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05 Jul 11 - 11:59 AM (#3181846) Subject: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Stu Cameron's and B.Liar's big buddy Rebekah Brooks (see here for the tip of the iceberg), chief butt-licker and Vader-like hench-woman of execrable Aussie ex-pat Rupert Murdoch has proven that when it comes to being an amoral, feckless and ruthless arsehole she's made of the same stuff as her boss and his offspring. I mean, deleting messages off her phone? That's beyond sick. US readers might want to read this first. How Milly Dowler's family have suffered at the hands of the establishment (lawyers in court, now these tossers) beggars belief; sure proof if any were still needed that the division between 'us' and 'them' is getting deeper and wider. Now apparently it seems they might have been up to their tricks with the families of the two girls murdered in Soham. Is anyone still reading this piece of shit paper? Do the words 'compassion' or 'respect' mean anything anymore? |
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05 Jul 11 - 12:05 PM (#3181850) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: GUEST,davemc Rebekah Wade/Brooks was a cheerleader for New Labour. While her party were stuffing the country and she was battering her then husband (allegedly!) her staff were showing what Labour ethics are like.... no surprise there. Lovely Labour stuff. |
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05 Jul 11 - 12:20 PM (#3181861) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: John MacKenzie My hatred of the News of the World and it's ilk, knows no bounds. They are scum. What is it with seemingly normal people who become newspaper reporters, and immediately jettison all their morals? Murdoch is a bigger threat to the UK than any hostile government. The enemy within !! |
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05 Jul 11 - 12:25 PM (#3181868) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: gnu So sad. |
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05 Jul 11 - 12:28 PM (#3181869) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Penny S. I am still feeling totally staggered by the sheer, appalling, ghastliness of this. Especially the utterly stupid deleting of the messages. It beggars belief. Penny |
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05 Jul 11 - 01:29 PM (#3181916) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: SINSULL Somebody should go to jail for this and pay a huge compensation package to the family. Shameless. |
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05 Jul 11 - 01:37 PM (#3181920) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: GUEST,Shimrod I bet that, at this moment, Cameron and Milliband are plotting together to save Murdoch's arse and working out how they can worm their way even further up the same orifice! |
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05 Jul 11 - 02:00 PM (#3181934) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: melodeonboy I'm sad to say it doesn't surprise me that much! It is, after all, the bloody News Of The Screws! It's concerning, as some have already pointed out, that both Blair and Cameron, who pretend to set such high standards, and who have such an influence over events, are so pally with Murdoch and his toerags. |
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05 Jul 11 - 02:08 PM (#3181937) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: GUEST,livelylass One wonders was it the blackmail-shit that Murdoch's man Coulson had access to on Tory ministers which inspired Cameron to hire him, or the leverage-shit he had on Labour ones? Either way, considering the shit he had all over him, it was pretty clear that it was a well iffy cynical appointment by Cameron.. "Second chance" my backside! |
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05 Jul 11 - 02:08 PM (#3181939) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: alanabit The only thing to surprise me is that the story has got out and that Murdoch's bully boy lawyers have not yet managed to suppress the story. In the past, thugs like Robert Maxwell, Jonathon Aitken, Jeffrey Archer and Cecil Parkinson have usually been able to intimidate proper journalists into silence. God how I miss Paul Foot sometimes! |
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05 Jul 11 - 02:27 PM (#3181949) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: McGrath of Harlow The only thing to surprise me is that the story has got out The surprising thing is that the chicken media have paying any attention to it, and that the police have finally been forced into taking some notice of it - at the time it happened the News of the World openly bragged about having access to the online phone calls involved, and even talked about them with the police. From today's Guardian: "The paper made little effort to conceal the hacking from its readers. On 14 April 2002 it published a story about a woman allegedly pretending to be Milly Dowler who had applied for a job with a recruitment agency: "It is thought the hoaxer even gave the agency Milly's real mobile number … the agency used the number to contact Milly when a job vacancy arose and left a message on her voicemail … it was on March 27, six days after Milly went missing, that the employment agency appears to have phoned her mobile." The newspaper also made no effort to conceal its activity from Surrey police. After it had hacked the message from the recruitment agency on Milly's phone, the paper informed police about it. It was Surrey detectives who established that the call was not intended for Milly Dowler. At the time, Surrey police suspected that phones belonging to detectives and to Milly's parents also were being targeted. One of those who was involved in the original inquiry said: "We'd arrange landline calls. We didn't trust our mobiles."" The claim by the then editor of thew News of the World, Rupert Murdoch's favourite side-kick Rebekah Brookes, that she didn't know anything about it is both absurd and an obvious lie. |
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05 Jul 11 - 02:53 PM (#3181960) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Jack Campin Meanwhile, seems like they concealed crucial evidence in another case: http://news.scotsman.com/news/Tommy-Sheridan-39might-not-have.6795925.jp |
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05 Jul 11 - 05:34 PM (#3182047) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Penny S. It has now come out that the NotW was following a police detective involved in another murder case "to see if he was having an affair with a CrimeWatch presenter" actually his wife. Words fail Penny |
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05 Jul 11 - 05:42 PM (#3182051) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Will Fly I heard in the evening news that several large corporations such as Ford are now withdrawing advertising from the News of the Whores. Excellent - let's hope the buggers lose both sales revenue and ad revenue and go bust! |
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05 Jul 11 - 06:11 PM (#3182065) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Greg F. Murdoch is a bigger threat to the UK... Hardly just the UK. He's been buggering us Yanks as well for years. |
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05 Jul 11 - 06:35 PM (#3182076) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Richard Bridge Murdoch IS a hostile ruler. |
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05 Jul 11 - 09:57 PM (#3182141) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: JennieG Please don't refer to him as "Aussie Rupert Murdoch", he took out American citizenship several years ago. We in Oz don't want him. Cheers JennieG |
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06 Jul 11 - 12:22 AM (#3182190) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: alanabit Don't you have prisons in Australia, Jennie? |
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06 Jul 11 - 03:12 AM (#3182228) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: JennieG We most certainly do, but Rupert took himself off to the You Ess of Ay many years ago. He certainly doesn't live here, it's probably not a big enough pond for him to swim. Cheers JennieG |
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06 Jul 11 - 04:19 AM (#3182250) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Stu Channel 4 News (the only decent news programme left apart from Newsnight) interview a News Corps spokesman last night who confirmed the internal investigation into this scandal is to look at the time when Brooks was editor, and is being led by, er, Rebekah Brooks. Jon Snow had the spokesman on the ropes throughout, although the poor chap was rather witless and it was like shooting fish in a barrel. The look of fear on the guy's face said it all. |
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06 Jul 11 - 05:21 AM (#3182272) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Fred McCormick Absolutely sickening. This won't bring the Murdoch empire crashing down, alas, but it bloody well ought to. As for Rebekah Brooks, I'd propose bringing back hanging just for her, but people might think I was joking. How the hell do these creeps live with themselves? |
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06 Jul 11 - 05:28 AM (#3182277) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Let's hope that some good at least comes out of this, and Murdoch's plans to take over BSkyB are smashed beyond recovery. The advertisers may well take care of the Sunday rag. Without them it's tits up. How appropriate. Don T. |
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06 Jul 11 - 05:34 AM (#3182280) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Richard Bridge Have to agree with DonT. |
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06 Jul 11 - 05:41 AM (#3182284) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Jack Campin It now appears Murdoch also hacked the phones of the relatives of the 7/7/2005 Tube bombing victims: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14040841 |
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06 Jul 11 - 05:53 AM (#3182291) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Richard Bridge Nice to see the BBC having the chance to put the boot into Murdoch! |
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06 Jul 11 - 05:54 AM (#3182292) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Big Al Whittle Say what you want about Maxwell. At least he jumped off his boat when he nicked the pensions money. When Cameron does it, he enlists the Daily Mail to say that letting him nick the money is the patriotic duty of every public employee. |
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06 Jul 11 - 07:23 AM (#3182321) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Penny S. I noticed this morniing that the Mail did not mention this story on the front page. Still on public servants appalling behaviour. I wonder why they're going easy on Murdoch. He was inside. Penny |
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06 Jul 11 - 08:37 AM (#3182362) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: John MacKenzie The payment of cash for information by the newspapers is endemic. It goes on in many fields, not just the police, but also civil servants. Because of the culture among journalists to never disclose their sources, it's not going to stop. |
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06 Jul 11 - 09:07 AM (#3182378) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: John MacKenzie Just heard that the News of the World have announced that they think they have found out who authorised the phone hacking. Looks like they've found a scapegoat. That was quick. The person involved will probably be, either retired, emigrated, or dead. Whatever scenario, they will almost certainly no longer be in the employ of Murdoch. That's my guess anyway. |
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06 Jul 11 - 10:06 AM (#3182413) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Richard Bridge Maxwell jumped? How then did he tear the muscles in his arm? |
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06 Jul 11 - 12:55 PM (#3182511) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: John MacKenzie Self abuse? |
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06 Jul 11 - 03:55 PM (#3182596) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Michael Tossed overboard? Mike |
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06 Jul 11 - 04:04 PM (#3182603) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Jim Carroll "Lovely Labour stuff." Rings a bit hollow as of the scum hackers is a David Cameron adviser. Tweedledum - Tweedledee!! Maybe one lesson to be learned is that you couldn't squeeze a credit card between either party nowadays. Jim Carroll |
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06 Jul 11 - 06:07 PM (#3182660) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Jack Campin And now it seems they were hacking the phones of dead soldiers' relatives: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14052909 |
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06 Jul 11 - 08:48 PM (#3182741) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Donuel It is a good thing that Rupert Murdoch's multi billion dollar Sky Net deal with the UK is unaffected by this minor little distraction. (said on Fox business channel) |
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07 Jul 11 - 03:43 AM (#3182895) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Michael There used to be fly a poster which said: " No matter who you vote for the government will win". I suspect that Murdoch will come out of this without a stain. Mike |
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07 Jul 11 - 04:57 AM (#3182934) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Stu It's alleged they have been hacking the phones of the families of dead soldiers. Un-fucking-believable. |
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07 Jul 11 - 06:08 AM (#3182959) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: McGrath of Harlow "I suspect that Murdoch will come out of this without a stain." How do you stain a stain? When Dennis Potter, the TV playwright, was dying, he called the cancer that was killing him "Rupert" in recognition of Rupert Murdoch's contribution to modern society. |
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07 Jul 11 - 06:43 AM (#3182973) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: DrugCrazed Least this level of bollocks doesn't happen in my part of journalism. No point hacking a games developer, because they will take you to the hangman. |
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07 Jul 11 - 07:16 AM (#3182992) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: GUEST,Patsy It is despicable that the News of the World has cold heartedly used dead victims and their families in this way. |
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07 Jul 11 - 07:27 AM (#3182998) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: John MacKenzie I'm glad that people are at last realising how venal and nasty the NotW is. I was screwed by them, and that other organ of prurience the Sunday People, over 40 years ago. They certainly opened my eyes to what shits so many journalists are. Ever since, I have refused to have anything to do with either paper, to the extent, that if you came to my door with one or the other filth mongering rag in your hand, you would not be asked inside, unless you got rid of the offensive item. I hope they go bust! |
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07 Jul 11 - 08:32 AM (#3183032) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Bobert Rupert Murdock is one of the 5 most dangerous men in the world and it would be nice to see him taken down... We don't need any more of his propaganda shoved down out throats... B~ |
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07 Jul 11 - 09:54 AM (#3183069) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Michael How do you stain a stain? Good point, McGrath. But one good turd deserves another. Mike |
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07 Jul 11 - 09:58 AM (#3183071) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Penny S. |
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07 Jul 11 - 11:08 AM (#3183110) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Peter K (Fionn) To follow up Penny's point, the deleting of messages was not stupidity. It released space for more messages for the criminals to hack. It is good news that Rupert came out so unambiguously in support of Rebekah. It means that when her goose is cooked, as it will be, the greater will be the damage to his own tarnished reputation. In the end the most serious element of the saga will be the criminal relationships between police and NOTW staff. Rebekah told MPs several years ago that the NOTW had paid police for information, which under England & Wales law is bribery and corruption. Police took no action. All the info now dribbling into the public domain about whose phones were hacked was seized by police five years ago (in the form of 11,000 pages of NOTW investigators' notes, containing 4,000 names) but again the police saw no need to pursue the matter. When Tommy Sheridan challenged the NOTW in court and was ultimately jailed for perjury, former NOTW editor Andy Coulson gave evidence against him and stated on oath that he was unaware of any NOTW payments to corrupt police. Yet he had been sitting beside his boss Rebekah when she blurted out that such payments had indeed been made. Police meanwhile confirm that NOTW has mysteriously found emails "lost" at the time of the Sheridan trial indicating that payments were made to "a small number" of police officers. Advertisers are falling away in fistfuls, aware that rival publications will next Monday publish rolls of shame, listing the advertisers still supporting the paper. (To see which are still backing Murdoch and to add to the public pressure on them, start here: Let NOTW advertisers know your view.) Sidenote for Jenni G and Greg F: yes, Murdoch operates worldwide, but neither IS or Oz would allow him anything like the monopolistic grip he has on the UK media. The most cheering aspect of the whole business is that it will rumble on for months and years, damaging the Murdoch and NOTW brands all the while. I suspect the NOTW title will eventually go under completely, which would be quite something for the biggest-selling English-language newspaper in the world. At the very least it is having its Perrier moment. Hats off to Tom Watson MP, Chris Bryant MP and Private Eye who are among the brave few who have risked the wrath of Murdoch to expose his sleazy empire. |
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07 Jul 11 - 11:14 AM (#3183111) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Peter K (Fionn) That should have been US, not IS, in my ulti-penunltimate paragraph above. |
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07 Jul 11 - 11:22 AM (#3183114) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Richard Bridge Cut and paste follows: please do all use the facilities listed there to write to your MPs by email NOW Dear Richard, Could this be the week we finally turn the tide on Rupert Murdoch? Pressure to weaken his grip on our media and our democracy is building. Let's work together to get the clean-up operation started. Disgust at the behaviour of Murdoch's newspapers has pushed politicians to start speaking out. [1] But we need to make sure our MPs follow through with real action. If MPs start hearing directly from thousands of their voters, we can push them to finally stand up to Murdoch. It only takes 2 minutes to email your MP. Click to get started: https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/Murdoch-MP https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/Murdoch-MP For far too long, MPs have been scared of Rupert Murdoch. Now they need to be brave. If they have the guts, there are three things they can do immediately to stop the rot in the UK media: 1. Stop Murdoch taking control of BSkyB [2] 2. Start a Public Inquiry, led by an independent judge, right now [3] 3. Start an investigation by media regulator Ofcom into whether Murdoch is a "fit and proper" media owner [4] Yesterday, we finally heard some MPs admit to the way Murdoch calls the shots over our democracy. "We've fallen for threats", they said, and "we were not courageous enough", "we've colluded for too long". [4] That's a start, but now they need to act to match their words. Together we can push them to overcome their fear of the Murdoch press and listen to their voters. Tell your MP it's time to be brave and stand up to Murdoch: https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/Murdoch-MP Time and again, as 38 Degrees members work together to campaign for a fairer, greener, more democratic Britain, we come up against the might of Murdoch. Whether it's protecting our health service or our environment, or getting real action to tackle the excesses of bankers, too often his papers do all they can to get in the way. Murdoch's papers have behaved appallingly. But some good could still come of it. This could be our chance to finally level the playing field and get politicians answering to voters, not media barons – let's work together to seize it! https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/Murdoch-MP Thanks for being involved, David, Hannah, Becky, Johnny, Marie, Cian and the 38 Degrees team PS: We'll be delivering our 100,000-strong petition to the official consultation into the BSkyB power grab just before the deadline at midday tomorrow. There's still time to add your name in 30 seconds – here: https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/Murdoch-deal-petition NOTES: [1] Full timeline from BBC here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12253968 [2] More on that here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14059572 [3] See for example: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/06/phone-hacking-inquiry-full [4] Telegraph piece on Ofcom: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/8621586/Phone-hacking-News-Corp-bid-for-BSkyB-may-be-scuppered-by-fit-and-proper-owner-test.html [5] See the whole debate in parliament here: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmhansrd/cm110706/debtext/110706-0002.htm#11070680000004 |
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07 Jul 11 - 11:24 AM (#3183115) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Seayaker And now in an act of arch hypochrisy Murdoch has declared that the actions of the NotW were unnacceptable! It would be funny if it wasn't so serious. |
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07 Jul 11 - 11:43 AM (#3183126) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: GUEST,Shimrod Breaking news. This Sunday will be the last issue of The News Of The World. Britain's biggest selling Sunday newspaper will cease to be. Sad news to many. |
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07 Jul 11 - 12:13 PM (#3183149) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: John MacKenzie YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY |
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07 Jul 11 - 12:46 PM (#3183169) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Stu The web domains thesunonsunday.com and thesundaysun.com were registered two days ago. Prepare for the Sun seven days a week. The Murdochs have sacrificed loads of innocent workers rather than take responsibility for their own actions. Brooks should go. It's incredible to see those scared of News Corp on the BBC news channel. James Whittingham is scared shitless, cowed and utterly intimidated by Murdoch et al. This is a con. |
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07 Jul 11 - 12:57 PM (#3183174) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: McGrath of Harlow This is a bit like a Balloon Game. Who'll be next to be chucked over the side? The Sun on Sunday will probably be even worse than the News of the World. The Financial Times had an editorial saying more or less "This whole affair is disgraceful. It is time that Murdoch imposed his authority." Which is more or less analogous to saying after 911 that it was high time Bin Ladin put his foot down. |
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07 Jul 11 - 01:02 PM (#3183177) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: alanabit Six years ago my birthday was marred by the terrible news of the July 7 bombings. I will remember today as the wonderful day on which the end of News of the World was announced. That really has made my day! |
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07 Jul 11 - 01:08 PM (#3183181) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: GUEST,livelylass "The Murdochs have sacrificed loads of innocent workers rather than take responsibility for their own actions." Precisely my immediate response - Murdoch sure knows how to ruthlessly sever a limb! As the free-lance fellow on Newsnight said last night, the NotW buying public would fast forget this affair next week and be back buying, any immediate financial losses would be quickly recouped as the "strategic" withdrawal of nervous advertisers stepped back in again after the furore dies down. What's the readership of the NotW? Something like 2 million? That's a major severance by Murdoch. However the major problem for Murdoch isn't financial losses from short-term glitches, but the long-term effects of negative association to his global news empire brand. This decision is an indication of just how intent he is on securing that BSB Sky deal. |
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07 Jul 11 - 01:11 PM (#3183183) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Peter K (Fionn) As predicted at 11.08am above. But temper your rejoicing. As McG has cautioned, this is just a rebranding exercise. They were already planning to merge the Sun and NOTW operations, the latter having been a long-term loss-maker. They will however lose some readers in the process, and therefore advertising revenue pro rata. |
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07 Jul 11 - 01:14 PM (#3183186) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: SPB-Cooperator Good riddance to bad scum! I would not normally wish this on anyone (in the human race), but I hope that they will be refused benefits, and die under a bridge either of hypothermia, or with a needle in their arm. |
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07 Jul 11 - 02:01 PM (#3183233) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: John MacKenzie There's still the Sunday Sport, for the sort of brainless eedjits who buy NoW |
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07 Jul 11 - 02:56 PM (#3183264) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Alan Day I was second, after his Wife, to find a horrific suicide victim, that was down down to a corrupt person in a newspaper. He stole months of work that the suicide person had been writing. An article,he being told that it was not good enough and then it was published word for word (as I had read it, before it was sent).He left a Wife and two daughters.It took me a long time to get over it such was the horrific nature of his death. Good riddance to the N of the W ,but their exploits are a spot in the ocean. Al |
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07 Jul 11 - 03:51 PM (#3183314) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Peter K (Fionn) Looks like the net is closing in on Andy Coulson, at least. He's obviously been hung out to dry by the Murdochs, along with most of the NOTW staff, in a desperate effort to save Rebekah's skin - in which case we can hope he will do some dirt-dishing himself. Even if he honours journalistic omerta it's hard to see how Rebekah can avoid having her collar felt. The cops are under too much scrutiny themselves to risk taking any more pay-offs. |
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07 Jul 11 - 04:41 PM (#3183356) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: McGrath of Harlow I would guess that the reluctance on the part of the Murdochs to dump Rebekah isn't based on personal loyalty or affection, but because she is in a position to dish dirt that would damage them badly. |
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07 Jul 11 - 08:39 PM (#3183478) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Donuel I had absolutely nothing to do with this. |
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08 Jul 11 - 05:11 AM (#3183616) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: GUEST,Patsy I really hope that there aren't any idiots out there that will buy the very last News of the World because of that very fact. Already the announcment is that it is the 'very last' edition. Murdoch is a cold ruthless businessman right to the last. |
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08 Jul 11 - 08:15 AM (#3183681) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Peter K (Fionn) Patsy, some will certainly want to buy the last, souvenir, edition. I might myself - in which case it will take its place beside my "Charles to Wed Astrid - OFFICIAL" edition of the Daily Express, and the Private Eye with a Jeremy Thorpe supplement: "Cut it out and save it for your grandchildren - Amaze them with How He Got Away With It!" What will it look like, bereft of advertising? What will it's editorial say?? I think we're entitled to be curious. But don't worry - whole edition will be produced at Murdoch expense. All revenue will be going to charity, in a solemn and sanctimonious gesture of hand-wringing by Murdoch and Son. I have started a new thread about the wider implications of Hackergate. |
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08 Jul 11 - 03:53 PM (#3183914) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Don(Wyziwyg)T ""The Murdochs have sacrificed loads of innocent workers rather than take responsibility for their own actions." Precisely my immediate response - Murdoch sure knows how to ruthlessly sever a limb!"" If Murdoch doesn't find places for the staff he is sacking the redundancy packages will have to be extrsordinary, as he can't afford any single disgruntled employee deciding to boost his pension by selling Murdoch out to the Telegraph. As it is, Andy Coulson will certainly be pointing out that all this started long before he became editor. Bye bye Rebekah............I never did go for these trendy modern spellings of Christian names. With luck, Murdoch will be bled white as a result of severing that limb. Serve the bastard right! Don T. |
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08 Jul 11 - 04:29 PM (#3183934) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: SPB-Cooperator What are households going to line their cat-litter trays with now? |
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08 Jul 11 - 05:01 PM (#3183945) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: YorkshireYankee For those of you who don't subscribe to BBC Radio 4's "PM" (M-F hour-long news magazine programme, anchored by the wonderfully acerbic Eddie Mair) newsletter, here is today's effort, which I personally considered to be a masterful summation of the situation: "Hello. "Tonight will be the last edition of PM. "The programme has a fine tradition dating back to 1970 of fighting crime, exposing wrongdoing and getting people to send in photos of their kitchens. "But it is now clear to me that when PM agreed to pay off Nils Blythe and send him to a job at the Bank of England, I was not in full possession of my faculties. It is a matter of serious regret. "Of course I didn't know anything except what I did know and that is quite clear. Things were wrong yet much was right. I introduced a new code of practice 20 minutes ago and have now torn it up. "I'm afraid that since we started co-operating with the police - five minutes ago - it has become clear that we, and by we I don't mean me, must apologise to you. The only sensible way to show you how seriously I take this is to fire the entire PM production team and carry on and sort this mess out. "Thank you." =============== Brilliant, yes? |
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08 Jul 11 - 06:09 PM (#3183976) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: SPB-Cooperator The Institute of Fundraising has this to say about accepting money from NotW |
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08 Jul 11 - 06:46 PM (#3183994) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Richard Bridge I think that "Rebekah" is probably not a CHRISTIAN name. |
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08 Jul 11 - 08:22 PM (#3184057) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Notwithstanding their need for cash, I do seriously believe that charities should turn their backs on money earned out of the misery of bereaved and vulnerable families. Murdoch's methods (and I'm bloody certain that nothing happens in his business empire without his knowledge and consent) are about as dirty as it is possible to imagine. Freedom of the press does not, and should not, mean freedom to oppress the weak, the vulnerable and the bereaved. The fact that Murdoch is unaware of that fact makes him, IMNSHO, a person unfit to preside over the operations of any media......INCLUDING BSkyB, and the callous sacrifice of the few innocents on NOTW staff, and the multitude of suppliers to that paper, far from absolving him, merely confirm just how ruthless and uncaring a bastard he really is. He should now be forced to relinquish ownership of any British Company which is owned or indirectly controlled by News Corporation, and debarred from obtaining any such in the future. British papers can be sleazy enough without this slimy scum calling the shots. Don T. |
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09 Jul 11 - 03:47 AM (#3184183) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Richard Bridge Damn! I have to agree with Don T again. |
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09 Jul 11 - 08:57 AM (#3184278) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: GUEST,Marianne S. Is no one going to object the the statement that 'I think that "Rebekah" is probably not a CHRISTIAN name.' Many girls who are at least nominally Christian have the name Rebecca in various spelling, but what this person is saying appears to be that it is Jewish name. Surely anti-semitism has no place on here. If I have mis-interpreted this, please tell us what you actually meant. If you believe that Ms. Brooks is behaving like this because she is Jewish, then please say so openly. If you dare. |
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09 Jul 11 - 09:16 AM (#3184286) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: GUEST,livelylass Unsure how you infer anti-semitism from the correct assertion that Rebekah is in fact the traditional spelling of an old Biblical (ie: pre-Christian) name, rather than a modern trendy spelling as a previous poster suggests? |
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09 Jul 11 - 09:24 AM (#3184288) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Richard Bridge My point was that it is incorrect to term all first names as christian names. Please don't project your own thoughts or fears onto me. If you want to check the roots of the name, start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca |
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09 Jul 11 - 09:52 AM (#3184298) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: GUEST,Marianne S. Your post, if that is what you meant, was ill-expressed. Would you have said 'Jane is probably not a CHRISTIAN name'? Personally I refer to first or given names. livelylass. Since I speak neither Hebrew nor Aramaic I cannot comment on the 'correct' spelling of Rebekah. However as the original documents were not written using the modern alphabet it is difficult to know how either 'Rebekah' or 'Rebecca' could be regarded as correct. Just as with modern Chinese or Arabic, Latin forms are an approximation of the original. Actually I find it difficult to see how you interpret RB's post as a critisism of modern tredny spelling. |
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09 Jul 11 - 09:54 AM (#3184299) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: GUEST,Marianne S. And yes, I do know I mis-typed 'criticism' |
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09 Jul 11 - 10:14 AM (#3184318) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: GUEST,livelylass I didn't say that Rebekah was the "correct" spelling but a (I'm happy to withdraw "the") "traditional spelling of an old Biblical name" as opposed to a (quote) "modern, trendy spelling of [a] Christian name" - as was suggested below by Don T. As Don T was evidently the poster Richard Bridge was replying to, I took my reading of Richard's comment in terms of the context it was being made. It is possible that we both misinterpreted his comment, however I found no anti-semitism therein and am uncomfortable with the ease with which such serious accusations can often be leveled particularly, as in this instance, on such flimsy grounds. |
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09 Jul 11 - 01:30 PM (#3184452) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: McGrath of Harlow Stuff about "antisemitism" here is a red herring. Possibly unintentionally so, possibly not. ................. Here's a link to an excellent piece in Newsweek by Carl "Watergate" Bernstein, pointing the finger very much at Rupert Murdoch himself - Murdoch's Watergate? "...The circumstances of the alleged lawbreaking within News Corp. suggest more than a passing resemblance to Richard Nixon presiding over a criminal conspiracy in which he insulated himself from specific knowledge of numerous individual criminal acts while being himself responsible for and authorizing general policies that routinely resulted in lawbreaking and unconstitutional conduct. Not to mention his role in the cover-up. It will remain for British authorities and, presumably, disgusted and/or legally squeezed News Corp. executives and editors to reveal exactly where the rot came from at News of the World, and whether Rupert Murdoch enabled, approved, or opposed the obvious corruption that infected his underlings." |
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09 Jul 11 - 02:22 PM (#3184487) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: GUEST,Marianne S. Sorry, red herring? Why? It was a comment on a post made on this thread. Going on about how you spell thingy's name is a red herring if you like. I would prefer to concentrate on her actions rather than her name or possible religion. I don't think either has anything to do with it, which is why I queried why it was being raised. I may be the only contributer who has actually been papped by the Murdoch 'press'(though my connection was with the story was not direct) and you cannot imagine the depths of my hatred and disdain for that organisation and the hurt and damage they do, and no, I'm not going to go into detail and rake it all up again but they savaged an innocent person in order make a cheap joke. No other reason. |
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10 Jul 11 - 07:10 AM (#3184779) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Dave the Gnome I think stick, wrong and end can be applied to the criticism of RBs post. My name is David and I would say it was a Christian name pureley becaused I was 'Christened' David. If however anyone was to point out it far from Christian in origin I would certainly take no offence and I am sure that Richards post did not intend any. Going off on a tangent about anti-Semitism where it doesn't exist is counter productive. Goodwins Law here we come... DtG |
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10 Jul 11 - 10:18 AM (#3184823) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: goatfell Rupert Murdoch is an Ausssie, becuase he was born there. |
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10 Jul 11 - 01:27 PM (#3184919) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: saulgoldie And, once again, here is Andy Borowitz... A Letter from Rupert Murdoch Where I Stand on the News Corporation Scandal Dear Friends, As details of the scandal surrounding my company, News Corporation, have emerged in recent days – including employees hacking into mobile phones and bribing the police – my defense has been consistent: I had no idea what was going on. Now, I'm sure many of you are wondering, how could I, Rupert Murdoch, one of the most powerful men in the world, have no idea what is going on? The answer, my friends, is simple: I get all of my information from my own newspapers. If you relied on News of the World, The Sun, and The New York Post for your information, I can assure you that you wouldn't have a clue what was going on, either. Some of you aren't buying this argument. You maintain that a media titan like me would get his information from sources beyond newspapers – like TV, for example. Well, that's true. But in my case, the only TV I watch is the Fox News Channel. So not only do I not know what is going on around me, I know nothing about the theory of evolution, global warming, or President Obama's birthplace. If you still don't believe that I know nothing, here's a final piece of evidence: I paid $500 million to acquire MySpace. Case closed. Now that we've established that I know nothing, let me address some of the allegations about News Corp. that have come up in recent days: first and foremost, that our reporters have regularly bribed the police to obtain information. I am shocked and appalled by this charge. News Corporation has a longstanding zero tolerance policy regarding information, both the getting of it and the publishing of it. Going forward, we will be subjecting our employees to a series of random information tests. Any employees found to be possessing even trace amounts of facts will be immediately terminated. Finally, it has come to my attention that several of my company's tabloids have featured pictures of women with their shirts off. I am as shocked by this news as you are and I intend to launch a full investigation. In closing, I want to assure you that I intend to make amends for any and all of the wrongdoing perpetrated by employees of News Corp. in recent years. And to that end, I have plan: I implore the British government to let me own 100% of the satellite broadcasting giant B-Sky-B. I have made some grievous mistakes with the media properties I already control, and the only way I can think of to make things right is by controlling even more. Your friend, Rupert |
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10 Jul 11 - 02:04 PM (#3184941) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: DrugCrazed I'll just leave this here and we'll say no more. |
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10 Jul 11 - 06:38 PM (#3185103) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: DrugCrazed Sigh. It's the Mirror so I don't believe it, but still... |
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11 Jul 11 - 08:04 AM (#3185354) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Peter K (Fionn) Marianne S's whingeing paranoia is surely a kind of advocacy that the Jewish cause could do without. Rupert himself, incidentally, is a papal saint. Among other things of course. STOP PRESS: NOTW have "discovered" meails indicating they paid a police protection officer for personal contact information of senior members of the Brit royal family. |
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11 Jul 11 - 12:20 PM (#3185492) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Herga Kitty It's now being alleged that the Sunday Times illegally obtained and published personal info about Gordon Brown's family.. Kitty |
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11 Jul 11 - 06:59 PM (#3185732) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Don(Wyziwyg)T The good thing about it is that Murdoch has withdrawn his demands for immediate acquiescence in the purchase of BSkyB, asking for it to be referred to the Competition Commission, which will take at least six months, more probably twelve. He thinks that insisting on an answer now will dish the whole deal, and is hoping it will all blow over by the time the CC announces its decision. We however have at least six months to impress upon the government, the cost in votes of making the wrong decision now. That should be enough. Don T. |
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11 Jul 11 - 07:22 PM (#3185741) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Howard Jones This story gets murkier by the minute. It doesn't help that the other media and the politicians who are all busy making further allegations all have their own agendas. For the media, NI is obviously powerful competition, with the prospect of becoming even more powerful. It would clearly benefit them if Murdoch were to fail in his bid for BSkyB. Besides, how confident can we be that their own journalistic practices were always beyond reproach? As for the politicians, they hate Murdoch because they can't trust him to back them. Labour loved him when his papers won them an election, then hated him when they switched back to the Tories. The Tories live in fear they'll switch their support back again. In the meantime they all cosy up to try to keep in his favour. They need Murdoch's power, but at the same time they'd like to see it reduced. Before anyone jumps on me, I'm NOT defending Murdoch, simply pointing out that there are a great many layers to this, and that those who are now working hard to bring about his downfall may have other concerns besides the truth, pure and simple. A lot of scores are being settled here. Remember what Wilde had to say about the pure and simple truth, and apply a bit of healthy cynicism to everything you read and hear. |
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12 Jul 11 - 06:05 AM (#3185941) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: banjoman Leopards dont change their spots. TNOW always was a dirty rag when I first new of it over 60 years ago. Favourite statement "Our reporter made an excuse and left" It, and the rest of Murdochs lot, are not fit even to be used for that most basic of uses for paper as there is enough sh**t on them already. Head should roll over all this, and I question whether or not of signifies the end of newspapers altogether. There is enough evidence to sugest the Cameron should resign and/or call a general election. |
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12 Jul 11 - 07:36 AM (#3185980) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: GUEST,Patsy It doesn't matter how Rebekah's name is spelt she is certainly the most well known face and barnet at the moment that's for sure, outdoing the new Duchess of Cornwell, Cheryl Cole and even the latest arrival for the Beckhams. Incredible. |
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13 Jul 11 - 05:35 AM (#3186539) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: GUEST,OldPossum "Rupert Murdoch is an Ausssie, becuase he was born there." For a moment I read that as "Rupert Murdoch is an Asshole, because he was born there." |
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13 Jul 11 - 10:08 AM (#3186683) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: GUEST,Jon They've dropped the Sky bid |
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13 Jul 11 - 11:03 AM (#3186727) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Yep, as I suggested, Murdoch has been forced to give up. Crooks don't always win. Don T. |
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13 Jul 11 - 12:59 PM (#3186807) Subject: RE: BS: Hacking a murdered girl's phone From: Richard Bridge Don't underestimate the wrinkly weasel. The front page of today's Sun may hint where he is heading next... |