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02 Aug 11 - 08:37 PM (#3200575) Subject: Tuning Down to accommodate voice From: Songwronger I searched Tune Down, Tuning Down, Full Step, Half Step and so on but didn't turn up another thread on this topic. Please attach this post to the end of one if it exists. My voice has deepened over the years, and some time ago I began tuning my guitar down to accommodate it. I'd gladly use different chordings if that would do the trick, but most of the pieces I play have fretboard work that would be lost in the change. Just wondering if anyone else has had to tune down in this way. Any tips, stories? Be nice if there was a device like a capo that worked in the opposite direction. |
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02 Aug 11 - 08:46 PM (#3200586) Subject: RE: Tuning Down to accommodate voice From: GUEST,SeanSiegfried The most important advice, in my opinion, is to start using a slightly thicker gauge of strings if you're tuning down. I initially found it hard to hit the high notes on some of the songs I was trying to learn, so figured I must have a fairly low singing voice. For quite a while now I've been using medium strings and tuning down a half step, sometimes a whole step and leaving the guitar thus. If you tune light strings down low they start to become very difficult to keep in tune, whereas with medium strings you're actually striking a nice inbetween: In which they're a little slacker and easier to play, but not too slack, as lights would be at that sort of tension. |
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02 Aug 11 - 09:13 PM (#3200608) Subject: RE: Tuning Down to accommodate voice From: Crowhugger That's exactly what my mother used to do, heavier strings, also took her guitar (a smallish late 1940s Martin) in to be set up for it. "It" was 3 semitones down from regular, so the E strings were down to C#. Worked well on that guitar, which didn't have the best high end. I don't know what they did, probably something with the nut but I didn't ask. She's long gone as is the guitar (too small for my hands) so I can't ask or look. |
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02 Aug 11 - 09:22 PM (#3200613) Subject: RE: Tuning Down to accommodate voice From: saulgoldie SW, Search the site for the word "key" going back 7 days, and you will find a couple of other threads that deal with aspects of this issue. Saul |
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02 Aug 11 - 09:44 PM (#3200624) Subject: RE: Tuning Down to accommodate voice From: Crowhugger One of the threads saulgoldie mentions is "What key" . The other is about transposing. Definitely both include a variety of interesting related info. But nothing can save you having to change what your fretting OR picking/strumming fingers do if you change to different chords to accommodate your voice. An acoustic baritone guitar might help. |
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03 Aug 11 - 09:36 PM (#3201371) Subject: RE: Tuning Down to accommodate voice From: Songwronger Yes, heavier strings definitely. I've done that. When tuning down a full step I sometimes get a little string buzz (looser strings hitting the frets), so I need to experiment some more with strings and maybe raise the bridge a bit. The problem with transposing is that things like fingerboard slides and hammer on / hammer offs would be sacrificed. So down I go. The guitar seems to like it--nice lower vibrations in its guts, not so tense. |
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03 Aug 11 - 10:48 PM (#3201395) Subject: RE: Tuning Down to accommodate voice From: Crowhugger A slightly deeper nut & saddle may lift the loosened strings away from the frets. |
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04 Aug 11 - 11:51 AM (#3201669) Subject: RE: Tuning Down to accommodate voice From: Nigel Parsons Keep the guitar tuning the same. Capo the throat! :) Cheers Nigel |
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04 Aug 11 - 11:54 AM (#3201670) Subject: RE: Tuning Down to accommodate voice From: Lox capo brings the tonality up though - the OP wants to come down ... Thicker strings is definitely the answer .. until eventually you buy a tenor guitar!! |
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04 Aug 11 - 12:05 PM (#3201677) Subject: RE: Tuning Down to accommodate voice From: Will Fly Mmm... my tenor guitar is tuned CGDA - with the A being the equivalent of the A note on the 1st string/5th fret of a conventionally tuned guitar - might be a bit high! |
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04 Aug 11 - 12:31 PM (#3201690) Subject: RE: Tuning Down to accommodate voice From: Lox ok - I've only seen them with a string 'missing' off the top and an 'extra' one on the bottom ... the only practical difference under those circumstances would be having string 2 as an F# instead of a G ... |
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04 Aug 11 - 04:39 PM (#3201881) Subject: RE: Tuning Down to accommodate voice From: GUEST,Doug Saum I suggest the simplest solution is to play the song in a key that suits your vocal range. even if it's not the key you're used to. e. g. If you're used to playing the tune in D, try C, etc. |
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04 Aug 11 - 05:02 PM (#3201897) Subject: RE: Tuning Down to accommodate voice From: Crowhugger An acoustic baritone guitar, perhaps with a capo, will mean you can still play the identical riffs and sing a tone or two down. Maybe you'll need to accustom yourself to the slightly wider fret spacing, but could be it's the same if you're capoed at 3 or 4. Been ages since I saw one and never played up the neck even a little. |
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04 Aug 11 - 06:02 PM (#3201939) Subject: RE: Tuning Down to accommodate voice From: Little Robyn Mitch has his guitar tuned down so he can play along with my smallpipes (in F), then he just puts his capo on the second fret when he wants to play along with the regular group. My pipe music is written in G but the pipes play at F and a bit! Robyn |
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04 Aug 11 - 06:26 PM (#3201966) Subject: RE: Tuning Down to accommodate voice From: Richard Bridge Strings need to be at the "right" tension to sound like guitar strings. Get a chart of string tension against gauge. If your guitar sounded nice to you with the strings you used to play in the keys you used to play, check the string tensions off the chart at that pitch. Now look up the gauge for the same string tension or a LITTLE bit more at the lower pitch. If you used to play 13s in standard tuning, you may find you want 14s to go down a semitone. A B string on a set of 13s is likely to be a 17 or thereabouts. BUT you will find that the ring of chords is somehow less clear, or muddier. I tried a long-neck guitar that tuned on standard strings to D once, and the sound was not helpful to me. I have one concert cutaway strung with 9s that I tune up three semitones. Try for 4 and the strings break! But I did need a whole new setup for the 9s in G. Gordon Newton will make you custom sets but his strings are not standard construction. Strings Direct got me a set of non-standard bass strings to play a 3/4 bass tuned as a violin (GDAE) and they sound just right - but of course it isn't about chords. |
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04 Aug 11 - 07:27 PM (#3202039) Subject: RE: Tuning Down to accommodate voice From: alex s we recorded with Nick Dow, a song in B, very nasty for Dave on the fiddle. So he tuned down a semi-tone and played in C. No prob... |
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04 Aug 11 - 07:50 PM (#3202054) Subject: RE: Tuning Down to accommodate voice From: Songwronger Good information. Thanks. Yeah I guess I could capo my throat. A necktie ought to do the job. Or I could capon myself. That might raise my voice back to where it used to be. One testicle a half-step and both for a full-step? I'll try the necktie first. |