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10 Jun 11 - 11:50 PM (#3168761) Subject: BS: IDIOT children From: Mrrzy I mean really, how obvious do you have to BE these days to get busted with as little as one gram of pot! I know he's 16 and 6 feet tall but I'd still like to paddle his asymmetrical little fanny! |
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11 Jun 11 - 12:25 AM (#3168764) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Teach him the magic word, and its meaning......."Maintain!" GfS |
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11 Jun 11 - 03:33 PM (#3169013) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: GUEST,Raggytash Just my thoughts but I not think you call children idiots, if a lad of that age has been caught with a gram of dope....so what, did many people of our generation not do the same, I was not inclined to smoke dope but my mates did. Fortunately they were never stopped by the police, but for the grace of god go I. |
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11 Jun 11 - 03:41 PM (#3169019) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: gnu Agreed Mrrzy but shit happens eh? Tell him he's gotta leave the pot at home in a safe place. |
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11 Jun 11 - 04:54 PM (#3169029) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Amergin I agree with Raggytash in that you shouldn't call him an idiot....that word is just so blase and over used....no you should call him something more creative...I for one prefer the term demonspawn when referring to children. As for his idiocy for getting caught with less than a gram...well, if working on the Guide to Bad Parenting has taught me anything, you have to be creative in your punitive measures...while paddling his butt, may be humiliating for him, (or for you if he just laughs) it just isn't enough. One thing you could do, is to look everywhere for his stashes when he's not around...and then replace it with oregano....while you keep and smoke the good stuff yourself. Then, he will take his "pot" and smoke it with his friends...and then wonder why no one got high. They'd get pissed at him, for leading them on...and he would be quite embarrassed. Then, every time after you find one of his stashes, you can repeat...it will work until he catches on....be careful, it could back fire. He could pull the same trick on you. |
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11 Jun 11 - 04:56 PM (#3169032) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: michaelr Well, "demonspawn" tends to say more about you than them... |
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11 Jun 11 - 05:00 PM (#3169036) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: gnu Idiot is perfectly fine... it denotes disdane for inane actions. I doubt it is intended as degrading, demeaning or in any way abusive in this case... I think it expresses disappoinment more than anything else. Lighten up eh? |
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11 Jun 11 - 05:07 PM (#3169042) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Gurney We just sent to an English relative a DVD by a clinical psychologist called Nigel Latta. It's called 'The Politically-Incorrect Guide to Teenagers.' The constant theme is that they are basically not right in the head. So Mrrzy is quite right. Nigel Latta is a very, very funny man. The DVD is a collection of lectures given to a large audience composed largely of parents, but with a scattering of teenagers there. The teenagers mostly looked stunned and thoughtful, the parents were almost crying with laughter, when they weren't looking wryly at each other. |
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11 Jun 11 - 06:32 PM (#3169066) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Jean(eanjay) Be grateful it was only as little as one gram of pot. |
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11 Jun 11 - 08:20 PM (#3169104) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Little Hawk He wasn't an idiot, he was unlucky. The idiots are the people who would pass a law that allows the arrest of someone for being found with one gram of pot on them. The idiots are the ones who legally attack people for making their own free choice to use a relatively harmless plant for personal recreation, while sending other people overseas to invade and occupy smaller countries. The idiots are the people who design and build atomic bombs. And I could go on with further examples of extreme idiocy...but I won't. However, when one lives in a society with idiotic laws and idiotic policies, both domestic and foreign, one is wise to act carefully and not run afoul of those laws. But if all the teenagers who've ever had a gram or more of pot on them were arrested, they've have to turn 3 or 4 states of the USA into a giant walled compound just to contain all of them! (standing room only) And that's why I say he was unlucky. |
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12 Jun 11 - 03:00 PM (#3169425) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: GUEST,leeneia I just read a book from the library written by an English woman whose son got into the 'new' pot - something called skunk. He flunked out of his expensive high school. He got a 16-year-old pregnant. (One abortion got through.) One day he slugged his mother in the side of the head and broke her eardrum. He left home and lived hand-to-mouth. And all the time he maintained that his dealer was a great guy and he trusted him completely. Marijuana is no longer cute. Mrzzy, the dealers are after money. Cut off the kid's money supply and they will lose interest. I hope. |
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12 Jun 11 - 03:10 PM (#3169432) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Donuel Force the authorities to present the 1 gram of pot in evidence. Make them test it. Have a second test done by outside authorities. There should not be enough to test, or it is lost, or it has been replaced by the police etc. If you are in Massachsettes the fine is $50 and is not even a misdemeanor. IT is equivalent to a parking ticket. An idoiot has greater mental capacities than a moron and should have an IQ as high as 50 or 60 |
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12 Jun 11 - 03:15 PM (#3169434) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Stringsinger Remember that Albert Einstein was declared an idiot in his youth. I think it's the idiot adults that you should worry about. |
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12 Jun 11 - 04:32 PM (#3169482) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Sawzaw Marijuana: Health Effects Immediate/short-term effects of use/intoxication * Produces state of relaxation, happiness, euphoria (a drug "high") * Can intensify perceptions (sounds, colors seem more intense; enjoyment of music or art may seem intensified) * Increases appetite and thirst * Produces dry mouth * Dilates blood vessels, including in the eye * Reduces intra-ocular pressure * Can decrease nausea * Impairs time perception * Impairs attention, judgment, and other cognitive functions * Impairs ability to store and retrieve learned information—thus, it impairs memory (by affecting the hippocampus) * Impairs coordination and balance (by affecting the cerebellum and basal ganglia) * Increases heart rate (by affecting the hypothalamus and brain stem) * Can cause anxiety and panic attacks (by affecting the amygdala) * Slows reaction time * Impairs ability to focus attention and shift attention * Impairs ability to track objects moving into or across one's visual field * Impairs perception of velocity and acceleration of other vehicles on the road * May affect implantation of a fertilized embryo in the womb * Can impair erections * Persistent (lasting longer than intoxication, but may not be permanent) * Produces tolerance * Produces withdrawal * Impairs memory and learning skills * Can lead to depression and decreased motivation/interest * Can affect work/school attendance/performance * Can interfere with adolescent emotional and cognitive development. Long-term (cumulative, potentially permanent effects of chronic abuse) * Can lead to addiction * Increases risk of chronic cough, bronchitis, and emphysema * Can interfere with immune system * Increases risk of cancer of the head, neck, and lungs * Decreases testosterone levels, sperm counts, and sperm motility * Causes retired Canadian hippie's dicks to fall off unexpectedly Information courtesy of Michael M. Miller, M.D. |
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12 Jun 11 - 05:02 PM (#3169497) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: gnu Interesting health effects, especially regarding Canucks. |
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12 Jun 11 - 08:45 PM (#3169615) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Little Hawk I have never been in favor of marijuana use. I think it's a pretty foolish practice. I think making its private use illegal is even more foolish, and very counterproductive, but it's done wonders for organized crime. What I would be in favor of would be leaving people alone to make their own decisions about whether they choose to injest marijuana, tobacco, caffeine, refined sugar, alcohol, laxatives, antibiotics, tranquilizers, and other harmful drugs....but to advise them clearly regarding the specific health risks of each. And then let them decide. That's what you all do anyway. Every day. YOU decide on your chosen vices. You don't like other people deciding what you should do on your own time. You don't like them deciding what you should eat, drink, smoke, or do. Don't think you have the right to decide for them either. You don't. Nobody does. |
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12 Jun 11 - 09:50 PM (#3169630) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Dorothy Parshall A number of States have already decriminalized pot, the only sensible thing to do. I certainly realize it has some ill effects on some people in some quantity but nothing like alcohol. The teen mind is not sufficiently developed to make intelligent decisions about "little things" like that. He will simply have to suffer the consequences but you need to try to take it in stride and support the kid but not the poor decision. One friend of mine had six kids; In the sixties and seventies, they grew it between the corn. They dried it in the house and, being a long way up a dirt road, wee alert to any intruders long before arrival. The kids have all become more than acceptable members of society, including a graduate of MIT. I'd tell you what my kid did at that age but he is still embarrassed by it, 30 years later. |
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12 Jun 11 - 10:28 PM (#3169643) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Bobert Fuck it!!! Just get high with him and once the two of ya'llz have a nice buzz going say to him... "Hey, ______________, I loves ya' but I gotta play parent here... There are two types of people... Dumb and smart... Pick the later... Kid gonna smoke pot if he wants to... Reality 001 (remedial reality, non credit) So if ya' gonna go on some redneck fundamentalist ass whoopin' things you are better off trying to get yer kid to understand the judicial risks... In other words... ..be smarter!!! BTW, even though I have been "a stoner" (horrors) for the last, ahhhh, 40 or so years, I never smoked around him... He discovered it elsewhere before we had to have the above conversation... "What, dad??? You have been smoking marijuana for the last 30 some years??? I can't believe it!!!" So.... ...back to reality!!! What you gonna do??? It's friggin', ahhhhhhhhh, life!!! B~ |
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13 Jun 11 - 08:13 AM (#3169810) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: GUEST,Patsy Mrzzy it's understandable to react like that but my guess is that he was probably shocked into not wanting to repeat the incident ever again, a similar thing happened to mine. But 16 is still young and we sometimes do daft things around that age that we would rather forget, just part of experience. We can only hope that they learn by the mistakes. |
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13 Jun 11 - 09:12 AM (#3169834) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Nigel Parsons If we all learnt from our mistakes ... I'd be a genius by now! Learn from the mistakes of others ... You don't have time to make them all yourself! |
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13 Jun 11 - 09:27 AM (#3169844) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: McGrath of Harlow I think that IDIOT is as offensive a word as any in the English language, including any beginning N or C, and should be used about as often. Especially in a thread heading. |
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13 Jun 11 - 11:25 AM (#3169920) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Unusually, I agree with MGoH wholeheartedly. In the UK, it is actually forbidden in schools to call any child such names. I used to stress about my kids doing anything like that, but learned quite quickly that juvenile curiosity trumps parental advice every time. I was fortunate that their curiosity didn't run to drug use. All you can do is bring them up with knowledge of the dangers of certain activities, and hope that one day you'll hear the best four words of all,........"You were right Dad!" Calling them idiots is not only pointless, it may provoke a rebellion and further problems. Don T. |
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13 Jun 11 - 12:11 PM (#3169955) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Mrrzy What was idiotic (to me) was getting caught, not getting high. However it turns out he was ratted out, which makes me feel a little better about how stupid he was being (a lot less than I thought) BUT he feels that since he was ratted out he made no errors in judgment in getting to where he COULD be ratted out, so that is where the argument is now. I don't call him an idiot to his facce but he knows I think it was imbecilic of him to get caught, or to end up with someone whom he knew was not getting on well with his own parents... it was the grandmother's boyfriend who called the cops. And my kid was the one carrying the scale, so it looks worse than it was... *sigh* all over again. |
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13 Jun 11 - 12:28 PM (#3169966) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: SINSULL If he was smoking pot in the grandmother's house, she could implicated in drug trafficking. Let him get caught in his own house and leave the neighbors out of it. |
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13 Jun 11 - 01:30 PM (#3169995) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: MGM·Lion A bit belatedly ~~ WHAT, precisely, is this thread about? I have a feeling that the OP should have linked to some news item but didn't; so that, while I extrapolate that it is in some way concerned with a 16-yr-old who got busted for possession of some minuscule quantity of pot, the details seem to be exiguous. May we have the link, or some more details of the original story, please? ~Michael~ |
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13 Jun 11 - 04:02 PM (#3170065) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: gnu "I don't call him an idiot to his face..." There ya go. Never mind the thread drift about name calling. Yas all didn't really think that was the case, did yas? Jaysus. Opps... I hope yas don't start drifting about that there "Jaysus." Sorry if I offend but I feel youse all have offended Mrrzy. That's my take anyway, for what it's worth. Your mileage may vary. |
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13 Jun 11 - 05:38 PM (#3170106) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Smokey. Anyone who claims never to have been an idiot is probably too idiotic to have noticed. |
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13 Jun 11 - 06:47 PM (#3170127) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Richard Bridge Fuck. I have to agree with DonT. (apart from his homily about English law about which he knows nothing). |
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13 Jun 11 - 08:52 PM (#3170177) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Don(Wyziwyg)T ""(apart from his homily about English law about which he knows nothing)."" Take your foot out of your mouth Richard. I made no mention of English law, aso your comment is both ill informed and irrelevant. I do however have considerable knowledge about the operation of English schools, having worked in one for sixteen years, and I assure you that a very good way to terminate your employment is to call any child any such name. You really must improve your aim when delivering your well known snide asides. Don T. Don T. |
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14 Jun 11 - 09:51 AM (#3170425) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: GUEST,leeneia Thanks, Patsy. It's good to hear from someone who's been through this kind of thing. |
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14 Jun 11 - 06:15 PM (#3170681) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Ann N A close relative of mine, who'd been very bright and easy going , could pick up tunes and play them on practically any instrument after hearing them only a couple of times, sailed through exams, enjoyed learning and was put up for a scholarship to one of the best English public schools 'experimented' with marijauna. He dropped out of school,has no qualifications, now has the attention span of a gnat, the commonsense of a 5 year old, is a drug addicted paranoid schizophrenic with violent temper tantrums when he doesn't get his own way, a 'relaxed' attitude to other peoples possessions ( what's yours is his) and has had all of the side effects listed below * Impairs memory and learning skills * Can lead to depression and decreased motivation/interest * Can affect work/school attendance/performance * Can interfere with adolescent emotional and cognitive development. Long-term (cumulative, potentially permanent effects of chronic abuse) * Can lead to addiction * Increases risk of chronic cough, bronchitis, and emphysema * Can interfere with immune system * Increases risk of cancer of the head, neck, and lungs Add double pneumonia to the list, the cancer was neck cancer If getting busted stops the lad from going through all this then it will have been a blessing in disguise. |
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15 Jun 11 - 12:05 AM (#3170790) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Richard Bridge "it is actually forbidden in schools to call any child such names" You mean that that was not a proposition of law? You mean that a person could be dismissed (and be unable to obtain redress at a tribunal) if it wasn't? Don, you weren't a teacher. You were a handyman and cleaner. Your airs and graces about educational experience are not well earned. |
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15 Jun 11 - 12:28 AM (#3170800) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: gnu Even this thread becomes about the posters and name calling and crap? Jaysus! Knock that shit off children! gnightgnu |
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15 Jun 11 - 09:24 AM (#3170930) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: PatrickRose I agree with gnu. |
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15 Jun 11 - 11:59 AM (#3170995) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Don(Wyziwyg)T OK by me. Somebody tell the ARSE who doesn't have a clue about Local Education Authority rules or the duties of a site manager. Don T. |
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16 Jun 11 - 10:41 AM (#3171472) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: GUEST,Patsy Isn't it better to be able to let steam off here, cool off and then deal with the situation? I wish I had had access to Mudcats back then. |
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16 Jun 11 - 12:23 PM (#3171515) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Mrrzy No news story Michael, just my complaining... it was one of my twins, the one who has always been a little more trouble than the other. It was the other twin's scale, though! Court tomorrow, we shall see... |
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16 Jun 11 - 04:13 PM (#3171632) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: gnu I hope it's a slap on the wrist and he learns something. Where are you again? I forget a lot these days. I didn't smoke enough pot... switched to beer in my late 20s... bad move. |
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16 Jun 11 - 04:42 PM (#3171647) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Mrrzy I wish I could learn to like beer, but I just can't get past the taste. Wonder if it goes with cashews and cilantro and licorice... but I digress. If you want to know more, PM me, don't nose around my friends please, thank you! No, this isn't you, if you're wondering. |
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17 Jun 11 - 07:13 AM (#3171864) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: GUEST,Patsy I have two boys too, not twins but quite close and one a little more trouble than the other so I know exactly what you mean Mrrzy. I am about to meet my lesser troubled son for lunch and we will have a beer and all will be well, I hope! |
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17 Jun 11 - 06:28 PM (#3172081) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: gnu Peanuts. |
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18 Jun 11 - 12:00 AM (#3172170) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Gurney Mrrzy, beer goes with fish-and-chips/fries, and it is the only drink that I can drink with that. And it goes with nothing else, for me, except salty snack-foods like Gnu's (salted roast) peanuts, and crisps. I can also drink it 'for itself,' of course. |
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18 Jun 11 - 06:26 AM (#3172249) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: gnu Oh... yeah... fries with beer... mmmmm. Something about good fries and beer. Deeeelicious. Dunno why I didn't - well, maybe it's because I haven't eaten fries in about two years becasue I am on a diet. |
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01 Jul 11 - 10:57 PM (#3180073) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Mrrzy So we go see the intake officer this morning and the law changed this morning so they can no longer just slap on the wrist, he has to have a least 3 court dates, I assume so we can pay fees... at the end of which they may send him back to have his wrist slapped. Way to balance the budget, Virginia. |
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02 Jul 11 - 01:14 PM (#3180237) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: gnu 3 court dates? Seems odd. |
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02 Jul 11 - 03:32 PM (#3180316) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Mrrzy One for plea, one for trial, one for sentencing. I'm sure it's for the fees. |
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03 Jul 11 - 01:35 PM (#3180768) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: gnu Oh. So, he's gonna plead not guilty? Seems odd. |
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20 Aug 11 - 04:59 PM (#3210072) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Mrrzy Right, OK, here we are exactly 10 weeks later and we have a shoplifting for robitussen and a caught drunk on a softball field because when everybody climbed the fence to run away, MY kid climbed... this is NOT funny... ...into the batting cage. *sigh.* |
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21 Aug 11 - 10:11 AM (#3210342) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: SINSULL It is not funny, M. Been there; done that. Still paying the price. I have no advice but I do wish you well. Mary |
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21 Aug 11 - 12:44 PM (#3210402) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Maryrrf My boys had their moments when going through their teens. It's difficult to be a single mom with two boys, but we got through it and they're both doing fine now - my oldest will be 30 (gulp) tomorrow and the younger is 27. There were some rough times though...good luck and white light to you. |
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21 Aug 11 - 02:50 PM (#3210476) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: gnu Awwww... Well, just love him and hope. |
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21 Aug 11 - 09:11 PM (#3210615) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Mrrzy Confab tonight with the people who ran away - we'll see if they man up or not. |
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22 Aug 11 - 09:38 PM (#3211189) Subject: RE: BS: IDIOT children From: Mrrzy They say they'll man up. We'll see. Today I get a call that he got knocked of his bike by a car, his fault, he's fine. Claims he saw the cars but was "impatient" and knows full well it was his fault. Contusions and abrasions, mostly on his ass. Cosmic spanking, I'd say. I'm trying to get him counseling ASAP. He is a danger to himself and others. |