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24 Jul 11 - 07:50 AM (#3194159) Subject: BS: A traditional Englalnd batting collapse? From: alanabit It looks lke the England batsmen are doing what they do best again! Oh dear! |
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24 Jul 11 - 08:39 AM (#3194167) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional Englalnd batting collapse? From: greg stephens It's a game of two halves. The first innings was quite adequate. |
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24 Jul 11 - 08:42 AM (#3194168) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional Englalnd batting collapse? From: alanabit It was indeed Greg, but if England do not bat until the end of the day, they are going to take a hiding, aren't they? |
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24 Jul 11 - 09:13 AM (#3194178) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional Englalnd batting collapse? From: Arthur_itus Very disappointing after the first innings. Also, very disappointing that they didn't make the Indian's follow on. Anyway Morgan and Prior are working very hard to build a partnership. 100 for 5. A lead of 288. |
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24 Jul 11 - 10:59 AM (#3194226) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional Englalnd batting collapse? From: alanabit Yes, the most important thing now will be to stay in long enough to declare when they are ready. It is going to be close! |
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24 Jul 11 - 11:31 AM (#3194241) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional Englalnd batting collapse? From: alanabit It is all shaping up a little better now. England have a lead of 390 and four wickets left. It looks like they are going for a lead of 400 or slightly more and then a declaration. I guess it is all about tomorrow now! |
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24 Jul 11 - 12:06 PM (#3194259) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional Englalnd batting collapse? From: MikeL2 hi A recovery - looks like India are going to have to make over 450 to win......or to hang on for well over a day to draw. Hard task ahead but with Tendulkar.........who knows. He is one of the real all-time best batsmen. I think England are a little apprehensive about him. I fgeel they will bat on until they are confident that at least they can't lose. Come on England.... Cheers Mikel2 |
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24 Jul 11 - 12:07 PM (#3194260) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional Englalnd batting collapse? From: alanabit So England declare at 269 for six. That was a pretty heroic partnership by Prior and Broad after the wheels very nearly came off earlier. |
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24 Jul 11 - 04:23 PM (#3194467) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional Englalnd batting collapse? From: Arthur_itus Ian Botham said on sky that the wicket gets flatter and more playable as each day goes by. So unless the bowlers are at their very best, India will hang on for a draw. I hope not as it would be great to beat them. Come on England. |
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25 Jul 11 - 09:28 AM (#3194862) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Bonzo3legs I never understood cricket or the jargon that goes with it - the stuff of party bores along with anything to do with tennis!! |
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25 Jul 11 - 10:17 AM (#3194901) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon India 178 for 5 and Tendulkar now gone. I doubt they will hold out. |
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25 Jul 11 - 10:27 AM (#3194912) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit India have scored thirty-seven runs in the twenty-two overs since lunch for the loss of one wicket. That gives a pretty clear indication of their intentions, I think! |
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25 Jul 11 - 10:35 AM (#3194922) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit I may have spoken too soon. India have just scored nineteen runs in the last two overs and are now 198-5 after 77 overs. If they keep that up, they can win! |
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25 Jul 11 - 10:39 AM (#3194927) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 Hi Alan I see that they have Trott and Pieterson bowling - they are trying to "buy" a wicket. You can expect runs to flow freely in this situation. I think it is still on for England but they have to break this stand. Cheers Mikel2 |
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25 Jul 11 - 10:44 AM (#3194931) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit I am sure you are right Mike. I thought England might go for squeezing the run rate until the Indians try to hit out. On the other hand, that could well encourage them to stay at the crease and bat out a draw. I guess there is no harm in giving this tool a try too. Wish I had it on TV in front of me here! |
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25 Jul 11 - 11:42 AM (#3194983) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 hi Al Skipper has gone......game on.....!!! Cheers Mikel2 |
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25 Jul 11 - 12:16 PM (#3195010) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit Looks like it Mike. India have three wickets left and need over two hundred runs. They have to dig in and bat until the close of play now to get a draw. I think it is going to be close! |
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25 Jul 11 - 12:22 PM (#3195019) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit It is looking better now. India are at 269-9... |
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25 Jul 11 - 01:06 PM (#3195052) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit Job done! How about that Mike? |
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25 Jul 11 - 01:15 PM (#3195062) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: The Sandman INDIA were without their best bowler.the series will probably be drawn, a fairly good bet i would think.7 to2 are good odds, it has to be taken into consideration that indias best bowler was injured. |
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25 Jul 11 - 03:15 PM (#3195151) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 hi Alan Yes an excellent performance all round. Every English player chipped in but Pietersen, Broad and Anderson stood out. The Prior/Broad partnership was crucial after a typical cave in by the English batting order threatened to give the game to India. Winning this game against the World's No 1 team must give the team confidence to repeat the situation but obviously this won't be easy. India will fight back and we will have to be at our very best. I hope to be going to Nottingham at the week-end. My son has managed to get some tickets. Let's hope the weather doesn't play up and that both teams give of their best. Cheers Mike |
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26 Jul 11 - 02:07 AM (#3195516) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MGM·Lion Butt out, Bonzo: what a stupid place to record one of your me-me-me posts, as if anyone cared what you think about cricket & tennis. If they bore you, just go & play with ... whatever you like. This may be the place to recall one of David Frost's gags during a previous tour about 40 years ago ~ "And here is the latest Test score. Indians, 326 all out. Cowboys, 56 for 1." Oh, BTW: Well Done England ~Michael~ {& ain't you sorry now for such a pessimistic thread title, eh, Alan!} |
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26 Jul 11 - 03:10 AM (#3195534) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Dave Hanson Bonzos post was no more stupid than alanabit writing England off too early. Dave H |
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26 Jul 11 - 03:41 AM (#3195544) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit Over the years we have witnessed so many England batting collapses that one inevitably fears the worst. I am delighted that England won so well and I feel no embarrassment about the thread title at all. At the time England had lost wickets cheaply and the title was posed as a question. Smile and be happy everyone. I wish you all a good day! |
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26 Jul 11 - 03:46 AM (#3195545) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MGM·Lion I think it was, Dave. I think it's always stupid when anyone opens a thread which is obviously on a topic that they find uninteresting, for the sole & simple purpose of saying so. Why will people do it? In what way does that make them feel superior? What satisfaction can they possibly get from it? ~M~ |
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26 Jul 11 - 04:00 AM (#3195551) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MGM·Lion I believe the term for it is "pissing on someone's parade". What's it for? |
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26 Jul 11 - 05:19 AM (#3195586) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Arthur_itus Great performance innthe end and England fully justified the win. If they want to be No 1, they have to perform well and work hard like they did this time. Looking forward to the notts test. Hop eyou enjoy the match Mike. |
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26 Jul 11 - 05:26 AM (#3195590) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Backwoodsman I'll be there on Saturday, Hounds Road Stand. Knowing my luck with weather this year (it rained every day when I was on holiday on the Isle of Eigg) it'll be rained off! :-) |
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26 Jul 11 - 06:02 AM (#3195609) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit I shall join Les in wishing you a good time at the forthcoming match Mike. |
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26 Jul 11 - 06:54 AM (#3195652) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Bonzo3legs It's always funny when people obsessed with cricket don't like anti cricket statements. MtheGM being his usual childish self! |
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26 Jul 11 - 06:54 AM (#3195653) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: The Sandman where are the other 3 tests?nottingham, old trafford? oval?it has an effect on who might win the series, anyone know anything about the rest of the indian squad, who else do they have who didnt play in the last test. odd on an indian series win are 8 to one, i still fancy a drawn series, but would like more info before i have a small wager.i would of course be delighted to see england win but odds of 1 to 3 on do not appeal. |
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26 Jul 11 - 06:56 AM (#3195656) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Backwoodsman I don't bet - ever. You never see a poor bookie. |
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26 Jul 11 - 07:12 AM (#3195664) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: The Sandman 1. M S Dhoni (Captain) 2. Gautam Gambhir (Vice Captain) 3. Virender Sehwag batting average 53, 39 test wickets at 42. 4. Rahul Dravid 5. Sachin Tendulkar 6. VVS Laxman 7. Suresh Raina 8. Harbhajan Singh 9. Zaheer Khan 10. S Sreesanth 79 wickets at 35. 11. Praveen Kumar 12. Ishant Sharma 13. Munaf Patel 35 test wickets at 38 .50 14. Amit Mishra batting average 16.50, 32 wickets at 38 50, leg break bowler 15. Yuvraj Singh batting average of 35 in tests 16. Wriddiman Saha batting average 18, reserve wicketkeeper 17. Abhinav Mukund batting average 24 .50, a fairly strong squad ,sehwag might play in the next test instead of harbijhan, which would strengthen both batting and bowling. |
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26 Jul 11 - 07:16 AM (#3195669) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MGM·Lion As it happens, Bonzo, I detest cricket & am in no way 'obsessed' by it [tho I love tennis]. I hadn't even followed the match on tv or in the paper, tho was glad to learn of the final result. But you were, and are, just being a parade-pissing, awkward-for-the-sake-of-it baby. So butt out again: this thread is not aimed at you. I leave it to others to judge which of us is the 'childish' one. ~M~ |
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26 Jul 11 - 10:05 AM (#3195784) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 hi Arthur I am sure I will enjoy the game what-ever the result. I have seen a test match live between England and India for may years now. Gavascar was in his prime then !!!! I have never seen a test match at Trent Bridge but I have watched Notts v Lancashire several times. If England play like they did in the last few days they will be difficult to beat. But they have to get wins to oust India from top spot and that's not going to be easy. Fingers ( and everything else crossed). Regards Mike |
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26 Jul 11 - 10:08 AM (#3195785) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 hi BWM I don't know where we we be. My son has the tickets. It rains EVERY day on the Isle of Eigg doesn't it????? lol Regards MikeL2 |
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26 Jul 11 - 10:10 AM (#3195786) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 Hi Alan Many thanks.....but it is gloves of for the football season !!! lol I think we have to watch City this year, despite all the Tevez guff. Thanks Mike |
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26 Jul 11 - 10:13 AM (#3195789) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 hi that last message should have sais " have not seen a test match at Trent Bridge........." |
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26 Jul 11 - 10:24 AM (#3195797) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Backwoodsman "It rains EVERY day on the Isle of Eigg doesn't it????? lol" Well Mike, strangely, it didn't last year when I was there in July - I have some great shots of me and Mrs. Fenswoman at the trig-point on the summit of an-Sgurr, with Rum, Muck and the western half of Eigg in the heat-hazed background. Also a fantastic shot of Rum in the sunset taken from Laig. The locals all said that we should go back between mid-may and early June this year, because that's when they get great weather. Hmmmmmm!! Still had a fantastic week though, courtesy of Clanranald Cottage (and, of course, our Gore-Tex gear!). :-) :-) If you're at Trent Bridge on Saturday, I'll be the baldy bearded guy in the Tilley Hat! LOL! |
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26 Jul 11 - 10:30 AM (#3195803) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Arthur_itus Well as Backwoodsman says, he is jinxed with the weather, so you may still not get to see a test match at Trent Bridge. :-) Friday and Saturday look pretty good at the moment. http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/346?&search=nottingham&itemsPerPage=10®ion=uk |
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26 Jul 11 - 10:39 AM (#3195809) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Bonzo3legs Curiously enough my wife is having surgery at the Wellington Hosptal on Thursday which is very near Lords cricket ground. I think her room will be on the 6th floor so if I see any cricket going on I'll take some photos - won't need a very fast shutter speed - unlike polo of course!!! |
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26 Jul 11 - 10:55 AM (#3195815) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon Polo is boring as are accountants, conservatives, first class flights and anything to do with Argentina... |
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26 Jul 11 - 11:12 AM (#3195822) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Bonzo3legs "Polo is boring as are accountants, conservatives, first class flights and anything to do with Argentina" Envy will get you nowhere, you poor socialist things!! |
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26 Jul 11 - 11:27 AM (#3195828) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Backwoodsman I'm an accountant and I'm not boring. I have an Argentinian colleague and she's definitely not boring. I've never flown 1st Class so I've no idea whether it's boring. Conservatives are boring, and also selfish, grasping twats. |
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26 Jul 11 - 11:29 AM (#3195830) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon (I was only picking on Bonzo's usual topics...) |
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26 Jul 11 - 11:36 AM (#3195837) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Bonzo3legs I have never flown first class either, where do they get their information??? |
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26 Jul 11 - 11:47 AM (#3195846) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 hi Well I have flown first class......and I'm not boring. ( My wife's sister works in the travel industry and she used to be able to get us good ( free) flights. It's all changed now of course - you have to be an MP to get free first-class flights !! cheers Mike |
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26 Jul 11 - 11:54 AM (#3195856) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 hi BMW I was only joking about the weather in Scotland. I lived in the Highlands for six years and we had good weather and also bad weather. In fact we are going up to Edinburgh in about a month and we are hoping to catch some fine weather. I bet the shots you took are fantastic. The scenery up there is something to savour. Took some great shots at Llandudno last week of umbrellas being blown inside out and being whisked away... Cheers Mike |
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26 Jul 11 - 11:55 AM (#3195857) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Problem with Bonzo/Stephen is he clearly has troubling issues.. Now the dilemma is - do we caring generous good natured 'socialist' types respond with our normal kindest loyal friendship and sympathy & understanding despite his obnoxious offensive posturing and unpleasant gratuitous insults ? or do we give in to the baser guilty pleasures of baiting the poor old duffer and retaliating with collective superior intelligence wit and sarcasm.... hmmmmm.... difficult... ??????????????? oh yeah.. cricket.. really boring... hated being forced to play it at school !!!! |
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26 Jul 11 - 01:22 PM (#3195929) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: The Sandman Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Backwoodsman - PM Date: 26 Jul 11 - 06:56 AM I don't bet - ever. You never see a poor bookie. Celtic Bookmakers, the independent chain owned by broadcaster and former Fine Gael minister Ivan Yates and his wife Deirdre, has gone into receivership. Established in Wexford in 1987, the bookmaking group employs 237 people. A statement from the directors confirmed AIB had appointed Neil Hughes of Hughes Blake accountants as receiver. The 47 betting shops are immediately being put up for sale as a going concern, either as individual units or as one lot. The directors said that while there would be "inevitable significant job losses", they would try and retain as many of the 237 jobs as possible. Mr Yates said he was "hopeful" of saving 100 jobs but there was no guarantee of that. Revenue at Celtic Bookmakers fell by an "unsustainable" 50 per cent since mid-2007, having previously achieved an annual income of €180 million and an operating profit of €4 million, the directors said in their statement. and all because I had a five pound bet with them |
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26 Jul 11 - 02:27 PM (#3195988) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Bonzo3legs "oh yeah.. cricket.. really boring... hated being forced to play it at school !!!!" I'm glad we agree on one thing! |
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26 Jul 11 - 02:33 PM (#3195994) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 hi It is not surprising that people find cricket boring, but each to his own. Shock horror....Some people find folk music boring !!!!!! Cheers Mikel2 |
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26 Jul 11 - 03:21 PM (#3196032) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Arthur_itus I find Cricket great. But then I have played it, umpired it and understand what it is all about. Watching Warwickshire v Hampshire on Sky at the moment. Interesting game. Warwickshire being my team coming from Brum. People who don't like cricket are normally people who were poor at it or weren't intelligent enough to understand it or do not enjoy that particular sport. However that is their choice. I support that. Just stick to what you like and we will stick to what we like. Whats the point of having somebody watching cricket who doesn't like it. However, there is no point knocking the people who do like it. Just watched Michael Parkinson on his view of cricket and he is a fanatic. Glad I agree with him. We all have our own likes and dislikes. It would be a sad world if we didn't. |
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27 Jul 11 - 08:00 AM (#3196484) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Bonzo3legs I watched a boy's teeth stop a cricket ball at school, which rather put me off the game. I remember him pouring with blood kneeling down trying to find the broken teeth on the grass until he was grabbed by the teacher and rushed off to Barnet Hospital. I see there is a Middlesex v Derbyshire match tomorrow at Lords so maybe I can watch from afar. |
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27 Jul 11 - 08:04 AM (#3196485) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Backwoodsman The idea is to catch the ball in your hands, not try to eat it. Serves him right for being (a) clumsy and unco-ordinated, or (b) greedy. |
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27 Jul 11 - 08:14 AM (#3196489) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Arthur_itus LOL BWM. I remember our wicketkeeper taking one in the mouth and our captain went up to him and said "You are supposed to stop it with your hands". The poor bloke was pouring with blood. |
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27 Jul 11 - 09:19 AM (#3196520) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Bonzo3legs "The idea is to catch the ball in your hands, not try to eat it. Serves him right for being (a) clumsy and unco-ordinated, or (b) greedy." Couldn't agree more, never liked the boy anyway! |
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27 Jul 11 - 09:42 AM (#3196537) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Backwoodsman It's a Man's Game (even when played by women). Knocks and bruises (and the occasional break) are part of it. Moaning about those kinds of injurie is very much akin to a boxer complaining that the other guy keeps trying to hit him. I repeat, it's a Man's Game - wimps, wusses and pinkos should stick to crochet-work, cross-stitch or tennis. |
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27 Jul 11 - 09:44 AM (#3196538) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Backwoodsman Injurie?? WTF?? Injuries!! |
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27 Jul 11 - 10:13 AM (#3196555) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 HI Injuries are a part of any physical game and can only be expected from time to time. I played cricket and rugby ( both codes) and I am pleased to say that I mainly escaped serious injuries. Worst injury I had at cricket was when I was hit in the solar plexus by a "beamer" that I lost in the sun. As I used to open the innings it was a new ball and besides completely winding me I bore the bruise which was almost like a painting of a cricket ball in purple and yellow on which you could clearly see the stitching of the ball. Got more injuries at rugby - almost constant bruises - goes with the territory. A couple of shoulder injuries and a broken hand and an achilles heel problem that was a bugger to get over. I guess even polo players get injured??? Horses too no doubt ?? Arthur is right, you have to understand something to enjoy it. I still love watching cricket - I often stop to watch the schools matches when I am passing. Sort of gets you, I suppose. I like most sports and on TV I watch most with interest. I never played tennis but I do enjoy it on TV. I played squash but I don't think it comes over on TV that well so I can put up with it but wouldn't put myself out to watch it. So Arthur you were an umpire eh?? At what stage did you lose your sight ???? lol Cheers MikeL2 |
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27 Jul 11 - 10:17 AM (#3196561) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon I got hit in the head once. I think I'd have been about 11 at the time. I was fielding when my father was practising batting at Llanrwst. Unusually for him, he did get hold of this one. I remember him shouting "LEAVE IT" - not sure whether he put me off or whether I just missed it but it hit me... |
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27 Jul 11 - 02:11 PM (#3196709) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Rapparee The "traditional England batting collapse" explains why they've never played in the World Series. |
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27 Jul 11 - 03:22 PM (#3196756) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Bonzo3legs "I guess even polo players get injured??? Horses too no doubt ??" I only ever saw one polo pony on the ground. The vet's car was there within seconds and the pony got up of it's own accord galloped to the horse area. Luke Tomlinson, the England captain had a few broken bones around 2008. |
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28 Jul 11 - 04:11 AM (#3197108) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Bonzo3legs Lords cricket ground is a few hundred yards to the left of my wife's room at the Wellington Hospital although the cricket field itself is partly obscured. Now that the sun is shining I should get some good photos. I dread to think what they charge for internet here - still, it's perfectly tax deductable! |
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28 Jul 11 - 05:44 AM (#3197154) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit I think it is time we Brits initiated a "World Series" in Pooh Sticks. Only we know the rules. Only we play it and every year we can guarantee a "World Champion" form our shores (and there is no danger of a batting collapse). |
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28 Jul 11 - 06:19 AM (#3197163) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Bonzo3legs There are girls practising bowling in the nets at Lords at the moment! |
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28 Jul 11 - 10:50 AM (#3197282) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Bonzo3legs Now that my wife is back from the operating theatre, with tubes and leads attached, the afternoon activities have begun over at Lords and I can occasionally hear the sound of bat and ball. Why do bowlers do a little dance before they let go of the ball? |
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28 Jul 11 - 11:39 AM (#3197302) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 Hi Bonzo <" Why do bowlers do a little dance before they let go of the ball? "> Easy.....It depends upon if they are winning or losing. If they are winning they are doing a "pray that it doesn't rain dance". If they are losing it is a real rain dance. You see if you took more interest in cricket you would know these things....lol I hope that whatever it was that your wife had surgery for heals well and that she recovers completely. Regards MikeL2 |
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28 Jul 11 - 01:12 PM (#3197366) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Bonzo3legs Thank you for your kind wishes, she is now sitting in a chair but still connected to all manner of drip and electronic gagetry. I'm sure you are right about taking more interest in cricket. Perhaps I'll go to a county game or two on my day off from next month! |
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28 Jul 11 - 08:45 PM (#3197613) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Tug the Cox Well, in the interval between the tests thi sily little spat between Bonzo and the people he has succesfully wound up ( you silly buggers) has provided some entertainment. 2nd test at Trent Bridge today. Wicket suits England far more than Lords, where a Draw was expected. DONT put money on a drawn series. |
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29 Jul 11 - 07:48 AM (#3197829) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Bonzo3legs "Wicket suits England far more than Lords" What is that jargon all about? |
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29 Jul 11 - 08:08 AM (#3197843) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: A Wandering Minstrel It means that Trent Bridge wicket is more inclined to seam and swing which will favour the England bowlers who are more used to those conditions. As Mike suggest above you should watch and understand cricket before you criticize the game and it's followers. The girls you saw practising bowling are in all likelihood our World Champions, England Ladies team. Yes, our women are good at this game too! Still can't figure out why Cook is having such a lot of trouble batting against Sharma. This is a man who was smashing regular 50's barely weeks ago. |
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29 Jul 11 - 09:00 AM (#3197861) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Backwoodsman Bonzo knows all this. He's not as daft as he likes us all to think he is! :-) |
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29 Jul 11 - 09:37 AM (#3197878) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit Oh dear! This looks more like England: 85 for five in the thirty-seventh over. Any prospects of a slight improvement, or at least four days of torrential downpours? |
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29 Jul 11 - 09:44 AM (#3197882) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Backwoodsman Hey, back off with the rain-dance! I've paid £120 for tickets for tomorrow. I work my butt off all week, whadya wanna go wrecking my weekend for! :-) |
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29 Jul 11 - 09:46 AM (#3197884) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon 88 for 6 now. |
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29 Jul 11 - 10:06 AM (#3197892) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Uncle Rumpo "I work my butt off all week" butt !!!??? this isn't Baseball, this is Cricket !!! We only have "Arses" in cricket. |
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29 Jul 11 - 10:37 AM (#3197909) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Arthur_itus 124 for 8 Bell gone. I was crossing my fingers that Strauss would win the toss and put India in. Hey backwoodsman it might be over before you get there tomorrow :-) |
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29 Jul 11 - 11:09 AM (#3197922) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Bonzo3legs I've ordered curry from the caterer for dinner tonight! |
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29 Jul 11 - 11:29 AM (#3197934) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Arthur_itus 50 run partnership between Broad and Swann. 178 for 8. |
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29 Jul 11 - 11:53 AM (#3197944) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit Quite a knock for the ninth wicket. England are now 196 for 8. A couple of hours ago 150 all out would have seemed more likely. |
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29 Jul 11 - 11:56 AM (#3197948) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit Should have kept my trap shut! Swann has just gone with England three short of two hundred. It looks like England will get some bowling in before close of play tonight. |
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29 Jul 11 - 11:58 AM (#3197950) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: The Sandman no comment |
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29 Jul 11 - 12:10 PM (#3197958) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Arthur_itus Well batted Stuart Broad. 53 N.O. 208 for 9 Wicket looks as though it is doing something. So am hoping they get some bowling tonight. |
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29 Jul 11 - 12:31 PM (#3197969) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Arthur_itus Whoo hoo. India first ball India 0 runs 1 wicket James Anderson. |
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29 Jul 11 - 12:38 PM (#3197973) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Uncle Rumpo Now this reminds me why I don't do TWITTER !!! |
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29 Jul 11 - 01:47 PM (#3198009) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit So the Indian batsmen are staying calm although they are only scoring a run and a half per over. It sounds like a bowler's pitch. I wonder what will happen tomorrow. I guess it could have been worse! |
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29 Jul 11 - 02:36 PM (#3198031) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: The Sandman only scoring a run and a half an over, for feck sake, Trevor Bailey once took[over 4 hours] 257 minutes to score 71 runs, and on another occasion, Bailey[over 4 hours 20 minutes again] scored 38 in 262 minutes, and you criticise the indians, still its ok cos Bailey was English. |
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29 Jul 11 - 02:57 PM (#3198043) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit Do you like being cross GSS? I do not know - or pretend to know much about cricket. I suppose it must have something to do with the state of the pitch that both sides have performed better with the ball than with the bat today. As you evidently know more about the game than I do, I would have been interested in your explanation. If I understood the statistics correctly, England managed about three runs per over. |
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29 Jul 11 - 03:07 PM (#3198045) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Arthur_itus Alan It is a bowlers wicket, but at the same time India were just batting out the end of the day, hoping not to lose any more wickets. I don't know why GSS is going on. I can't see anything in your comments that was being critical of the Indians. Les |
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29 Jul 11 - 03:08 PM (#3198047) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon I don't think India would have been looking to score quickly for the last fifteen overs of today anyway, alanabit. Especially with 1 wicket down first ball. We will have to see what tomorrow brings. |
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29 Jul 11 - 03:15 PM (#3198058) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: The Sandman of course the indians would not be bothered about scoring quickly neither would geoffrey boycott, this is not tip and run, this is a five day test match , i am not cross merely exasperated by your not understanding test match creeket, its like chess, its tactics. any fool knows you dont go around slogging when you are batting in the last hour of the day and the ball is swinging about.you should see me bat i am even slower than bailey, i believe in boring the bowlers to exasperation. |
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29 Jul 11 - 03:28 PM (#3198068) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Arthur_itus What are you like GSS :-) |
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30 Jul 11 - 10:44 AM (#3198483) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit India have moved on to 215 for four at tea. It looks like England are in for a caning unless they take some wickets fast! |
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30 Jul 11 - 12:23 PM (#3198527) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon And a few wickets have fallen. 288 for 9 now - 67 ahead. |
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30 Jul 11 - 12:26 PM (#3198529) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon In fact 288 all out now. I wonder what England will do this time round. England or India to win, or a draw? |
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30 Jul 11 - 12:29 PM (#3198531) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit Either way that is a brilliant comeback by England. I take it now that the priority for England is to keep some wickets up until the close of play tomorrow? |
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30 Jul 11 - 12:31 PM (#3198533) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon That would be my guess alan. |
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31 Jul 11 - 02:19 AM (#3198918) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Arthur_itus Good luck to England today. Just hoping they can make a decent total today. |
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31 Jul 11 - 04:17 AM (#3198941) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit Indeed. Let's hope they can set tradition aside for the day! |
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31 Jul 11 - 04:35 AM (#3198946) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Newport Boy Well done, alanabit - 100 not out! |
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31 Jul 11 - 04:44 AM (#3198951) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Linda Kelly Bring back Brian Johnson....you guys haven't mentioned cake once! |
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31 Jul 11 - 08:26 AM (#3199028) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Arthur_itus They assumed you were providing it Linda, as you live so near to the ground. Good morning session. Hope they continue in the same vain this afternoon. |
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31 Jul 11 - 12:16 PM (#3199138) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon England 339 for 5. I think they will be quite pleased with the day so far. 272 ahead as it stands. |
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31 Jul 11 - 01:44 PM (#3199194) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit England 441 for six at stumps. That sounds like a pretty good day's work. I take it that they shall want to keep those remaining four wickets up for a while tomorrow, as they do not want to give India two days to score the runs? |
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31 Jul 11 - 01:44 PM (#3199195) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon Excellent day for England = 441 for 6 (374 lead) at close. I think they'll win this one. |
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31 Jul 11 - 02:04 PM (#3199206) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon Well there doesn't seem to be any reason to hurry. I think they'll just sort of take things as they come tomorrow morning. |
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31 Jul 11 - 03:16 PM (#3199257) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Bonzo3legs But that's not cricket!!! |
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31 Jul 11 - 05:22 PM (#3199308) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Arthur_itus Blimey, I forgot only 3 days had gone. Test matches normally start on a Thursday, so I was thinking that we had one day left. They should just go out there and slowly build up the score. Got to watch the weather though. Thunderstorms on their way I think. Great day for England. Unfortunately missed most of it as we have visitors from the Netherlands. Will miss all of tomorrow. Damn. |
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31 Jul 11 - 07:31 PM (#3199350) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon But that's not cricket!!! Of course it is. Captain for all I know could be thinking, see how the first hr goes, no hurry yet but I may want to declare at some point, perhaps even get some quick runs... |
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01 Aug 11 - 08:14 AM (#3199601) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: A Wandering Minstrel And as it was they stuck on another 100. Lovely little partnership with Bresnan and Broad. Psychology is just as important as tactics and no doubt Strauss was hoping for the the effect of a Bresnan century or a Broad 50 or a target of 500 to demoralise the Indians further. Though not as far as getting Dravid for 6 will :) |
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01 Aug 11 - 08:50 AM (#3199620) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit Yes, the task looks challenging for India at the moment. |
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01 Aug 11 - 09:22 AM (#3199644) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit India now are on 31 for three. It looks like they have it all to do. |
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01 Aug 11 - 09:31 AM (#3199648) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 Hi Alan Very challenging indeed...to do it India will have to beat the previous record for a fourth innings win in Test Cricket. I have just got back from spending the previous three days at the match courtesy of my No 1 son. I have seen many test matches over the years ( though not recently) and I can say that for excitement and absorbing interest this is as good as any I have seen before. It has everything. First one team gets on top and then another the match swaying hour by hour. Some fine performances by the likes of Broad ( both with bat & ball), Dravid, Bell, Anderson and latterly Prior, Morgan and Bresnan. Of course now England have to finish it off and they have started well with India being 13 for 2 as I type. I am surprised that nobody on the thread has mentioned "the Bell Incident". In many years both playing and watching cricket I have never seen quite such a strange situation. At the game in the position where I was one couldn't clearly see what happened when the fielder mis-fielded on the boundary. So to us, and the rest of the spectators at the game we, had to believe what we could see and that was that Bell thought the ball had gone for four and was therefore dead, and as it was the last ball before tea he assumed that it was the end of the over and walked down the pitch ( and so out of his ground) to go to the pavillion for tea. The ball was thrown in and the wicket broken and the captain appealed for a run-out. Neither umpire seemed to know what had happened so they asked for a TV decision from the third umpire. This was judged that the batsman was out. The crowd erupted with booing and hissing. Bell and Strauss liked completely bewildered. But the decision was upheld as out. Something must have transpired in the dressing rooms and as the players resumed after tea Bell walked out to bat. We were told that Dhoni, the India captain had retracted his appeal and Bell was allowed to continue. The crowd then cheered the sportsmanship of the India captain. Like most others at the game I took this to be the case and agreed that the action of Dhoni was a sporting one. However when I got home I viewed the TV recording my son had done and I now believe that the third umpire was wrong. The ball IMHO clearly hit the fielder's leg as he tried to claw the ball back and it hit his leg and rebounded on to the boundary marker......not once but twice. The fielder looked downcast and didn't make much of an attempt to return the ball quickly, leading me to believe that he knew the ball was a boundary. In this case Bell was NOT OUT the ball being dead and therefore he could not be run out. I don't know if this is what Dhoni saw and retracted his appeal....but in the end justice was done. Cheers Mike PS Now it is 35 for 3.....but Tendulkar is still there |
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01 Aug 11 - 09:35 AM (#3199651) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 hummm pps now 37 for 4....India will need a miracle or a lot of rain |
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01 Aug 11 - 09:39 AM (#3199654) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon Strauss and Flower approached the Indian captain and coach and India agreed to withdraw their appeal. There does seem to be general agreement that India's appeal was valid and that Bell was OUT. Apparently the reversal was for the spirit of the game of cricket and for the sake of the series. --- 39 for 4 as I type. |
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01 Aug 11 - 10:07 AM (#3199678) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 hi Jon I realise that some representations were made but something other than just " the spirit of the game" made the change of heart. Ironically India is the only Country in World Cricket who refuse to use the photographic evidence in their games. In this test series an agreement was made that photographic evidence would not be used for LBW decisions but for other decisions when required. There is a long history of bad feelings with India and cricket nations , including England - .. Cheers Mike |
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01 Aug 11 - 10:10 AM (#3199682) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon Well Here's the bbc article. |
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01 Aug 11 - 10:23 AM (#3199692) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon 55 for 5. Will they last today out? |
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01 Aug 11 - 10:27 AM (#3199699) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 hi jon Thanks for the article.....politic.....!!!???? 55 for 6......looks like it's all over....BUT.....as I said earlier this game has swayed first one way and then another....is there a sting in the tail??? It's raining here in Cheshire !!! Cheers Mike |
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01 Aug 11 - 10:32 AM (#3199704) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon Thanks for the article.....politic.....!!!???? I suppose it could be Mike but even if that is the case, I don't see anything to be gained by disputing the official version. 55 for 6......looks like it's all over....BUT.....as I said earlier this game has swayed first one way and then another....is there a sting in the tail??? I suppose with Tendulkar still in one could say anything is possible but I think it's all over. It's raining here in Cheshire !!! Hot and sunny in North Norfolk. |
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01 Aug 11 - 11:29 AM (#3199740) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon I suppose with Tendulkar still in one could say anything is possible... And he's gone now. 107 for 7. |
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01 Aug 11 - 11:45 AM (#3199756) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 hi jon I was was not disputing the decision , I just described what I saw. The important thing is that cricket was not damaged and that the game continues in a good spirit. Another one to Bresnan as I type.....eight down two to go.....looks as though it will be all over tonight. Cheers Mike |
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01 Aug 11 - 11:57 AM (#3199764) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon Agreed, Mike. --- I'm a bit surprised the way India have gone btw. I'd have thought Dravid, Laxman and Tendulkar should provide a very strong base. |
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01 Aug 11 - 12:29 PM (#3199789) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Arthur_itus 2 - 0 to England. 5 for Bresnan and I missed the lot today, except for the last wicket. Well done England. The incident IMHO had no bearing on the result. |
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01 Aug 11 - 12:32 PM (#3199793) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon The incident IMHO had no bearing on the result. Agreed. England were much the better side. Simple as that, I think. |
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01 Aug 11 - 02:36 PM (#3199897) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 hi arthur Sorry you missed most of the end of the game. I agree with you that the incident had little impact on the outcome. In a way I felt similar to you in that I had been at the game and had to come home from what I thought would be a hard-fought finish. It turned out a one horse race - which I am of course delighted with but I would have been really miffed if it had turned out to be a classic finish and I could only watch on TV. As I said above I don't think the incident affected the result but I think Dhoni's decision saved the series. If it hadn't been for that I am sure there would have been huge recriminations and bad feelings created. One good thing though - can you imagine had it been the other way round and had happened in India with Tendulkar having been given out in those circumstances ???? Common sense prevailed and I look forward to the next game. I think that there were two key turning points in this game which turned the game in England's direction. 1. Broad's hat-trick spell 2. The Bell/Pietersen partnership Great stuff - best game I have enjoyed for a long time. Mind you I was at the recent Warrington v Wigan Rugby League game and that took some beating for excitement and first class rugby league - ooops - apologies for changing the topic Alan ... Cheers Mike |
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01 Aug 11 - 02:46 PM (#3199903) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit No problem Mike. "On with the dance! Let joy be unconfined!" For most of my life England has been the one country whose status as a Test nation has come into question the most frequently. It really takes some getting used to having an England side, which wins matches! It is all the more remarkable for the fact that England is the country with the climate least suitable for test cricket. I know next to nothing about cricket, but it is obvious that our current crop of cricketers has played exceptionally well over the past few years. |
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01 Aug 11 - 03:56 PM (#3199950) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 hi alan Yes you are right that our climate is not always conducive to producing great cricketers. Despite this though having been interested both as a player and a spectator for many years, I can remember other eras of success for England. These were mainly gauged by our performances against Australia - always our greatest rivals. But more recently the emergence of first West Indies and then the twin spearhead of India & Pakistan and even more recently Sri Lanka, has somewhat changed the face of International Cricket. Followers of New Zealand & South Africa please don't think I have ignored you, as we have always had very interesting series with you. The emergence of India as World Number 1 is IMHO due to the temporary ( I hope ) failure by Australia to find a winning team. The strange thing to me is that England are now poised to wrest the No 1 spot from India ( providing they keep up the performance level for the rest of this series.) but in terms of World class individuals we don't really have many that would make it in a real World representative team !! Our current team is sure that - a team - Every man plays his part and it seems that they have the spirit and ability to up their game at crucial times and weather all kinds of storms. In this match Cook has failed again but others have filled in more than adequately. Tremlett was injured and up comes Bresnan with a match-winning contribution. Strauss as captain comes in for a lot of press criticism. Only today I heard Geoff Boycott criticise Strauss's field placing when England had India at 140 odd for 8 and the match nearly won. He said that he should have more attacking fields for his bowlers !!! But Boycott is not one really to criticise England's captains; he was probably England's worst ever captain and Yorkshire's too for that matter. A great batsman no doubt but a captain ....no!! Cheers Mike |
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01 Aug 11 - 04:19 PM (#3199973) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon Our current team is sure that - a team - Every man plays his part and it seems that they have the spirit and ability to up their game at crucial times and weather all kinds of storms. Personally, I suspect Andy Flower deserves some thanks. |
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02 Aug 11 - 10:30 AM (#3200113) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 hi Jon I agree Andy Flower has much to do with the improvement of the Test Team. He certainly seems to have brought more discipline and team spirit to the side and he appears to be a good man manager. He played quite a bit up here in the North West in club cricket. I saw him play for Heywood some years ago. Cheers Mike |
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02 Aug 11 - 12:08 PM (#3200198) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: A Wandering Minstrel Mike, I'm relieved to hear that you thought the ball hit Kumars knee then the rope. That was exactly the opinion I had formed from the replays. When Dhoni told TMS at the end of play that "It didn't feel right" I think he thought that too, possibly from cross-examining Kumars "stop". Not that it really made the slightest difference in the end. |
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02 Aug 11 - 01:44 PM (#3200270) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon I've just downloaded the best clip I could find on Youtube and tried stepping it through one frame at a time. From that, I think the fielder deflects the ball with his hand saving the four runs but I'd like a better resolution than I have to feel certain about it. What should happen if it unclear whether a four is scored? |
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02 Aug 11 - 02:38 PM (#3200298) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 hi Wandering Minstrel Thanks for confirming what I am sure that I saw. The whole thing was a huge error on the part of the third umpire who had all the TV shots from all angles and slo-mos etc. Had he called it as it appears to us this incident would not have happened. However as in all games the referees' decision is final and that is that. Great game though. regards Mike |
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02 Aug 11 - 03:54 PM (#3200359) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon Oh well, I take a look at a different shot and I see it differently. There is hand contact but the fielder directs the ball onto his knee |
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02 Aug 11 - 03:54 PM (#3200360) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon The hard part is whether the ball touches the rope about here Personally, watching it in motion before and after this point, I do suspect there is a deflection from the rope but I'm still not 100% sure... |
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02 Aug 11 - 05:09 PM (#3200407) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: The Sandman but he may not have seen it, the deflection |
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03 Aug 11 - 10:32 AM (#3200916) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 Hi Jon <" The hard part is whether the ball touches the rope about here "> As a still picture it still doesn't prove that the ball touched the boundary marker. Having re-watched the movie I am still convinced that it did. If the boundary marker had been a rope ( as always used to be the case) the ball would have rolled over it and the answer would have been obvious. Still; you can much advetising matter on a piece of rope !!!!! Interesting though.... Now we have to win the next one... Cheers Mike |
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03 Aug 11 - 11:03 AM (#3200935) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon As a still picture it still doesn't prove that the ball touched the boundary marker. Yes, you need a few frames either side. I've viewed it a few more times btw and I feel more convinced that you can see it take a deflection which must be the ball bouncing off the "rope". Now we have to win the next one... And the next one - is it all 4 to go #1? |
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03 Aug 11 - 12:13 PM (#3200994) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 hi Jon I am not sure but as I understand it we have to win the series by two clear matches. So another win would clinch it if I am right, but I think two draws now would do it. Cheers Mike |
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12 Aug 11 - 10:40 AM (#3206625) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 hi guys It doesn't look like an England collapse is evident in this innings !! Admittedly India are poor in this game but even so the wicket today is helping the bowlers. Unfortunately the Indian bowlers are not able to take any advantage. Other than a miracle or two days rain ( and this is not forecast) it looks like England will become the World No 1 Test Cricket Team. Again in this match England has looked superior in all departments with Brosnan and Broad with the ball and all the England batsmen performing well especially Cook who is heading for his 300. Cheers Mike |
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12 Aug 11 - 10:43 AM (#3206626) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 Yipes as I typed the other message we lost 3 wickets in no time at all. But I guess quick runs are now the order of the day. Mike |
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12 Aug 11 - 12:27 PM (#3206671) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon Apparently bad light has stopped play. Wonder if that will end Cooks chance of 300. |
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12 Aug 11 - 12:35 PM (#3206673) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon And they are back out now... |
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12 Aug 11 - 01:00 PM (#3206680) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon 710 for 7 Declared. Cook out for 294 - shame. |
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12 Aug 11 - 01:06 PM (#3206684) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon Didn't think India would be out again with the light possibly a bit iffy but they are and it's 3 for 1 ! |
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12 Aug 11 - 05:58 PM (#3206868) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T 500 lead and plenty of time left. I don't think the Indians can save this now. Not even if we lent them Cook. Don T. |
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12 Aug 11 - 06:02 PM (#3206875) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon I think they would need the weather to help them. |
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13 Aug 11 - 02:29 AM (#3207053) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit I suppose three wickets lost in half an hour was a mini batting collapse of sorts. Perhaps England just want to keep their hands in! Being serious, it is hard to quibble with a day's play like that. In the first two tests, England got into positions from which they could reasonably have been expected to lose. Indeed, for most of my lifetime they would have. This England side is evidently very different. They battled and ultimately hammered the opposition in those games. This time they seem to have marked out their territory from the start. They are inflicting an uncommon amount of indignity on the world's (supposedly) best side. My ignorance of cricket is admitedly immense, but I grew up hearing about how England were casually walloped by Australia, the West Indies and virtually anyone else from a warmer climate. Having to get used to a winning England cricket team at the age of 56 takes a bit of adjustment! Is it really true? Can it last? |
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13 Aug 11 - 05:41 AM (#3207106) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon I'm not sure Alan. England certainly are playing as a team, getting the best from each player and as you have commented, not letting their heads drop when things are not going their way. These have to be positives. On the other hand, I'm not so sure about our opposition (although with a line up of Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman - I'd say India on paper have a pretty good top batting lineup) and to what extent we are really playing good sides. Maybe I'm just giving good old English negativity here but I'd have difficulty considering us in the same league as the West Indies or Australia when they were so dominant. But time will tell and I believe there is hope. |
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13 Aug 11 - 06:23 AM (#3207122) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 hi Alan & Jon, yes England have played well in the past two or three series. Their success is welcome but does have to be tempered by the quality of the opposition to some extent. Australia has been the top nation for many years ( with the occasional times when England have managed to win the Ashes ). Recently however they have been in decline and India, always a difficult team to beat in their own country have taken over the top spot from Oz. Now it appears barring a miracle England will be top. It is not England's fault that the opposition is not of the highest quality. They can only beat what is put out against them. On paper India still has a high quality team that for a number of reasons has not played well on this visit. I believe in sport that you can only play as well as the opposition allows you to and in fairness England has come out on top through patient, intelligent and doggedness against a technically more talented side - especially in batting. We have not really seen any fight from the India team. The appear to be unable to deal with the pressure when England start to get on top. No doubt there will be many enquiries in the media, but the answer is that in the past few series England have beaten the best sides available at the time. For this they deserve the accolade of being recognised as the No 1 Team in the World. Like Alan I have lived through a truly chequer-board career of England performance , especially since the 1940's. Let's wallow in their success - it might be only temporary. Cheers Mike ps Spare a thought for poor Sewag who was brought in to bolster the India early batting line-up. He lasted just one ball in each innings !! Yes a "King Pair". Very rare and one has to sympathise with him. |
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13 Aug 11 - 06:48 AM (#3207135) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon It was Clive Lloyd captained WI when I started taking an interest in test cricket, (I'm 50 btw, Alan). |
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13 Aug 11 - 08:21 AM (#3207171) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Arthur_itus England certainly do have an excelent team, but I think it has to be tempered by the fact they are playing in conditions that suit English bowlers. I would just love to see England playing India on their home turf. I think that would be a much better measure of how good England really are. In fact I think it would be very exciting. |
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13 Aug 11 - 10:25 AM (#3207240) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon And that's it. 244 all out. |
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13 Aug 11 - 10:25 AM (#3207241) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Bonzo3legs Please explain "conditions that suit English bowlers" Dining on Dhoni Gosht and papadums this eveing??? |
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13 Aug 11 - 10:26 AM (#3207242) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Bonzo3legs eveing?????? evening of course!!! |
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13 Aug 11 - 10:38 AM (#3207248) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon Here's and article for you, boko |
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13 Aug 11 - 10:56 AM (#3207256) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Arthur_itus Thanks Jon |
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13 Aug 11 - 10:59 AM (#3207257) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: MikeL2 hi Jon Interesting article. In addition to the different pitches the weather adds to the pitch effect. Over here for instance humid cloudy weather tends to help the ball swing. ( another recent thread deals with this.). I found it interesting yesterday to watch the Indian spin bowlers in action. They certainly turned the ball sharply and on another day eg when Cook wasn't at the crease they could have done well. Today when Swann bowled he got very little turn and he went for 88 runs in 13 overs for two wickets. Well done England - might have a few tonight to celebrate. Cheers MikeL2 |
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13 Aug 11 - 11:37 AM (#3207280) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Bonzo3legs Thank you for the article, I think I'll stick (pun!) to polo!! |
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13 Aug 11 - 12:14 PM (#3207301) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: Arthur_itus LOL |
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14 Aug 11 - 11:40 AM (#3207878) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: SPB-Cooperator I hope that England can keep up the standard when proper test matches resume after the five year gap. |
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21 Aug 11 - 09:29 AM (#3210322) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: GUEST,Jon Anyway, Endland 591-6, India first innings 253-7. Dravid (130) seems to be doing OK but he's running out of partners. What's the betting, England win or a draw? (I'll go for an England win) |
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21 Aug 11 - 10:52 AM (#3210351) Subject: RE: BS: A traditional England batting collapse? From: alanabit India were all out for 300 in their first innings and have just made a flying start to their second: Nine runs in their first over and Sehwag is still at the crease... Dravid has had no rest after his splendid 146 not out. Who will tire first - the England bowlers or Dravid? It could make the difference between a draw and an England win. I think England need to take wickets before the Indians have posted their first hundred. Let's see! |
