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22 Sep 99 - 07:42 AM (#116382) Subject: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Steve Parkes My little brother has a lot to answer for! He plays the saxophone for starters. He's also re-awakened an interest from my childhood for French popular songs from the post-war period, by the likes of Edith Piaf and Charles Trenet, which were fairly well-known in GB in my youth. I've started swapping cds with him, and I've found sources on the Net with les paroles (details on request) ... and this is where the problem starts. I can understand a lot, but not all of the words. I've found a couple of sites that translate French into (often hilarious) English, but of course they don't translate les nuances (does one's heart really go "bang!"?). If anyone out there shares our interest and has the language skill to match, and would be happy to get into long-winded discussions about le Chanson, do get back to me. Steve |
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22 Sep 99 - 11:13 AM (#116430) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Jerry Friedman Je peux t'aider un peu--non pas comme un veritable francais. C'est mieux m'envoyer enamel, parce que je ne lis pas le Chat de Boue tous les jours. Ni toutes les semaines. I can help you a little--not like a real Frenchman. It's better to send me e-mail, since I don't read the Mudcat every day. Or every week. (I just read the fascinating Hokey-Pokey thread, so I trust no one will believe that "enamel" is French for "e-mail".) |
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22 Sep 99 - 11:14 AM (#116431) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Jerry Friedman That enamel address being jfriedman@nnm.cc.nm.us |
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22 Sep 99 - 12:35 PM (#116465) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Steve Parkes Well, we learn something new every day! I knew that "email" is German for "enamel" already ... I'll send you a Teflon-coated communication first thing in the morning, as je depart chez moi now. Steve |
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22 Sep 99 - 01:14 PM (#116481) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Stolzi@aol.com I loved this stuff in my misspent youth, had albums by Les Compagnons de la Chanson, Juliette Greco, Patachou, Robert Clary, and so forth. I might be able to help, though my French est un peu rusty. Tell me the site, and which lyrics you're particularly interested in. S'il vous plait. Moi aussi, send e-mail just in case I can't get back here, merci! |
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22 Sep 99 - 01:17 PM (#116483) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Stolzi@aol.com In case that wasn't clear - the artists I mentioned sang songs by your favorites, and others (Charles Aznavour, Gilbert Becaud...). In fact I think Les Compagnons did backup for Edith Piaf at one point in their careers. Saw a wonderful documentary not long ago on Bravo about the art of French chanson. Very nostalgic. |
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23 Sep 99 - 08:32 PM (#117084) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Jo Taylor Mon cher, je suis très desolé. Je peut t'aider - je parle francais après une mode! Bien oui, j'habite en France, tu sait!! Adresse-moi sur les pages perso de le chat boué et j'essayerai... maintenant je vais partir pour lire mon enamel (nous disons aussi 'mél') mes baises
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24 Sep 99 - 03:26 AM (#117194) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Steve Parkes Jo, personne aime un(e) smart-arse! Les songs are sur leurs way. Etiannot |
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24 Sep 99 - 10:50 AM (#117269) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Nancy-Jean Je suis ancien prof de français, mais aussi américainne comme la tarte à la pomme! Vermontaise, en effet!!! Quand j'étais à Paris en 1961, j'ai commencé une collection de chansons tradionnelles folkloriques. I am very interested in French folk songs and will help de mon mieux (as they say). |
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24 Sep 99 - 11:37 AM (#117292) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Steve Parkes I thought tarte à la pomme was some kind of derogatory Australian expression for our innocent English young ladies! I'll send you what I've sent the others. Steve |
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25 Sep 99 - 07:33 PM (#117690) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Jo Taylor Steve, thanks, got 'em... hehehe! I love those babelfish translations... We have a very proper English-to-French translator, amusing to do it back again into English - sorry about the subject matter here - we are on septic tank drainage, so these things are important! 'Please do not put panty liners down the lavatory, put them in the bin provided' came back after double translation as 'Please do not put passenger boats in the toilet, put them in the bread bin'. I've always wondered about translation of literary works, poetry, songs etc... the translator puts them into his / her words; therefore these words should have the same literary merit as the original... if they have, why is the translator not a writer? Surely one needs BOTH talents to do the task successfully,otherwise the translation is just a technical exercise??? Anyone have any thoughts on that? Anyway I'll have a go at the songs - can't be any worse than the 19th century French Mauritian legal documents in archaic, almost illegible handwriting that I've just been doing... baises, Jo |
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28 Sep 99 - 03:37 AM (#118364) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Steve Parkes Hi Jo, just got back after a l-o-n-g weekend seeing the sights in Beds an Bucks. Sorry I forgot to put in any formatting when I sent out the copies of my e-mails; still, I trust everyone who got 'em managed to make some sense of it all. I love that "passenger boats in the toilet" - I'm sure there's boundless possibilities for songs, for those who can write them, not to mention a new thread, maybe. I heard, years ago in the days of coal-fired mainframes, of "out of sight, out of mind" going into Russian and coming back as "invisible lunatic"! There are English/American versions of a lot of French songs, but they only share the tune and the title (and not always that!); they're meant not to be translations. If anyone else is interested in the mysterious lyrics we're talking about, let me know and I'll post 'em here. Steve |
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28 Sep 99 - 10:22 PM (#118713) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Mat Freeman Yes, please do post the lyrics in question. Speaking of mysterious French songs--anyone familiar with a song with the title (roughly translated): "Don't Look Back at Your Life Though the Rear-View Mirror"? Something like this: "Je n'ai regarde pas la vie dans ton(?) retroviseur." I'd be grateful if anyone could lead me to the album or the artist. Mat in Alaska |
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29 Sep 99 - 03:37 AM (#118778) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Steve Parkes OK, here it is in its entirety - a copy of the e-mails/messages I've sent so far: Hi guys! There's a site here http://www.comnet.ca/~rg/menu_ch.htm with a lot of songs on it (most of which I don't know!). There's this place, http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate, which gave me the two hilarious translations below. I've copied Boum! and La Mer here:
BOUM!
La pendule fait tic-tac-tic-tic
Mais... boum!
Boum!
Tout a changé depuis hier et la rue
Boum!
Le vent dans les bois fait hou-hou
Mais... boum!
Boum!
Car mon amour est plus vif que l'éclair
Boum!
LA MER
La mer qu'on voit danser le long des golfes clairs
La mer au ciel d'été confond ses blancs moutons
La mer les a bercés le long des golfes clairs
And here are the translations:
The Sea
The sea which one sees dancing along the clear gulfs
The sea with the sky of summer confuses its white sheep
See close to the ponds these large wet reeds.
The sea rocked along the clear gulfs
Bang!
The clock makes to tic-cTac-tic-tic
But... boom!
Bang!
All changed since yesterday
Bang!
The wind in wood made hou-hou
But... boom!
Bang!
Because my love is sharper than the light
Bang!
I think that, while La Mer loses something in the process, Boum! seems to gain a, er, je ne sais quois. Curious how 'boum' becomes 'boom' or 'bang' depending on the context, or lack of it. I don't know how it arrived at things like tic-cTac-tic-tic, but it adds to the charm in some way I think, nest-ce pas? I particularly like 'the biche with the barks'! (Apparently, that should be 'The hind in her death-throes' - yechh!) And in the last-but-one verse, it manages to get 'light' and 'flash' the wrong way round, among other things. |
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29 Sep 99 - 03:45 AM (#118780) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Steve Parkes Oops - sorry about the non-blue-clicky-things! Mat, I don't know your retroviseur, but avec mes souvenirs j'ai allumé le feu. Steve |
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29 Sep 99 - 11:40 AM (#118869) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: M. Ted (inactive) Steve. I have been following this thread, and haven't said anything, but I am a big Charles Trenet fan, as well as a fan of Edith Piaf and such-- I haven't accessed the site that you list, but have used this one: http://www.math.umn.edu/~foursov/chansons/index.html which has most everything, old and new, that I have needed to look up-- The translator is kind of strange,(as if it wouldn't be!) because if you enter line by line, you sometimes get a different translation than if you enter the whole text--if there are untranslated words, sometimes you can enter them alone and get a translation, as well-- Some borrowed English words get translated, often amusingly and idioms are also amusing, because sometimes it translates literally and sometimes it looks for a comparable idiom-- God knows why it translates the same word or phrase in two or three different ways during the course of a song, and of course, the translator has no notion of meter or rhyme-- It is a shame that the songs were re-written in English, rather than translated, because Trenet is a wonderful lyricist--"Somewhere Beyond the Sea" isn't even about the same thing as La Mer-- I think there was an English version of "Boum!" but all I can remember is "Boom! Why does my heart go "Boom"?" Anyway, if you find it, I am interested in the lyrics to the old Maurice Chevalier song, "Valentina" and of course, their translation--
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30 Sep 99 - 03:38 AM (#119248) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Steve Parkes That's a good long list of songs - I may be some time! Actually, I shall be away 'til Monday, so keep on translatin'. Steve |
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30 Sep 99 - 07:00 PM (#119544) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Jo Taylor Steve - sorry - my modem got zapped & I hadn't copied the lyrics over... off line for a couple of days - am I too late? desolé - Jo x |
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30 Sep 99 - 07:39 PM (#119552) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: M. Ted (inactive) Ah, actually, I was only giving you the address--I can translate anything I need to on my own--that is to say by my self-- |
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01 Oct 99 - 02:56 PM (#119833) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: John New ( johnnew.ginger@virgin.net) Bonjour mes amis. Je suis un nouveau (literally) visiteur to the Mudcat Cafe site and saw your corres. re Trenet & Piaf. I love 'em to bits, but to use the parlance:"je ne sais pas pour quoi!" Ever since hearing a recording of Piaf singing 'La vie en rose' and feeling the hairs go up on the back of my neck. Why? I understood very little of the lyrics. Having had a holiday home in France for ten years, my French has improved and once I asked a French 'ami' of mine, why these songs should have such an effect. He looked at me with a knowing smile and said: "Ah, mon pauvre Rosbif. Maintenant tu es un peu Français, je pense! La chanson Français c'est une chanson de coeur. C'est pas neccessaire pour tu a connais les mots!" Fair enough. This conversation did take place around a bottle of pastis though! Two excellent C.Ds...... 'The Extraordinary Garden'The very best of Charles Trenet CDP 7 94464 2 released on the EMI label in 1990 25 tracks of the master from the 30's to the 60's + 'Paris by Night' A compilation of original recordings of Piaf, Trenet, Tino Rossi, Jean Sablon, etc. CDP 7 94478 2 Also on the EMI label 1990 Another good one is a recording of the French female 'realist singers' Piaf, Frehel, etc. It's very good, but I've left it at work, so I'll have to bring the details home and send them on. Nice chatting to you mes amis. A bientôt John
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01 Oct 99 - 03:23 PM (#119842) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: M. Ted (inactive) And the companion volume, "Paris after Dark", also a must! Also am a big Tino Rossi fan--I thought it was great when the three tenors did "Kateri, Kateri" but none of them could come close to his voice-- As to your friends comments, I have listened to and loved songs in languages that I don'tunderstand for years--I think that it often helps if you don't understand the lyrics--most of the songs that people hate, they hate because they have some issue with the words-- |
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01 Oct 99 - 08:52 PM (#119964) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Mat Freeman M.Ted, your comment about the "Boum/Boom" song had me rummaging around my Tintin books. I had this image of Thomson and Thompson singing a similar song. Sure enough, on page 1 of "Land of Black Gold," the detectives are singing along with a radio jingle for a tow-truck company: "Boom! One day your car goes Boom. Don't give up in gloom. Call Autocart to the rescue." Then their car blows up. I had never heard of the "Boum!" song before reading this thread, so I hadn't realized Herge was offering a parody. Mat
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01 Oct 99 - 10:31 PM (#119985) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: M. Ted (inactive) You probably just think that you've never heard it--it is one of those songs that got played a lot, used in movie and cartoon soundtracks, etc.--when you hear it, it will sound familiar! |
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04 Oct 99 - 04:04 AM (#120410) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Steve Parkes You can never be too late for me Jo - If it takes forever, I will wait for you ... that was un chanson francais - which one? At the risk of creeping mny own thread, but the hairs on John's neck remind me that there have been not a few singers (all female?) with raucous voices - Gracie Fields, and Judy Garland in her last years for example - who could do just that; they must have had a tremendous stage presence. Back to the subject!! |
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04 Oct 99 - 07:17 PM (#120718) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Jo Taylor Oooh, je ne sais pas, but it sounded wonderful Steve... bear with me, having intermittent computer problems again - the computer's come over all intermittent - and I've a thousand (paid type) things to do. Quite apart from just having got Cakewalk Pro and arranging unsuspecting tunes for preposterous combinations of instruments... mes baises Jo |
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04 Oct 99 - 08:04 PM (#120734) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Joe Offer Steven that phrase bugged me so much i had to search until I found the darn song. It's "Parapluies de Cherbourg (I Will Wait for You)" written in about 1965 by Michel Legrand, english lyrics by Norman gimbel. It was in the film The Umbrellas of Cherbourg. Click here for the English lyrics. Now we know. -Joe Offer- |
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05 Oct 99 - 05:37 AM (#120873) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Steve Parkes Joseph, what a brill film! It's all sung throughout, and in French too! I saw it with American subtitles, which was quite weird: "Merde!" doesn't mean "F*ck it!" ... maybe that was a different movie! Stephen |
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22 Oct 99 - 08:38 PM (#126993) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Mike Murray I am in rather immediate need of English translations of some Piaf tunes, particularly Milord--can anyone help or point me in a direction? Thanks! |
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22 Oct 99 - 09:50 PM (#127016) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: McGrath of Harlow Well it doesn't help with the translations, but if you're after the French luyrics, here's the place to go, which I stuck up there in the Midcat links list: Chansons francaises http://www.math.umn.edu/~foursov/chansons/index.html A massive collection of words of 20th century french chansonnier songs. Not strictly folk, but very definitely a living tradition. It's put together by a Russian mathematician living in the States. And he's got lots of other fascinating stuff in there as well. Babelfish is remarkably good for prose, but poetry and song defeats it, not surprisingly. But it can be useful; for getting a clue what something is about, and it's quicker than a dictionary. It can reraslly skew things about though - I'm thinking of using it as a tool to get a fresh angle on song writing. You know, write something, translate it back and forth a few times into various languages, and see if anythingnusable has emerged at the end. But it's a pity it doesn't do a few more languages. And I wish there was a bagelfish which could supply klezmerised lyrics at the push of a button. |
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23 Oct 99 - 12:00 AM (#127087) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Mark Cohen For a wonderful demonstration of the art of translating lyrics, and an introduction to my favorite French singer(actually Belgian, but he wrote and sang in French), check out Mort Shuman's lyrics in "Jacques Brel is Alive and Well and Living in Paris," recently redone as "Jacques Brel is...", since the original is sadly no longer true. I have a few of Brel's original recordings, as well as a book of his lyrics I picked up in Montreal in 1972, and Shuman's translations range from silly to breathtaking, but are mostly quite good. I was fortunate to hear Elly Stone perform in the show -- an American Piaf, sans doute. And yes, Jo, I think the best translators are necessarily excellent writers themselves, because a good translation is a literary work, not a mechanical reworking. Aloha, Mark Cohen |
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23 Oct 99 - 03:28 PM (#127228) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Miek Murray Shuman's Brel translations are extraordinary, in fact my theater often uses them in English language cabarets and they tend to be some of the most moving tunes that we use--"If We Only Have Love," "Timid Frieda," "Jackie" and so on. Right now, I'm devising a one woman cabaret that needs to have both French and English lyrics. Thematically and musically, I'm shooting for particular tunes, some Brel, Piaf, Aznavour, Trenet, Mistinguett, some folksier tunes, but I need to have good translations for the songs to be understood dramatically by an American singer, and interpreted appropriately for an audience. Oh well, the search goes on. |
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23 Oct 99 - 03:54 PM (#127234) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: M. Ted (inactive) A lot of songs have been either translated or adapted to English, and a number even were hits--depends on what you have on your list-- Que-Reste-Til was re-written in English as "I Wish You Love"--Judy Garland did especially well with it, but it was't the same song--Milord was an American hit for Piaf, and there were several english language covers of it, but it has been so long since I've heard them that I can't tell you if they were translated or "adapted"-- Then there is "Piaf", in which Elaine Paige did both English and French versions--but perhaps this is your inspiration, no? |
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23 Oct 99 - 07:04 PM (#127310) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: McGrath of Harlow Translated or adapted - I don't know where you draw the line between the two. It seems to me that for the French songs you have to adjust so much that it ends up more adaptation than translation. There's a great song called Les Louvres sont entres dans Paris by Serge Regghiani (well he sang it). It's on I've made a translation which turned into an adaptation, bringing it from Paris to London and so forth, and losing the direct symbolism of the wolves as Nazis - I did it because that week we had a wave of racist and homophobe bombing in London, and talk about some sinister group calling itself "the White Wolves". The Wolves |
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23 Oct 99 - 08:32 PM (#127341) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Wow. That was a big blue clicky thing. Thanks for that though, I shall check that out. Thanks to MTed too. I'm familiar with "Que Reste Til" and "I wish you love", but I haven't heard any English language versions of Milord--any idea who recorded them? There was actually a Piaf revue done in the 70's called "Je Vous Aime", which I believe had several Enblish language versions of her recorded hits. Can't find it anywhere though. My inspiration was not the Page musical, although I'm vaguely familiar with it. In some cases, literal interpretations of the tunes may serve better for me, as my singer can sing in French, but without knowing what the words mean. She'll want to be able to move her audience with something other than gibberish. Good "translated adaptations" would be nice too, for the parts of the show that will be done in English. The show won't be limited to Piaf, however. French popular song |
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23 Oct 99 - 08:39 PM (#127343) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Miek Murray sorry. i claim the previous unlabeled message |
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24 Oct 99 - 08:26 AM (#127451) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: McGrath of Harlow Correction - I wrote "Les louvres" and I meant "Les loups" - it means wolves anyway.
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20 Sep 01 - 08:50 PM (#555314) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Genie Does anyone have the French words to "La Mer" (Beyond The Sea)--and, maybe the English ones, too? |
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21 Sep 01 - 05:08 AM (#555583) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Wolfgang Genie, go there for three song titled 'la mer' and several more titled 'la mer...'. One of them should be your song, but I don't want to post half a dozen here. Wolfgang |
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21 Sep 01 - 08:28 AM (#555660) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Micca I realise that this may predate the period mentioned in the initial post but I am an Unreconstituted Rina Ketty fan,( even tho I do not speak or understand French) after hearing her on the soundtrack of the German film "Das Boot". I had the pleasure of hearing Noreen sing part of "J'attendrai" at Windy Bottom, from a book of French Chanson that someone had there.. after much searching, I have a CD of her and some Tino Rossi and Trenet. too so anybody who may want a tape(for research purposes) PM me... |
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21 Sep 01 - 08:38 AM (#555666) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: GUEST,mark I can probably help, but have a question of my own - the ultimate bilingual challenge is to find a satisfactory English translation of the following Piaf lyric, which still manages to convey the double entendre "La fille de joie est belle, Au coin de la rue là-bas, Elle a une clientèle, Qui lui remplit son bas".... I've never manged anything satisfactory |
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21 Sep 01 - 09:49 AM (#555743) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: M.Ted La Mer (Charles Trenet)
La mer qu'on voit danser
La mer au ciel d'été
La mer les a bercés The lyrics to the Bobby Darin version are not a translation of Trenet's wonderful poetry, they are "new"--I don't have them handy--
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22 Sep 01 - 01:54 AM (#556450) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: GUEST,Genie Thanks, Wolfgang and M.Ted. Genie |
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24 Sep 01 - 09:19 AM (#557638) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Steve Parkes Genie: try not to skip so much! I know it's a long thread, but La Mer is here, earlier on this thread. Bobby Darrin's Somewhere (beyond the sea) (I think that's the actual title) isn't anything like an attempt at a translation. I can't find the words anywhere, but someone out there must know them ... Meanwhile, here's my attempt at a literal translation: The Sea we see dancing along the sunlit bays Makes silver reflections, Reflections that change in the rain. The Sea, with its summer sky, Makes the fluffy clouds look like angels so pure; The Sea, shepherdess of infinite azure [boundless blue]. See, by the rock-pools, these tall watery reeds; See these white birds and these rusted dwellings! The sea has lulled them along the sunlit bays; And, with a song of love, The Sea has lulled my heart all my life. You could make something poetic out of that. Steve |
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24 Sep 01 - 01:59 PM (#557823) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: M.Ted this is one of those deja vu all over again threads-- |
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25 Sep 01 - 02:58 AM (#558044) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: GUEST,Genie Steve, Sorry I missed it above. Thanks for your translation. (I have 2 years of French and can usually translate it, unless it's old dialect, but I like to see other people's singable translations, too.) I wanted the Bobby Darin lyrics for their own sake, not as a translation. But somewhere in my vast stacks of paper, I actually have the sheet music. One of these months I'll find it. Genie
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25 Sep 01 - 03:21 AM (#558047) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Steve Parkes Do post the BD lyrics when you find them, Genie. It's interesting to compare the two versions (which are completely unrelated in this case, apart from "the sea"!). A lot of popular French songs have English versions which are based more on the song title than the original content. Autumn leaves isn't a bad attempt at Les feuilles mortes, but it diverges towards the end when it introduces an individual ex-lover, rather than a general loved-and-lost theme; "La mer a effacé les pas des amants ..." (if memory serves)--it's the sea again! Steve |
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25 Sep 01 - 02:54 PM (#558480) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: John MacKenzie Still to me one of the best translators, and possibly even singers of those same translations, is Jake Thackray [ Where is he now? ] He was very fond of George Brassens as am I, and his translation of Brother Gorilla is an absolute scream. Jock |
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26 Sep 01 - 02:52 AM (#559017) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: GUEST,Genie Steve, I will post the BD lyrics when I find them. Here is what I can remember, and I can't vouch for the accuracy of the second stanza. Perhaps another catter [the omniscient Joe Offer?] can fill in the gaps.
Beyond The Sea
Somewhere beyone the sea, somewhere [waiting for me?], My lover stands on golden strands [sands?] and watches the ships that go sailing.
[She's here, within, without, somewhere beyond the moon.] I know beyond a doubt that my [heart] will meet me there soon.
She'll meet me on the shore, we'll kiss, just as before. Happy we'll be beyond the sea, and never again I'll go sailing.
Here is the main verse to "Les Feuilles Mortes." I may have some spelling errors in my Francais, and, since I'm not in Word, I can't insert my French diacritical marks. Also, since I've been singing it [not reading it |
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26 Sep 01 - 02:55 AM (#559018) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: GUEST,Genie If anyone feels like cleaning up the above mess, please be my guest. I did not get all my line breaks in, for example. |
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26 Sep 01 - 06:09 AM (#559083) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Bert Forget the translation, I'd settle for a transcription of "Y vous voulez bien ecoutez, un chant d'amour" |
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26 Sep 01 - 08:00 AM (#559131) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Steve Parkes The results of my modest research: French lyrics by Jacques Prévert, English lyrics by Johnny Mercer, music by Joseph Kosma. And the French lyrics: Oh! je voudrais tant que tu te souviennes Des jours heureux oû nous êtions amis. En ce temps là la vie etait plus belle Et le soleil plus brûlant qu'aujourd'hui. Les feuilles mortes se ramassent a la pelle Tu vois, je n'ai pas oublié. Les feuille mortes se ramassent a la pelle Les souvenirs et les regrets aussi Et le vent du Nord les emporte Dans la nuit froide de l'oubli. Tu vois, je n'ai pas oublié La chanson que tu me chantais. C'est une chanson Qui nous qui nous ressemble Toi tu m'aimais Et je t'aimais, Et nous vivions Tous deux ensemble Toi qui m'aimais Moi qui t'aimais. Mais la vie separe Ceux qui s'aiment Tout doucement Sans faire de bruit, Et la mer efface sur le sable Les pas des amants desunis. And my attempt at translation (not to loose; but if anyone can tell me what la pelle means ..?) Oh! I'd so like you to recall the happy days when we used to be friends. Back then, life used to be very beautiful, and the sun shone brighter than it does now. The dead leaves piled up on the lawn[?] … You see, I haven't forgotten: The dead leaves piled up on the lawn, Memories and regrets as well, And the North Wind blew them away in the cold night of forgetfulness. You see, I haven't forgotten the song you used to sing me … It's a song that resembles us-- you, who used to love me; I, who used to love you-- And we lived, the two of us, as one: you, who used to love me; I, who used to love you. But life separates those who love each other, very gently, without fuss, And the sea washes away from the sand the footsteps of disunited lovers. Isn't that sweet? And sad, of course ... oû sont les amies d'antan? Steve |
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26 Sep 01 - 05:35 PM (#559353) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: M.Ted Lawrence Ferlinghetti, one of the last remaining beat poets, publisher, and owner of City Lights Bookstore, has done some wonderful translations of Jacques Prévert--he has the knack remaining true both the imagery and the scansion--so many translators rewrite with a wordy sort of floridness that violates the mood and intent of the original--worst of all making translated songs unsingable-- |
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27 Sep 01 - 02:15 AM (#559688) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: GUEST,Genie Steve, Thanks for correcting "mon Francais." I realized some of my mistakes soon after I posted. Here, for what it's worth, is my "singable translation" of the French lyrics: The two of us are like a love song, I loving you, you loving me. Along the sand we strolled together, I, who loved you, you, who loved me, But life can separate without a sound Those who love with all their hearts, And the sea will wash away the footprints Of lovers now torn apart. Genie |
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27 Sep 01 - 03:26 AM (#559710) Subject: RE: Help: Any Francophone Trenet/Piaf fans? From: Steve Parkes That's pretty good, Genie (whoops--litotes!). I may have to broaden my repertoire. I suppose you don't know what la pelle menas, do you? Steve |
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28 Sep 01 - 05:01 AM (#560556) Subject: Lyric translation: correction! From: Steve Parkes Aha! Found my frenzied Dick & Harry: "la pelle"="shovel". So, it's The dead leaves piled up on the shovel. Steve |