Is English traditional music rubbish?

23 Sep 11 - 02:57 PM (#3227879)
Subject: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: The Sandman

I saw the following statement on www.session.org, by someone calling themselves Llig leahcim.
"Well, to be specific, most traditional Irish music is rubbish because most traditional Irish musicians are rubbish.

And most traditional english music is just plain rubbish."
In my opinion this is a sweeping generalisation, made by an uninformed ignoramus, but i wondered how many other people thought traditional English music is just plain rubbish.

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23 Sep 11 - 03:04 PM (#3227885)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: John MacKenzie

Well Michael Gill may have a point.
Is all English rubbish music? Is just as valid and sweeping a question.
;-)

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23 Sep 11 - 03:07 PM (#3227887)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,schlimmerkerl

Wow! He spelled his name *backwards*. I was *completely fooled*. Many thanks John for revealing his true identity!

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23 Sep 11 - 03:09 PM (#3227890)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: The Sandman

he may have a point on the other hand he may not have a point.
and is all English rubbish music, is not only bad grammar, but unintelligible gibberish, or do you mean is all English rubbish, music?.

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23 Sep 11 - 03:22 PM (#3227900)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: michaelr

Most opinions voiced on internet forums are rubbish.

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23 Sep 11 - 03:38 PM (#3227913)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: MGM·Lion

No

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23 Sep 11 - 03:43 PM (#3227919)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: The Sandman

so this berk.. llig leahcim, lumps northumbrian music along with the music of Oscar Woods and the singing of Joseph Taylor and Harry Cox as rubbish, to my ears they are quite different.

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23 Sep 11 - 03:44 PM (#3227920)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Tootler

The few times I have looked at www.session.org, Michael Gill seems to have been quite prominent stirring things up. I get the impression he is something of a troll and should not be taken too seriously.

Mind you there is nothing like a good generalisation :)

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23 Sep 11 - 04:10 PM (#3227938)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie

Interesting question all the same.

All music is rubbish of course. The question demands a subjective answer and as anybody will call a piece of music rubbish when others will rave over it, all music can be rubbish.

beauty is in the ear of the bodhran holder.

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23 Sep 11 - 04:13 PM (#3227944)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Gurney

It may be rubbish, but by jingo, it's British rubbish!

That's a quote, by the way.
I've sung more than my share of it, and come to the conclusion that it gives more to the singer than to the audience. Modern, non-trad audience. And to me, so does any other English-language trad.
But we can rest secure in the knowledge that the singer isn't a whore.:-)

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23 Sep 11 - 04:22 PM (#3227947)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: The Sandman

troll? more like a racist Scottish fool, first he dismisses most irish traditional musicians as rubbish, then dismisses all english traditional music.

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23 Sep 11 - 04:33 PM (#3227954)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,kcuD eht ffoeG

Dick. Quite frankly some people should just be ignored.
!kcauQ
DtG.

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23 Sep 11 - 04:40 PM (#3227959)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Banjo-Flower

sorry Geoff you'll have to try harder I saw through your disguise straight away

yrreg

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23 Sep 11 - 04:57 PM (#3227965)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Jack Campin

Michael knows what he's talking about. His communication style takes a bit of getting used to but it's worth making the effort to get what he's saying.

And he has never posted anything that comes close to self-promotion.

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23 Sep 11 - 05:15 PM (#3227971)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Wesley S

I think we're fortunate that tolls from other forums can get their opinions shared here too. Because if there's one thing the Mudcat could use it's more trolling posts.

So when is someone going to open a thread called "Are Trolls Rubbish"?

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23 Sep 11 - 05:25 PM (#3227977)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: The Sandman

Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Jack Campin - PM
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 04:57 PM

Michael knows what he's talking about. His communication style takes a bit of getting used to but it's worth making the effort to get what he's saying.

And he has never posted anything that comes close to self-promotion.
now, this is a post, that is interesting, so Jack appears to be saying that Michael knows what he is talking about, so English Traditional music is rubbish, yet neither Jack or Michael can explain why.
Jack you are an experts on modes, is English music rubbish because of its use or lack of use of all of the different modes.
and what has the remark about self promotion got to do with this thread

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23 Sep 11 - 05:27 PM (#3227980)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban

Not quite sure who the troll is in this case.

Well, I do actually.

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23 Sep 11 - 05:31 PM (#3227982)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Big Al Whittle

I've noticed that quite a lot of musicians have this sort of attitude:-

Of course the hobbledehoys may think I'm rubbish - but if they really knew about folk/jazz/heavy metal/classical music/etc - then they would realise that I'm pretty wonderful.

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23 Sep 11 - 05:38 PM (#3227983)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Jack Campin

MtheGM - where did you find the grinning capacitor 〠 and what is it for?

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23 Sep 11 - 05:58 PM (#3227995)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Leadfingers

Sadly , I have to admit that I HAVE heard a lot of Absolute Rubbish being passed off as Traditional Folk of ALL genres , but that was ALWAYS down to the performer rather than the original music !

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23 Sep 11 - 06:05 PM (#3227998)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: The Sandman

100, sorry lead fingers.
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban - PM
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 05:27 PM

Not quite sure who the troll is in this case.

Well, I do actually.
Peter HAS JUST WON A CRACKERJACK PENCIL.

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23 Sep 11 - 06:20 PM (#3228008)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,Ian Gill

Hope this Gill fellow isn't related to me ! Anyway, as we all know the answer is 'no'. End of.

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23 Sep 11 - 06:28 PM (#3228012)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Little Hawk

No. Rubbish is an odd lot of discarded stuff and spoilt food that gets put out at the curb once a week, usually inside a large black or green plastic garbage bag.

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23 Sep 11 - 06:32 PM (#3228015)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,Blue Clicky

Michael Gill is English. He once was a turtle.

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23 Sep 11 - 07:03 PM (#3228036)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,Phil L

Before we get too far in this debate can someone define rubbish? Maybe tradional rubbish has a greater value than other rubbish. Is there Pop Rubbsh, or Rock Rubbish, maybe Blues Rubbish. I find the idea of Art Rubbish quite appealing. Also Classical Rubbish, Serial Rubbish, Romantic Rubbish, Baroque Rubbish - the list goes on. Can the music be rubbish if the performer is not, or vice versa?

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23 Sep 11 - 07:06 PM (#3228038)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Richard Bridge

Is a curb like a kerb, or more sort of BDSM?

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23 Sep 11 - 07:31 PM (#3228041)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: johncharles

• rubbish [noun] worthless material that is to be disposed of
Synonyms: trash, scrap
• [noun] nonsensical talk or writing
Synonyms: folderol, tripe, trumpery, trash, wish-wash, applesauce, codswallop

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23 Sep 11 - 08:41 PM (#3228077)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Big Al Whittle

True enough you put Bargain Hunt on and theres david barby and Philip Serrel cooing over some monstrosity you wouldn't give houserrom to. Its very subjective as to what is rubbish.

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23 Sep 11 - 08:52 PM (#3228083)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Suegorgeous

Is that the same folderol one comes across in folk choruses sometimes?

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23 Sep 11 - 08:53 PM (#3228085)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Steve Shaw

You are the troll, Dick. You have a very long history of being sussed out and trounced by Michael on the Session so now you think you can bring it over here. That's the motive behind this threads, folks. It has nothing to do with what the heading purports to be about, hardly surprising coming from a man who is a past master at misrepresenting himself. You would have been banned several times over from that website had you posted some of the comments you have posted here, Dick, you coward. Actually, we all know how hard it is to ban you because of your multiple and ever-changing identities. This thread is a disgrace and you are a disgrace.

Michael has his own direct way of saying what he says and he will probably never be appointed head of the diplomatic corps, but be assured that, when it comes to traditional music, he is no fool.

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24 Sep 11 - 02:52 AM (#3228189)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: The Sandman

I have no problem with different opinions providing that they are qualified, that then in my opinion makes them of value,
for example if I said I prefer Old timey music to Bluegrass because in my opinion Bluegrass can on occasions sound as if the tunes are being played to facilitate a certain pattern of picking, that statement would have more worth than saying all bluegrass is rubbish.
it is ignorant to lump all English traditional music together and dismiss it, because English tradtional music is varied in its styles,the same applies to IRISH TRADTIONAL MUSICIANS.
This is a music discussion forum, if someone makes a statement on an internet forum that insults a certain form of music, I have a right to discuss it without being accused of being a Troll, that is called free speeech., Steve if you dont like it dont participate, Jack   whether someone has posted something that is self promotion is plain irrelevant.

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24 Sep 11 - 03:11 AM (#3228192)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: johncharles

music is subjective, and opinions about its worth to any given individual need no qualification. Looking at measures such as audience size, music sales etc. would suggest that english/irish traditional folk music is not as well received amongst the wider population as we supporters of traditional music might wish. That, however, is the way it is and I respect peoples right to hold their own opinion without them having to justify it.

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24 Sep 11 - 05:42 AM (#3228221)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Steve Shaw

You brought it over here in order to diss Michael, not to discuss music. Appalling behaviour.

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24 Sep 11 - 06:16 AM (#3228227)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: treewind

Thanks Steve for the only plausible explanation for how this all started.

I see the thread in question (which can be located by a Google search) seems to have had the relevant material quietly deleted. It wouldn't be a great loss if the same happened here.

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24 Sep 11 - 06:18 AM (#3228228)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Big Al Whittle

doesn't all music and poetry 'facilitate a certain pattern' - otherwise we would be expressing ourself in prose.

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24 Sep 11 - 06:23 AM (#3228230)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: treewind

Oh yes, the old "free speech" argument.
"The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously."
(Hubert Humphrey)

Also "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"
(attribution unknown)

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24 Sep 11 - 06:25 AM (#3228233)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Bonzo3legs

Not when it's played on electric instruments. Even the worst trad song can be made to sound wonderful!!

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24 Sep 11 - 07:14 AM (#3228247)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: John MacKenzie

Hee hee, that'll put the cat among the penguins.

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24 Sep 11 - 07:59 AM (#3228261)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: The Sandman

i brought it over here because I thought it was an insult to the music I love and an insult to many irish tradtional musicians that I Respect,also this is a forum that is properly moderated unlike the other forum
Steve, please stop trying to attribute motives to me that are not true,and please stop attempting to diss me
It is normally possible on this forum to discuss derogatory statements that people make about music without personal name calling, if you dont wish to discuss it, go away , but please stop insulting me and calling me names.

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24 Sep 11 - 08:19 AM (#3228267)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Dave Hanson

Quite clearly English traditional music isn't rubbish, [ or Irish for that matter ] you only have to listen to the likes of The Copper Family, Martin Carthy, Norma Waterson etc. the list is endless, the only point of this thread was to start an argument, no more no less.

Dave H

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24 Sep 11 - 08:26 AM (#3228269)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: John MacKenzie

Perhaps the best answer would have been to publicise the thread on Sessions, give a link to that site
Then engage directly with the person who made the comment we are all discussing (allegedly) That person is not represented here, and cannot defend himself from an attack by the OP. Said OP is very keen to avoid criticism of himself and his views, yet this thread seems to have been started with the intention of criticising someone else, behind his back!

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24 Sep 11 - 08:27 AM (#3228270)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban

Is this the first time you seem to be taking issues you have with people, or whole forums, to another venue and dressing them up as innocently posted subjects?



Who are you fooling?

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24 Sep 11 - 09:28 AM (#3228294)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Steve Shaw

Dick Miles in this thread:

It is normally possible on this forum to discuss derogatory statements that people make about music without personal name calling, if you dont wish to discuss it, go away , but please stop insulting me and calling me names.

Dick Miles in self-same thread but further up, referring to Michael, who is not here to respond:

"an uninformed ignoramus"

"so this berk.. llig leahcim"

"troll? more like a racist Scottish fool"

Witness Dick Miles' notion of discussing without name-calling. You've diminished yourself quite enough now, Dick. Crawl away and hope that we'll forget this.

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24 Sep 11 - 09:52 AM (#3228298)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Peter C

Actually we will never get to know whether English traditional music is rubbish or not, because we never get to hear any! (except in the privacy of our own homes/cars etc!)

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24 Sep 11 - 09:59 AM (#3228302)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Big Al Whittle

Well I have a lot of time for Dick Miles. I've never met him, but he is a fine songwriter and musician. I don't understand what the point of the thread is. But if he was more specific about what it is, that has upset him, I'm sure we would all understand, and maybe even agree with him.

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24 Sep 11 - 10:06 AM (#3228305)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: johncharles

"Perhaps the best answer would have been to publicise the thread on Sessions, give a link to that site Then engage directly with the person who made the comment we are all discussing (allegedly)"
Dikc Miles being suspended from The Session discussion area would make this rather difficult.

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24 Sep 11 - 10:16 AM (#3228307)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: tonyteach1

Last night I watched Carthy and Swarbrick dazzle an audience at the Union Chapel with a mixture of British and other music. If its rubbish I enjoyed it and would go and see them again

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24 Sep 11 - 10:47 AM (#3228312)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: The Sandman

iHAVE SPENT MOST OF MY LIFE TRYING TO PROMOTE eNGLISH AND

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24 Sep 11 - 10:54 AM (#3228318)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: John MacKenzie

Fighting the Capslock?

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24 Sep 11 - 11:01 AM (#3228322)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: The Sandman

I have spent most of my life trying to promote English and Irsh Traditional music,
a statement that says that english traditional music is rubbish, is the uttering of someone who is unknowing/ ignorant.
English traditional music is very varied, one example is the difference in style between Oscar Woods and Billy Pigg.
the next statement that most irish traditional musicians are rubbish is insulting, unqualified and no truer than someone saying the world is flat.
Statements such as the above do a great disservice to the promotion of traditional music, this is my concern, and I felt it had to be answered. I have never met Llig Leachim,he may be a very pleasant person, I just wish he would stop making provocative unqualified statements.When people make silly unqualified statements dissing traditional musicians and traditional music, I will defend the music whoever the person is making the statement.
I found both of his statements upsetting , aggravating, and chose to use this forum to systematically prove why he is talking nonsense. which is what I have done,and I will continue to do so any time any person whoever they are comes out with unqualified drivel.

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24 Sep 11 - 11:13 AM (#3228328)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: johncharles

John MacKenzie your last post was the funniest thing I have read all month.

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24 Sep 11 - 11:38 AM (#3228337)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,Ellen Vannin

In the totality of music, those of us who like traditional music of whatever kind are an embattled minority. Wouldn't it be nice if we supported each other and fought to preserve what we have rather than indulging in cheap sneers and ill-informed prejudice.

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24 Sep 11 - 11:41 AM (#3228338)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban

I have never met Llig Leachim

You got banned from thesession.org for choosing a username that closely mimicked his. and you're still telling us you don't have something personal invested in pursuing this discussion?

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24 Sep 11 - 11:44 AM (#3228339)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST, Tom Bliss

Unless I've very much mistaken (and I may well be), Michael's a fine musician and very knowledgable about all types of folk music, whatever he may or may not have said in another context on another forum.

He played in the seminal and very brilliant band York-based You Slosh with the legendary Troy Donockley.

Have a google.

Tom

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24 Sep 11 - 12:44 PM (#3228356)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Vic Smith

Lesson one:-
"Don't feed the troll."

If it is not obvious who the troll is, just read through this thread and see who is making most insults and causing most offence.

www.session.org is not the only thread that he hasd been banned from because of the nature of his postings.

Ignore him!

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24 Sep 11 - 12:59 PM (#3228363)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Dave the Gnome

By jingo it's British rubbish - Fred Wedlock, The Folker. BTW.

Another quote from the same song

I only sing traditional with my finger in my ear
coz half the tripe I'm singing, I just can't stand to hear
It's a load of cob-li-aarrrrs

A much better attitude to trad folk than some. In my opinion of course.

:D tG

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24 Sep 11 - 01:02 PM (#3228367)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,999

"Is English traditional music rubbish?"

While lookin' around the www I tripped over the following:

"One man's garbage is another man's treasure. Unless you're a raccoon. Then it's basically all one category."

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24 Sep 11 - 01:45 PM (#3228384)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: The Sandman

Peter, yes I am saying that
you are correct, I got suspended from the session for a year for changing my user name to llig leachim, it was a joke, incidentally there is absolutely nothing in the rules of www.session.org, to say that a user cannot have a similiar name to another user.
Jack Gilder was also suspended for a year at the same time when in fact HE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN SUSPENDED AT ALL, someone else on that particular thread should have been suspended, and again it was someone who insulted irish trad musicians in ireland
incidentally llig has been suspended many times from www.session.org.
I have never made any comment on the musicianship of Llig, I am commenting on a stupid statement that is in my opinion an insult to English Traditional music and Irish trad musicians.,and those people who wish to use this thread as an opportunity for having a go at me, [Vic and Peter] are illustrating the unpleasant side to their characters.
can we get back to the statement which insults both trad music and irish trad musicians

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24 Sep 11 - 01:58 PM (#3228385)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: John MacKenzie

Which side of your character are you displaying here. Dick?

The petty side?

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24 Sep 11 - 02:01 PM (#3228386)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,Jollity Farm

Our club had been considering booking Dick Miles for an event next year. We won't be doing so now.

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24 Sep 11 - 02:01 PM (#3228387)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,kenny

Depends how it's played, and in the opinion of the listener, - the same applies to any music.
I played a few tunes in "Sandy Bell's" with Michael Gill 4 weeks ago. He's a very good Irish fiddler, and certainly very forthright, and very often deliberately provocative, with his opinions on "thesession.org". If he thinks "all English music is rubbish" - an opinion which I, a Scotsman do not agree with - he is perfectly entitled to hold that opinion, and no one here or anywhere else can tell him he's wrong. It's HIS OPINION. Mind you, logically that statement can only be true if he has heard ALL English traditional music, which is of course impossible. "The English traditional music I've heard is rubbish" is entirely possible - depends what he's been listening to.
Perhaps you good people would like to suggest some English traditional music recordings which might change his opinion. I'll see that any suggestions are passed on to him.

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24 Sep 11 - 02:05 PM (#3228390)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Elmore

OMG. I've spent 50 years listening to this stuff, and it turns out to be rubbish. Off to the opera then.

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24 Sep 11 - 02:25 PM (#3228392)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: johncharles

well said Kenny.

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24 Sep 11 - 02:36 PM (#3228394)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Vic Smith

Good to see Treewind contributing to this thread. Looking forward to seeing him and Mary again at Tenterden next weekend. I hope that we get a chance to play with him in a session again, especially if we can play some of that excellent rubbish that we both play.

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24 Sep 11 - 02:42 PM (#3228398)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Vic Smith

Interesting to see Sandy Bells mentioned above. We had one of Ireland's all-time greatest traditional musicians staying here last week and he happens to live in Edinburgh. He said that he never goes to sessions at Bells any more because they only play jigs and reels at 100mph there these days and where, he said, is the enjoyment in that?

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24 Sep 11 - 02:45 PM (#3228401)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Suegorgeous

I think Kenny has made the most relevant point here. It's just one man's opinion. The world teems with different opinions, and if we got steamed up every time someone said an "I think" that we disagreed with, we'd all go round in a permanent fury. (Hmmm... maybe some people do!)

Why not just say you disagree with him, and leave it at that? what do you hope to achieve with this? you're not going to change his mind through it. Clearly, English trad music is not rubbish per se - that is purely down to subjective opinion. What discussion is there to be had?

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24 Sep 11 - 02:51 PM (#3228405)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,kenny

Vic Smith - as far as I know, there is only one person living in Edinburgh who matches your description, and if you're referring to the flute/whistle player and singer who I think you are, he was playing in a session in Bells earlier that same afternoon.

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24 Sep 11 - 02:58 PM (#3228409)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,999

ANYone who would apply a term like rubbish to the whole of a musical genre has issues. Much the same as people who say, blues is the only music worth listening to. I have heard that said and I thought, what a twit. (That's not a typo.)

I could go for the rest of my life and never hear 'Boil Them Cabbage Down' and not be bothered. However, I have good friends who like the song, and just because it doesn't turn MY crank doesn't make it rubbish.

I have read some people on Mudcat who present themselves as "the last word" on various musics. Well, they ain't. They simply like what they like, and that's that. True, they may know lots about their chosen area of study, and that's cool, but when they diss the music that others like they become boors and bores.

I would expect the fellow who seems to be the subject of this thread was taken out of context. I hope so anyway.

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24 Sep 11 - 03:11 PM (#3228416)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Vic Smith

Kenny - You have identified him and as you know him, you will realise that some of his statements have to be taken with a pinch of salt. It may still reflect correctly on his opinion, though. It would take more than a session not being fully to his taste to keep him away.

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24 Sep 11 - 03:48 PM (#3228432)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Jack Campin

Interesting to see Sandy Bells mentioned above. We had one of Ireland's all-time greatest traditional musicians staying here last week and he happens to live in Edinburgh. He said that he never goes to sessions at Bells any more because they only play jigs and reels at 100mph there these days and where, he said, is the enjoyment in that?

That isn't all that happens there - depends what time you go. Michael's session is Tuesday nights, I think. I've never met him or been to it, as far as I can remember, but I don't think he's a speed merchant.

Knowing the celebrity you mean, I can think of a few other reasons why he might not drop in there much these days. He's earned a rest, for starters.

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24 Sep 11 - 03:58 PM (#3228438)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Steve Shaw

I am commenting on a stupid statement that is in my opinion an insult to English Traditional music and Irish trad musicians.,and those people who wish to use this thread as an opportunity for having a go at me, [Vic and Peter] are illustrating the unpleasant side to their characters.
can we get back to the statement which insults both trad music and irish trad musicians

What you are very dishonestly failing to communicate to the readers of this thread is that you and Michael go back a very long way indeed in terms of having a bloody awful relationship, predicated mainly on the fact that he sussed you out as a charlatan a long time ago. You have picked on something you allege he said and ripped it out of a context which none of us can now go back to check (I read interesting-looking threads there every single day, but even I missed that one). You hoped to be able to insult him from afar, as he doesn't post here, because you know you can't get away with it there (what a coward you are), but you forget that many of us who do post here also post on TheSession. I'm utterly amazed than even you could have thought you'd get away with it. Shame on you.

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24 Sep 11 - 04:07 PM (#3228440)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Waddon Pete

"Beauty is in the ear of the bodhran holder".

"One man's garbage is another man's treasure. Unless you're a raccoon. Then it's basically all one category."

Wonderful comments! Thanks fellas!

Best wishes,

Peter

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24 Sep 11 - 04:49 PM (#3228454)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban

What Dick also fails to report is that there's a bit of history between him and myself. This, as far as I can see, goes back to a fairly firm discussion that eventually resulted in him being booted off concertina.net, for both his public behaviour and the content of private messages I received.

When I started posting on Mudcat Dick on several occasions jumped me in a most unpleasant manner. Mind you, he initially got my goat and I responded in kind, which I regret.

Since there have been scuffles on thesession.org, where he posts under a number of ever changing aliases, while presently banned under his own name. At one point was put on notice by the webmaster that should he try contact me again via private message his account would be closed forthwith.

I entered a discussion on concertina.net some time ago with a poster called Martin Gibson, an alias, I have since learned, not unknown on Mudcat. I sussed who I was dealing with, which resulted in an immediate ban of that username from that forum.

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24 Sep 11 - 05:14 PM (#3228465)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Gurney

Aw, come on, guys! Can't we have opinions without the personal rancour? This is a pretty interesting subject.

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24 Sep 11 - 05:38 PM (#3228467)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,Bruce Baillie

...This thread is certainly shit!

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24 Sep 11 - 06:05 PM (#3228471)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Steve Shaw

If you think it's an interesting subject I suggest you start a clean, new thread about it. This one is fatally tainted by the sheer dishonesty of the original poster.

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24 Sep 11 - 06:33 PM (#3228479)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: GUEST,Ebor_Fiddler

"York-based You Slosh with the legendary Troy Donockley." Legendary? Certainly not In York he isn't! Who?

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24 Sep 11 - 06:47 PM (#3228485)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Big Al Whittle

Its all getting a bit complicated.

Who is Michael?

What can it all mean...?

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24 Sep 11 - 07:26 PM (#3228494)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Jack Campin

Who is Michael?

llig leahcim on TheSession.

Dick Miles changes his username regularly but his current identity can be found here: Dick Miles on TheSession

Currently inactive identity: Dick Miles (banned) on The Session

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24 Sep 11 - 07:37 PM (#3228503)
Subject: RE: Is English traditional music rubbish?
From: Steve Shaw

Yep. Let's hope Jeremy sees this thread. It's outrageous that Dick Miles is allowed to get away with his illegal multiple identities, but he's made a career out of it for years. Nice one, Jack. I await the usual bleating denials from Dick with considerable glee. Shame we're not allowed to publish private messages!

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