of the private-sector work force, from 7.6% the year before. The broader drop in U.S. employment and a small gain by public-sector unions helped keep the total share of union membership flat at 12.3% in 2009. In the early 1980s, unions represented 20% of workers. Labor experts said theunion-membership losses would have a long-term impact on unions and their finances, because unions wouldn't automatically regain members once the job market rebounded. In many cases, new jobs will be created at nonunion employers or plants. "The bad news for unions is twofold. When times are bad they lose members, and when times are good they don't recoup those members," said Gary Chaison, a professor of industrial relations at Clark University in Worcester, Mass. The manufacturing sector and construction industries—both of which tend to be heavily unionized—were hit particularly hard in the recession by the credit crisis and global downturn, which damped demand for industrial goods. Private sector construction lost 237,000 union members, while manufacturing lost 253,000 union members, representing more than half of the loss of private-sector union jobs. The report caps a week of bad news for organized labor, as Democrats lost a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, dashing union hopes for passing legislation to ease union-organizing rules, and putting the union-backed health-care bill into question. Unions also suffered a big setback with a Supreme Court decision on campaign financing that removed limits on corporate spending. While unions are also free of certain limits, companies and business groups could outspend labor in the future. Some labor experts said labor's focus on politics came at the expense of organizing. "It's a year when the labor movement focused its energies on labor-law reform and health care," said Kate Bronfenbrenner, a Cornell University labor expert. With those issues on shaky ground, unions are now expected to focus their political energy on job creation, in hopes that new jobs will be union jobs. "We're focusing on job creation," said Josh Goldstein, a spokesman for the AFL-CIO. "And we need to make sure that workers have the ability to bargain and make sure those jobs are good jobs." Write to Kris Maher at kris.maher@wsj.com Copyright 2012 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved |
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27 Jun 12 - 01:41 PM (#3368734) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Greg F. Yikes, Bruce, I hadn't thought of "What Did You Learn In School" in years. God bless Tom Paxton, one of the true gems. "We Didn't Know" would also be apt, I think. I wish he was still manning the barricades, but fully understand "burnout". As Tom Leher reminded us: political satire became obsolete when Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. |
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27 Jun 12 - 11:24 PM (#3368935) Subject: RE: BS: The US worker revolution has begun From: Sawzaw "Sawzaw, you just dislike Bobert using stats when they disprove your argument." I have no problem with stats. It is the fact that Bobert the bellicose says "You ain't gonna hear a bunch of stats outta me 'cause I don't need 'um" stats are for losers and then he suddenly needs to use stats. |
