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16 Mar 11 - 11:48 AM (#3115004) Subject: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Mrrzy I guess if you're black and have no oil, nobody really cares. But that's my home we're not talking about... I spent the latter 15 of my first 20 years there, and just because I've turned 50 now doesn't make it not my home, somehow. |
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16 Mar 11 - 11:49 AM (#3115007) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Mrrzy News blicky. |
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16 Mar 11 - 11:59 AM (#3115016) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: SINSULL yes, Mrrzy. And Libya and Pakistan and Egypt and and and But I believe Japan has the bulk of our attention right now. |
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16 Mar 11 - 12:04 PM (#3115019) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,VaTam Sorry Mrrzy for the pain this is causing you. Human nature to grow more desensitised with each subsequent crisis. You link didn't work for me, so I did a google news search on Ivory Coast and read through a bit. This one really struck me. "specialist international crisis management, security and evacuation firms are busier than ever" http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/16/us-evacuations-idUSTRE72F5JJ20110316 I suppose someone always has to profit from the pain of others. Don't know if this is a good thing or not. I mean what's to stop these business stirring trouble in order to stay in business? Sorry for thread drift. Too much tragedy in the world for me to cope. |
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16 Mar 11 - 12:05 PM (#3115021) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: SINSULL That sounded snarky and I did not mean it to. Sorry Refugees are filling missions. There are rumors of massive "war crimes" which probably means that no woman is safe. But the main thrust of the two stories I saw was the price of cocoa going up as a result. Go figure. |
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16 Mar 11 - 12:07 PM (#3115022) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Mrrzy Nobody's talking about Ivory Coast the way they are about Libya. Nobody is talking about going in there and stopping Gbagbo. They are black and have no oil. Not to mention that they've been going on since before Libya, and nobody was talking about it before Japan's disaster even happened. But they have almost all the chocolate! Somebody should do something for that reason alone! There isn't anyone who needs to be deterred in Japan. That is a watch and hope situation, which Ivory Coast is not. They are handling it superbly, I might add; and earthquake-proofing the way we think is "too expensive" probably saved hundreds of thousands of lives from buildings, bridges, and nuclear power plan infrastructure that all didn't collapse. Dogs are eating corpses in the streets of Abidjan. I'm sure that's happening in Japan also, but that wasn't PREVENTABLE, and this is/was. But we care about Japan because we need them, or because we are worried about how their disaster will affect us. Apparently none of that is true in Ivory Coast. Except the chocolate. |
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16 Mar 11 - 12:16 PM (#3115029) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Maryrrf I am sure I'm not alone in feeling so overwhelmed by all the bad news and crisis going on now, feeling somehow that I'd like to help but not knowing how, dreading reading or seeing the news because it seems like there is just so much going on that it's difficult to process...that I lose track of things. I had been following the goings on in Cote d'Ivoire, but there hasn't been much coverage lately. I have never been there, but I had friends who spent time there in the 70's and at that time it was peaceful and relatively prosperous. It's horrifying to see how that has changed. |
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16 Mar 11 - 01:51 PM (#3115082) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,Eliza I'm so pleased, mrrzy, that you started this thread, as I'd wondered too if anyone had even noticed the terrible situation over there. My husband is Ivorian, from Abidjan, but his ancestral village is in the north, near Tengrila. Gbagbo wants to cut the country in half, excluding those from the north, as he says they aren't true Ivorians. My poor husband is worried sick for his family in Abidjan, especially his aged parents who live in squalor. There are indeed corpses on the streets, no rubbish has been cleared for YEARS, and there is a curfew from 6pm to 8am. Shots are being fired all night, everyone is terrified. Alessande was elected fairly in TWO supervised elections, but Gbagbo refuses to go. Civil war is imminent. No banks or Western Union offices are open, we can't send financial aid. My husband's much-loved uncle has gone blind and we want to pay for cataract removal, but he will have to go to Bamako in Mali. However the roads are blocked and too dangerous. Anarchy is everywhere. Obviously, as they aren't 'world players', Ivory Coast doesn't even merit a mention on the News. We pray for them constantly. |
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16 Mar 11 - 02:04 PM (#3115091) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,999 Has the UN (useless as they are) got involved, yet qm) |
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16 Mar 11 - 02:10 PM (#3115092) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,Eliza My husband tells me the UN are there, but do nothing, just 'observe'. They 'observed' while Gbagbo's supporters shot dead several women who were marching peacefully in protest. They issue statements condemning the bloodshed but stand around while it happens. It's just like Rwanda, the UN did nothing while the most horrendous carnage went on in front of them. I cannot understand what their function is, they seem totally impotent to act to protect anyone! |
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16 Mar 11 - 02:13 PM (#3115097) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: pdq If there is a real serious problem, such as Iraq's occupation of Kuwait, the United Nations simply asks the United States to do the dirty work, as well as pay all the bills. |
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16 Mar 11 - 02:18 PM (#3115098) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,999 Read Romeo Dallaire's story, The General and the Genocide. If you google that you will be taken to it. He and his UN troops didn't leave. He was a broken man when he returned to Canada. He'd defied both UN and Ottawa's orders--which cost him his career--to leave because he was protecting 20000 people. He told his bosses and they seemed not to care. He left the military and after some time he was appointed to Canada's Senate. Remarkable man. fyi |
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16 Mar 11 - 02:21 PM (#3115101) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: gnu Chocolate. Yeah. And there are a few things in the ground. But you won't be able to google any stats on them. The mining companies that buy the bullets don't have to supply those stats. It ain't about chocolate. |
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16 Mar 11 - 02:30 PM (#3115108) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,Eliza Romeo Dallaire was a massively humane and brave hero, and even lost his sanity due to the things he witnessed in Rwanda. The UN provided no back-up at all and he battled on, hopelessly outnumbered, for the sake of the beleaguered people he was trying to protect. Can anyone enlighten me as to the official function of the UN? When they arrive in a country, what exactly is their brief? In all the conflicts involving genocide, civil war, ethnic cleansing etc etc they just seem to stand and watch. |
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16 Mar 11 - 02:46 PM (#3115123) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,999 I wish I could answer that question (function of UN) Eliza Lately, they've been as useless as ti--well, they've been real useless. But then so has my own government. One of few times in my life I'm ashamed to say I'm a Canuck. |
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16 Mar 11 - 02:56 PM (#3115133) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,Eliza As an ex-French colony, Cote d'Ivoire might expect some assistance from France, but they're only concerned for French nationals resident in the country, not for the indigenous population. The British Embassy decamped to Ghana years ago. The huge port of Abidjan is at a standstill, so no essential supplies are coming in, and of course no exports are going out. The country is in meltdown, and no-one seems to care. |
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16 Mar 11 - 03:36 PM (#3115161) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: gnu The gold mining companies care, amongst others. But, like I said, you can't google the stats. The mining industry there is non-existant. There ain't no gold. There ain't no diamonds. There ain't no profits. Just a lot of dead people. Kinda odd, innit? |
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16 Mar 11 - 03:50 PM (#3115172) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Teribus Point 1: Ivory Coast does have offshore oil and gas fields all in the development stage. Point 2: The UN led by the French are present and have been for some time. They just recently had their mandate extended to ensure a "peaceful" hand-over to the incumbent President who won the election, unfortunately the sitting President did not recognise the result. Point 3: UN "Peacekeeping" Forces do just that, they are not there to "sort out" problems, they are not there to fight or protect (By their own rules and constraints, they are so lightly equipped they can just barely protect themselves. |
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16 Mar 11 - 04:23 PM (#3115195) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Mrrzy Eliza, yes, the French should be stepping up to the mark, but they aren't either. Join, do some music stuff, and have your husband pm me! Did he go to Mermoz? The babyblue helmets are there to observe; they are not defending, and are being attacked, too. |
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16 Mar 11 - 05:48 PM (#3115219) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Bonnie Shaljean Interesting report aired on BBC Radio 4's excellent news-with-a-personal-perspective programme From Our Own Correspondent by a British man who is married to an Ivorian (as he phrases it), has lived there for years, and clearly loves the country. Worth a listen: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00zd708#synopsis This broadcast is divided into segments, so if you don't want to hear the rest of the programme (which lasts about half an hour) scroll down to the bottom of the page and click Chapter 3. There's also an interesting commentary on Japan. But the whole show is good - I never miss it. |
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17 Mar 11 - 12:14 PM (#3115748) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,999 Ivory Coast News - Breaking World Ivory Coast News - The New York ... Google that for a good backgrounder. |
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17 Mar 11 - 01:52 PM (#3115832) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Mrrzy Excellent backgrounder. |
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17 Mar 11 - 03:48 PM (#3115926) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,999 Thanks, Mrrzy. |
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17 Mar 11 - 04:25 PM (#3115953) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,Eliza Mrrzy, no my husband went to Makan Traore college, in the Adjame-Nord district of Abidjan. |
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18 Mar 11 - 11:42 AM (#3116467) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Mrrzy Ah bon. |
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18 Mar 11 - 02:14 PM (#3116553) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,Eliza He's just (an hour ago) contacted his family (we bought them a mobile phone) and a tank rolled past their family courtyard, shooting indiscriminately at anyone out on the street. All his folks are so far safe, but daren't go out of course, not even to the mosque. He's in tears, desperately worried. His parents are very old and frail, and most of his nine siblings still live at home. There are about sixty persons in the yard, cousins, uncles, aunts, etc etc, living in little huts dotted around, and three septic toilets between them. No-one can come to syphon them out. I'm praying cholera and typhoid don't break out, as both these diseases are endemic there. If only Gbagbo would concede and let the country get back to normal. This could go on for some time, all we can do is pray. |
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18 Mar 11 - 03:28 PM (#3116594) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Mrrzy I have no idea how maman et papa are doing, nor mon frere who lives out au pays somewhere - not sure where mes soeurs are, they might not both be in Ivory Coast at all, but I can't get through to anybody through the ether, so, yeah, me too, minus the prayer. Where ARE the French, anyway? Talking loudly about Libya! Elephant, anyone? |
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18 Mar 11 - 04:12 PM (#3116628) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,999 By David Lewis DAKAR | Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:34pm EDT The death toll from the crisis has risen to more than 435 according to the United Nations, 720 according to the Ouattara camp. Some 12,000 U.N. peacekeepers are urged to do more to protect civilians. Their mandate allows them to intervene, and they recently secured two Mi-24 helicopter gunships, but they seem reluctant to take robust action against pro-Gbagbo forces. U.N. officials say part of their problem is that Gbagbo's forces are the main threat to civilians, so protecting the public would sometimes mean firing on the Ivorian military, which risks dragging peacekeepers into active conflict. HOW WILL THE REGION RESPOND? The African Union's reconfirmation of Ouattara as the president after weeks of mediation by African presidents was a significant blow to Gbagbo, who had sought to play on divisions across the continent over the U.N.'s rapid backing of his rival. South Africa, the most significant nation to waver in support for Ouattara, this week confirmed it stood by the AU's decision, in a move that analysts say will make it harder for other nations like Angola to back Gbagbo. However, regional military intervention, as threatened by West Africa's ECOWAS bloc, still appears a long way off. Regional powerhouse Nigeria, without which an operation is unlikely, is weeks away from a presidential election while other nations remain reluctant to commit to any such force. Tacit international backing of anti-Gbagbo forces now officially in Ouattara's army could follow, although such a move would be highly sensitive and, if publicized, could provoke further escalation of nationalistic rhetoric and violence. WHAT ABOUT THE ECOMOMY AND COCOA EXPORTS? The crisis has long since paralyzed the world's top grower's cocoa exports, with some 475,000 tonnes of beans sitting in storage due to a ban on shipments by Ouattara and EU sanctions. The drying up of beans has sent cocoa futures to 30-year highs before prices fell back following Japan's earthquake. The banking sector is seizing up and the IMF warns of "serious risks" for the West Africa region. A defaulted $2.3 billion Eurobond is trading at 36 percent of face value, and some analysts think this an attractive entry level on the hope for a resolution. (Editing by Tim Cocks and Peter Graff) |
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18 Mar 11 - 06:29 PM (#3116702) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,mg I dont have a tv and have not been watching. I do know one thing though, and that is that peacekeepers need firepower and a no-nonsense attitude when trying to keep peace. If observers only are needed, call them that and let them only observe. mg |
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19 Mar 11 - 11:00 AM (#3116979) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Mrrzy They are observers, I think, in name... |
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23 Mar 11 - 10:58 AM (#3119799) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Mrrzy Refresh. What a strange word for this instance. |
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24 Mar 11 - 09:42 AM (#3120387) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Mrrzy I'm keeping this thread up till it stops. Have you all written your congresspeople? Please do, if you haven't. Hundreds are confirmed dead, hundreds of thousands displaced, and this after a democratic election where the loser won't go and he has the army! I'd rather fight for chocolate than oil, anyway! |
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24 Mar 11 - 12:01 PM (#3120472) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Charley Noble Mrrzy- You're correct. I've been distracted by crisis in Libya and Japan. It's been a busy world this year. And I agree that more attention does need to be focused on Ivory Coast. No doubt something deadly is now on-going in Eritrea. Lord knows, there should be! But who else, besides Ethiopians, would care? Charley Noble |
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24 Mar 11 - 12:12 PM (#3120483) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: ChrisJBrady Tesco is importing chocolate bars made from Ivory Coast chocolate. Continuing to trade with the failed state is exacerbating the problems. Concerns can be emailed at https://www.tescohelp.com/tesco/forms/cs_form.html |
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24 Mar 11 - 02:24 PM (#3120568) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Mrrzy Unless the money goes to Ouattara... then it would be OK. But thank you for that! Eliza, ca va? |
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24 Mar 11 - 02:41 PM (#3120579) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,Eliza Oui, Mrrzy, ca va tres bien merci! Mon epoux continue a avoir les soucis pour sa famille, mais pour le moment, on se debrouille la-bas. We're stuck because all Western Union offices are, naturally, closed for fear of looting, so we can't send our usual financial help. The price of rice is rocketing. Also his blind uncle was due to have cataracts removed over in Mali, but of course no-one is travelling across borders by bus, it would be suicidal. The whole country is slowly grinding to a halt. My husband's younger brothers are continually confined to the family yard as 'soldiers' (drugged-up partisans) are going around grabbing young men and shooting them for no reason at all. They've even been breaking into family yards at night and robbing. Where will all this end? |
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24 Mar 11 - 03:38 PM (#3120604) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: gnu Oh my. Unreal. Sorry... that's all I got... oh my. |
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25 Mar 11 - 07:56 AM (#3121140) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: maeve One of our dearest friends here is from Ivory Coast. Here's a link that points out the lack of news coverage: http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20110325/wl_time/08599206135600 |
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25 Mar 11 - 10:51 AM (#3121293) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: SINSULL http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/03/25/6337387-the-brewing-civil-war-no-one-is-talking-about- |
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25 Mar 11 - 11:03 AM (#3121300) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: maeve Sinsull's link |
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25 Mar 11 - 01:43 PM (#3121416) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Mrrzy BrewING? It think it's steepED... |
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25 Mar 11 - 01:53 PM (#3121425) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: pdq It is a serious mistake to say that Ouattara is "the good guy" and Gbagbo is "the bad guy" Quattara is a Muslim and Gbagbo is a Roman Catholic and was educated (PhD) in France. Both are smart people, but many nationalistic folks don't want the country to move toward an Islamic majority which will mean Sharia law and loss of liberty. Gbagdo is (was?) a Marxist and has nationalized much of the business base in the country, hence the opposition from foreign investors. Gbagdo does seem to have the support of the military. Quattara has said that seizing privately-owned businesses was wrong and that they will, under his ruel, be returned to private ownership, a move that sounds good to many people in developed countries. The long period of peace and the status as a favorite tourist destination will be lost if violence threatens foreign visitors. |
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25 Mar 11 - 02:08 PM (#3121435) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,Eliza pdq You have omitted to mention that Ouattara has been ELECTED by the people of Ivory Coast in a democratic process supervised by UN. Whatever opinion one may have of the suitability or otherwise of the CHOSEN candidate, surely Gbagbo has no right to continue in power? He has said he discounts the votes of seven departments in the North of the country, as the people up there are 'not true Ivorians'. I cannot understand why the UN doesn't support and enforce Ouattara's right to power. There haven't even BEEN any elections in Libya, and yet we see enormous response from the West to oust Gadaffi. My husband says that Gbagbo has the support of the Military because he has been using money gained by massive corruption to pay them. In my view, this casts him firmly as 'The Bad Guy'. |
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25 Mar 11 - 02:30 PM (#3121450) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: pdq Like Gbagbo, Fidel Castro is a Marxist who continues to rule his country without having elections. Bobert Mugabe is a Marxist dictator who makes up election results so he stays in power. Both Hugo Chavez (another Marxist) and the asshole who heads Iran (I refuse to spell that guy's name) have had sham elections and won. Why? Because their people counted the votes. Polls showed Chavez with 28% support of his people and claimed 58% of the votes. Not as bad as Saddam Hussein who always got 99%+, but than he wasn't a Marxist. |
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25 Mar 11 - 03:34 PM (#3121492) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,999 "It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." Stalin |
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26 Mar 11 - 10:35 AM (#3121961) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Mrrzy Yeah, it isn't good vs bad, it's legally and democratically voted in vs. legally and democratically voted out. Whereas in Libya, they are rebelling against their actual leader, in CI, they are just trying to get they guy voted in to be in actual power. It isn't a *rebellion* in Ivory Coast. It's the guy who got voted out keeping the army, refusing to leave, and getting the army to massacre the people who voted him out. Religion, actually, has really nothing to do with this one. Although some of the country is Christian and some Moslem, roughly one-third each, another third of the country is animist and doesn't believe in one god, or really any, they have spirits and ancestors and such. But it isn't the christians and animists against the moslem, it's the democratically elected against the one who was democratically voted out. But who has the army. |
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11 Apr 11 - 04:12 PM (#3133260) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Charley Noble This phase of the Ivory Coast civil war appears to be over (Al Jazeera report): "Cote d'Ivoire's Laurent Gbagbo has surrendered to the forces of presidential claimant Alassane Ouattara and is being held by them, the UN has said. 'The United Nations mission in Cote d'Ivoire has confirmed that former President Laurent Gbagbo has surrendered to the forces of Alassane Ouattara and is currently in their custody,' UN spokesman Farhan Haq said on Monday." Gbagbo and his family were escorted to the hotel where President-elect Ouattara has been in residence. He was given medical attention and then addressed his remaining supporters via television urging them to lay down their arms. Charley Noble |
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11 Apr 11 - 06:23 PM (#3133297) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,Eliza Hooray! My husband's family say a hand grenade was lobbed into a neighbouring courtyard two nights ago. Three people were killed outright and a baby gravely wounded. (And all hospitals are closed) Although Gbagbo is now 'in custody' his supporters still roam the streets causing mayhem, looting and shooting randomly. Gbagbo armed them himself, so he's responsible for these tragedies. It'll take a while to calm and stabilise the country, and the economy has suffered badly too. But at least things are being dealt with at last! My husband feels a great sense of relief (and so do I!) |
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11 Apr 11 - 06:25 PM (#3133299) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,Eliza Mrrzy, salut! Un tres grand 'OUFF!' de soulagement, non? |
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11 Apr 11 - 10:20 PM (#3133420) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Charley Noble Eliza- I do hope things calm down now to a more bearable level for your family. Charley Noble |
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12 Apr 11 - 07:41 AM (#3133600) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,Eliza Thank you very much Charlie for your kind wishes. Eliza |
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17 May 11 - 06:09 PM (#3155964) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Mrrzy Eliza et mari, ca va toujours? Ouf ne l'approche meme pas! Maybe we can get back to eating dark chocolate now... |
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17 May 11 - 06:29 PM (#3155975) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,999 Assuming the 15,000 slaves are freed and no longer at the mercy of the growers. I won`t touch the stuff until then. |
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17 May 11 - 09:24 PM (#3156044) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Mrrzy What slaves? Do you mean the kids in the growerts' families? Since when is working on the family farm either exploitation or slavery? |
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18 May 11 - 07:12 AM (#3156222) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,Eliza Thank you mrrzy, everything is getting back to normal now. We've managed to send some money to the family via Western Union, as their bureaux are open now. Rice was getting low. We've also managed to send the money for a cataract operation for my husband's uncle. He travelled 24hrs in a bus to Mali, to Bamako. (He collected the cash from Western Union there, as their offices were all open of course.) He's now back home in Abidjan, and...HE CAN SEE!! We're overjoyed for him. He's been blind for 10 years. About the 'slaves' on the cocoa plantations, my husband says there are indeed many, bought from Mali and Burkina Faso, young lads who have been promised a better life, and are then locked in sheds at night and forced to toil on the plantations by day. Their lives are pitiable. |
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18 May 11 - 12:03 PM (#3156364) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Mrrzy Do they come for the better life or are they really sold by somebody? |
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18 May 11 - 12:10 PM (#3156369) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: GUEST,999 Sold, bought and now property. Do a bit of research on the net. It`s true. |
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27 Sep 17 - 10:30 AM (#3878965) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: keberoxu Ah, how I miss Senoufou / Eliza. Gbagbo has since been arrested, criminal charges, crimes against humanity. Ouattara still his successor. Heineken, of all things, built a brewery outside Abidjan recently. There was a dust-up with neighboring Ghana over off-shore oil. As for Senoufou's in-laws, another BS thread has reported on the death of her father-in-law and the family coming together for the traditional and religious observances that followed. |
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29 Sep 17 - 07:22 PM (#3879380) Subject: RE: BS: Is anybody watching Ivory Coast chaos?!? From: Gallus Moll I miss you too Eliza / Senoufou - -- only 'met' you a short time ago on Mudcat, so sorry you felt you had to leave. xx |