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05 Nov 11 - 09:50 PM (#3251078) Subject: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Bobert ??? B;~) |
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05 Nov 11 - 09:54 PM (#3251081) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: gnu No. It's a Canuck plot. Yer welcome. |
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05 Nov 11 - 10:01 PM (#3251083) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: olddude It actually is a railroad plot I believe ... don't mess with RR time Bobster, us old RR watch collectors will be throwing food at ya :-) |
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05 Nov 11 - 10:03 PM (#3251087) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: GUEST,Uncle_DaveO Of course not. It was proposed, as I understand it, by Benjamin Franklin, and I've never heard him characterized as a Red (although he was, of course, a revolutionary). Regardless of who "invented" it, it's a very workable system, of great benefit to the nation. Dave Oesterreich |
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05 Nov 11 - 10:15 PM (#3251091) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Bobert Benjamin Franklin was a commie... B;~) |
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05 Nov 11 - 10:29 PM (#3251094) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Rapparee Bobert, you're only annoyed with DST because you have to reset all the clocks and things and you have to read the manuals every time you do it. But think -- you're getting an extra HOUR of sleep, of life! Why, if you set your clocks back far enough you could even be six years old again! |
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05 Nov 11 - 10:39 PM (#3251098) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Bobert I'm all over that, Rap... Ya' know, I always wanted a 2nd chance at 1st grade... B;~) |
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05 Nov 11 - 10:44 PM (#3251101) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Rapparee Might not take you six years this time, huh? |
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05 Nov 11 - 10:59 PM (#3251106) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: GUEST,mark-s(on the road) Just don't mess with the clock in the barn. Cows need to be milked at the same time every day and the chickens get confused. |
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05 Nov 11 - 11:34 PM (#3251110) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Joe Offer Daylight Savings Time is just fine. I love the extra hour of daylight, and I'd like to have it every day. Why not abandon Standard time? I think it's Standard Time that's a Capitalist plot. -Joe- |
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05 Nov 11 - 11:38 PM (#3251111) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: GUEST,mg I think it is really wrong to even think of doing it..it is messing with something too primal and built into our biology..plus not all the world goes on and off it so it will confuse other countries and inconvenience them for no benefit that I can think of..other than kids walking to school..but that is offset in the afternoon..does my computer know this is going to happen or do I have to reset it? mg |
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05 Nov 11 - 11:42 PM (#3251113) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Beer Dead on Guest Mark... Oh!!! I can hardly wait.... I have time to drink another 6 pack. ad. |
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05 Nov 11 - 11:51 PM (#3251115) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Bee-dubya-ell Actually, clock time is a capitalist plot. In pre-industrial times, only a handful of people in specialized occupations needed to know much more than a rough approximation of the time. A farmworker's day was determined by sunrise and sunset. But a factory worker needed to be at work when his boss told him to be there, even if it was in the middle of the night. It was the capitalist factory owners who forced workers to be dependent on clock time. |
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06 Nov 11 - 01:02 AM (#3251135) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: katlaughing My dad, who really wasn't religious, said Standard Time was "God's Time" and good enough for him. Me, too.:-) |
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06 Nov 11 - 01:09 AM (#3251127) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Gurney Mark, from what I've seen, confusion is the default state for chickens. I understand that Britain went onto double daylight savings during WWII, two hours forward. I also understand that it saves a noticeable amount of power, making industrial workers go to bed earlier. Here, the people who complain loudest are dairy farmers, because the milk-truck comes earlier, and they have to wake the cows up earlier. Why the issue them with wristwatches is beyond me! |
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06 Nov 11 - 01:25 AM (#3251140) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: GUEST,Donal I don't what happened above, the damned thing took off on its own, but the mention of double daylight saving took me back to WWII when we kids had to go to bed at eight o'clock and it was still broad daylight for seemingly ages after that, we hated it and played up in consequence. On the broader subject, we've been fighting about it - daylight saving - for years here in W. Australia, four referenda with trials, in twenty years and all, I'm happy to say, defeated. |
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06 Nov 11 - 02:38 AM (#3251164) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: GUEST,999 I have never had difficulties with understanding which way the clocks have to be turned thanks to the mnemonic 'spring ahead, fall back'. The headache for me is caused by trying to figure out which of the seasons is which. ############################## "Might not take you six years this time, huh?" Rapp, that ain't very nice to say. Bobert told me it only took him three years! ############################## Years ago a buddy of mine after a lengthy period of wassail grabbed an axe and went after the rooster shouting, "The %$^#&@* sun's not up yet ya stupid &%^ #$ % *^&$%. You are breakfast and ^$%& Colonel Sanders, etc, etc." Funny as all get out to those of us who were still awake and wassailing. To top it off, he couldn't catch up to the rooster. Well, all his shouting got the ducks quacking, geese honking, dogs barking, horses whinnying, hens cluck-clucking, and the rooster kept up his cockadoodledoo-ling. Even some coyotes chipped in. If the cows hadn't been in the east forty, they'd have been mooing away, too. It got noisy enough to wake the half dozen of us to the fact it was pretty nippley outside in just t-shirts, so we moved indoors and over the next half hour or so nodded off to sleep in the living room, variously sprawled on couches, chairs and pieces of floor. By 6:00 am, silence reigned, interrupted only by occasional snores. At approximately 8:00 am we were jarred awake by the most gawd-awful gut-wrenching screeching cacophany of sound y'ever heard. It seemed like all the banshees of Hell had been loosed in the room. Six guys literally left their sleeping positions and jolted up shaking and trembling. There stood 'George' with an electric guitar on treble and a big Marshall amp on full reverb and maximum volume singing Wild Thing. After 30 seconds, he put the guitar away, gave us all a dirty look and went back to sleep. After a few minutes we stopped shaking enough to crack open a few beers, have some smoke(s) and ponder the events of the past few hours. Thirty-six years later, every time the clocks need changing I wonder what finally happened to that rooster. I heard from George a few months back, but I didn't ask. Some things a guy just doesn't want to know. |
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06 Nov 11 - 03:49 AM (#3251187) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: ChanteyLass Commie plot? Don't know. I'm a night owl, so early darkness and late light make me happy. On Saturday when time is going to change I set my clocks for Sunday's time but don't change my watch until bedtime Saturday night. If one adheres to the old spring watch idea that it is better to move a clock or watch ahead than back, it is much easier to set clocks and watches one hour ahead than one hour back. With digital clocks, it is not too bad to set them 11 hours forward, which is really one hour back. With analogs, I just unplug them for an hour (or deactivate my watch's battery). How do I know when the hour is over? Well, I look at my digital clocks or i set a windup kitchen timer! |
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06 Nov 11 - 04:27 AM (#3251199) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: GUEST,999 It's flashing 12:00 on my old VCR, if that helps. |
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06 Nov 11 - 06:24 AM (#3251247) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Richard Bridge I hope it is. We could do with some. |
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06 Nov 11 - 06:27 AM (#3251248) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: MGM·Lion Do with 'Some what', Richard? Daylight; savings; time; commies; or plots? ~M~ |
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06 Nov 11 - 06:36 AM (#3251256) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: AllisonA(Animaterra) I'm with Joe. And I never seem to get that extra hour. I was wide awake for an hour in the middle of the night, then my dear husband woke at his usual hour and wanted to chat. Grrr. |
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06 Nov 11 - 07:16 AM (#3251274) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Richard Bridge Commie plots - preferably successful ones. |
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06 Nov 11 - 07:23 AM (#3251282) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: MGM·Lion What do you call a successful one? ~~ the Russian sub-continent 1917 - 1980s. Oho, highly successful, I'm sure. That why it has survived to this day so successfully. Er... Or the Cuban paradise? Maybe. Well, that's successful in a way, I suppose. Wouldn't you be happier living there,maybe? In general, tho, they haven't been that 'successful', have they? ~M~ |
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06 Nov 11 - 07:59 AM (#3251302) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: GUEST,Eliza It doesn't matter what Time you pick as long as you stay with it and don't keep putting the wretched clocks back and forward. I still haven't adjusted to our clocks going back last week. I wake at MY usual time, only to find it's 5am, not 6am. By 9pm my eyelids are drooping. The evenings are now black as the hakes by 5pm. Horrible! |
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06 Nov 11 - 09:28 AM (#3251339) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Rapparee I picked Sidereal Time for my own personal time years ago. If you don't know, Sidereal time is the hour angle of the vernal equinox, the ascending node of the ecliptic on the celestial equator. The daily motion of this point provides a measure of the rotation of the Earth with respect to the stars, rather than the Sun. Local mean sidereal time is computed from the current Greenwich Mean Sidereal Time plus an input offset in longitude (converted to a sidereal offset by the ratio 1.00273790935 of the mean solar day to the mean sidereal day.) Applying the equation of equinoxes, or nutation of the mean pole of the Earth from mean to true position, yields local apparent sidereal time. Astronomers use local sidereal time because it corresponds to the coordinate right ascension of a celestial body that is presently on the local meridian. I use it because I'm a celestial body. |
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06 Nov 11 - 10:13 AM (#3251353) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Bill D Ahem... may I offer my services? My personal parlor trick is resetting VCRs, digital clocks, microwaves...etc. to the correct time without using a manual. I can come twice a year to adjust all those pesky gadgets to your local time. All I require is transportation, a couple meals and a few songs (from those who can sing). Such a deal! |
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06 Nov 11 - 10:49 AM (#3251378) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: GUEST,999 Sounds like a deal, Bill. Don't understand it myself. It was fine in the department store. Kept perfect time there. Got it home about twenty years ago, plugged it in and it's been flashing like that ever since. Finally had to put tape over it because the flashing was bugging me. I just scraped the tape of and yup, sure enough, it's still flashing 12:00. Otherwise the VHS works OK. |
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06 Nov 11 - 11:20 AM (#3251391) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Amos I believe the driving force behind time standardization was the railroads, who needed it for obvious reasons--they connected all the local zones and couldn't change their schedules for everybackwater's neighborhood opinion. As for DST, I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense. After all, if you want to sleep another hour, why not just get up at 5:30 instead of 4:30? Do the cows care? A |
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06 Nov 11 - 11:35 AM (#3251403) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Little Hawk MtheGM - Hey, I'd be absolutely delighted to live in Cuba...if I had a means of making a living there and the other basic legal and practical arrangements in place there. The weather's nice (with the exception of an occasional hurricane), the people are wonderful, the social life is marvelous, the attitude to life is relaxed and friendly, the elections are honest, and it's altogether a really nice place to be. However, my job, my property, and all my practical and legal basics are presently established in Canada. Therefore, I am glad to live in Canada, because it's a pretty nice place to be too. (except for the winter weather) If all my practical and legal basics were established in France, I'd be happy to be there too. Ditto for Vietnam, Norway, Denmark, Germany, Sweden, Italy, and a variety of other places I can think of. Communism's got nothing to do with it. |
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06 Nov 11 - 11:45 AM (#3251408) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Little Hawk Amos, the cows do care. They are very compassionate creatures. ;-) |
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06 Nov 11 - 11:59 AM (#3251425) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: GUEST,999 If DST had been a commie plots, it would have been dragged before the Senate in the HUAC hearings. |
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06 Nov 11 - 12:09 PM (#3251431) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: BTNG There are parts of North America, where it doesn't matter...the time never changes so we don't have to worry about changing the time on the clocks, twice a year! |
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06 Nov 11 - 12:24 PM (#3251449) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: GUEST,999 "TIME SYSTEM IN SASKATCHEWAN FACT SHEET The provincial government (of Saskatchewan) received requests to adopt Daylight Saving Time, has examined the issue in detail and has decided to retain the current time system established under The Time Act for all of Saskatchewan. This issue is a divisive one with no consensus apparent within the whole province. Saskatchewan is naturally located within the Mountain Standard Time (MST) zone which runs from just west of Winnipeg, Manitoba to just east of Lethbridge, Alberta. Under The Time Act, Saskatchewan adopted Central Standard Time and therefore shares the same time as Alberta during the summer months and the same time as Manitoba during the winter months. Prior to the implementation of The Time Act in 1966, the question of time was the responsibility of municipalities. Under The Cities Act and The Towns Act of the day, bylaws could be passed at any time through the conduct of a plebiscite on the question of observed time. This resulted in a patchwork of time zones in Saskatchewan with communities using Central Standard Time, Mountain Standard Time or Daylight Saving Time as their local time. The Time Act of 1966 was a compromise solution that allowed all of the province to observe Central Standard Time. During the summer months all of Saskatchewan observes Central Standard Time. Only the Battle River (Lloydminster) Time Option area follows Mountain Standard Time during the winter. The rest of the province is on Central Standard Time year round." Lloydminster has a neat history. The History of Lloydminster The Lloydminster area was first settled in April, 1903 with the arrival of the Barr Colonists, approximately 2,600 people from England. The new settlement was named in honour of Rev. Lloyd for his efforts in leading the colonists. Lloydminster is derived from Rev. Lloyd and the word "minster", meaning "mother church". The newly founded hamlet of Lloydminster was located astride the 4th Meridian in the Northwest Territories. When the provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan were created in 1905 and the 4th Meridian selected as the inter-provincial boundary, the Village of Lloydminster was split in two. The Alberta portion of the divided community was incorporated as a Village in Alberta in July, 1906, while the Saskatchewan portion was incorporated as a Town in Saskatchewan in April, 1907. This peculiar situation resulted in the duplication of all municipal functions such as the creation of two separate municipal councils, two municipal offices and two fire departments. Common sense prevailed and the two communities were amalgamated into a single municipality - the Town of Lloydminster, by an Order-in-Council of both provinces on May 20, 1930. On January 1, 1958 the Town of Lloydminster received its charter as the City of Lloydminster and became the 10th City in both provinces." (I know a fellow in Quebec who lives in a house that straddles the Canada-US border. He watches TV in Canada but gets snacks from his fridge in the US. Don't know what will happen to him and his home when Homeland Security builds the wall.) |
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06 Nov 11 - 12:27 PM (#3251454) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: BTNG yup that Saskatchewan for you...I know, I live here LOL |
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06 Nov 11 - 12:45 PM (#3251467) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: McGrath of Harlow you're getting an extra HOUR of sleep Rubbish. They just take it back from you in the spring. It's a bloody silly idea anyway. I think governments do it just do it so that twice a year they can feel important, with everybody doing what they are told, even though it makes absolutely no sense. Here is a world map showing where it's done (th e blue bits)and where it's not done. The encouraging thing is the orange part, showing where they have given up doing it. |
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06 Nov 11 - 01:27 PM (#3251486) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: gnu "...other than kids walking to school..but that is offset in the afternoon..." Not here. Think of the children! >;-) |
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06 Nov 11 - 01:46 PM (#3251498) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Bert I'm with GUEST Eliza on this as I wake up an hour earlier and can't get back to sleep for weeks after they put the clocks back. I think that we should all get the home phone numbers of our representatives and spend that hour every day calling them. And what McGrath says is really the truth of it and it bears repeating. "It's a bloody silly idea anyway. I think governments do it just do it so that twice a year they can feel important, with everybody doing what they are told, even though it makes absolutely no sense." It is really a Bureaucratic Plot. And unrestrained bureaucrats are the biggest threat to modern society. |
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06 Nov 11 - 01:49 PM (#3251502) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Bert And isn't it funny how just by changing the name of something they can get people to agree to it. If they were to come out and say "Everyone has to get up an hour earlier" there would be worldwide protests and the whole idea would die quickly. |
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06 Nov 11 - 02:24 PM (#3251512) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: McGrath of Harlow Where's "here" gnu? Not where moist people live, I think. Maybe up near the Arctic Circle it might make sense. So that's where to keep on doing it. |
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06 Nov 11 - 02:44 PM (#3251526) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Gurney Well, that's Bobert's assertion that DST is a commie plot shot down in flames! One glance at McGrath's map shows that the commies don't do it. I suppose he could mean that they are trying to bring down the western world by making them get up earlier. But they'll have to get up earlier themselves if they want to do that! All DST means to me is that I get an extra hour of sleep in Spring. Sounds silly to say that, but it is the Morning Chorus of birds that wakes me up. |
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06 Nov 11 - 02:47 PM (#3251530) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: GUEST,Arkie All available from the internet for the curious. Here are some shortcuts for the semi-curious who want to avoid the search. Rationale B. Franklin Essay |
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06 Nov 11 - 02:53 PM (#3251534) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: gnu In Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada and in a great percentage of the world, DST optimizes the use of daylight for working, saves energy and also allows children to walk to school more safely. I cannot understand why some people think that such a simple concept which has such benefits is SUCH an inconvenience to them. It's not all about you... is it? Oh, I suppose we could change the time of work and study and whatever to acheive the same results but it's the SAME thing. Suck it up people. It ain't rocket science. If ya wanna change the time ya hafta be at work, go for it... petition the governments so you don't hafta spring back and fall forward. Just remember... it's still gonna be the SAME to acheive the SAME benefits. The ONLY difference is that you don't hafta change yer clocks and that businesses will have to put up new sign's for their hours of operation, change their adds in the yellow pages, change their telephone ansering machines... need I go on? GEEZE OH EH? |
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06 Nov 11 - 03:18 PM (#3251553) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: McGrath of Harlow New Brunswick, gnu? That's way south of us here in England. The same as the middle of France. You must have fiercely early school hours if the kids would be walking to school in the dark if the clocks didn't go back in the autumn. Or they must be walking an awfully long way to go to school. |
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06 Nov 11 - 03:22 PM (#3251556) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: GUEST,999 I'm with you, gnu. Try running a business when yer in St John's and yer customer is in Victoria. And if a place like the UK thinks it has difficulties, imagine living in Russia: "Russia Reduces Number of Time Zones Published 23-Mar-2010. Changed 4-May-2010 Update: Russia will most likely make a final decision on time zone changes in the fall (autumn) of 2010, First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov announced on Friday, April 30, 2010. There are currently three time zones in the Russian Far East, and the presidential envoy to the federal district, Viktor Ishayev, believed that one more should be dropped. Starting Sunday March 28, 2010, Russia will have nine time zones instead of 11. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin recently signed decrees to abolish the time zones of four Russian regions." |
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06 Nov 11 - 05:41 PM (#3251632) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Ed T I suspect North Korea and Cuba are the only true "commie" countries, anymore. Cuba does DST, North Korea does not. So, it's a 50-50 "commie plot", at best. Who does it and who does not |
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06 Nov 11 - 06:29 PM (#3251660) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Joe_F Noncommie comment |
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06 Nov 11 - 06:30 PM (#3251662) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Bert gnu says "I cannot understand why some people think that such a simple concept which has such benefits is SUCH an inconvenience to them." Because it is an even simpler concept to get up and go to bed when you need to or when you want to and not when the Government decides that you should. Then nobody is inconvenienced, and the benefits will be reaped by only those who want them. |
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06 Nov 11 - 06:40 PM (#3251670) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: BTNG oh right it's a government plot now, not a "commie plot" Conspiracy theorists unite you have nothing lose but sleep! |
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06 Nov 11 - 07:50 PM (#3251706) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: gnu Oh come on, read my lips.. or my entire posts? Do you honestly believe that this has been adopted by MANY jurisdictions around the world because they are stupid or want to control you? Unfuckingreal to me. |
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06 Nov 11 - 07:50 PM (#3251707) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: mg Wait...aren't we going off Daylight Idiotic Savings Sure Time instead of going on it? And go on it in the summer? mg |
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06 Nov 11 - 08:02 PM (#3251714) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Ed T So, why are all so neggy on night life? I suspect many of us were conceived outside of daylight hours. ""Night time is the right time, to be with the one you love"" Ray Charles |
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06 Nov 11 - 08:13 PM (#3251719) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Bert ...Wait...aren't we going off Daylight Idiotic Savings Sure Time instead of going on it?... Of course mg. But going ON it isn't a problem. |
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06 Nov 11 - 08:53 PM (#3251736) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: ChanteyLass Has anyone here worked third shift which includes the 2 AM hour at which we are supposed to set clocks back or ahead? I have always wondered if workers get an extra hour of pay in the fall but get docked an hour in the spring. |
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06 Nov 11 - 09:43 PM (#3251750) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Ed T ChanteyLass -I believe it is as you state. |
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07 Nov 11 - 08:41 AM (#3251934) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: GUEST,Patsy Or why not wait until the Christmas break to put the clocks back when most people are at home. All we gain in October is a short time of lighter mornings. In the UK we have had the hottest October on record if we keep on having hot Octobers like this what is the advantage of an extra hour in bed? |
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07 Nov 11 - 09:46 AM (#3251980) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Uncle_DaveO Katlaughing said: My dad, who really wasn't religious, said Standard Time was "God's Time" and good enough for him. Me, too.:-) Kat, Standard Time is neither "God's Time" nor natural time. The establishment of time zones is a creation of government just as much as Daylight Saving Time. "Natural time" or "Sun Time" is smooth, as gradual as the relative position of the sun. If there are four cities, let's say in a straight line east and west, even if they were fairly close to each other the natural or sun time will be different in each. Time zones were created (by government) largely to facilitate the building of the transcontinental railroads. You couldn't run the railroads efficiently or safely when every point on a railroad had a separate time of its own; there had to be a standard time structure in order to organize the scheduling of train traffic. Daylight Saving Time is no more artificial nor governmental than Standard Time. Dave Oesterreich |
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07 Nov 11 - 09:46 AM (#3251981) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Jim Dixon ChanteyLass and Ed T: I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "docked." Ordinarily (I think) "docked" means reduced pay, not reduced hours. If you're implying workers work 8 hours but only get paid for 7 (which is what I thought you meant at first), I'm sure you're wrong. But (as I finally realized after pondering this problem for a long time) that's probably not what you meant. My guess is, in the spring, when DST begins, one shift works for 7 hours, and in the fall, they work 9 hours. There might be other, more complicated ways of managing the change. You might have 3 shifts in a row each work 7 hours and 40 minutes in the spring, and 8 hours and 20 minutes in the fall, which would be safer and more fair, in my opinion. But regardless, each worker should get paid for the actual number of hours he/she works. |
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07 Nov 11 - 12:31 PM (#3252127) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: GUEST,Eliza We all have a 'Body Clock', and to try and trick it is a dodgy business. I'm always awake and up early, 6am, need a nice nap mid-afternoon, and go to bed early, 10pm say. When travelling I can doze off if it's my usual sleep time, even leaning against an airport wall in a queue! But trying to keep awake until 1am to board a cheap flight I feel dizzy, shivery and ill. I honestly can't see the point nowadays of changing the clocks twice a year. What is it FOR? |
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07 Nov 11 - 02:40 PM (#3252267) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Ed T If it's your shift when DST starts, you either work an hour less or more. But, of course they get paid ;) |
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07 Nov 11 - 03:04 PM (#3252287) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Genie DK if DST is a commie plot, but at least now that we're actually on Standard Time, when people and the media, etc., keep announcing that something happened or will happen at such-and-such o'clock "EST" or "CST" or "PST," etc., they'll be right. When DST is in effect, they really mean "EDT," CDT," "PDT," etc. DK why even the professional media can't seem to grasp the correct terminology. (How could "PST" stand for "Pacific Daylight Time" or "CST" stand for "Central Daylight Time?" |
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07 Nov 11 - 04:05 PM (#3252334) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: McGrath of Harlow Time zones make sense. Shuffling the clocks back and forth doesn't, except possibly in far north and far south latitudes. |
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07 Nov 11 - 04:15 PM (#3252342) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: GUEST,999 This thread was off the rails at post one. EST--Eastern Socialist Time CST--Central Socialist Time PST--Pacific Socialist Time Nothin' to do with those damned commies. |
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07 Nov 11 - 05:20 PM (#3252393) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: saulgoldie When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the bottom, and have a longer blanket." Saul |
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07 Nov 11 - 05:31 PM (#3252400) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: BTNG all this fuss over nothing LOL |
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07 Nov 11 - 06:18 PM (#3252431) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Ed T ""Benjamin Franklin conceived of it. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle endorsed it. Winston Churchill campaigned for it. Kaiser Wilhelm first employed it. Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt went to war with it, and the United States fought an energy crisis with it"". Definitive Book on Daylight Saving Time |
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07 Nov 11 - 06:24 PM (#3252436) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Ed T Light Verse It's just five, but it's light like six. It's lighter than we think. Mind and day are out of sync. The dog is restless. The dog's owner is sleeping and dreaming of Elvis. The treetops should be dark purple, but they're pink. Here and now. Here and now. The sun shakes off an hour. The sun assumes its pre-calendrical power. (It is, though, only what we make it seem.) Now in the dog-owner's dream, the dog replaces Elvis and grows bigger than that big tower in Singapore, and keeps on growing until he arrives at a size with which only the planets can empathize. He sprints down the ecliptic's plane, chased by his owner Jane (that's not really her name), who yells at him to come back and synchronize. — VIJAY SESHADRI, author of "The Long Meadow" |
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07 Nov 11 - 06:37 PM (#3252444) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Bill D "Time zones make sense. Shuffling the clocks back and forth doesn't, except possibly in far north and far south latitudes. " If it makes sense for a majority, it makes sense for everyone to comply. We have not only railroad timetables, but radio & TV broadcasts and airline schedules. Having a different basic time for Maine than California makes sense because they are 3+ hours apart, but it would NOT make sense for Maine & Florida in the same basic longitude to have different times. The fewer complexities the better. Think about it... people on the Eastern edge of a time zone already see a significant difference in sunrise/sunset than those on the Western edge. If North/South were added in, it would be crazy. It is my opinion that the ONLY real effect the change is, is the suddenness of it. If all our clocks & computers, etc. were automatically changed by a few minutes a day as the seasons change, we'd barely notice. Farmers would still do certain tasks according to the light, but the 'time' they did would gradually change. In Dec./Jan. some kids would be walking to school or waiting for a bus in the dark if we made DST year 'round, and in the Summer, vacation activities would be curtailed unnecessarily if no changes were made. DST does make sense....perhaps more for some than for others, but in a global society, we need a coherent, orderly system. |
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07 Nov 11 - 06:44 PM (#3252453) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: gnu Yes, Bill D but some disagree just to disagree, so it seems. Others seem to chime in on such diasagreement without saying they haven't read the thread. BTW, for those posters, it's obvious eh? NNWW. |
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07 Nov 11 - 10:48 PM (#3252558) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: ChanteyLass Thank you for the opinions on the question I raised about pay to third shift workers who work when the time changes. |
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08 Nov 11 - 02:01 AM (#3252605) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Gurney Uncle Dave, I thought that standardisation of time zones was for navigational purposes? Specifically, navigation by the Royal Navy? I may be wrong, of course. |
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08 Nov 11 - 09:44 AM (#3252799) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: BTNG Sir Stanford Fleming Inventor of worldwide standard time After missing a train in 1876 in Ireland because its printed schedule listed p.m. instead of a.m., he proposed a single 24-hour clock for the entire world, located at the centre of the Earth and not linked to any surface meridian. At a meeting of the Royal Canadian Institute on February 8, 1879 he linked it to the anti-meridian of Greenwich (now 180°). He suggested that standard time zones could be used locally, but they were subordinate to his single world time, which he called Cosmic Time. He continued to promote his system at major international conferences[4] including the International Meridian Conference of 1884. That conference accepted a different version of Universal Time, but refused to accept his zones, stating that they were a local issue outside its purview. Nevertheless, by 1929 all of the major countries of the world had accepted time zones. |
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08 Nov 11 - 11:23 AM (#3252860) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Ed T Offset time zones time zone map |
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08 Nov 11 - 11:27 AM (#3252865) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Ed T The International Space Station uses UTC/GMT. facts about time |
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08 Nov 11 - 04:58 PM (#3253068) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: gnu Said it before.... the real time is Stardate -311145.8977042112. |
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08 Nov 11 - 05:19 PM (#3253085) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: BTNG right |
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08 Nov 11 - 07:05 PM (#3253161) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: Bert saulgoldie, That sums it up precisely. That would make gnu - ugn. |
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08 Nov 11 - 07:17 PM (#3253165) Subject: RE: BS: Is Daylight's Savings Time a Commie Plot From: BTNG a rose by any other name |
