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04 May 11 - 10:03 PM (#3148170) Subject: BS: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: Bobert ...the absolute shits!!! Ya'll find it and tell me it ain't one of the 5 top alt country songs ever recorded... Steve Earle, John Prine and Buddy Miller are the 3 top alt country songwriters... B~ |
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04 May 11 - 10:07 PM (#3148174) Subject: RE: BS: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: Jeri He recorded the Utah Phillips song? Got a YouTube for it? |
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04 May 11 - 10:07 PM (#3148176) Subject: RE: BS: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: kendall Utah Phillips wrote it. He should get some credit. |
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04 May 11 - 10:09 PM (#3148178) Subject: RE: BS: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: Bobert No, Jer, I ain't got half the pudder literation as a slug... I got the CD, however, and maybe you can find it somewhere... Great song... B~ |
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04 May 11 - 10:11 PM (#3148179) Subject: RE: BS: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: Bobert Great song, Utah... Buddy still is in the top 3 alt country song writers in my book but... ...great song, Utah!!! But ya'll still need to listen to Buddy's version... It is the shits... B~ |
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04 May 11 - 10:18 PM (#3148182) Subject: RE: BS: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: kendall Post a link so we can hear it. |
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04 May 11 - 10:18 PM (#3148184) Subject: RE: BS: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: Wesley S Yeah - I love just about everything Buddy comes in contact with. He even makes Robert Plant sound good. |
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04 May 11 - 10:20 PM (#3148185) Subject: RE: BS: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: Jeri Here's Buddy Miller singing Rock Salt & Nails. |
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04 May 11 - 10:23 PM (#3148189) Subject: RE: BS: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: frogprince It's on EwwTube. Not to knock Miller's take, but there are covers on there by Rosalee Sorrels, Joe Ely, and Joan Baez; all quite distinct, and I'd be hard put to say which one I like best. Waylon Jennings is there too, but I just can't say that I like what he did with it quite as well. |
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04 May 11 - 10:24 PM (#3148190) Subject: RE: BS: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: Ebbie Just listened to it. Awesome. Just plug in 'Buddy Miller + rock, salt and nails. First one up. |
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04 May 11 - 10:48 PM (#3148205) Subject: RE: BS: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: Bobert Yeah, if anyone does it better than Buddy and his ol' lady then I'd love to hear it... Ya' say Waylon did it, f-prince??? Sheet fire!!! I'd have to hear that... I love Waylon... I do couple three of his songs... No matter... I didn't know this song until Buddy Miller and I fully plan of working it up and see what I can do with it... B~ |
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04 May 11 - 10:54 PM (#3148208) Subject: RE: BS: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: Ebbie A couple of people in my song circle sing it- a powerful song in its bitterness. |
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04 May 11 - 11:07 PM (#3148212) Subject: RE: BS: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: katlaughing Boy, Waylon does a really different take on this one: Waylon. And, here is Rosalie Sorrells. And, here is Joan Baez whose rendition, I have to say, appeals to me much more than the others. J.D. Crowe sounds pretty good, too, imo. |
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05 May 11 - 02:36 AM (#3148289) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: open mike they do good harmony to this! I am quite sure that the first version of this i heard was by Kate Wolf |
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05 May 11 - 02:50 AM (#3148296) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: Amergin I love the one that Taylor Whiteside did on Singing Through The Hard Times. |
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05 May 11 - 03:02 AM (#3148303) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: Amergin Here's another wonderful version: Carl Johnson |
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05 May 11 - 03:20 AM (#3148310) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: pdq The J. D. Crowe and the New South version has Tony Rice singing lead. He is usually about as good as it gets. Steve Young did it about 1970, making him perhaps the first Alt Country singer ever. Kate Wolf does the song, trading lead voice with her bass player. Works for me. There is a CD called "Red Hot and Country" that came out in the 1990s. You can get a copy for about $1 on eBay any day you want one. It has Folk, Country and Rock people working together and most cuts are really good. However, the Sammy Kershaw version of "Fire and Rain" is simply awful. I suggest you re-record the songs you like on another CD and skip the few stinkers. Johnny Cash doing Dylan's "Forever Young" is slow and plodding but powerful. Other song have Jackson Browne, Suzy Bogguss, Kathy Matea, Crosby, Stills and Nash, Alison Krauss, et al. |
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05 May 11 - 07:06 AM (#3148396) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: Dharmabum Jody Stecher & Kate Brislin do a version on their Heart Songs cd. Buddy & Julie's version is probably my favorite of all that I've heard. DB. |
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05 May 11 - 09:09 AM (#3148475) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: kendall I vote for Joan Baez on this one. She does it straight without messing with the melody.Never liked Jody Stecher's voice. |
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05 May 11 - 09:14 AM (#3148479) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: Wesley S Here's one of my favorite songs by Buddy and Julie with some great photographs as a backdrop: Ellis County |
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05 May 11 - 09:16 AM (#3148481) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: Midchuck Whatever one thinks about Stecher's singing, I think his guitar intro to RS&N on "Heart Songs" should be required listening for every guitar player, but especially every bluegrassy flatpicker. It's a textbook illustration of making beautiful music with as few notes as possible, rather than with as many as possible. Peter |
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05 May 11 - 09:20 AM (#3148484) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: pdq Jody Stecher does the "string bending" thing so often that it can distract from the music. |
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05 May 11 - 10:09 AM (#3148510) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: Chris in Portland I think the best version EVAH was by Betsy Redhead, with the Chicago group Redhead in the '70's. Any Chicago folkies agree with me? We haven't heard from Art Thieme for a while. Art, hope you're out there and well. Chris |
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05 May 11 - 11:54 AM (#3148570) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: kendall I agree Peter. He is an excellent picker. Kate is a sweetheart. |
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05 May 11 - 12:04 PM (#3148577) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: olddude my buddie Barry and his nephews doing a great job on this song I think rock salt and nails |
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05 May 11 - 03:09 PM (#3148712) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: Bonzo3legs Buddy has been a hero of mine for some years. |
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05 May 11 - 03:32 PM (#3148733) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: Bonzo3legs http://tela.sugarmegs.org/alpha/b.html You can download a number of Buddy Miller shows from here. |
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05 May 11 - 04:29 PM (#3148775) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: GUEST,Roger in Baltimore I heard Utah discuss this song once on the radio. It resulted from a broken relationship (duh!). He said then that he did not sing it any more because it was too angry. Well, it certainly is an angry song. It is obvious from the numerous covers that many others found it had a strong message for them and others. I grew up in a family where anger was seldom, if ever, expressed. Of course, it was there as it is in many families. I'm attracted to angry songs and I certainly like this one. Especially, I like how it moves from such a calm opening that gradually relates a sad experience and then briefly teases with a calm, country classical last verse that turns violent at the end. As an aside, I had heard growing up about people chasing people out of their gardens with shotguns filled with rock salt and nails. The idea being to break open the robber's skin with the nails and then increase the pain by putting salt in the wounds. Who dreams that stuff up!?! Supposedly it would not be fatal. Anyone have any experience (at either end) with a shotgun loaded with "Rock Salt and Nails? Roger in Baltiore |
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05 May 11 - 05:40 PM (#3148823) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: Midchuck Rock salt, maybe, if you had an old muzzle-loader. But putting nails in the load is likely to cause one or more of them to wedge sideways, and blow the gun up, along with the upper half of the shooter. I think that part's probably myth. Peter |
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05 May 11 - 08:28 PM (#3148923) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: Stewie I prefer Steve Young's rendition, but there are many excellent ones. I am interested in Bobert's use of the word 'shits'. Unless language has changed in recent times, if you associated that term with anything here in Oz, it would mean that it was bloody awful or repugnant. --Stewie. |
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05 May 11 - 08:47 PM (#3148929) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: frogprince I've heard various stories, mainly in fiction, of loading a shotgun with rock salt, with the intention of inflicting serious pain on an intruding person or animal non-fataly. But, apart from the real danger of blowing up the gun that midchuck mentioned, including nails would be particularly vicious. There would be no way to say it couldn't wound fatally, and someone could very well die in much worse agony than if the salt wasn't included. |
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13 May 11 - 09:23 PM (#3153716) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: GUEST Poster is Bobert. Sorry, Stewie, took so long to get back to ya'... "The shits" is kinda a Georgia term for far-f'n-out... B~ |
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10 Dec 11 - 09:48 PM (#3271832) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: GUEST,Richie "Buck" Neal Hey Buddy, It's been 45 years or longer since we saw each other. Hope you remember the good old days in Mandeville, La. and the National Guard with my brother Gene Neal. I was watching a replay on Austin City Limits of you with Patty and Emmy Lou. Hope all is well with you and as always, you were greart as ever. Would love to hear from you, if you have a chance, and time for an old friend these days. Richie |
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11 Dec 11 - 05:16 AM (#3271923) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: kendall This is one of those songs that can be ruined with too much instrumentation. And, too many singers just don't have the voice for it; they "Holler on key" instead of singing it. |
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11 Dec 11 - 11:58 AM (#3272062) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: Elmore I'm always glad that someone is recording one of Utah's songs. I feel that he was underrated as a songwriter, because, particularly in his later years,he performed only a few songs in concert, and mostly told jokes and stories. This may have been due to some health issues which prevented him from playing the guitar as well as he would have liked. These are not criticisms, just observations. He was such a unique, lively, thoughtful man that I still find it hard to believe that he's gone. Off the thread, but I don't care. |
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11 Dec 11 - 01:12 PM (#3272107) Subject: RE: Buddy Miller's 'Rock Salt & Nails' is... From: deepdoc1 My favorite version is the Steve Young (and I think Betsy Kaske?) version on Folked Again album. Very effective instrumentation, not too much hollerin'. Too close for second is Rosalie Sorrel's classy take. |