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01 Aug 11 - 05:49 AM (#3199542) Subject: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Vic Smith A big thanks to Nancy Wallace, Sam Carter & Rosie Stewart for joining Tina and I in a lovely concert that we were performing in and compering at the Woodlands Hotel last night. Thanks also to Dan Quinn for joining us to play some tunes to warm the room up as people were coming in - it was just like being back at the Royal Oak in Lewes. Today we look forward to the Folk Clubs Forum at the Arts Centre at 4.30 and then another concert at the Woodlands tonight. Come and join us if you are in Sidmouth. Now we are off to the Volunteer for their lovely traditional singaround. Tune interludes by The Old Swan Band. Whoopee! |
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01 Aug 11 - 08:23 AM (#3199607) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: SteveMansfield Live streaming of Sidmouth - bring it on! Hope other people join in and make this a Sidmouth equivalent of the minute-by-minute coverage of the Test match ... |
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01 Aug 11 - 01:53 PM (#3199853) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Ruth Archer James Fagan & Nancy Kerr just came to Artist Reception specially to sing for Carl and Claire, two of our Reception Team who got married today - in their Sidmouth t-shirts! |
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01 Aug 11 - 02:14 PM (#3199878) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Cllr brilliant concert with a finish from the melrose quartet - saw them at the globe at Topsham and they are wonderful as well, unfortunately it clashes with my shanty night so im not going to tell anyone Shhhh dont say they are on at the methodist church at 8.00 Mike Gibson |
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02 Aug 11 - 11:19 AM (#3200168) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Bonzo3legs What about Home Service? |
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03 Aug 11 - 04:34 AM (#3200756) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Vic Smith Mudcat seemed to be down in the few minutes that I was at my laptop yesterday.... but so much has been brilliant. Top time of all so far was Ethno In Transit at the Woodlands last night. An amazing high energy multi-cultural set. It was a priviledge for Tina and I to be compering this wonderful event that also had really great spots from Lester Simpson, Lady Maisery and Haddo |
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04 Aug 11 - 06:27 AM (#3201522) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST Some of my many "Champagne Moments" so far:- * Simon Ritchie step dancing on a rickety table top to the melodeon of Dan Quinn at the Arts Centre. * The wonderful staging of Down The Lawson Track by Martyn Wyndham-Read, Shirley Collins and co. at the Manor Pavilion. * The first time that I have seen Lady Maisery - in concert at the Woodlands - a powerful young group with a great future. * The wonderful music of The Doyle Family. Father Simon on uillean pipes (Birthday yesterday when I saw him) and his three young daughters playing button box, banjo and fiddle - tight family music. * Martin Carthy singing Mike Waterson's Bright Phoebus in a packed bar room at the Volunteer - What support he got in the choruses! * The passionate and emotional renditions of Scottish ballads and his own beautifully structured songs by Alasdair Roberts at the Bedford. * The Old Swan Band playing the band spot in the luchtime singaround at the Volunteer - mighty fiddles v. brass stuff! * Whereever I have heard them - in concert or in informal session - the wonderful voices of three great Irish singers, Roisin White, Rosie Stewart & Jerry O'Reilly. * Three top step dancers dancing together in their different styles - Lakeland, Sean Nos and East Anglian to Simon Doyles pipes. * Thomas McCarthy - unassuming and underplaying his performances - but what a singer! What a find! * The playing of Rod Stradling's band Phoenix in the bar at the Volunteer. They had a guitarist sitting in withn them - someone called Martin Carthy. * Jez Lowe & The Bad Pennies in concert. Many, many more but I can't jjust sit here writing about them - I've got to go out and experience some more. However, the very top totally-blown-away-moment as provided by the ten musicians from seven countries and three continents of Ethno in Transit particularly at the end of their spot when they were all plting at full pelt for the dancing of Hannah James. |
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04 Aug 11 - 06:31 AM (#3201525) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Vic Smith The enthusiastic guest was clearly Vic Smith |
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04 Aug 11 - 01:20 PM (#3201722) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Vic Smith Some of my many "Champagne Moments" from a wonderful Sidmouth so far:- * Simon Ritchie step-dancing on a fairly rickety table top to Dan Quinn's melodeon playing at the Arts Centre. * The spot by Lady Maisery at the Woodlands. First time that I have seen thm and it was powerful stuff. * The Old Swan Band providing the band spot at the Volunteer singaround. Mighty fiddles meets brass stuff * The Sean Nos dancing of Brian Cunningham at the Arts Centre - really exhilerating. * The singing of three great Irish singers who I seem to have heard many times this week in concert and in informal session - Rosie Stewart, Roisin White & Jerry O'Reilly Good on all three of you. * The fabulous music of The Doyle Family. Father Simon playing the uillean pipes with three young daughters on button box, banjo and fiddle. Superb tight family playing. * Martin Carthy singing Mike Waterson's Bright Phoebus with much support from a packed bar room at the Volunteer * Three top step dancers in different British traditions, Lakeland, Sean Nos and East Anglian dancing together to the pipes of Simon Doyle. |
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04 Aug 11 - 01:21 PM (#3201725) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Vic Smith Whoops! Switched on my laptop and it told me that I hadn't posted this. |
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04 Aug 11 - 08:30 PM (#3202073) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Cllr Haddo were fantastic (will and nicky pound) They are the sort of act that make me want to run a folk club again just so i could book them. Haddo took over from lester simpson ( who was dragged off to do the transports) and did the support for Brendan Power and Tom Eday in the methodist church an amazing evening (which i have to say i greatly enjoyed MCing) Mike Gibson |
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05 Aug 11 - 03:48 PM (#3202189) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Alan Day I enjoyed my day there on Thursday. Al |
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05 Aug 11 - 05:55 PM (#3202293) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: VirginiaTam Only 2 real issues for me. . . Folk Week is not long enough and it is too long before the next Folk Week. |
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06 Aug 11 - 01:39 AM (#3202484) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Abdul The Bul Bul Was it Tim Edey with Brendan Cllr? Al |
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06 Aug 11 - 05:45 AM (#3202556) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Cllr yes Al it was a typo thanks for pointing it out |
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06 Aug 11 - 05:46 AM (#3202557) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Cllr sorry Ab I mean, Last night was a great finish to the festival, the sky is now blue Im thinking of hitting the beach later... |
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06 Aug 11 - 06:58 AM (#3202569) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,SteveT I'd rather have put these comments on a feedback form but they seemed to be in short supply last night and I can't find anywhere on the web-site to download a form or give feedback. (I'm sure they can't have overlooked this but I'm not very technologically minded so if anyone can put up a link I'd be grateful.) Highlights – The daily Ballad sessions at the Woodlands. Lovely venue, well run (my wife commented on her visit how supportive and friendly everyone was) and with some of the best singers around. Add to that a knowledgeable MC and clientele and the opportunity to hear these wonderful songs that usually get squeezed out of folk clubs and singarounds and you have the perfect way to spend two hours each day. The Irish Roots concert. Amazing dancing from Brian Cunnigham and great singing from everyone. I knew I'd be hearing the best from the established singers and musicians but the Doyle family of young musicians were excellent and Nell Ni Chroinin is outstanding. I especially enjoyed the second half with them all sharing the stage, taking turns to perform. I also thought the sound was superb. In general I hate amplification with its volume and distortion and, in particular, I hate singers who glue their lips to the microphone. At this concert the microphones were well away from the performers and the sound and set up made you feel as if they were all sitting in your own kitchen with you. If I've got any minor criticisms of the week or other events I'll keep them to myself in a public forum – overall it was great; (just sorry I made it to the Middle Bar so seldom this year). Still, well done to all involved. |
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06 Aug 11 - 01:22 PM (#3202744) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,moira(flyingcat) I thought the festival was great this year as usual. A few comments though (I also couldnt find a feedback form) I found it a bit off when one of the performers apologised in advance if the voice wasn't up to scratch after having been up till four O'clock that morning singing and carousing with friends (not the exact words but that was what was meant). Don't think this is a very professional comment to make in front of an audience who have paid to see you. My only other complaint was the Manor Pavilion stewarding. Both concerts I attended there were spoiled by people being allowed in at the back and expecting people to stand up to allow them to get to vacant seats all while performers were actually singing. Might I suggest that the the back door is stewarded or at least a sign put on the door asking people not to enter till they hear the applause. This has worked well in the past. Lots of good stuff going tho, the sound in the pavillion was brilliant as were all the other events i usually attend were brillant too. Roll on next year and I wouldn't have Joanie's job for anything! |
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06 Aug 11 - 05:33 PM (#3202906) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,Gill Loomes (Greenclogs) Had a FAB time! Jon and I are celebrating the anniversary of our engagement tomorrow - we got engaged on the way home from Sidmouth '10 at Strensham Services where he proposed with an onion ring (!) having tried all week to find the 'right' time! Wonder how many couples have Sidmouth memories like that! Many, I would think! |
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06 Aug 11 - 05:47 PM (#3202920) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Leadfingers The couple who's house I stayed at celebrated their first anniversary on Friday , having got married last year and had the reception in The Newt after our lunchtime session ! |
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06 Aug 11 - 05:52 PM (#3202922) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,s-j in london had a great time, only fit in one session though, hope to do more if I make it there next year! Hope so! |
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06 Aug 11 - 06:05 PM (#3202928) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Rumncoke Got back home unloaded the van and went to bed, I am still shattered. Taking a bike to the festival was a good idea. Using it to get from one venue to another when one thing finished and the next started at the same time meant that I was only slightly late. The first week in August must be the shortest of the year, it just flies by. Roll on next year's festival. Anne Croucher |
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07 Aug 11 - 08:32 AM (#3203210) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: JennyO Yes, I agree about the length of the festival - way too short. Time just flew by. Like some others, Sidmouth in 2010 was special for us too. After a long wait, I had just got my visa to live in the UK, and managed to get a flight from Oz very quickly, in time for Rob to pick me up and get to Sidmouth by the Monday, only missing the first 2 days. When we saw the fireworks at the end, we agreed it was very nice of them to put on a fireworks display especially to celebrate our finally being together permanently ;) This year was great - even better in lots of ways! I think we got the right tickets. We used our season tickets a lot for workshops etc and were really glad that we also had tickets for the Spooky Mens Chorale and The Transports, both of which were excellent. I still can't get over the queues though. You don't see that at Oz festivals - it's just first in, best dressed there. We had a lot of fun with the Spookies, who of course I am familiar with already, as they are from the Blue Mountains, not far from where I lived in Sydney, and I knew some of the original members of the group. There was the Spooky Lunchtime Thing where we ended marching through the town singing "Let me through - ou - ou, let me through - ou - ou...", and on the last day I happened across them at the end of one of their secret gigs, and found out they were doing another one at midnight. So after a rousing session in the Middle Bar, mixed in with popping out to catch the parade and the fireworks, then back in to the Middle Bar again to sing things like Rolling Home and Music Man, which is quite mad (freda underhill couldn't believe her ears ;)) we then went round to the little church in Chapel Street for a delightful late Spooky concert to finish up the festival. Other highlights included a lunchtime concert in the Ham with Steve Knightly, Philip Henry and Hannah Martin and Luke Jackson (17 year old prodigy), some lovely relaxing meals in the restaurant above the Secret Garden, which seems to be one of Sidmouth's best kept secrets, the dancing displays in the street, Middle Bar sessions and singing in the sea on Thursday (we actually went in!), other sessions in the Radway and the Sailing Club, Doom, the Gloom and Despondency event on Thursday, and my purchase of a beautiful rich-toned viola. That was only some of the highlights. They were too numerous to mention. Can't wait till next year! |
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07 Aug 11 - 10:55 AM (#3203265) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,ifor I'd like to mention the absolutely wonderful singing and playing of Fernhill at the Methodist Church on the Friday night. The songs in Welsh and English were so beautiful and Julie Murphy surely has one of the most expressive voices in the land.I'd also like to mention Christine Cooper on fiddle...an exquisite musician and her voiceover on the song/poem 'Glyn Tawe' was quite haunting!The album ,Canu Rhydd, is a delight! I was also in the Ham for The Transports on Thursday night.....it was brilliant and the standing ovation was well deserved!Damien Barber's song at the beginning of the second set was impressive! I also enjoyed the performance of Jez Lowe and The Bad Pennies at the theatre. Great stuff! A wonderful week and congratulations to all involved in its organisation! ifor |
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07 Aug 11 - 12:58 PM (#3203325) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,Derek Schofield The feedback questionnaires will go up on the website today or tomorrow. We're a bit knackered here .... Moira flying cat - I agree about the unprofessional approach. Could you email me to tell me who it was please? press@sidmouth etc.... |
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07 Aug 11 - 01:40 PM (#3203364) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,Kate C Oh please - it's a festival! Spontaneous out-of-hours events and late-night sessions are what add to the atmosphere and uniqueness of a festival and of individual performances. Let's not get into this kind of thing. Especially when you consider what some of the most renowned performers have been apparently notorious for! Please lighten up folks, Kate x |
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07 Aug 11 - 06:27 PM (#3203553) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Steve in Sidmouth A bit knackered? Not half as wrecked as some of the social and ceilidh dancers. We had so much space to dance in this year we took full advantage of it. Must rush - so much to write, so little time...... |
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08 Aug 11 - 02:39 AM (#3203694) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,Kate E Quite right Kate C. They'll be sending people home because they're drunk next. |
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08 Aug 11 - 04:23 AM (#3203720) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST MoiraFC you don't say whether the actual performance that followed was below par or whether it was just the advance comment that hinted it might be and offended you. Did you not like the performance? Was the performer's voice noticeably worse than normal? Was this towards the start of their time at Sidmouth or after they'd already played several gigs? (On more than one occasion MCs apologised that performers could not stay too long as they had to go on to other gigs scheduled almost at the same time.) Are you sure the performer was not trying to make light of a heavy week and busy schedule? All the performers I saw gave incredible value for money and worked really hard, including the many informal appearances at singarounds and sessions (some late at night) - which is what makes Sidmouth a proper festival rather than just a collection of concerts. It would be much less of a success if performers just turned up, appeared on stage to recreate a "CD-performance" and then went home. Personally I rather like the festival atmosphere both on and off stage. Grumbling over (it's my age) |
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08 Aug 11 - 04:28 AM (#3203723) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Tattie Bogle "What about Home Service" ? says Bonzo3legs. ABSOLUTELY TOP-CLASS! They got 2 reports in the Sidmouth Herald, including "Home Service blows audience away", which were exactly my words too. (Maybe a double meaning there as some folk left early - maybe had other things to do or too loud for them!) But a standing ovation at the end. Bought the CD and played it in the car on the long trail home yesterday: even my other half, who complained when i switched off his beloved Classic FM, seemed to enjoy it! Don't miss them at other festivals if you missed it there! For me, that was best concert of the week, although there were some others I wanted to go to and couldn't get into. Haven't yet done the maths to see if it was worth buying the week season ticket, but with workshops and other concerts taken into account, it was probably break-even. John Kirkpatrick's Big Band workshop was, as usual, inspirational, sheer enjoyment, and very much worth getting out of bed for 9.30.! |
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08 Aug 11 - 04:39 AM (#3203729) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Steve in Sidmouth Granted a festival is a festival but it is also one that claims to be a premier event and sells tickets at over £20 each - punters have a right to expect a professional performance even if it is a less expensive event in the Manor Pav. If it was a sing-song in the local pub or at a small village festival and with tickets at £3 that would be different. Equally, dancers paying £8 or £10 could reasonably expect the festival management to have some concern for their well-being and open side flaps in the Blackmore Gardens when the marquee began to become severely overheated. I had to almost shout at the people in charge this year, but it worked. If the marquee had been more than half full (which it rarely was) and if the weather had been warmer it would have become as insufferable as in past years. |
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08 Aug 11 - 05:32 AM (#3203746) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Vic Smith ETHNO IN TRANSIT!!!!The best new band that I have seen in many a year. |
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08 Aug 11 - 08:50 AM (#3203812) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Folknacious ETHNO IN TRANSIT!!!! I preferred the old band when they were in a VW camper van. The acoustics were better. |
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08 Aug 11 - 12:51 PM (#3203963) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: JHW Were there less people? Alpha were concerned that trade was down on the campsite buses. If they didn't run that would be the end of the festival for me. Though I arrive by car I never attempt to find parking down town. Really enjoyed the Woodlands theme sessions. Sorry I missed some. Long may Colin think up new themes. Grateful thanks also to Shrewsbury Taff for running the York and Faulk nights seamlessly in Rosie's absence. |
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08 Aug 11 - 01:51 PM (#3204003) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST Lyrics - Sidmouth Folk Festival Blues Well I woke up this morning, that's the way I start my day I popped some 'Hermecetis', had a fix of 'Special K' Packed my Larry Adler mouth harp, bio rhythms riding high I was goin' to Sidmouth folk fest, where old teachers go to die I tried to sing my songs, but they wouldn't let me sing the blues I ain't a man to let those sleeping dogs grow under my feet A man raised on the blues is a man who can't be beat There were guys with ribbons & bells, dancing round and round Going round in circles has always got me down I'd nothing more to lose cos they wouldn't let me sing the blues Went to a shanty workshop, now sea-songs ain't my scene There was heavy duty drinkin' and the floor began to lean I heard 'heel ya hos' and 'haul aways' and 'doodle let me goes' And Scotsmen harmonising, now that gets up my nose They just kept on and on, but they wouldn't let me sing the blues So come all you 12 bar bluesers, if you want to sing your song Don't take your band to Sidmouth cos you won't be staying long You'11 hear l-o-n-g songs by people just alive And duelling concertinas trying to murder Chieftains five Play anything you choose, but never try to sing the blues |
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08 Aug 11 - 01:57 PM (#3204009) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Johnny J Oops, the last post was mine. I wasn't logged in... |
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08 Aug 11 - 02:47 PM (#3204031) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Vic Smith Nearly 200 photos of the festival available by clicking here |
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08 Aug 11 - 05:00 PM (#3204127) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Ruth Archer Feedback forms now on the website: http://www.sidmouthfolkweek.co.uk/ General feedback and workshop questionnaires both downloadable. |
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08 Aug 11 - 07:21 PM (#3204228) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Don(Wyziwyg)T One brief aside for the Newt (from the host), and ditto for the Radway. And apparently none of you bothered to look at the Bedford, whose landlord, Colin Pyne, has been a stalwart supporter of Sidmouth Folk Week for more years than I care to remember, the Royal York & Falconer, or the Swan. Without those sessions, Sidmouth would have died when Steve Heap quit, and they don't warrant a decent mention. I wasn't able to afford to go this year because my pension wouldn't allow, and my health precluded stewarding, and if the preceeding posts represent the attendance, I may have got the best of the bargain. I am frankly disgusted Don T. |
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08 Aug 11 - 07:28 PM (#3204232) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,Derek Schofield Just because the Bedford, Royal York and Swan are not mentioned here doesn't mean no-one went in there! All 3 were very busy as far as my observations are concerned. The Royal York were chasing the Middle Bar in total collections. And I understand there were more people on the campsite. the buses were run by Hookways, not Alpha. Mind you, Hookways went bust on the last day of the festival - buses continued running thanks to the official receiver - so the festival may be looking for another operator next year. Derek |
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08 Aug 11 - 07:36 PM (#3204236) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,suegorgeous There's a big difference between a performer bantering their voice isn't up to scratch, and their voice actually not being up to scratch. Nothing wrong at all with the first in my opinion, and Moira doesn't make clear which it was. Sue |
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08 Aug 11 - 07:58 PM (#3204255) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Tug the Cox ah buses, please go back to Stagecoach. When they and their predecessors had the contract thay used to run late night buses back to Exeter, Exmouth and Honiton. Now, the last bus back to Exmouth is at 19.10! |
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08 Aug 11 - 08:03 PM (#3204260) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Tattie Bogle Don, I spent a lot of time in the Middle Bar at the Anchor, somewhat less in the Bedford (only because I had an 11pm curfew to get back out to Sidbury every night). No need to be disgusted as they were largely jam-packed, and we do all appreciate hugely what the Pyne family do for Sidmouth Folkweek. What some of did find about the the main bar in the Bedford was that at times some of the listening etiquette had totally flown out the windows, and that does need to be addressed and some degree of respect for other session members doing their wee turn brought back: singers were often in the minority and struggled to be heard as the chat (not just from those congregated at the bar), rose to insuperable levels. So some did vote with their feet and go to other places where people would actually listen (whether to a tune or a song). |
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09 Aug 11 - 04:22 AM (#3204431) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Acorn4 We actually had a great session in the Bedford late Friday afternoon. Both audience and performers were listening to the turns. A rather nice touch was that the "old time" session in the other bar had dwindled to just a couple and they came through and made just one session in the main bar. |
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09 Aug 11 - 04:25 AM (#3204433) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Richard Bridge I would be worried by the somewhat censorious "I've paid for this so entertain me" mentality that some seem to show. |
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09 Aug 11 - 05:59 AM (#3204460) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: JHW The Campsite buses to Thorn, Oakdown, Kingsdown Tail Etc. Are run by ALPHA Though upping the price slightly for fuel costs their takings were down. If they didn't run I wouldn't consider going back to the festival site. |
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09 Aug 11 - 06:23 AM (#3204473) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: The Barden of England I had probably the best Sidmouth bar none. No hangovers, some stonking sessions both in The Bedford (singing and playing) and The Swan (also singing and playing), went to my usual couple of concerts that I fancied, renewed old friendships and finally used the festival campsite for the first time. I will certainly be doing that next year too. My personal thanks go to Colin & Bev Pyne, who work till they drop during the folk week, and I know how hard they work the rest of the year for the festival. The organisers really have taken up the mantle in my mind and are moving this wonderful festival in the right direction so a big thanks to you and the volunteer stewards too. John Barden |
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09 Aug 11 - 06:25 AM (#3204475) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Richard Bridge No hangover? John, are you well? |
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09 Aug 11 - 06:26 AM (#3204476) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,moira(flyingcat Well, i seem to have raised a few hackles by my comments but i will stand by what i said. The reason being that if someone is expecting to earn living as a professional musician they they need to respect the audience who has paid to listen to them. Richard, If people like me didn't pay to see these performers they wouldn't be able to earn a living at all. Why do they do it if not to entertain and why should i be happy to accept less than their best because they'd been up carousing the previous night. Would you accept it from any other type of performer eg an actor or are folkies supposed not to bother? It also doesn't matter if the person performance was up to scratch or not, it was the attitude that was unprofession not necessarily the actual performance. I have absolutely no problem with performers letting of steam etc off stage but informing your audience that it may cause a problem I think is unacceptable. I didn't approve of comments like that in the past and still don't. |
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09 Aug 11 - 06:36 AM (#3204483) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: PercyBysshe I had a grand time at Sidmouth. I was stewarding in the Bedford every day so got to see some great stuff there - familiar and unfamiliar (one of the joys of stewarding). I loved the fact the Spooky Men were everywhere, so that even though I couldn't make the Monday night gig in the Ham (I was on duty) I didn't feel I'd missed out. The silent ceilidh/disco was my first, and it was a hoot, although after one dance in the ceilidh, I've realised I'm very unfit and need to do it more often. I enjoyed so many other acts I'm not even going to bother to list them. It's interesting that because it's such a huge festival, when you read other people's reports they could have been at a completely different one! I'd just like to say a huge thank you to everyone involved in making it such a good week. I'm now exhausted and recovering from drinking more cider in a week than I normally drink in a year (which isn't very much by the way!) |
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09 Aug 11 - 07:19 AM (#3204499) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Howard Jones Moira, I understand your point of view, but I think you're missing the point of a festival like Sidmouth. What makes a festival more than just a series of concerts is that the performers are not only to be found on-stage but actively participating in many other aspects of the festival besides the events they're actually booked for. You don't seem to have had a problem with the actual performance, so if the performer hadn't mentioned it you'd have been none the wiser. It's also unclear what the tone of the comment was - was it a genuine apology in advance, or a light-hearted comment intended to produce a nod of recognition from the audience, many of whom would also have been carousing until the small hours? Had this taken place at a one-off concert, or if the performance itself were below par, then I'd have been inclined to agree with you. However a festival is a different animal, where both performers and audience are participating in the festival on a more equal footing. In that context I don't agree that the making of the comment in itself is unprofessional. |
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09 Aug 11 - 07:19 AM (#3204500) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: The Barden of England Richard - haven't been too well the last couple of days (usual summer cold and cough) but I was determined to not have a hangover this year, so I didn't. The Cava on the patio flowed as usual, but my intake was much lower than usual, Q.E.D. John Barden |
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09 Aug 11 - 08:05 AM (#3204509) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: naughtyforty I had a fab festival as usual - highlights were the Run Ashore on Tuesday, Spooky Men on Wednesday. I also went to a session at the Rugby Club which I really enjoyed and visited the cricket club - two thngs I haven't done before - roll on next year!! |
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09 Aug 11 - 10:24 AM (#3204584) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Sven Baserat Sally and I really enjoyed Sidmouth this year and that late afternoon session at the Bedford was a lovely way to finish the week. I've got some good photos of the session I can send you if you pm me Dave. Steve & Sally |
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09 Aug 11 - 02:18 PM (#3204744) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: VirginiaTam As a steward of the Manor Pavilion I would like to respond to Moira flyingcat's concern. I am sorry for your disappointment. However empty seats equals unnecessarily disappointed paying customers and possibly lost revenue for the festival. It would make it less disruptive for everyone if the audience members moved along to close up spaces leaving empty seats at the ends of rows to facilitate this. At particularly popular shows last year stewards have asked the audience to move along. Perhaps at team meeting in future years we can address this so all stewards know they can and should ask the audience to close up spaces prior to the show in order to avoid this disruption. |
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09 Aug 11 - 05:25 PM (#3204881) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,moira(flyingcat) Thanks for your comments Viginia Tam but I think you have actually missed my point which was the fact that people were allowed in while performers were singing rather than waiting till the applause at the end of a song/tune. If a sign was available to say "please do not enter till you hear applause" people could then come in and get to available empty seats before the performer started their next song/tune,thus keeping any disruption to a minimum. I hope this clarifys my comment. |
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09 Aug 11 - 05:36 PM (#3204883) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,Derek Schofield Moira (flying cat): you've not yet emailed me to tell me the name of the artist who boasted of their over-indulgence. If you email me in confidence, we will know for the future. My email address is on the media page of the website. Thanks Derek |
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09 Aug 11 - 08:45 PM (#3205005) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: the lemonade lady I had a lovely visit on the last day. Popped in at The Middle Bar session, The Bedford, a snoop around The Blackmore Gardens, and ate a pastie and some ice cream. You didn't miss me at all. Sal 80) |
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09 Aug 11 - 09:53 PM (#3205043) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Leadfingers I did Sal !! No Fresh Lemonade at a sensible price in Blackmore Gardens !!! |
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10 Aug 11 - 04:44 AM (#3205161) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: VirginiaTam Noted Moira and I will pass along in the team meeting next year, provided I am put on Manor Pavilion duty. Re the performer with questionable professionalism. I believe I was at that show and the performer in my estimation did not boast nor make excuse. Simply stated voice was rough due to party (for a friend) attended the night before. I did not know performers were not permitted to have a social life prior to performance. Still delivered a good show and the light hearted banter was in no way off putting to me. |
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10 Aug 11 - 06:01 AM (#3205185) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,Morris Barry Enough moaning, back to the highlights! There was an excellent afternoon in the Anchor gardens with a concert from Lady Maisery followed by the Young 'uns. The Melrose Quartet gig in the Methodist Church as wonderful although very, very hot. The Spookey men were their normal entertaining selves. Great festival. Still recovering from the price of beer though!!! Barry |
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10 Aug 11 - 05:24 PM (#3205623) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,suegorgeous I agree with VT. I find it a bit concerning that this performer may be penalised for a throwaway bit of banter that had no bearing on his/her performance. How will you deal with this, Derek? |
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10 Aug 11 - 05:47 PM (#3205634) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Ruth Archer Hi there. Derek won't deal with it himself - he'll pass the information on, and depending on who the artist is and what I can find out about was actually said, I might have a chat with them. Or I might not. I would agree with everything that's been said on both sides, funnily enough. Sidmouth is great because the artists socialise, participate in sessions, and are part of things in a way that they aren't at many other festivals. On the other hand, audiences have the right to expect that an artist isn't enjoying themselves so much that it interferes with their ability to deliver the performance for which they are being paid and the audience is paying. I've been in the audience at another festival where artists excused a below-par performance by telling us they'd been out on the razzle the night before, and found it rather disrespectful and unprofessional. As with so many things, it's about balance. :) |
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10 Aug 11 - 06:12 PM (#3205650) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,suegorgeous "...audiences have the right to expect that an artist isn't enjoying themselves so much that it interferes with their ability to deliver the performance for which they are being paid and the audience is paying. I've been in the audience at another festival where artists excused a below-par performance by telling us they'd been out on the razzle the night before, and found it rather disrespectful and unprofessional." Ruth - I couldn't agree more. But Moira hasn't said there was a below-par performance, or that their ability to deliver was impaired. I'm glad you'll check it out. But I hope you won't penalise a performer purely for a harmless bit of banter. I don't agree such banter in itself is unprofessional. |
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10 Aug 11 - 06:12 PM (#3205651) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens , From: Leadfingers Whoever the artist was , and wether he/she did a good show or not a comment about carousing til the early hours does not strike me as a very professional intro to a concert set ! |
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11 Aug 11 - 03:25 AM (#3205826) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,Ebor_Fiddler Were we there as presentation critics or to enjoy ourselves? This part of the discussion reminds me very much of the time when we were at a Waterson-Carthy do and one strait-laced woman complained about us singing the chorus (while being encouraged by Norma to join in) because it spoiled the "concert". We unconverted '60's leftovers ignored her and sang on. All this whining on about "professionalism" as far as I can see undermines the whole ethos of the "folk" movement, putting in a totally unwanted "them and us" division between those of us who happen to be "onstage" and those of us sat down at any particular time. Rant over! Chris. |
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11 Aug 11 - 03:44 AM (#3205830) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Richard Bridge Like |
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11 Aug 11 - 03:53 AM (#3205831) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Alan Day I missed you Sal Al XX |
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11 Aug 11 - 04:57 AM (#3205855) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Steve Hunt Ebor Fiddler wrote: "All this whining on about "professionalism" as far as I can see undermines the whole ethos of the "folk" movement, putting in a totally unwanted "them and us" division between those of us who happen to be "onstage" and those of us sat down at any particular time." I think that the your point about the principles of the folk movement is worth raising. However, at an event like Sidmouth, no-one just "happens" to be on stage - the fact is that some festival participants are contracted to perform for money, and some pay money for a ticket. That simple economic fact does, inevitably, create a different set of expectations. As Ruth Archer has already said, it's all about getting the balance right. |
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11 Aug 11 - 05:00 AM (#3205857) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Steve Hunt My own highlights included: Peggy Seeger, Maggie Holland, Nancy Wallace, Alasdair Roberts, Tommy McCarthy, Brian Cunningham, Yiddish Twist Orchestra, Nancy Kerr & James Fagan, Damien O'Kane Band, Old Swan Band, Pound & Walsh, Freya, Abbot, Ferguson, Shropshire Bedlams, The Transports and LOADS of other stuff |
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11 Aug 11 - 05:48 AM (#3205874) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Leadfingers Any 'Artist' performing for Money to people who are paying for that performance has a duty to be professional in his approach to that performance ! |
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11 Aug 11 - 06:54 AM (#3205913) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Howard Jones I think we should be careful not to judge this matter without knowing more about it. The tone of the comment is crucial, depending on whether it was a boast, an excuse/apology in advance, or simply a bit of banter with an audience who had probably also stayed up late. Whether or not the performance actually was below par is also relevant. Moira has been invited to provide more details to the Sidmouth committee, and they should be left to deal with it as they see fit. |
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11 Aug 11 - 11:43 AM (#3206070) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,George Smith Re professionalism; I can remember at one of the Loughborough festivals in the 70's a concert given by Alex Campbell, whiskey bottle in hand, but what a brilliant performance and no complaints |
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11 Aug 11 - 11:49 AM (#3206077) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Richard Bridge Wasn't it Ozzie Osborne who said "In what other job can you reel up, out of your head, whisky bottle in hand, and have people say "Wow, he's going to be great tonight""? We've probably all seen Joplin, Jansch, Renbourn, Graham and Sly Stone (if he could find the stadium) and Keef do it, and indeed what about Winehouse about whom most others here were raving the other week? |
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11 Aug 11 - 01:04 PM (#3206128) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,Kate C Don't do it Moira FC! A festival organiser asking the audience to snitch on a performer is not only unethical and censorial, it is, itself, unprofessional. No-one else here has complained about the performer - despite many knowing who it is - and why not? Because it was harmless. And because LOADS of performers were doing it. And because, as Richard Bridge rightly says, loads of performers have always done it. And most any folk performer will tell you that they've been inspired by late night sessions (and the kind of artists whose spirit drives such sessions). It's a sad indication of the conservatism of the scene that this is even being discussed, never mind pursued. Shame on you Sidmouth. |
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11 Aug 11 - 03:05 PM (#3206202) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST I'd like to complain about the lack of unprofessionalism. How can we possibly hope to interest the young people of today in folk music, when a festival appears akin to a Prefects' Annual Convention? |
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12 Aug 11 - 07:41 AM (#3206553) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,Sidmouthlocal_GUEST I had a great week and my highlight was definately Karine Polwart's Tuesday evening concert. Just brilliant but where were you all? |
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12 Aug 11 - 04:33 PM (#3206815) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: vectis I missed my lemonade stop too. |
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13 Aug 11 - 12:04 PM (#3207296) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: freda underhill I had a fantastic time at my second Sidmouth (the first ten years earlier). For a start, I wouldn't have got there without Leadfingers, who very kindly picked me up from the airport, gave me a room for the night and took me the next day. Sessions everywhere, great performers, lovely catters, the hilarious Doom and misery (or whatever its called) competition with some very straight faced judges, The Young Uns, the Transports, the Spookies, Nancy Wallace, Jacquie Oates, + more.. Meeting up with Catters I met at Towersey in 2004, and meeting some new ones. Spending time with Quantock and Jennyo, and hearing some of Quantock's Somerset songs that he's singing. John Kirkpatrick, Martin Winding-Road, James and Nancy.. I'll definitely be back.. |
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13 Aug 11 - 04:21 PM (#3207432) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: McGrath of Harlow Missed getting to Sidmouth this year - but delighted to find a card in my letterbox this week from a bunch of people from the Irish Songs Concert August 20th, saying they missed me and wishing me well after my heart problems earlier this year. Thanks everyone, and I hope to be back!! ............... As for the complaint by GUEST,moira(flyingcat) gripe about a performer who seems to have been making a pretty traditional remark in this context, she must have led a pretty sheltered life in folk. There are aspects of that term "professional" which I don't think belong too well in our culture. (As for the comment by Derek, I find that a bit bewildering.) |
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13 Aug 11 - 05:26 PM (#3207483) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,Ebor_Fiddler Hear! Hear! |
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14 Aug 11 - 08:42 AM (#3207786) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Ruth Archer Can I just hopefully draw a line under this whole discussion about "professionalism" and artists being worse for wear on stage? Regardless of your perception of what "folk" means, at the end of the day this is an issue of respect. Personally, I don't think "folk" is an excuse for someone to be worse for wear on stage. Have a nice time, enjoy yourself, be a part of the festival, but if you are performing and being paid for that performance, don't have so little respect for the audience (and your fellow performers) that your performance is below par because you've had too much to drink. Don't embarrass the MC and the audience because everyone can tell you're pissed and you give a rambling, shambolic performance. If you have an early performance or a workshop the next day (that you've agreed to, have been contracted to do and are being paid for) turn up on time, well prepared and ready to work - it's the least those people who have turned up to see you deserve. If there are people who think this approach isn't "folk" enough, I'm sorry, but as a programmer I have a responsibility to the thousands of people who have paid for tickets and who have a right to expect certain minimum standards of performance. This isn't a session or a singaround, it's a paid gig at a big festival - an opportunity that many people would give their eye teeth for. I realise that this discussion has centred around remarks made by a performer who may or may not have turned in a below-par performance, and who may or may not have been serious, and whose words may or may not have been misconstrued. I would never penalise an artist I've booked based strictly on hearsay, but if someone brings such a matter to my attention it is certainly my duty to at least try and find out what happened. Investigating what happened does not mean that an artist will be penalised. It simply means I have a better awareness of what has happened at the festival - which is part of my job. |
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14 Aug 11 - 09:08 AM (#3207802) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Has Sally received an apology yet, for the appalling way she was talked about, by the Director of the folk week? It seems, from reading this that her Lemonade Lady stall was missed by folks this year. I was going to go but that email kept sticking in my head...and in the end I couldn't bring myself to trek all that way, for a folk week now seemingly run by some folks who seem to have adoptd a somewhat Corporate B*stard attitude, which should, surely, be the very antisthesis of how to run a folk festival.... Stevie Scarlett, thank you for posting about this sorry affair on your site. |
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14 Aug 11 - 09:22 AM (#3207808) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,matt milton "worse for wear" is all relative anyway. some people's "worse for wear" is a million times better than penty of other perfomers' "top of their game". Does it work the other way round? Maybe Sidmouth performers should begin their sets with the words: "I am the greatest performer there has ever been, and this is the best gig you will ever have heard". |
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14 Aug 11 - 09:31 AM (#3207814) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Ruth Archer Matt: yes, all is relative. If you have run festivals or events, you'll know that each situation is individual, and requires an individual judgement call. |
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14 Aug 11 - 02:29 PM (#3208018) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: McGrath of Harlow Entoning "hopefully draw a line under this whole discussion" doesn't really go well when matched with comments that are liable to stoke up the discussion. Every performer feels below par on particular occasions, for all kinds of reasons. It might be a hangover, it might be a touch of the lurgy or whatever. Sometimes it's their fault, sometimes it isn't. Sometimes it shows, sometimes it doesn't. To me one of the aspects of the folk scene that I value is the sense that performers are close enough to the audience to be able to be relaxed and open about that kind of thing in the way you would be with friends. "Professionalism" shouldn't be about covering up, it should be about rising above those kind of difficulties and coming through with a good performance. |
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14 Aug 11 - 03:08 PM (#3208039) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Ruth Archer "Professionalism" shouldn't be about covering up, it should be about rising above those kind of difficulties and coming through with a good performance. Agreed. |
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17 Aug 11 - 05:32 PM (#3208535) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,Ralphie My Two Pennorth. Did PA every day, either the Bedford or the Manor. All the artists were brilliant, accomodating, friendly ....Turned up for sound checks on time etc...A real joy to work with. Real professionals. (Whether they thought the same about my mixes, I couldn't possibly comment!) Thanks Sidmouth for booking me. Can I come back next year? |
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18 Aug 11 - 10:02 AM (#3208860) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Steve in Sidmouth Memo to all scientists. Do not get distracted reading mudcat whilst experimenting with a hot apple and blackberry mixture. Photographic evidence has been disallowed. All discussion will be viewed as disloyalty. Videos showcasing the UK's lead role in many other areas of science can be accessed via the Kent Science Park website |
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18 Aug 11 - 12:02 PM (#3208891) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: GUEST,dAZBO AT WORK My highlights: John Kirkpatrick's farmer's year in song Nidi d'Arac - brilliant live performance - shame so few there to see it Blackbeard's Tea Party - my find of the festival (didn't get to see EiT) Anxo (?) brilliant Gallician piper Morris on show Larkrise Band BTW if the "boasting" performer is who I think it is my impression was not excess of boozing or anything like that just having a good time meeting up with friends and singing too much and as far as I'm concerned it didn't detract one iota from the gig |
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18 Aug 11 - 02:41 PM (#3208404) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: the lemonade lady Thank you all for missing me! Has anyone noticed that the discussion about my treatment hasn't been commented on at all by the Sidmouth staff? I would say they have had strict instructions not to comment at all as they would be speaking on his behalf and it could be seen as getting involved and taking sides. No, i've had no apology. Cc Jon Braithwaite. (whoops) Sal |
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21 Aug 11 - 04:26 PM (#3210516) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Steve in Sidmouth This may be a wind-up - if so it has been done quite well - I have received information that Joan Crump is leaving Sidmouth FolkWeek as its Artistic Director. I can't find any other discussion on this topic so....... The details are on this webpage |
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21 Aug 11 - 05:04 PM (#3210531) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Richard Bridge Any fule can spoof word properties, but not many fules send out genuine press releases as word documents - an inherently insecure format. I'd have expected a pdf. |
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21 Aug 11 - 05:09 PM (#3210534) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Steve in Sidmouth I would have expected it on the official website! No sign - and it would be a major announcement surely? Doesn't add up somehow. |
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22 Aug 11 - 05:12 AM (#3210750) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Festival as it happens From: Steve in Sidmouth I obviously have a suspicious nature. I am reliably informed that the Press Release was genuine. |