12 Sep 11 - 05:23 AM (#3221813) Subject: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: GUEST Amazingly helpful site here and my first time posting, I'm terrible at working out chords to songs by myself at the moment and was wondering if anybody knows the chords to the version of Ned of the Hill performed by Sean Cannon? Such a great tune by an incredible singer, if anybody could help me it'd be very much appreciated! Thankyou |
12 Sep 11 - 06:07 AM (#3221826) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: Richard Bridge Assuming it's the same sequence as the Pogues I think it's mostly E minor and D, but in a couple of places the Em becomes a G. I thought there was a C in there too but just strumming it now it didn't seem necessary. I thought we'd had a thread on this once before... |
12 Sep 11 - 06:09 AM (#3221827) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: Richard Bridge Here's a way: - http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/irish-folk-music/irish%20songs/young_ned_of_the_hill.htm |
12 Sep 11 - 06:13 AM (#3221830) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: Richard Bridge http://www.martindardis.com/id288.html There is another song that is not the Pogues song - but that's different... |
12 Sep 11 - 06:18 AM (#3221831) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: GUEST,999 Richard, the version on Youtube by Sean Cannon has no minor chords. If you'd like to sing along, the lyrics are below: from the Album "Erin the Green" Ned of the HIl is said to be about a dispossessed aristocrat, listen to this version: Oh who is without That with passionate shout Keeps beating my bolted door? I am Ned of the Hill Forspent wet and chill From long trudging marsh and moor My love, fond and true What else could I do But shield you from wind and from weather? When the shots fall like hail They us both shall assail And mayhap we shall die together Through frost and through snow Tired and hunted I go In fear both from friend and from neighbour My horses run wild My acres untilled And all of them lost to my labour But it grieves me far more Than the loss of my store That there's no one would shield me from danger So my fate it must be To sail eastwards o'er sea And languish amid the stranger Guest, what key do you want it in? |
12 Sep 11 - 06:21 AM (#3221832) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: GUEST,999 Here is SC singing it on Youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Km28EQe4FE&feature=player_detailpage |
12 Sep 11 - 06:27 AM (#3221834) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: GUEST,999 BTW, Richard, there was a thread on it started by Peter T. No chords there or in the DT. |
12 Sep 11 - 06:54 AM (#3221841) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: Richard Bridge That's a completely different song - and one that I don't know at all. I don't really do Irish music. |
12 Sep 11 - 07:20 AM (#3221851) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: GUEST,999 Figured you were talking about a different song. I'd never heard either before. |
12 Sep 11 - 07:57 AM (#3221864) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: The Sandman the one i sing startsdark is the evening silent the hour, i usually sing it unasccompanied |
12 Sep 11 - 08:07 AM (#3221872) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: GUEST,Bluesman Minor cords ? just watched Sean on youtube. Richard, please tell us more about these. |
12 Sep 11 - 10:32 AM (#3221938) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: GUEST,leeneia Hello, Guest. Welcome to the Mudcat. The reason our are having a hrd time figuring out the chords to this song is because it's a song which just doesn't lend itself to that. It moves stepwise up or down the scale a lot, and chords consist (roughly) of every other note. It's a beautiful and sophisticated tune, and it was probably meant to be accompanied by a trainsed player who was following music written for it. Either that, or unaccompanied. My advice is to forget this song for a few years and play other songs which work better with chords. |
12 Sep 11 - 10:40 AM (#3221945) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: GUEST,999 The link for the version of the song Guest [OP] is looking for has chords in it. I don't doubt that Dick's version is beautiful, but it is not what the OP is looking for. FYI. |
12 Sep 11 - 12:17 PM (#3222005) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: The Sandman sean cannon plays in drop d[most of the time] |
12 Sep 11 - 12:43 PM (#3222022) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: The Sandman it can be played in standard tuning in the key of a modal it use 3chords a modal[or long a] d modal or [long d] and e modal. to my ears it did not sound appropriate with major chords. a modal requires a part bar on second and part on fifth fret, d modal is ordinary d shape, but on top string you fret 5 fret instead of 2 fret. e modal is top 2 strings open6 string open 5 string7 fret 4 string 9fret, 3 string 9 fret. there is another e modal which is like your e minor shape, but 3string is fretted at 4 fret, hope this helps. you should be able to play this in standard tuning in e modal using long a and a variant of b 7, that misses out the d# 5 string 2 fret, 4 string 4 fret,3 string 2 fret dont play 6 string, 1and 2 strings are open, by having the 1 string open it turns it into a sus 4 chord and it sounds right, i think you only use this chord once right at the end on the word [ned] |
12 Sep 11 - 12:44 PM (#3222024) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: The Sandman this should read,e modal is top 2 strings open,6 string open, 5 string7 fret, 4 string 9fret, 3 string 9 fret. |
12 Sep 11 - 12:48 PM (#3222026) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: The Sandman the same thing applies when playing it in a, instead of playing e modal on the word[ned], try playing your e chord like this,5 string2 fret, 4 string2 fret, 3 string 2 fret, it is emodal sus 4 |
12 Sep 11 - 01:06 PM (#3222031) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: The Sandman in drop d, it is relatively simple, it is mainly long d, and a g chord that if you are finger picking you do not pick top string,so 6 string 5fret, 5 string 5 fret, 2 string 3 fret , that is a g chord without the b note, it is nearly all d and g, but on the word ned, it is long a, as explained earlier. incidentally i have decide i do not like this[the same thing applies when playing it in a, instead of playing e modal on the word[ned], try playing your e chord like this,5 string2 fret, 4 string2 fret, 3 string 2 fret, it is emodal sus 4] in my previous post |
12 Sep 11 - 02:37 PM (#3222082) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: GUEST,Martin Dardis Here's a link to the song on youtube where you can see what chords are being played, Ned Of The Hill |
12 Sep 11 - 03:42 PM (#3222117) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: The Sandman they may or may not be the appropriate chords it is a matter of opinion, but I think that particular version is a classic example of a guitar imposing a rhythym on a song that[imo] should be sung more freely, the vocalist does have a very pleasant sounding voice, andIwould like to hear him singing it unaccompanied |
12 Sep 11 - 04:33 PM (#3222152) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: GUEST,mg I would like to "learn" the phonetic gaelic words..has anyone figured them out? HOpefully to a very standard version that is written out? And sung on you tube? mg |
12 Sep 11 - 04:51 PM (#3222158) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: GUEST,mg Pretty version...young woman is Ukranian. mg |
12 Sep 11 - 04:59 PM (#3222163) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: GUEST,999 GUEST: I will post the chords to the version you requested a bit later tonight or early tomorrow. That is, the one in the video done by Sean Cannon. |
13 Sep 11 - 09:09 AM (#3222462) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: GUEST,999 GUEST, where are you? |
13 Sep 11 - 01:11 PM (#3222618) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: GUEST,leeneia Good question. |
13 Sep 11 - 05:44 PM (#3222751) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: GUEST,999 Leeneia, do you know how many versions of this song there are? Both you and Dick have said it can be done unaccompanied, some sites have it in a minor key, the one GUEST wants in a major key: well, now I'm confused. BTW, I loved your "don't drink and type" remark. I too almost lost some coffee to the keyboard. The first time I came to Mudcat it took me about two weeks to find the site again. Maybe that's what happened to the OP. BFN |
13 Sep 11 - 10:54 PM (#3222879) Subject: yrRE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: GUEST,mg Here are some lyrics and a phonetic guide Eamonn an Chnoic Ce he sin a-muigh, a bhfuil faobhar ar a ghuth Ag rea-badh mo dhor-ais dhun-ta? Mi-se Eamonn an Chnoic a-ta ba-te fuar fliuch O-shior shiu-il sleibh-te is gleann-ta A laoigh dhil is a chu-id cad a dhean-fainn-se duit Nur-a gcuir-finn ort binn de no ghun-a 'Sgo bhfuil pud-ar go tiubh a shior shei-deadh leat Is go mbei-mis a-r-a-on mu-cht-a Is fa-da mi-se a-muigh fa-oi shneach-ta 's faoi shioc Is gan dan-acht ag-am ar a-o-n neach Mo sheis-reach gan scor, mo bhran-ar-gan chur Is gan iad ag-am ar a-on chor Nil car-aid ag-am is dan-aid liom san A ghlac-fadh me mo-ch na de-a-nach Is go gcaith-fidh me dul th-ar fa-rrai-ge soir O is ann nach bhfuil aon de m' gha-olta . •by Eleanor_D on September 6th, 2010 Answerbag .Ulster pronunciation Kay-hay shin a-mwee, a will fweear air ah ggoo Ah ray-boo muh ggor-ish ggoon-tah? Mi-sha Ay-mon a Hkrik a-taw baw-cha fooar flyukh Oh heer byoo-il shlayv-ta iss glan-ta A lee yil iss a khw-idge kod a yayn-hin-shi dich Mu-ra gur-hin ort bin deh muh ggoon-ah, Sgo will pood-ar go tyoov aw heeir hay-joo lyat Iss go meh-mish a-ree-ee-in moo-kht-a Iss-fah-dah mi-sha a-mwee fw-ee h'nokh-tass fwee hyuk Iss gon dawn-okht og-um air a-y-on nyakh Muh hesh-rakk gon skor, muh vran-ar nyakh, Muh hesh-rakh gon skor, muh vran-ar gon khur Iss gon ayad og-um air ay-on khor Neel kar-id og-um iss dan-id lum san Ah gglack-oo may mo-kh naw ja-y-nokh Iss go guy-hee may dul h-ar fa-ri-ga shir O' iss on nokh wil ayon deh muh gge-elta |
14 Sep 11 - 11:50 AM (#3223106) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: GUEST,leeneia Hello, 999. I know of two tunes for 'Ned of the Hill.' One is in my 'O'Neill's Music of Ireland.' It is the 1903 edition, which contains music collected in Chicago 1890-1900. Number 133 has the two titles Eamun a Cnuic and Ned of the Hill, so there's no doubt what it is. It's marked 'slow' and it has a plaintive sound. It's not actually minor, but I can see how a person would assume it is. Just to make things more complicated, the index says that that tune is also known as: The other tune is the one Sean Cannon is singing. To me, that is the tune for 'Lambs in the Green Fields.' |
14 Sep 11 - 12:07 PM (#3223115) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: GUEST,leeneia You can see the sticks & dots and the abc for the old tune (O'Neill's 133) here: http://abcnotation.com/tunePage?a=www.abc-notation.com/abcs/o1/o1-0133/o1-0133-1/0000 In my opinion, it's been transmogrified from a song to a bravura fiddle piece. |
14 Sep 11 - 12:21 PM (#3223124) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: The Sandman Subject: RE: Chord Req: 'lambs in greenfields' From: GUEST,leeneia - PM Date: 08 Sep 09 - 12:31 PM Okay. I'll try again. On the version below, there should be a D over 'play.' If there isn't, the chords have moved again during the submission process. If so, go to the column below, copy the lyrics to the first verse and put the chord symbol that FOLLOWS the word ABOVE the word. A D A E A D The lambs on the green hills, they sport and they play E A E A D A D And many strawberries grow round the salt sea A D E A D How sad is my heart when my love is away A E D A How many's the ship sails the o-cean ========= lambs - A on -D the A hills E they A play D ma- E -ber- A -ies E grow A round D the A sea D sad A is D when E my A -way D ma- A ship E o- D -cean A I should mention that the song is in 3/4 time and the key is A. If you listen to the link where Emmylou sings this song with Chieftains, you will hear her exercising a professional's technique on the word 'play.' She sings 'pleh' with a short e, as in 'red.' That's because the long A sound is a diphthong (eh-ee) and she simply stays with the first element of it on that very high, exposed, final note of the phrase. In choirs, we do this in order to keep everyone on the same vowel. If we don't, the note sounds out of tune. I have heard Steve Goodman, as well, change a final long A to short E at the end of a phrase. |
14 Sep 11 - 12:35 PM (#3223140) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: The Sandman Ned of the Hill Two English versions follow. We're not sure which one Chris was most familiar with. NED OF THE HILL Oh dark is the evening and silent the hour Oh who is that minstrel by yon shady tower Whose harp is so tenderly touching with skill Oh who could it be but young Ned of the Hill And he sings, "Lady love, will you come with me now Come and live merrily under the bough I'll pillow your head where the light fairies tread If you will but wed with young ned of the Hill" Young Ned of the Hill has no castle or hall No bowmen or spearmen to come at his call But one little archer of exquisite skill Has loosed a bright shaft for young Ned of the Hill It is hard to escape to this young lady's bower For high is the castle and guarded the tower But where there's a will there's always a way And young Eileen is gone with young ned of the Hill http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvfOF8VFMvE |
14 Sep 11 - 12:39 PM (#3223144) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: The Sandman The version of the song that i sang uses mainly two chords tonic and sub dominant with dominant on the last line on ned, as i said earlier i prefer to use power chords, or modal dyads,2 note chords without a third so they are neither major or minor. |
14 Sep 11 - 01:26 PM (#3223172) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: GUEST,mg Is this the same tune as Jock Stewart? mg |
14 Sep 11 - 01:34 PM (#3223177) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: The Sandman |
19 Sep 11 - 01:52 PM (#3225643) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: GUEST "The first time I came to Mudcat it took me about two weeks to find the site again. Maybe that's what happened to the OP." ^ This exactly haha. I couldn't even find my own thread! Hopeless! Many apologies, but also many thanks, this site is truely fantastic, (whenever I can find it!). Particularly @Good Soldier Schweik thankyou very much for those detailed chords! Will try them out as soon as I've got my guitar back! Also thanks to 999 and leeneia for the input and to everyone for the help and patience! @ From: GUEST,999 Date: 12 Sep 11 - 04:59 PM GUEST: I will post the chords to the version you requested a bit later tonight or early tomorrow. That is, the one in the video done by Sean Cannon. I would be very interested to see what you came up with 999, as I said I'm just a beginner when it comes to this stuff :D Thanks again - OP |
19 Sep 11 - 03:38 PM (#3225708) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: Stewart Here's my version of Ned of the Hill played on fiddle and sung a capella lyrics and musical notation Cheers, S. in Seattle |
19 Sep 11 - 04:21 PM (#3225736) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: Stewart Here are some notes on the ballad and "the earliest [version] yet discovered, taken from a manuscript of the year 1726, of which a variant was printed by Bartlett Cooke in 1794" (from http://www.libraryireland.com/IrishMusic/XIX-2.php) Cheers, S. in Seattle |
20 Sep 11 - 01:04 PM (#3226138) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: The Sandman sorry, I disagree, if the player plays it in drop d, not standard, to my ears that first chord should be d,or d modal the b minor is too lush ,likewise i do not like f#minor, i am not saying its wrong but not what i would use, neither would i use some of those e minors, however, Stewart, you have done a good job it is very accurate, good notation of the melody, and your layout is really clear and the chords are good, sometimes chords are a matter of taste and there can be a couple of options. |
20 Sep 11 - 02:10 PM (#3226169) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: Stewart Schweik,the choice of chords probably relates more to the way the singer interprets the song. I came up with those chords a long time ago, but since I sing the song a capella now I haven't really thought about them in quite a while. I have no strong feelings about these chords. And it's interesting that I don't follow my notated melody exactly the same either. It's sort of evolved over time to my current interpretation of the song. Cheers, S. in Seattle |
20 Sep 11 - 07:51 PM (#3226313) Subject: RE: Ned of the Hill Chords (Sean Cannon) From: GUEST Hi Guys, A lot of these type songs are much better sung with no chords/ no guitar . Give the guitar a rest and just get into the song, much more room for expression. Why let the guitar spoil a good song? |