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10 Apr 11 - 10:59 AM (#3132416) Subject: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke I am apologising now in advance for drinking too much great Beer in the Elephant and Castle and generally enjoying my self during the Holmfirth Festival of Folk. My only excuses are the great music the hot weather and the need to keep out of the sun. Bruce Ballie is also to blame by leading me astray during the laid-back Open Mike sessions on Friday and Saturday Night. Why and Open Mike Session I hear you cry? Well the choice is yours but it was decided as we would once more have the use of the large room. Using a PA would be a good way of us being able to leave the door open to the Bar so that we could involver the whole Pub in the festival. It also gives the many fine and softer singers a chance of a hearing. Not all the sessions will be using PA John Honiwell will be running a more traditionally formatted singaround on Saturday Afternoon from 3pm to around 7pm. This will be the third year that The Elephant and Castle's, Landlady Janet, has after a considerable gap become once again an official venue. That said she has always made her customers and Folk Festival goers most welcome. We have had some great nights in the Elephant and Castle, I blame that lot from Barnsley and there friends. So come along and pay the Elephant and Castle a visit bring your instrument and voice along! I'm sorry to say that Ray Padgett is not very well so I am going to ask Lucy Stocks to lead the Wibberly Wobberly Walking workshop back to the campsite this year. Tyke at http://holmfirthfestivaloffolk.co.uk/ Holmfirth Festival of Folk |
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10 Apr 11 - 11:09 AM (#3132422) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: r.padgett Apologizing for a festival yet to take place takes some beating George Good lad Ray |
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10 Apr 11 - 11:15 AM (#3132428) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: GUEST,999 I don't know you at all, George, but if anyone's ever looking for brass cajones, I'll point 'em in your direction. |
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10 Apr 11 - 11:31 AM (#3132436) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Cajones? You must have heard the one about the Dashhound who got testicular Cancer? Stop me if you have heard it! Ok well the Vet decided that the only thing to do was to remove them. You must have heard it Guest999? No! Oh well he decided to replace them with one of Brass and One of Steel. Have you heard it? No well you will do when it comes down your street! |
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10 Apr 11 - 11:32 AM (#3132437) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: ossonflags whats cajones? |
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10 Apr 11 - 11:40 AM (#3132445) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: GUEST,999 LOL--good one. I heard it first with a Bassit/Basett/Bassutt--as you said, a dashhound. People called him Sparky. |
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10 Apr 11 - 11:44 AM (#3132449) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: GUEST,999 As usual, ossonflags, I messed up the spelling. cojones (plural only) (slang, usually considered vulgar) testicles (slang, usually considered vulgar) balls, courage, machismo, chutzpah Anyway, Tyke has them. Not often a fellow will apologize for that sort of thing before the event. |
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10 Apr 11 - 12:25 PM (#3132477) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: The Sandman Tyke, you are assuming that you will live that long. |
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10 Apr 11 - 04:09 PM (#3132580) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: ossonflags Dunno about his gonads Guest 999 but I have seen his very large instrument. |
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10 Apr 11 - 04:23 PM (#3132588) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: GUEST,999 LOL Gentlemen, I rest my case. |
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10 Apr 11 - 06:48 PM (#3132686) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Oh Bug### Bruce has just told me that he can't make it as he booked to good down south to see a Barry Maniloe concert! I shall have to have another brilliant idea. |
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10 Apr 11 - 07:33 PM (#3132693) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Although it's a good rule not to respond to veiled threats! I apologise to someone I will not name that I seemed to have stuck a raw nerve with in another thread with my comments, made n defence of Dave Kidman, regarding others who have used multiple personalities to promote themselves. So again I apologise to you all (I personally have lost count of the number of names you have use) your Mudcat name is at the time of writing. Should I die before Holmfirth Festival of Folk I shall have my body put on Ice and then placed on the Pool Table in the Elephant and Castle. I maybe unable to buy you a drink but you should feel free to use as much of the Ice as you wish to keep your Beer cold. |
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10 Apr 11 - 10:28 PM (#3132776) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Effsee Ice!! In beer!!! Harrrumphhhhh!!! |
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11 Apr 11 - 06:48 AM (#3132916) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Well Harrumphhhhhed Effsee |
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11 Apr 11 - 06:59 AM (#3132924) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke When I asked John Honiwell at the Cleckheaton Folk Club if he would run the singer round at the Elephant and Castle from 3pm on the Saturday I also asked him for some Blurb. He said that I should write it for him. I warned him that this was just not a good idea, as I would probably tell everyone about his goings on at his Old Peoples Home. But he insisted so here is like what I wrote! John Honiwell was born at a very early age in Yorkshire and he has been on the West Yorkshire Folk circuit for more years than he can remember. I have been told that in his youth he was well know for his love of Sheep and would spend many a happy hour on the Moors. Now an avid Bird fancier he is a resident in one Cleckheaton's many Retirement Homes for Bewildered Gentle Folk. Where he is a leading light amongst the community giving up his time to organize concert parties for the other residents. On concert party nights, which sometimes go on till well after eight, his ready wit delights the Old and Older alike. After the Concerts it is not unusual for the Homes Care Staff to have to go round every High Seat Chair with a Hair Dryer. We are Lucky to have been given permission for John to be allowed out to run the singaround in the Elephant on Saturday Afternoon from 3 pm onwards. He will be assisted by his Nurse who will be keeping an eye out for him as part of his ASBO waver and passing him his medication. There is no charge for this event however we would encourage all to give generously to the hard working team of Volunteers who will be passing round the collection boxes. |
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11 Apr 11 - 07:09 AM (#3132928) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke I have just had a Phone call from Janet and she has told me that an area will be cordoned off in the Car Park for scooters and Zimmer Frames. She also asks that patrons to John's singaround would refrain from keeping a spare glass to put their false teeth in whilst singing. Not that there will be a shortage of glasses! But because they tend to get jammed in the glass washer if they end up being left behind. |
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11 Apr 11 - 08:02 AM (#3132961) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Mr Happy The website doesn't say if you can camp without buying a festival ticket. Is this a possibility? |
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11 Apr 11 - 08:14 AM (#3132971) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: The Fooles Troupe Hmmm, some people have been campaigning for years, for the right to camp - no tickets on them ... |
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11 Apr 11 - 08:21 AM (#3132974) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Mr Happy We're ok to pay for camping |
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11 Apr 11 - 09:40 AM (#3133012) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Holmfirth Festval of Folk is a mainly Free Festval however you do need to help to pay for the use of the Campsite and its Security. Many take a different route and camp for free nearby but with out the benifit of a Loo water and if possible showers. All can purchase shower only tickets from the Swimming Baths. However please check the times when this facilility is available! Warning space is limited on the campsite so book early and Check out The Official Holmfirth Festival Website. Is that ok Mr Happy? |
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11 Apr 11 - 09:54 AM (#3133019) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: GUEST,MC Fat Shouldn't the title of this thread be George Clarke: Yo are an Apology ! |
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11 Apr 11 - 10:20 AM (#3133028) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Hey up MC Fat is thee coming to Holmfirth Festival This Year I hope so! |
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11 Apr 11 - 10:21 AM (#3133030) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Holmfirth has go Free Sandwiches but no Marmite! |
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11 Apr 11 - 11:48 AM (#3133074) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: GUEST,Cath In response to the camping query - as we don't 'do' tickets apart from the odd concert and ceilidh all you have to do is fill in the form on the web site and book your spot. It isn't expensive so don't go looking to find free places! I think we have booked the session at the pool to use the showers as before on Saturday tea time but you can check that with Alison when you book. And we do have Free Sandwiches this year. |
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11 Apr 11 - 12:26 PM (#3133096) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Sorry Cath I wasn't recomending finding free camping. It is after all illegal and not very safe as it has no security! Far better to have Alison look after you please give her all the help over the weekend you can. |
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11 Apr 11 - 01:30 PM (#3133143) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: GUEST,MC Fat Sorry George off to see my sproglet im Madrid. It's tough choice Holmfirth.. Madrid.... Madrid.... Holmfirth |
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11 Apr 11 - 09:26 PM (#3133403) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Have a great time in Madrid and don't worry about the lightning Air Traffic Controllers strike! The Baggage Handlers will have diverted your luggage it to Holmfirth so you can just come straight here! Just in case you do manage to get airborne you will need your Rain Coat as you know the Rain in Spain falls mainly.. |
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12 Apr 11 - 11:14 PM (#3134102) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke I've asked Dave Ellis to pop in at some point and I've asked him, as his Giant's Costume is too large for the Pub, if he and Ann could get hold of an Elephants Costume. If he manages this just keep clear as he blows the froth off his Beer…… |
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13 Apr 11 - 10:38 AM (#3134356) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: muppett Hey George What about a Kari-folkie night in the Elephant & Castle. I bet the fields of Athenry will get sung, as well as Dirty Old town & The Irish Rover (Te hee). What other Classics could be done? |
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13 Apr 11 - 06:34 PM (#3134676) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Hi Muppet I've a confession to make I don't know the words to Fields of Athenry and My Dirty Old Town has got Rust as well. We had a meeting and decided on using an Open Mike to give the quieter and more refind singers like yourself a chance to be heard. In the End to use or not to use PA will be a personal choice and there to gently lift the sound leval. I don't seem to have seen you for ages Muppet so it will be nice to see you at Holmfirth Festival of Folk Cheers George |
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13 Apr 11 - 07:09 PM (#3134694) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: GUEST,Gloria I might try and get over to your singaround George. I'm probably playing at Gerry McNeice's night at the Cricket Club again.I did a half-hour there last year and it was fairly rowdy, so I might come over to this Elephant thingy for some peace and quiet - as long as you're not going to be singing the Fields of Athenry! |
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14 Apr 11 - 07:13 PM (#3135413) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Ok Gloria I bring the word to Field of Athenry with you and we might let you sing it. I'll deal with requests for that one about the White Horses that we used to sing at School! |
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15 Apr 11 - 04:35 AM (#3135601) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: muppett Hiya George, Look forward to coming to the Elephant & Castle to sing some quite and refind songs, getting some practice this weekend up in the dales at the Appletreewick Music Fest., are coming you coming. |
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15 Apr 11 - 05:49 AM (#3135627) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Hi Muppett I've a gig over in Hull on Friday Night (oh that's tonight) so depending on how much sleep I get I might pop over. Just where will I find you as I've never been before. George |
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15 Apr 11 - 11:08 AM (#3135760) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: muppett Head to Ilkley, then follow signs to Bolton Abbey, then go onto Barden Tower, at the Tower (an old castle looking ruin) turn right and go over Barden Bridge and follow the signs to Appletreewick (about 2miles ), go through the village and past the New Inn and a couple of hundred yards is the Craven Arms and that's where it's at. Just thought, just google Craven Arms, Appletreewick !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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15 Apr 11 - 05:46 PM (#3135990) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: GUEST,Bruce Baillie ...Oh how I wish we could be there but there's always next year! I'll have myself a Cello Banjo by then! |
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16 Apr 11 - 08:43 AM (#3136295) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Mabe you could do both Bruce £75 Ellton John tickets are now going for £750 plus. Why not find out how much your Barrie Manalo Tickets will fetch! Still no charge for the Elephant and Castle apart from a few Beers! |
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17 Apr 11 - 01:11 AM (#3136691) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: ossonflags Were in 'ull was you playing George? |
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17 Apr 11 - 10:05 AM (#3136831) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Hi Mick I was over at the Keyingham FC with Kevin Young and the Stoney Creek Boys. Kevin and John, Collins Fancy, are Playing at the Lyrics Bar in Hull from 5 to 8 today. Will we be seeing you at Holmfith Festival this year. |
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18 Apr 11 - 03:30 AM (#3137219) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: GUEST,ossonflags wivout cookie Was talking with Kevin only yesterday!.Was awy friday; gizza bell next time you are over; if you aint got number I will PM youit.I dont know about Holmfirth yet.....................but we probably will |
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18 Apr 11 - 06:02 AM (#3137276) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Will do Mick mind you I'm still waiting for a return PM from you regarding The Hull Seachanty Festival. Must be somebody with an air rifle shooting the Pigion Messaging Service, they must have run out of Swans to shot in Whitby Harbour! |
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18 Apr 11 - 11:54 AM (#3137464) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: ossonflags Ah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry owld bean!! thought i have/had.Always glad to see yer in 'ull. I have meeting tommorrow with t'cmmtee and will be getting back to all hands then. |
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20 Apr 11 - 05:21 PM (#3139247) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Now we have got Soldier boy apologising as well "Many apols Tyke. I had done a trawl through the pages but not seen your thread for this festival which you started on 10 April. I can't count your "George Clarke: An Apology" thread because the true subject matter [The Holmfirth Festival of Folk] is not in the thread title so folk would miss the primary objective. Chris" Oh contraire my little drummer boy! Both threads are there to promote Holmfirth's Festival of Folk most brilliant festival. Both contain them their blue Clicky links directing people to the Official Website. But you are forgiven (as always) however if you are in funds it will cost you a Beer if not I'll buy you a Beer. at Holmfirth Festival of Folk |
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26 Apr 11 - 10:08 PM (#3143104) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke I quote from Lucy Stock's Facebook wall "Sod the birthday im on the count down to holmfirth festival !!!!!!!!". |
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27 Apr 11 - 09:21 PM (#3143761) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke John Honiwell is appealing for help for himself and the residents of his Retirement Home. Due to a power failure over the Bank Holiday which left the Home in darkness for he can't remember how long. They need help to reset the Clock on the Homes Betamax Recorder. People wishing to help John should see him at the Elephant and Castle's acoustic singaround on Saturday the 7th of May from 3pm on during the Holmfirth Festival of Folk |
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28 Apr 11 - 11:24 AM (#3144074) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Cath Anyone wanting full details can get a programme now on sale at many places in Holmfirth including Tourist Info Office, Old Bridge, Sid's Cafe and others I can't remember. And only £1. |
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29 Apr 11 - 08:07 AM (#3144651) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Well done Cath your dedication is appreciated by all! |
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29 Apr 11 - 05:10 PM (#3144959) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Part if not all of Colleens Fancy will be at the Open Mike nights in the Elephant and Castle Plus quite a few Supper Stars. |
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29 Apr 11 - 05:18 PM (#3144962) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Colleens Fancy |
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29 Apr 11 - 09:32 PM (#3145058) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Soldier boy Tyke me owld mate sorry to come across as a bit negatory but I have to say that I have some reservations about this idea of yours for "Open Mike" sessions in the Elephant and Castle on Fri and Sat nights of Holmfirth Festival of Folk. In the past two years the Elepant and Castle has been a rare and welcomed safe refuge and haven for some really good singarounds away from the hustle and bustle of some other venues. These sessions (un-plugged) have been excellent and very memorable so why spoil a good thing? and I am not convinced that the rest of the pub will appreciate the invasion? Chris |
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30 Apr 11 - 05:35 AM (#3145181) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Why and Open Mike Session I hear you cry? Well the choice is yours but it was decided as we would once more have the use of the large room. Using a PA would be a good way of us being able to leave the door open to the Bar so that we could involver the whole Pub in the festival. It also gives the many fine and softer singers a chance of a hearing. Not all the sessions will be using PA John Honiwell will be running a more traditionally formatted singaround on Saturday Afternoon from 3pm to around 7pm. Elephant and Castle |
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30 Apr 11 - 10:34 AM (#3145295) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke It's good to know that Ray Padgett's is on the mend after his heart Op. But don't know if he is well enough to lead the Wibberly Wobberly Walking Workshop back to the Campsite yet. So I have asked Luck Stocks to take the lead supported by Steve Lacy. Then it's the Traditional re-erect Soldier boy's tent session with Soldier boy doing a see how far he can make a second hand tea bag go workshop. |
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30 Apr 11 - 12:43 PM (#3145364) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke This new spell checker on Mudcat need watching! So I have asked Luck Stocks to take the lead supported by Steve Lacy. Should read Lucy Stocks and possibly Lucky Lacy! |
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02 May 11 - 09:46 AM (#3146425) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Soldier boy You're right Myke the Open Tyke! ....sorry...Tyke The Open Mike. |
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02 May 11 - 06:48 PM (#3146743) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Soldier boy Or even better...Tyke The Mike!! |
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02 May 11 - 09:01 PM (#3146801) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Me thinks Chris is taking the Mike. |
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04 May 11 - 04:27 AM (#3147541) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke This year it has been proposed to hold a Minuets Silence to show respect for this year Bristol Festival Tragedy. Apparently there was no drinkable beer available at the Festaval. |
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04 May 11 - 08:41 AM (#3147629) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Soldier boy I'll drink to that. |
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04 May 11 - 07:13 PM (#3148091) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Great News from Kevin Young he is bringing Keith Gay over on Friday to the Elephant and Castle. For those who don't know Keith is a fine singer songwiter from Hull. He wrote Settling Day and other trawling songs. |
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04 May 11 - 09:46 PM (#3148157) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Soldier boy Sounds good to me Tyke. I will be there. Chris |
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05 May 11 - 08:19 AM (#3148453) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Have you bought any tea bags yet Chris or are you still using that second hand one from last year? |
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05 May 11 - 10:22 AM (#3148521) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Soldier boy Year before's. Just scraped off dried-up white mould for medicinal purposes if needed in case I get a bad kebab attack again. Chris |
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05 May 11 - 10:28 AM (#3148523) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: muppett EEE nearly time for it, Hey Chris or Tyke is there the Spoken word sesh in Sid's Cafe again this year, had a good do there last year. |
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05 May 11 - 08:45 PM (#3148927) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Soldier boy Yer right Muppett lad it were a really good do but I've not heard it mentioned this year and aven't see programme so not sure yet. |
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06 May 11 - 07:24 AM (#3149140) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke More reports of the goings on at Holmfirth Festival of Folk once I am set up. Late mobile late night reports will take place once me expected Double Vision corrects its self. Have a great Weekend everyone! George Clarke |
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09 May 11 - 12:48 PM (#3150910) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Well I did warn you and I did apologise in advance. However I can't remmember that much after Jeniffer started Dancing round on a Bar Stool being sung too by Kevin Young. Just why she said she was never speaking to me again she did not explain. Still we had the Pub packed out and I recived lot's of compliments regarding my act (ACT! ACT!LOL) Had some great people take up the Mike and deliver some main stream folk to the regulars at the Elephant and Castle and Festival Visitors alike. Harry Wilson was there and I made several appeals for people to become his Friend on Facebook cos he hasn't got any mates! Hope it worked for you Harry your not a bad Bloke when all said. Cheers George Clarke |
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10 May 11 - 02:27 AM (#3151227) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: r.padgett O aye Harry Wilson me old mate, I will have a look at fb for him the little Monkey! Ray |
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10 May 11 - 04:59 AM (#3151271) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: muppett Main Stream folk!!!!!!!!! Never thought I performed main stream folk |
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10 May 11 - 05:02 AM (#3151272) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Joking aside Ray he is one of my Facebook Buddies so you can find him thier. Unless he has got the hump at me pulling his leg about him having no Frends which is a toatal lie on my part. Harry has got lot's and lot's more not on Facebook. |
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10 May 11 - 09:24 AM (#3151375) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke No Muppett you must have heard wrong what I heard was thow him in the river! Muppett you played a blinder as did everyone except for the Pratt in a Hat. I think we all had a great night and hopfully helped to put some money into the Festival Coffers. I know I will see you soon Liam Haywoods 21st is coming up and Deric's 60th Sam and Mel are getting Married on the 2nd of July in Whitby so thier is bound to be some crack in Whitby that weekend. |
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10 May 11 - 08:28 PM (#3151766) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Soldier boy Like Muppett, I'm not sure what you mean by 'main stream folk' either George. Is this a new definition? Also when you say that "..and hopefully helped to put some money into the Festival Coffers" just what do you mean by that? Apart from the revenue over the bar, which not one penny would go towards the festival, how exactly do you justify saying that? Did you pass the festival collection bucket around during the sessions to swell the coffers? I don't think so, for I never saw that. So how can you say that? Bemused. Chris |
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10 May 11 - 09:19 PM (#3151785) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Hi Chris how's your Mum doing hope she is OK. No Chris I did not pass the Festival Bucket Round I think I had enough to do. Who contributed what will all come out at the festival committee meeeting. So if you want to know who gave or pledged what to help run the Festival that is the place to find out. To be honest it's a bit like asking people how much they get in their wage packet Chris. I am prepaired to tell you how much I was paid as I have not increased my fee to the festival since the Holmfirth Festival of Folk Started. I charged a very special fee to help support Holmfirths Traditional Festval my fee was Zero. What is Mainstream Folk? Well never mind that what is Folk? Is it contemporary like Bob Dylan, Cyrill Tawney, The Clancey's, Artisan, Richard Tompson, to name but a few. Or is it and oral tradition or is it as Collected by Cecil Sharp and then writen down an sanatized. Well the reason I refered to what we were doing in the Elephant as Main Stream was because it was the kind of Music that the majority of the Public recognise and associate with and the Younger End who have never lived through the Folk Revival of the 50s and 60s have never heard before. So Chris it's up to you now to find sometime and get off your Backside as a Local and get yourself on the committee and help to Organize next years Festival. But don't suddenly come to life two weeks before and think that's all it takes. I takes a lot of hard work and time months before the festival. Personal I am so impressed with Cath she is such a bundle of energy and a great asset to Holmfirth and not just to its Festival. |
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11 May 11 - 04:29 AM (#3151917) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: muppett Ar so you mean Karafolkie then |
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11 May 11 - 07:18 AM (#3151989) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke Hi Muppett is Karaoke were they sing along to a pre-recorded backing track whilst reading the words from a book or a TV screen? Or is it if they have not got their book of words with them they just make up new ones and sing unaccompanied in a strange key. You did a great Job on Saturday Night Muppett well done Grandad. Cheers George |
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11 May 11 - 09:30 AM (#3152067) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: muppett Aye you got it right second time, so we doing it again |
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11 May 11 - 09:33 AM (#3152070) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: muppett ooops that should have read, Aye you got it right second time, so when are we doing it again, it were grand. |
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11 May 11 - 10:55 AM (#3152116) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Soldier boy With respect Tyke, there is such a thing as freedom of speech and I don't have to be on the committee to make a simple observation on this forum. I am glad that you enjoyed it and that you did a very good job entertaining the locals because it is very important that the whole community thoroughly enjoys the festival as well and looks forward to the next one. My main concern was that the Open Mike session was held in the pub itself and not in the large back room where it was originally intended to be. This meant that true folkies couldn't also get an opportunity to get an informal non-plugged singaround/playaround session going in the pub like they had in The Elephant and Castle in previous years. There were far more 'true folkies' who had paid to camp and had travelled very long distances hoping to find a good session who put their heads in the door, saw what was going off and turned around and walked away, than stayed. I thought that that was a great shame because it is important to try to include 'everyone' and not drive ardent folk followers away at a "Folk" festival. This problem was further compounded this year by other Open Mike(Mic) sessions and bands put on elsewhere. More than I have ever seen at this festival before! So that meant that many of the large number of folkies (and there were loads of them) wandering the streets looking for an informal inpropmtu singaround etc couldn't find anywhere to have one and left the festival feeling disappointed and also uncertain whether they would return to the festival next year. I have spoken to many of them and I am not exaggerating how they felt. I'm not saying that you are personally to blame Tyke, definately not. I am saying that because of such sessions as yours an important 'fringe' element of the festival felt excluded and unconsidered this year. I am certain that I can rely on you to convey these observations to the whole committee in the hope that the considerable number of informal 'fringe' folk followers can be considered and accomodated and won't feel left out next year. This element of a folk festival makes an important contribution to any festival by paying for camping, attending various concerts and workshops and eating and drinking in the local eateries and pubs etc - as well as adding their own unique characters and music and song to the environment - if given the chance! If they feel that they have been pushed out they will not return and that will have considerable impact on the festival's coffers and the overall spirit and atmosphere of this brilliant folk festival. So please do pass this message on. Many thanks Chris |
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11 May 11 - 11:16 AM (#3152127) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: GUEST,Banjiman I thought the festival was excellent. I was lucky enough to be present at some of the real local community involvement events through the Mrs who had worked with one of the local schools on "Traditional Song" in the run up to the festival (not that ALL the songs the kids learned were trad, but they didn't half enjoy Rattling Bog!). This meant that we attended the school's concert in the civic hall. It was fantastic and the audience ("normal" Mum's & Dad's from the local community) got to hear traditional style music and see traditional dance..... with their kids performing it. Not many folkies there though....... The other half was also the "featured" Festival artist at the service in the Parish Church on Sunday morning. Again this was the "normal" local community embracing the Festival, some members of the congregation either bought her CD or came back to the Church for her gig their (and the wonderful Young'uns) in the afternoon. It seems to me that this reaching out to the local community (including holding informal events in public bars rather than locked away out of sight in a back room) is a real and quite unusual strength of Holmfirth Festival of Folk. We also attended the open mic at The Cricket Club, which was fun and anyone was welcome to get up and have a go (and those in the CC were largely respectful of the singers/ players). When we wanted an even more informal session, we sat outside The Cricket club and played and also outside the van on the campsite......... can't really get any more informal than that! Paul |
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11 May 11 - 12:07 PM (#3152157) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Cath I wasn't going to get involved in this but Chris you are wrong - there were no more Open Mics than there have been in the past, the pubs have always had bands in and the only thing we were short of was a dedicated Singaround venue due to a spat with the Postcard after last year. The move of the Elephant session into the bar was done by the landlady and I'm led to believe was not under the control of George or anyone else. Yes he had taken his PA along but that was in an attempt to involve the 'locals' who inhabit the bar as it was thought a closed door policy in the pool room wouldn't work. I did manage to get round most of the pubs this year and I found a fair number of sessions/singings going on in the Nook, outside the Bridge and I'm sure they were in other places. I don't know who these unhappy 'folkies' were who were wandering the streets (did you try the Shoulder?) but I certainly didn't meet them and at £5 per night for the campsite I don't think they have much to complain about. You have been invited before to join the committee and do your share of the work and if you feel that strongly then come along and do it. Cath |
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11 May 11 - 02:30 PM (#3152240) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke A Festval Fringeis not organized by any Festival it is a happening that just happens. All people involved in Fringe events do it for the crack. To be honest it gets up my nose a bit when some one trys to organize a session and then asks the landlord for money. If it's organized then it's not fringe it's an official venue. From what I can see of live music in Holmfirth through the year it is all open Mike. Acoustic sessions are great however shutting the door to a room and asking people not to wander in and out or talk whilst people are singing and or playing go hand in hand. Finding a quiet room with no noise seeping in from elsewhere is problem. Today a quiet pub is a closed pub! Oh and as ever it is the licence who calls the shots what he or she say's goes. Jannet of the Elephant and Castle said no to the use of the Pool Room and she definatly did not want a closed door session. If you can't beet em join em end of story. |
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12 May 11 - 04:59 AM (#3152610) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: muppett Well here's my opinion for what it's worth. Apart from Dent, I go to the festivals for the fringe events, i.e. informal and sometimes formal sing arounds, but without fail I always hear that there are some folkies moaning that there's nowhere for them to turn up for a session, yet I've not found this the case and I include Holmefirth in this, what I do find is that yep, the pubs may sometimes be packed out with noisy locals and why not, we're coming into their space, so rather moan that you can't sing a song that's a millionty verses about someone that lost their true love, do a shorter song with a chorus that those who aren't up with folk scene can join in or go to the organised ssssssssh sessions, where you can or failing that what's to stop you from finding a corner somewhere and get a session going yer sen. I've noticed time and again folk wandering around for a session to start and as soon as it does whether it be on a street corner or in a snug of a pub, singers and musicians will appear from nowhere and join if they're not too fussy. A folk festival is what it says on the jar, a celebration of music and song, why hide behind the excuse oh there's no where to play, if you love music, get on and play it. As for The Elephant and Castle on Sat. night, well at first I thought oh eck how's this going to work, but as the night went on it were grand and folk were doing something very strange, they were HAVING FUN (SHOCK HORROR!!!!!!!) So well done t' George and Co. and t' rest of you come on be thankful that we can sing and play music in public whether it be wi a PA or not, there's thousands across the world are not allowed to. Right that's me done and no doubt there'll be several of you out there that'll now shoot me down. Cheers Muppett |
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12 May 11 - 05:38 AM (#3152621) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Cath I won't Muppett! Thanks for a bit of sanity in this. I've never knowingly met you but I'm glad you've enjoyed Holmfirth. Cath |
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12 May 11 - 05:40 AM (#3152626) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Tyke What you say makes good sence Muppett well said Here Here and Beer Beer. Free Sandwhiches Rule OK with a PA. |
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12 May 11 - 11:12 AM (#3152755) Subject: RE: George Clarke: An Apology From: Soldier boy I'm not going to shoot you down Muppett owld lad. I agree with pretty much everything you said and you make a lot of sense, you wise old guru you! You joined in with the open mike session and full credit to you and in the best sense possible you have the performing skills, gusto,instant appeal and frankly, the balls, to be able to do that and also to get a session started in a corner of a crowded pub which inevitably will attract other wandering singers and musicians. Trouble is Muppett a lot of folkies are just a bit more shy and retiring than you and would find it very hard to do what you can do. It's not that they are sad or miserable people it's just that some very busy environments can seem intimidating and they might feel that they are invading their space and could be unwelcome. I wish they could do what you do, the world would be a happier and more colourful place and everyone would have more fun. It's a shame you've not met Muppett Cath because once you've seen and heard him you'd never forget him. He is a brilliant performer and very unique in what he does and I am proud to call him my friend. It's difficult to describe what Muppett does and what makes him so special in a few words so you must see for yourself and look out for him at Tyke's open mike session in the Elephant next year. Bye the way, there WAS one more open Mic session this year than in the past - it were in't Elephant and Castle! Anyway, thanks for the sanity Muppett. I'm not having a big moan I am just expressing some concerns that others have expressed to me. The informal 'fringe' element of a festival has always been a moveable feast that has to fit in wherever it can. It just seems that it is getting harder and harder each year for this to 'happen' at Holmfirth. This is an observation that I hope can be given some consideration but in no way detracts from what is a really brilliant festival and which, as Banjiman said, reaches out to the local community in a way that is a real and quite unusual strength of this festival. Long may it run and prosper. Chris |