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01 Dec 11 - 08:35 AM (#3266644) Subject: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Tunesmith British TV presenter Jeremy Clarkson ( I think he's known in the States, too) may have opened his big mouth once too often. On tv yesterday, he suggested that all the public sector workers who went on strike should be shot! What an idiot! I imagine every person in the country knows somebody who works in the public sector. And, of course, Clarkson - who's probably a millionaire - hasn't got to worry about the government protecting his pension. |
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01 Dec 11 - 08:49 AM (#3266653) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Richard Bridge Clarkson is an unpleasant bully with a large landed estate across which he has tried to extinguish rights of way to keep peasants out. A telegraph writer, one Delingpole, has tried to defend Clarkson, but I have messaged Delingpole from his website: - ""Your defence of Clarkson is a disgrace. For decades people like you said "Can't women take a joke?" "Can't Jews take a joke?" "Can't negroes take a joke?" Some joke. A little time watching any of Clarkson's TV appearances (or indeed a tiny bit of research into his landed estate and the rights of way on it) will demonstrate that the man is a self-important bully. It is time that toadying to such bullies stopped." |
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01 Dec 11 - 08:53 AM (#3266656) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: theleveller I've complained to the Beeb. Doubt if they'll do anything, though. |
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01 Dec 11 - 09:07 AM (#3266662) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Clarkson is hopefully digging his own showbiz grave. He is so conceited and smugly full of shit he has completely lost touch with what is appropriate 'humour' for early evening mass TV light family entertainment and what is best kept in reserve for private late night drinking sessions with his boorish rabid far right mates. |
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01 Dec 11 - 09:31 AM (#3266672) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Peter K (Fionn) I can't think of anyone more repulsive than Clarkson, but this time I think he was attempting a joke that misfired. Just before the offending diatribe he had said he was grateful to those on strike because their actions had kept the roads clear. He then said that as he was on the BBC he ought to be impartial - and launched into his diatribe in what I took to be a facetious gesture towards "balance." That said, I would be happy to be proved wrong, and even if I'm right I would be happy if the episode put paid to Clarkson's career, which is of course mostly public-service funded. For David Cameron it makes a second bosom buddy and near neighbour persona non grata (Rebekah Brooks being the first). As the political commentator Paul Waugh tweeted, at this rate he'll be able to host his Christmas party in a phone booth. |
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01 Dec 11 - 09:42 AM (#3266678) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: VirginiaTam the other night on The One Show, when the hosts were talking about ridiculous train fares, all he could offer to the shocked howst and other guests was a complaint that someone always throwing themselves in front of the train to Redditch and why does the driver have to stop. They can't help the person they struck so they might as well drive on and keep the train on schedule. He keeps racking these comments up and eventually he won't be welcome on any show. |
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01 Dec 11 - 09:46 AM (#3266683) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: G-Force He's not an idiot, he's a successful entertainer posing as an idiot and appealing to many people (including idiots, no doubt). I thought it was a nice bit of irony/satire, although rather crudely done. It was worth it, though, for the look on Alex Jones' face. |
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01 Dec 11 - 10:02 AM (#3266691) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,Shining Wit He's right up the arse of Rebekah Brooks and Cameron, so he's probably reflecting the views of a certain section of society. Boorish rich tory gits. |
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01 Dec 11 - 10:13 AM (#3266699) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Musket And judging by these posts, Clarkson has met his objective.... He reserves his real disdain for those who take him seriously. Mind you, yes he is a bully, he is boorish and he is very entertaining. The trick is to enjoy him rather than try to understand a parody that doesn't exist. I watch Top Gear, read his columns and enjoy his many attempt to provoke outrage. Doesn't mean I have to agree with either the person or his alter ego, but by putting the boorish persona forward, he allows people to either laugh with him or at him. I don't think he worries which as long as they laugh. |
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01 Dec 11 - 10:15 AM (#3266701) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: VirginiaTam Clarkson Island |
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01 Dec 11 - 10:20 AM (#3266705) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Peter K (Fionn) Ian, i can see that Clarkson is tiresome, tedious, puerile etc, but entertaining? The trick surely is to pressure the BBC to stop funding his self-indulgent crap. |
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01 Dec 11 - 10:27 AM (#3266709) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Musket No, as TV licence payer, I would suggest the BBC fund him even further. After all, the money The BBC makes out of Top Gear helps keep the licence fee low. It is the best selling product they have, screened in God knows how many countries and the merchandise rights have the commercial stations green at the gills with envy. Top Gear is the most watched regular TV series on the planet, and The BBC rake it in. That's the thing about Clarkson's self indulgent crap, it pays for less entertaining self indulgent crap. Sorry Peter, but I doubt The BBC are funding Clarkson, it would appear he is funding them to an extent... |
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01 Dec 11 - 10:36 AM (#3266711) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,Eliza After Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand's hideous remarks on TV some time ago, and the furore which followed, Clarkson no doubt, like them, will continue his merry way. There are several 'comedians' who insult and outrage the public, and nothing is ever done to rein them in. What amazes me is that people watch their shows and are enchanted by them. They're all just silly overgrown schoolboys trying to shock and thinking it's funny. It isn't, but we don't have to watch them. The Beeb's spending is justified if thousands enjoy their 'wit', and apparently they do. |
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01 Dec 11 - 10:47 AM (#3266713) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,Patsy He is an overgrown spoilt brat that has been allowed to get away with his self indulgent crap for far too long. In the beginning he did present Top Gear really well and kept me entertained even though I couldn't careless about the performance of various cars he had skill of presenting that kept me interested and watching the program. Now he even tries to sabotage QI next time he does I hope Stephen Fry has a custard pie at the ready. |
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01 Dec 11 - 11:13 AM (#3266730) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Musket Sorry Eliza, I can't see the connection between James May and Jeremy Clarkson discussing the merits of one car versus another and Jonathan Ross & Russell Brand upsetting an old man by saying things about his Grand Daughter? Yes, there are people making a living out of saying nasty things about people but not in my wildest dreams do I for one make connections saying that if you are on the BBC to be funny you are to be compared with others doing the same? Being funny is subjective. I laugh when Clarkson says something outrageous but if that makes me an overgrown schoolboy, then bring on the catapult and conkers... It is funny by the way, a lot of it is very funny. Your saying it isn't funny doesn't make it not funny. See? Humour is at somebody's expense. That is what humour is, whether vicious disgusting humour or light hearted observation, it's all funny to someone. When we rein in comedians, why stop there? Rein in folk singers who insult the millions who don't vote Labour? Rein in anybody who has their coffee black rather than "no milk?" Rein in anybody who says things you disagree with? Ironically, not even Clarkson's alter ego calls for that.... |
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01 Dec 11 - 11:32 AM (#3266739) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,Black belt caterpillar wrestler So, you sign up to a deal where you take a reduced wage because you are promised that your employer will put some money aside for you to have as a pension when you retire. Then your employer takes that money and spends it on something else. Then your employer tells you that you won't be getting so much pension after all, you will have to work for longer and he wants you to pay some more in for the rest of the time that you are working. You get a bit upset and go on strike. The Clarkson says that! |
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01 Dec 11 - 11:36 AM (#3266744) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Richard Bridge It's pretty obvious - a fair bit of what Clarkson does is offensive bullying. What Ross and that other sociopath did was offensive bullying. Simple enough, Mither? |
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01 Dec 11 - 01:45 PM (#3266810) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,Eliza Ian, I was not comparing Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand's remarks with Jeremy Clarkson and James May on Top Gear at all. I was comparing them with his LATEST remarks about shooting protesters, and mocking people who commit suicide under trains (remarks which at least the BBC saw fit to expunge) If vicious and repulsive remarks are 'funny to someone' (and I don't need the 'see?' thank you very much) I assume you feel it is perfectly acceptable to air them. I don't. |
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01 Dec 11 - 01:45 PM (#3266811) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: melodeonboy Whether it makes money or not, I'm proud that we have such an instution as the BBC, and happy to pay the licence fee, but I object to it being devalued by twats like Ross and Brand, and particularly Clarkson, who must be the vilest man I've ever seen on the box. Wouldn't they all be better suited to one of Murdoch's grot channels? You know, horses for courses and all that! As for Cameron having chums like Wade and Clarkson, what does that tell you? |
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01 Dec 11 - 02:35 PM (#3266849) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST I did not see the whole show as I was prompted by his remarks about the strike to switch over. I understand though that he became even more offensive later in the show having been reported as saying: "I do sometimes use the train to come to London but it always stops in Reading. It's always because somebody has jumped in front of it and somebody has burst." "You just think, why have we stopped because we've hit somebody? What's the point of stopping? It won't make them better." Frankly, words fail me. Rog |
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01 Dec 11 - 03:37 PM (#3266902) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Peter K (Fionn) Top Gear is the most watched regular TV series on the planet Really, Ian? If you're trying to do a Clarkson, you need to try a bit harder than that. But I expect you're still chuckling at the one about trains not stopping when they hit people - you not having had any suicides among your friends and relatives presumably? |
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01 Dec 11 - 03:47 PM (#3266909) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: akenaton Well thereyeare!! Ian. I am in full agreement with your views on this subject. Sorry about that, but its a cross which you must bear with fortitude. It wont happen again....I promise! |
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01 Dec 11 - 03:56 PM (#3266919) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Paul Burke Didn't some young unknowns get put in jail for publicly advocating violence recently, even though their views got practically zero publicity? |
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01 Dec 11 - 03:57 PM (#3266921) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: paula t He never surprises does he? Think of the most ridiculous, right wing answer to any question........and he delivers it! How reliable he is. |
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01 Dec 11 - 04:02 PM (#3266923) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: John MacKenzie Oh dear, sense of humour failures or what. You first mistake was taking that clown Clarkson seriously. Ignore him, just be grown up about it, and ignore him. All he wants is attention, and you're giving it to him. Send him to sit on the naughty step FFS. |
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01 Dec 11 - 04:10 PM (#3266925) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Jim Dixon I didn't recognize who Jeremy Clarkson was until I looked him up on Wikipedia. Now I know he's on "Top Gear" which is shown on BBC America, which is carried by my local cable provider. I've seen maybe 10 minutes of that show out of many years it's been on. I don't know where to find any statistics about how many Americans watch BBC America, but I'd bet most Americans have never heard of Clarkson. He sounds about as appealing as Gordon Ramsey—the other big star of BBC America. By the way, I read that BBC America is not funded in any way by UK license fees. BBC America carries advertising. |
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01 Dec 11 - 04:19 PM (#3266930) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: autolycus What he said was the kind of thing the Beeb was very fearful Nick griffin might make on Question Time. Clarkson is not a comedian or clown. He's a presenter. One cannot say just anything under the guise of 'joking'. That's just a cheap getout from talking responsibly. 30+ years ago, people like Clarkson wouldn't have got near a mike. His gain is our loss in decency replaced by vileness, and hate disguised as 'only joking'. I bet those supporting him have some sort of half-decent standards in their work and their areas of expertise. Is nothing too terrible to get on the Beeb. Things like this make defending the Beeb so much harder. |
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01 Dec 11 - 04:30 PM (#3266938) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: McGrath of Harlow I'm inclined to think that his comment made a lot of people feel more sympathetic to the strikers. |
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01 Dec 11 - 04:53 PM (#3266953) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Gurney Jeremy Clarkson talks a lot of sense. Well, from a point of view, anyway, and quite a lot of people share his point of view, or alternatively laugh at it. He points out that he is puzzled why anyone should take him seriously. Her Indoors just cracked up laughing at many of the posts on this thread. "Don't they have a sense of humour?" If anyone finds him a bully, they must be seriously timid. Fancy being too scared to turn off the TV! And for those who want to stop him doing a typical 'Clarkson,' that is bullying behaviour too, but they will never see it. I believe in freedom of speech, up to a point, and JC hasn't come anywhere near that point. My personal point of view corresponds pretty well with John MacKenzie's just above. |
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01 Dec 11 - 05:25 PM (#3266969) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: McGrath of Harlow Jeremy Clarkson talks a lot of sense. Well, he does talk an awful lot, and even a stopped clock is correct twice a day. |
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01 Dec 11 - 06:03 PM (#3266983) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Dave the Gnome Did anyone see or has anyone reported the context? I am not excusing the comments but I think the media is playing fast and loose with the public yet again. I only caught the lead up once but it was something like Clarkson saying how much better London was with everyone being on strike. Then , with a reference to being fair to both sides he made the stupid comments as an opposite to his prior 'support' of the strike. It was exeedingly obvious both sets of comments were tongue in cheek and anyone believing he meant either needs their bumps feeling! Having said that - He should have known, and probably did, what effect the remarks would have. Cheers DtG |
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01 Dec 11 - 06:53 PM (#3266998) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Lox . Clarkson? ....... Satire? ...... This is Satire!! . |
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01 Dec 11 - 07:38 PM (#3267023) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: paula t Stopped the papers from focussing on George Osborne's horrendous announcement yesterday though didn't it? Hmm.... |
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01 Dec 11 - 07:44 PM (#3267024) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: ChrisJBrady JC is a thoroughly nasty arrogant ar$ehole. "In November 2004 Clarkson took a Land Rover up a trackless Scottish hillside, churning up fragile peat bogs and heather, causing much concern amongst environmental groups. The Mountaineering Council of Scotland said that the stunt was irresponsible and likely to encourage similar destructive behaviour on other private estates. The council's president, John Mackenzie, the Earl of Cromartie said "The virgin land Clarkson has chewed up will now take hundreds of years to be regenerated. There's no excuse for this, no matter how good the Land Rover might have been. This sets a precedent and it is going to encourage even less disciplined individuals to act irresponsibly'." (Guardian 16 November 2004)." In July 2005 Clarkson continued his anti-cyclist theme writing that he would run any cyclist down he saw going though a red light 'for fun' and also warning cyclists to ensure they did not stop in front of him at traffic lights either as he would "set off at normal speed and you will be crushed under my wheels." http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/jeremy-clarkson/other-clarkson-controversies.html I remember a few years ago he said that all motorcyclists should be decapitated with a wire across the road. "Clarkson has gained a lot of notoriety in the biking world for his comments on motorcycling, such as "I'm not scared of bikers. If they crash into my car, they crumple and I go home" and "One day I will silence them by stretching a piece of cheese wire across the road"." http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2008/October/13-19/oct1308-clarkson-caught-on-scooter/ "Despite his love of fast cars Clarkson has little time for motorcyclists. In a 'Times' column in 2004 he wrote of how much he hated noisy motorcycles saying "One day I will silence them by stretching a piece of cheese wire across the road". Clarkson made similar comments during a Top Gear programme broadcast on 7 August 2005, this time saying that those with noisy motorbikes should be "shot in the face"." http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/jeremy-clarkson/other-clarkson-controversies.html Unfortunately one night some idiot did just that - he strung a wire across Arundel Road in Kemp Town, Brighton, near where we used to live. As it happened a motorcyclist did come down the road early in the morning, ran into the wire, and yet with luck didn't decapitate himself. But he did end up in hospital with a severe cut across the chest (his leathers saved him) and with serious head injuries from falling off his bike at speed. ==== I also remember a few years ago another ar$ehole Billy Connolly made a joke about Brit. kidnap victim Ken Bigley in Iraq. http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Kenneth_Bigley "In October 2004, during an 18-night stint at London's Hammersmith Apollo, the Scottish comedian and actor Billy Connolly was criticised for making jokes about the hostage Bigley. Shortly after Connolly joked about the future killing of the hostage and touched on the subject of Bigley's young Thai wife, Bigley was beheaded in Iraq. Connolly claims he was misquoted. He has declined to clarify what he actually said, claiming that the context was as important as the precise words used. Connolly's routine has since been defended as an attack on the prurient media coverage of the incident, rather than a tasteless comment at the expense of the Bigleys." Actually the Beeb broadcast the routine during which Connolly remarked something to the effect that "the negotiations for Bigley's release had gone on long enough and if they were going to behead the guy then they had better do it soon." The next day he was indeed beheaded. ==== Nice people - NOT ... |
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01 Dec 11 - 08:55 PM (#3267049) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Big Al Whittle No doubt if the BBC marketted pornography and public executions it would raise a few quid. But Clarkson is such a plonker that he is doing England's image no good at all. Irretrievable harm, I should have thought. As a columnist, he is funny. I find him distressing as a TV personality. Not because of anything he says. Its just that you know 14 year old boys are watching this and are thinking that boorishness, sexism, and insulting behaviour are tied up with being a grown up. Go the sump classes of any comp in the land, and you'll find kids getting JC's Christmas video in their stocking on Xmas day. He's a really bad example of how to behave and how to talk to your fellow man. He's bad news. |
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01 Dec 11 - 09:17 PM (#3267056) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: michaelr He sounds like the UK's version of Glenn Beck. Let's hope he goes the same way! |
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01 Dec 11 - 10:37 PM (#3267075) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Peter K (Fionn) I'll settle for Tony Parson's description, quoted in one of CJB's links above: "Jim Davidson with a driving licence." But can there be any incident that shows Clarkson more clearly than this one for the crass pillock he is? It was for just such glorious moments that the Germans invented that word schadenfreude. |
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01 Dec 11 - 10:39 PM (#3267077) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Peter K (Fionn) Sorry, should have said Parsons'... |
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02 Dec 11 - 02:44 AM (#3267145) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Fossil Don't like Jezza? Don't bloody watch him then. That is why your TV remote has an power button. |
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02 Dec 11 - 02:47 AM (#3267147) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Big Al Whittle Hard to avoid yesterday...! |
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02 Dec 11 - 03:05 AM (#3267153) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Dave Hanson He brings shame on his native Yorkshire, glad he no longer lives here. Dave H |
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02 Dec 11 - 04:38 AM (#3267172) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: melodeonboy "Its just that you know 14 year old boys are watching this and are thinking that boorishness, sexism, and insulting behaviour are tied up with being a grown up." Exactly! A very important point, Alan. Something that the people who say "Just turn him off then if you don't like it" don't consider. |
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02 Dec 11 - 05:42 AM (#3267185) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: WalkaboutsVerse Jeremy Clarkson should, instead, aim at the revolting inequality and grossly unfair competition that free-markets produce. My brief Sage Gatesead/Radio 3 talk "Cut Capitalism" - http://davidfranks.blogspot.com/2010/11/ne-england-gig-06112010.html |
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02 Dec 11 - 06:37 AM (#3267203) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,Shining Wit "When we rein in comedians, why stop there?" Clarkson isn't a comedian - where has this come from? It's not the first time I've heard it. He's a journalist (supposedly) and broadcaster and although he can be witty in his own way he's about as far from being a comedian as it's possible to be. The funniest thing about Clarkson is the two sycophantic oiks-posing-as-middle-class-blokes that hang around with him. Those two are really crap. |
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02 Dec 11 - 07:45 AM (#3267222) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: theleveller Sign this petition to get rid of the twat http://www.change.org/petitions/bbc-sack-jeremy-clarkson |
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02 Dec 11 - 09:29 AM (#3267260) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,Mike Rogers I'll sign a petition to keep him if I can find one. Clarkson must be laughing himself silly at all the self righteous clods who have seemingly suffered a mass humour by-pass. Save your indignation for the bastards who speak in the Houses of Parliament every week and who cause REAL offence. |
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02 Dec 11 - 09:39 AM (#3267267) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Tunesmith Is Cameron one of those bastards in the Houses of Parliment? Well, he's a very good friend of the obnoxious Jeremy Clarkson, and you know what they say about judging a person by the company he keeps! |
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02 Dec 11 - 10:01 AM (#3267280) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Big Al Whittle suffered a mass humour by-pass what would you regard as serious - an expressed wish to see all the Jews shot, all the postmen, all the folksingers, allthe black people , all the muslims. all the children under the age of six, everyone over five foot ten, all the royal family.......? If you sack him, he'll be back, like Brand was. Can't see the point of a petition. He's too well in. |
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02 Dec 11 - 10:04 AM (#3267285) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: theleveller "Save your indignation for the bastards who speak in the Houses of Parliament every week and who cause REAL offence." Oh, believe me, there's plenty to go round all the bastards - in or out of Parliament. |
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02 Dec 11 - 11:06 AM (#3267310) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,Mike Rogers Is Cameron one of those bastards in the Houses of Parliment? asks Tunesmith. Yes in my view, as are most of the other inhabitants. Actually I doubt that Cameron is too pleased with Clarkson who at a stroke increased sympathy for the strikers. But Just Call Me Dave keeps some lovely company over at Chipping Norton. Clarkson will no doubt enjoy huge sales of his latest book. I don't like the guy as it happens and would struggle to spend more than a couple of minutes in his company without wanting to punch him. Meanwhile the world is on the verge of complete financial meltdown, the NHS is about to be destroyed and a volcano may catastrophically erupt. I've more things to get blathered about than a few ill-chosen words of a buffoon. |
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02 Dec 11 - 11:55 AM (#3267330) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: grumpy al Isn't it a shame that so many people find it necessary to comment on a purile, moronic imbecile like clarkson! is he really worth it? |
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02 Dec 11 - 12:06 PM (#3267337) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,me The utterances of Clarkson are the equivalent of the other hand clapping. |
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02 Dec 11 - 12:07 PM (#3267339) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker ..and a substantial number of Clarkson's mass of unenlightened reactionary defenders would probably just as well have stood up for Lord Haw-Haw as being the ultimate ironic cheeky satirist comedian !!!!??? |
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02 Dec 11 - 12:08 PM (#3267340) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Big Al Whittle You're being very harsh in your rush to judgement of a very great man, Mike. A very great man, a wit and a wonderful driver. Personally I think Jeremy Clarkson is a saint, and he has been very unfairly picked upon. In fact I am going out tonight to shoot some people and show my solidarity. I urge you all to do the same. |
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02 Dec 11 - 02:57 PM (#3267424) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Gurney Now, THAT is satire. |
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02 Dec 11 - 03:06 PM (#3267428) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: goatfell he's a numpty |
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02 Dec 11 - 06:28 PM (#3267533) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Peter K (Fionn) Sorry to digress, but I hope punkfolkrocker is not meaning to suggest Lord Haw Haw (William Joyce) deserved to be hanged? |
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03 Dec 11 - 05:52 AM (#3267731) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: autolycus What got omited fromthe coverage quite quickly is that moments later he was saying if a train driver ran over a person, he shouldn't stop, for two reasons. First, he wouldn't be able to do anything for them; and second, it would mean the train schedules being mucked up. The point is not that commenting on him is or isn't worth it [beside the point], but that national TV media are endangering themselves and the tone of society but letting such stuff go uchallenged. For a clear example of the consequences of not challenging, see the noel Gentlemen's Agreement" by Laura Hobson. The book is clearer on this than the film. In that, she was saying while random casual anti-semitic remarks go unchallenged, then they take on the respectability of normality and social acceptability. |
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03 Dec 11 - 07:15 AM (#3267760) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: autolycus For "noel" [sic], read "novel". |
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03 Dec 11 - 09:02 AM (#3267799) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: John MacKenzie Even numpties need a spokesperson! |
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03 Dec 11 - 03:40 PM (#3267970) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Brian May Anyone who takes J Clarkson seriously should be taken outside and shot! I find him delightfully non-PC in a world full of jobsworths that live in fear of saying what they really think and upsetting someone. |
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03 Dec 11 - 04:48 PM (#3268004) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Little Hawk I'd never heard of Jeremy Clarkson before reading this thread, but I suggest that he and Chongo Chimp battle each other in a "steel cage" match to boost the ratings of the BBC and raise the general standards of UK public affairs broadcasting. It could be staged at the Royal Albert Hall for maximum effect, ticket prices starting at a prestigious $3,000 apiece (or the equivalent in Pounds Sterling). Chongo says that he is willing to do it for a mere 30% share of the ticket sales. "I'll rip his head off," he said cheerfully. |
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03 Dec 11 - 07:59 PM (#3268085) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Big Al Whittle Jeremy Clarkson is a columnist for a broadsheet newspaper. He is a programme presenter for the most prestigious broadcasting service in the world. Theres jolly irreverence and sly unconventional humour, and then there's Jeremy Clarkson. This is a man who seriously believes that global warming doesn't matter. He believes that because he is posh, he can abuse someone like John Prescott - a politician dependant on the public vote - for no better reason than Prescott's fat and he is Labour politician. Clarkson abuses his power, and influences lots of other people to believe that global warming doesn't matter and that its allright to be as rude as you feel like to overweight people. In short Clarkson's values are those of a complete turd, and everyday you can see his influence on the less intellectually gifted amongst the mudcatters. Yes I take him seriously. I never watch him. But I know the bastards there - because I see and hear his influence all around me. Let Clarkson exercise his sparkling wit on the new Ford Focus or whatever. Its what he's been entrusted with. Let him stick to the job in hand. |
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03 Dec 11 - 10:45 PM (#3268126) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Gurney He is irritated by noisy motorbikes, caravans/trailers, roadworks that last too long, bus-lanes and cycle-lanes, Morris Marinas, men with beards, political correctness, Greens, Communists, and Nuneaton. He isn't posh. Bloody Hell, he comes from Doncaster! I come from Nuneaton, I have a beard, and I once owned a Marina. I also have an irreverent sense of humour, so I am amused rather than outraged by J.C., so according to Big Al, I must be among the less intellectually gifted. Sad. But I've never organised a petition to get someone fired from their job. |
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03 Dec 11 - 11:26 PM (#3268140) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Little Hawk Chongo is willing to fight him and pulverize him "real good" if the money is good, and I take it that that will not be a problem. It has to be promoted properly to make the most of it, though. I'm thinking we could bill it as "The Sock-Up in Soho" or something along that line. Anyone else got any good ideas for that? Thinking about it...a LOT of perfectly reasonable people are irritated by noisy motorbikes, caravans/trailers, roadworks that last too long, jetskis, men with beards, political correctness, global warming fanatics, etc. I absolutely can't abide men with beards!!! I think they should all be defenestrated, shot with spitballs, and hung upsidedown over active volcanic calderas! I have no idea about Nuneaton. Is it a convent or something? (and I am joking) |
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03 Dec 11 - 11:44 PM (#3268146) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Gurney Was once, L.H. Nun's Eaton, so I learned at school. Now a town of 78000 souls. I haven't lived there, or in England at all, since 1974, but we still get Top Gear on T.V. |
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04 Dec 11 - 04:50 AM (#3268194) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,Shimrod I suspect that Clarkson had some long, earnest discussions with his PR people before making his remark about shooting strikers. "Right, Jeremy, you've got a book out but the new series of 'Top Gear' is not on until next year - we think you need to raise your on-air profile in the interim ..." |
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04 Dec 11 - 06:41 AM (#3268218) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Big Al Whittle Probably right Shimrod! Don't like the bugger though. |
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04 Dec 11 - 06:54 AM (#3268221) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Micca I am astounded that we have devoted so much time and space to this idiot!! but am of the opinion that I don't have to be a proctologist to know an arsehole when I see one. |
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04 Dec 11 - 07:11 AM (#3268223) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Dave the Gnome And to add my non-PC bit (it's Micca;s fault - he reminded me) What do you vall a Jamaican Proctologist? Pokémon :D tG |
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04 Dec 11 - 07:52 AM (#3268233) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: banjoman Clarkson - the only man alive who confuses his own opinion with fact |
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04 Dec 11 - 08:03 AM (#3268236) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: ossonflags Here is the responce i got from the BBC: Dear Audience Member, Thank you for contacting us about The One Show. As has now been widely reported, we have had many complaints about a number of Jeremy Clarkson's comments on the show. The One Show is a live topical programme which often reflects the day's talking points. Usually we get it right, but on this occasion we feel the item wasn't perfectly judged. The presenters apologised at the end of the programme to viewers who were offended by his comments and the BBC and Jeremy would like to apologise for any offence caused. Jeremy has said: "I didn't for a moment intend these remarks to be taken seriously – as I believe is clear if they're seen in context. If the BBC and I have caused any offence, I'm quite happy to apologise for it alongside them." We have now published this response publicly on our complaints website, reported the feedback widely across the BBC and discussed the matter with the production team. We are sorry that you were offended and fully acknowledge your complaint about this. The reaction we receive does inform our editorial discussions and we do value it. We need to ensure we use your licence fee as efficiently as possible in replying to everyone who has complained and so this response is being sent to everyone who has contacted us about it. You can read further information at www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/content/handle-complaint/#faqs about the complaints process and how we respond to issues raised in the feedback we receive. Thank you for contacting us. BBC Audience Services www.bbc.co.uk/complaints |
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04 Dec 11 - 10:02 AM (#3268275) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: The Sandman yes, I didnt get the impression he was serious, i think he enjoys being comtroversial and enjoys the publicity, i dont like him but he is not an idiot , in fact he is clever |
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04 Dec 11 - 10:48 AM (#3268288) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: akenaton I agree.....the "soft left" have always taken themselves much too seriously. We should get the Pythons to visit every "liberal" and remind them that they are "not the Messiah",but are "very naughty boys".......writing to the BBC indeed!! |
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04 Dec 11 - 10:58 AM (#3268296) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Little Hawk Is writing in protest to the BBC really enough? Why not gather in torch-waving mobs of "the grievously offended" and assault the offices of the BBC like the Parisien mob assaulting the Bastille? Drag Jeremy Clarkson out and hang him from a lampost whilst singing "We Shall Overcome".... ;-D A little more excitement is just what London needs right now! |
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04 Dec 11 - 11:19 AM (#3268312) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: akenaton :0).....nice one G. |
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04 Dec 11 - 11:57 AM (#3268320) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,Shimrod Personally, I find The One Show a bit offensive because it's so bland and celebrity obsessed. Matt whotsit and Alex Jones are just boring, tedious cyphers (although she could probably have me if she played her cards right). And let's face it Jeremy Clarkson is preferable to Giles Brandreth and that beardy, chefy tw*t any day! |
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04 Dec 11 - 12:16 PM (#3268326) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: autolycus i Is writing in protest to the BBC really enough? No. Just better than the tacit acceptance of doing nothing. The Beeb will respond. Eventually. Not in our time, but theirs. And the protesters will not be thanked or acknowldged if there's a sea-change at the Beeb and they improve the standard of staff. |
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04 Dec 11 - 12:22 PM (#3268328) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker ok, face facts... Clarkson is no idiot - and there's not reaaaly much to be gained by hurling childish insults at the overpaid high profile media buffoon.. What he is.. is a very shrewd cynical opportunist; and for all his higher education & intelligence, an intellectually lazy figurehead for the millions of unenlightened bigots and bullies festering and thriving in all aspects of our great British society. It's easy enough for us lefties to accuse him of a sinister orchestrated propaganda campaign against all and sundry that might be potentially discomforting to the vested interests of our deeply entrenched right wing ruling elite.. However, he does without doubt strategically exploit his powerful position in light entertainment at the BBC, and in various mass printed media, to promote an agenda.. reinforcing a pernicious biased dominant reactionary cultural/political ideology. Should the BBC punish him ? Many of us would demand his suspension. Some might even wish upon him the same extreme ultimate terms of 'suspension' meted out to Lord Haw-Haw for his ill judged broadcasting 'gaffs'... A dilemna is that "Top Gear" is a very popular TV show even amongst Public Sector workers. It's one of my wife's guilty pleasures, she couldn't care less about cars, thinks the team of presenters are complete knobs, but laughs her self stupid at their weekly antics.. It's just the kind of easy viewing tripe she enjoys to wind down to after a hard weeks work as an exhaustingly overstressed professional public servant ???? A serious concern is that the Unions and progressive political activists don't shoot themselves in the foot overreacting to his obnoxious public provocation. They are in danger of playing into the hands of right wing media ever ready, vigile and eager for any 'stage managed' excuse to further discredit public sector defenders in any ploy to manipulate mass public opinion. At the very least we can hope that the mass of public sector 'Top Gear' fans demonstrate their contempt for Clarksons stupidity by not purchasing any more of his vapid xmas tie-in product defiantly hitting the toxic fool in his big fat overstuffed wallet.... |
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04 Dec 11 - 01:32 PM (#3268364) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: goatfell there are people whose family members who have been shot in front of them, and you bams are saying don't take JC seriously. |
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04 Dec 11 - 01:55 PM (#3268380) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Gurney Is it possible to get a humourectomy on the National Health nowadays? Looks as if some contributors on this thread have had one! I know a guy, a folkie, who seems to think everything that isn't banned should be compulsory. He takes everything ludicrously (to me) seriously. It's a point of view, and I'm glad I don't share it. |
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04 Dec 11 - 04:20 PM (#3268446) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Brian May JC wow, he's even got the same initials. Do you know, I begin to understand the pleasure trolls get out of stirring a reaction out of people. Get yourselves felt, he's no worse than all the deliciously non-PC comedians that have been hounded out of amusing people like me (also from Doncaster) by do-gooders who don't actually manage to achieve that. It's not REAL! I love his books, I love his provocative style because he KNOWS he's winding you up. If he leaves the BBC, he'll get a more well-paid job elsewhere. It's worth it just to read some of the 'outraged' comments above - what on earth do you find to amuse yourselves with when you haven't got a Jeremy to be offended at? At least these days, it's possible to crusade from your couch. Have fun . . . |
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04 Dec 11 - 09:10 PM (#3268571) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Little Hawk I take it that the Alex Jones being referred to in this thread is some other Alex Jones, not the well-known radio host in Texas and at prisonplanet.com ? |
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04 Dec 11 - 09:46 PM (#3268585) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Little Hawk This video shows what Jeremy Clarkson actually said...he first of all joked by saying that the strikes were a marvelous idea (because the streets were now clearer of traffic than usual, restaurants had more seats available, etc.)...he then jokes by saying that of course he should voice the opposite view in the interest of being fair and unbiased....and he then says that strikers and their families should be shot! (the extreme opposite and ridiculous view) He is clearly joking throughout those remarks and it's totally obvious if you watch the excerpts in the video and hear everything he said. Try it. Jeremy Clarkson live on the air If you're going to take this matter seriously, then you should also get VERY upset about Randy Newman singing "Short People" (demeaning to the vertically challenged!)....and Lenny Bruce using words like "n*...." (the word that dare not even be printed!), in order to make a very cogent point about the extreme commonality of prejudice in modern society, even among so many who imagine themselves not to BE prejudiced. Hypocrisy, in other words. If you really think that Jeremy Clarkson wants the strikers and their families shot, then you are probably also well aware that Randy Newman wanted all short people, himself included, sent to death camps for not being tall, and that Lenny Bruce hated Black people and was intent on having them all deported to Africa... .....NOT!!!!! |
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05 Dec 11 - 08:00 AM (#3268706) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Brian May Well said LH He's a well-known wind-up merchant and knows exactly what he's doing. I think it's just that tempers are short on this issue, that's all the more reason to laugh at it. There are far worse things happening in the world than what JC said. If you really wanted to hurt JC, then ignore him. As is probably obvious, he is one of my heroes. |
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05 Dec 11 - 08:42 AM (#3268721) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: melodeonboy Wind-up or not, it seems peculiar that some people find this amusing while at the same time we're condemning Assad's regime for er... shooting protesters in front of their own families! Perhaps Clarkson is just in the wrong country (or era!). |
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05 Dec 11 - 09:08 AM (#3268730) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Richard Bridge The purported defence of "it's a joke" is not a good one. I could make a long list of "jokes" that would now be regarded as offensive. There are the ones about mean Jews and Scots, the ones about "niggers" the ones about women the ones about the Irish and many more. |
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05 Dec 11 - 10:06 AM (#3268754) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Peter K (Fionn) LH, I did put the "joke" in context at the top of the thread. However his other "joke" - that a train should not stop if it hits someone on the track - must have seemed completely unfunny to many people who have lost friends and relatives to suicide. Also, you should not imply that Clarkson dislikes jetskis. He simply loves noisy toys. |
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05 Dec 11 - 10:16 AM (#3268757) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Big Al Whittle Headline in Daily Sport Jeremy Clarkson ate my kittens! |
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05 Dec 11 - 10:42 AM (#3268765) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,John from Kemsing Oh Dear, I feel an "Occupy Jeremy Clarkson" coming on!! |
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05 Dec 11 - 11:00 AM (#3268772) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker The easiest expedient for dealing with Clarkson if he emerges from all this without any punitive repercussions for his arrogant ill-judged stupidity.. Simply not allow him to open his big mouth on TV pre 'watershed'.. |
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05 Dec 11 - 12:22 PM (#3268793) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp I can't wait to get in the ring with this Clarkson chump and annihilate him! I am thirstin' for the opportunity to destroy him piece by piece and hang him out to dry. I am willin' to wrestle him or box him, either way, but I think it might better be a boxin' match, cos if I wrestle him, I'll kill him, and that might put me in legal hot water. Can't have that! Ook! Ook! - Chongo |
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05 Dec 11 - 12:34 PM (#3268798) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Little Hawk Clarkson likes jetskis??? ARRRGHH! The man is definitely beyond the pale then. Richard - But...I am half Scottish and I find jokes about mean Scots to be hilarious! So does my friend John Ashe, and he is 100% Scottish. Perhaps having the Atlantic Ocean between ourselves and the British Isles has allowed us to reach a different, more detached perspective on the matter? |
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05 Dec 11 - 02:12 PM (#3268863) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: The Sandman talk about tilting at wind mills, it is quite clear Clarkson is joking. I do not agree with clarksons politics. |
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05 Dec 11 - 02:53 PM (#3268882) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Gurney L.H., it is usually Irishmen who tell Irish jokes, too. Some make a living at it, and are possibly very grateful to the politically sensitive who deter others from using their material! As for the 'suicide by train' controversy, I can see his point. By the time the train has stopped, it is well past the body. If there is an immediate investigation, some thousands of people will not get to where they are going for hours, and arrangements and whole industries will be disrupted. And all this despite the fact that the driver and his passengers can bear no responsibility whatsoever for the incident! It isn't as if he was swerving all over the road, or if he could do an emergency stop, is it! The driver could just get replaced at the next stop, then come back, (arriving at the same time as the senior policemen, probably) to say 'I didn't see anything /I couldn't do anything.' |
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05 Dec 11 - 03:59 PM (#3268920) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Little Hawk As far as I'm concerned, Lenny Bruce had it right. He told jokes which were superficially at everyone's expense, but he did it not to denigrate anyone but to make people more aware of the games they're constantly playing on one another...and inside their own minds. And a bunch of uncomprehending cops kept arresting him for doing so! (thus enforcing the political correctness of their time, which could be summed up in the phrase "Don't think about this or try to understand it...don't think about anything...just react!") |
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05 Dec 11 - 04:49 PM (#3268939) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: akenaton I agree about Scottish jokes, Irish jokes, and especially ENGLISH jokes!.....there are certainly plenty of English jokes on Muddy. I wonder if folks down South still refer to us as "Jocks"? I was always quite proud of that nickname....I like being a "Jock" |
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05 Dec 11 - 05:21 PM (#3268953) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Little Hawk The grreat thing about Scottish names is, they sound so manly. Ye cannae hae a bet'er name than Jock MacTaggart or Ian MacGregor tae pit fear inta the hearts o' the English scalliwags. |
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05 Dec 11 - 06:05 PM (#3268968) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Brian May Och ye can . . . |
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05 Dec 11 - 06:14 PM (#3268974) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Little Hawk Whit would it be, then? |
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05 Dec 11 - 06:39 PM (#3268994) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Gurney Igor Spavinski. |
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05 Dec 11 - 06:52 PM (#3269000) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: akenaton Wir aw Joak Tamsin's bairns....eh no? |
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05 Dec 11 - 11:56 PM (#3269088) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Little Hawk Och, aye! Whit's for dinner? |
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06 Dec 11 - 04:49 AM (#3269135) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,Bill the Collie In the philosophy section of the Queens Head bar, there is a current discussion on whether Mr D Cameron asks his mate Mr J Clarkson to write offensive insults for Mr Cameron's use at Prime Minister's Questions. |
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06 Dec 11 - 05:23 AM (#3269146) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Musket As ever, one half of the world are trying to have fun and the other half are trying to stop them. Clarkson being outrageous is no different to when Ewan McColl sang in a false Scottish accent. An entertainer putting on a persona to entertain. I bet you wouldn't know his new book was out if it wasn't for this? Job done, move on. (Those reading this thread from The USA will no doubt notice that we Brits enjoy being outraged. It's one of our national sports...) Oh, heck.. I suppose I should hate him too? After all; 1. I work (ish) in the public sector. 2. I own a caravan. 3. I am married to a bell ringer. 4. I enjoy long walks in the country. But there again, I laughed my head off when he likened the small row of lights adorning new Audi headlights to "looking like a council house at Christmas." Or that if the engine on a TVR Cerbera was a singer, it would be Joe Cocker. Or, when he found the vineyard where "Blue Nun" wine grapes were grown, he cupped a handful of budding grapes, looked at the camera and said "These will be on a dining table in Rotherham next year." If public sector strikers are to be taken out and shot, can I request whoever cocked up my DVLA form the other month be first on the list? Just logging into Amazon to buy the new book. |
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06 Dec 11 - 06:00 AM (#3269159) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Paul Reade As a union member I would be more concerned if Jeremy Clarkson had come out in support of the strike! |
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06 Dec 11 - 06:11 AM (#3269165) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: The Sandman he did, listen again |
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06 Dec 11 - 06:53 AM (#3269187) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge I `ad that Jeremy Clarkson in my cab the other day. `is mum was responsible for marketing that "Paddington Bear", you know. I said, "Morning Jerry. I see you`ve not only got posters on that Mudcat going into one about your strikers jokes but the press, tv and radio are also giving it large." `e said, "I dunno, Jim. Where`s their sense of "yoomer" gone? I try to be even `anded about it all. What do people want nowadays?" I said, "Ross, Russel Brand and tasteless stand-up jokers making fun of Downes Syndrome children!!" Whaddam I Like?? |
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06 Dec 11 - 07:38 AM (#3269211) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Brian May From Little Hawk: Whit would it be, then? Culloden . . . (it's quite spooky still when I went there last) Take care guys, it'll all get sorted at Murrayfield/Twickers |
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06 Dec 11 - 07:52 AM (#3269215) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: McGrath of Harlow Just logging into Amazon to buy the new book. Now that really is a weird idea. You could at least wait till it's in the poundshops after Christmas. .................. "whether Mr D Cameron asks his mate Mr J Clarkson to write offensive insults Or could it be the other way round? |
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06 Dec 11 - 09:38 AM (#3269262) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: gnomad I didn't know before reading this thread that JC and DC were mates, it has led me to speculate which of them is the more "soiled by association"? To my mind JC is not an idiot, despite regularly behaving in an idiotic fashion. He is manipulative, a self-publicist (that's seen as a bad thing here) and frequently thoroughly objectionable. So are some other broadcasters, though he does stand out a bit. It isn't a crime, and the size of the fan base tells me that a significant proportion of the population do not see matters as I do. Nothing new there, after all I like proper music and beer, while disliking all spectator sports and most animals. I just ignore the opinions on the odd occasion that I go TV-slumming to watch the daft antics they get up to. The opinions seem little different from those of the bigots one can encounter just by leaving the house, and life is too short to spend it getting in a lather about them. |
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06 Dec 11 - 01:27 PM (#3269365) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Brian May Just as an aside, I looked at the top 10 of Series downloaded on iTunes. Five of them were Top Gear or Clarkson - so it just shows how many people like his style (just like me). He may be many things, but stupid he ain't. He just LOVES winding up 'stuffed shirts'. Err . . . . look above, grist to the mill. Whether you love or hate him, there are very few people who don't know who he is . . . especially now. Have fun |
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06 Dec 11 - 02:41 PM (#3269422) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: melodeonboy "Whether you love or hate him, there are very few people who don't know who he is . . . especially now." Can't argue with that. You could, of course, equally well say that about Vincent Tabak, Jack The Ripper or Colonel Gaddafi! Or even dear old Adolf! (I hear he could crack a good joke* now and then an' all! :) ) *Mein Hund hat keine Nase. Wie riecht er? Schrecklich! (Funnier than Clarkson's "joke", awful though it is!) |
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06 Dec 11 - 07:12 PM (#3269527) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Little Hawk Well, in point of fact, we still don't know who Jack the Ripper was. ;-) (Sorry, couldn't resist the chance to nitpick that one.) We have a man in Canada who has become famous by saying outrageous things and wearing outrageous clothing. His name is... Don Cherry |
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06 Dec 11 - 08:03 PM (#3269553) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Big Al Whittle Totally agree. JC is not an idiot. He's a bloody fascist. All his defenders keep saying is; can't you take a joke? Is global warming a joke? was the only left winger of Blairs cabinet - in there to defend the trades unions - a joke? No he bloody wasn't. But he was a fat man and theresore - an easy subject of ridicule. Every evil act at some point has to be talked about to prepare for it. I can remember growing up in Boston, Lincs where nary a black or brown face was ever seen round about 1968. And I heard some kids shouting silly abuse at each other, calling each other coon and nigger. And I realised they had had learned that stuff from Johnny Speight's Til Death Us Do Part. A series I had enjoyed, but even then I realised - it had done something evil by influencing young kids. Clarkson is like that. He facilitates the bad talk, prior to the bad acts. he teaches bad stuff to silly kids. And he doesn't seem to have any remorse or conscience about what he's done. I would say to those people who enjoy Clarkson - when your society fragments around you, don't blame Clarkson or whichever version of Hitler he is an apologist for. blame yourselves. you let him abuse the freedoms your fathers fought for. |
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07 Dec 11 - 12:54 AM (#3269645) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Gurney 'The freedoms your fathers fought for.' One of those was freedom of speech. My father was one of the fighters, and a free thinker. He would have loved J.C., mostly to argue with him. Clarkson is not an apologist for Hitler, if for no other reason than that Hitler was a greenie! Can anyone show a reference of Clarkson using racism in his diatribes, beyond calling a certain politician Scottish? 'WHEN our society fragments around us?' (Not technically mine, nowadays.) That started before Clarkson was born, and has accelerated in recent years. I also remember that TV series starring Johnny Speight, but I didn't like it. I was embarrassed by the prejudice. Fancied Una Stubbs, though. And that programme was a poke at bigotry, for viewers that had the brains that God gave a Lemming. |
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07 Dec 11 - 01:54 AM (#3269663) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Little Hawk Okay, all my friends from the UK...you there? You have GOT to see this! This is Don Cherry, the famous Canadian sports commentator, an absolute master of outrageous self-promotion, helping a regular boring media guy get a suit that is as cool as what Don himself wears: Don Cherry gives fashion tips to a newbie... |
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07 Dec 11 - 03:28 AM (#3269675) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Musket Fuck me Al.. I know you and I don't always agree, although on some things we do. But bringing Hitler into it and saying Clarkson will make society fragment around you? Seems you have more faith in his abilities than those of us who enjoy the idiot. Oh McGraw, I do have to buy his book before it goes cheap. The poor bloke makes a point of not starting a pension fund, which I don't think is a good idea so being afraid for his future, I make sure he gets his royalties OK. (Bill Bryson gave a speech at a university graduation day I was at the other year, and his advice to the world was "Always buy my books when they are first released, preferably in hardback.") |
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07 Dec 11 - 03:39 AM (#3269677) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Penny S. The photograph on the cover of the book does not look like that of a well man. Odd choice. |
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07 Dec 11 - 04:43 AM (#3269695) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,Shimrod "I would say to those people who enjoy Clarkson - when your society fragments around you, don't blame Clarkson ..." No I won't, Al. I'll blame the pernicious myth of the 'Free Market' and all those who embraced it so enthusiastically (including many who should have known better)! |
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07 Dec 11 - 05:24 AM (#3269702) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Big Al Whittle Late night last night. there was this programme called The story of Ireland. It was an episode all about Davitt, Parnell - all those cats you did at O level History, but they all sort of melded into one. God knows what they do at school nowadays - probably the history of Big Brother with special reference to Davina McCall. (we might as well have done the same for all we learned!) Apparently the doctrine of the free market and laissez faire as propounded by Lord John Russel and a guy called Trevelyan(something to do with the exchequer) were mainly to blame for the extent of the suffering in the famine. Wonder who the Clarkson of the day was - keeping England in stitches. Fuck you Ian....? best offer I've had for a while. |
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07 Dec 11 - 05:30 AM (#3269706) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: autolycus Ian Where,where,where did Al say Clarkson would "make society fragment"? It helps to read what posters actually write. |
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07 Dec 11 - 05:35 AM (#3269709) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Big Al Whittle Autolycus, I may not have said that, but near enough. Don't lets get nitpicking amongst friends. Yeh I think Clarkson wouldn't give a bugger if society vaporised - long as he was in the VIP lounge, laughing his dick off. |
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07 Dec 11 - 10:17 AM (#3269833) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,Eliza Reflecting on the friendship (?) of Clarkson and Cameron, I'm reminded of the poem about a drunk lying in the gutter next to a pig. It ends "You can judge a man who boozes by the company he chooses. And at that the pig got up and walked away" Only, which is the pig...? |
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07 Dec 11 - 01:00 PM (#3269914) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Little Hawk Even pigs can tolerate only just SO much! ;-D **** I am shocked and dismayed by the complete lack of attention you lot in the UK are paying to my links to the inestimable Don Cherry, Canadian hockey commentator and fashion guru extraordinaire, sworn enemy of liberals everywhere! Yes, shocked and dismayed! I shock easily, and dismay comes to me like a Dachshund to roadkill. Don Cherry is at least as outrageous as Jeremy Clarkson if not moreso, and I think he deserves at least a microsecond or two of your valuable time even if he ISN'T from the UK! So there. (grin) |
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07 Dec 11 - 08:15 PM (#3270180) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Big Al Whittle I don't like confusion. to me Don Cherry was a jazz musician. this idiot had no right to steal a name that was already famous. You aren't allowed to do that sort of thing in England - you have to choose another name and register it with Equity. |
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07 Dec 11 - 11:33 PM (#3270231) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Little Hawk Oh, come on, Big Al! NO ONE in Canada thinks of "Don Cherry" as a jazz musician. Good grief! Trust me on this. Don Cherry the hockey commentator and fashion icon is quite possibly the best known man in all of Canada. People either love him or hate him. Even his dog, Blue, is legendary. I know people who've met him personally and had a beer with him. (they all speak very well of him, despite his penchant for saying outrageous things when he's on the air) He is so right wing that if he were an airplane, he wouldn't even HAVE a wing on the left side! I'm betting he is WAY to the right of Jeremy "The Idiot" Clarkson, and that he could check Clarkson into the boards so hard that it would make all his teeth fall out. (that's hockey lingo) Don Cherry is living proof that you can be to the right of Genghis Khan and still be a funny and entertaining man. I fear what might happen if he were elected prime minister (as Shane keeps hoping), but it will never happen, so why worry? |
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07 Dec 11 - 11:35 PM (#3270233) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Gurney L.H., To me your D.C. looks like a Peacock who imagines himself to be a Bird of Paradise, and a relentless self-publicist. Can he do anything, or is he just a 'personality'? A locomoting opinion? Just working from your link, of course. And I'm not in the U.K., so I hope that this doesn't add to your paranoia. |
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07 Dec 11 - 11:49 PM (#3270237) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Little Hawk " [Don Cherry] looks like a Peacock who imagines himself to be a Bird of Paradise, and a relentless self-publicist" Exactly! You could hardly have put it better. ;-D "Can he do anything, or is he just a 'personality'?" Well...he was a pretty decent NHL hockey player in his youth. He then went into coaching and did that okay too. He then went into being a TV sports commentator and became absolutely notorious after that. He's written a couple of bestselling books about hockey, and is the subject of many hockey videos. All in all, I'd say he's done quite well, but his genius for self-promotion is probably his greatest asset. "I'm not in the U.K., so I hope that this doesn't add to your paranoia." It does, sir (or Madam), it does! I positively quiver with alarm. I fear I shall get little sleep tonight. ;-D |
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08 Dec 11 - 03:23 AM (#3270266) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Big Al Whittle http://www.jazzhouse.org/gone/lastpost2.php3?edit=920558579 Don Cherry - the real Don Cherry! |
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08 Dec 11 - 03:29 AM (#3270268) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Little Hawk Interesting stuff, Al. Thanks for that info. Sounds like he was a wonderful musician. Nevertheless, the REAL Don Cherry lives in a suburb of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, drives a giant-sized early 1980s car, owns a pit bull, and talks large about hockey and really loud sports jackets. ;-) Just ask any Canadian, that's what they'll tell you. |
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08 Dec 11 - 05:02 AM (#3270295) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: autolycus L.H. Perhaps we on the Anglo side of the pond are as interested in your D.C. as you all are of the jazzman D.C.? :-) |
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08 Dec 11 - 05:21 AM (#3270300) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Musket Yeah, I know I didn't address Al verbatim, (but near enough.) I am not a trendsetter so don't want to be the first person in history to actually address the words of what somebody said during a debate. After all, the early posts on this thread debated the media reaction to what the media said Clarkson said, not the context in which he said it. (Taking the piss out of the BBC stance of "in the interest of balance" by sounding as unbalanced as you can get.) (Which, lets face it, isn't hard for him.) A few comparisons above between Clarkson and the Johnny Speight character Alf Garnett. I recall the actor playing him, Warren Mitchell, when shouted to in the street how bang on Alf was, he used to shout back "We're laughing at you, not with you." |
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08 Dec 11 - 06:47 AM (#3270347) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,John from Kemsing Little Hawk, I`ve watched the video clip of Don Cherry in the curtain shop selecting material for the other fellows suit and found it mildly entertaining but if that is as controversial as he gets then he`s pretty tame stuff. |
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08 Dec 11 - 10:51 AM (#3270496) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Little Hawk He gets way more controversial than that, John. He's always raising a ruckus on TV about something and offending millions of liberal-minded people with his antediluvian take on hockey violence and other pressing social issues. He's sort of like John Wayne in a sports jacket, the same basic approach, but a bit more raucous. The video about his sports jackets is just a sort of affectionate look at one of his more obvious eccentricities, so don't expect too much controversy from it. ;-) |
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09 Dec 11 - 05:22 AM (#3270927) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Big Al Whittle I dunno Ian. I don't watch the guy's programme regularly, but I happened upon it onetime. He had Jonathan Porrit, the Head of greenpeace on, and he proceded to rip the piss out of him (really ridicule the Green point of view) in front of a jeering studio audience. I've never been anything but lukewarm of Green matters, but I felt a terrible line had been crossed. It made me feel very uneasy. The thing they said about Speight was that he took official Conservative Pary policy and put it into the mouths of an idiot. I feel Clarkson gives voice to to right wing scepticism, and puts the rhetoric into the mouths of the unthinking and anti-intellectual. The lad culture personified. |
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09 Dec 11 - 05:44 AM (#3270935) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Musket Ben Elton used to give voice to left wing scepticism for that matter. Clarkson rips into everybody not just Porrit. That's what the viewers want, same as the readers of tabloids want phone hacking if it adds to their puerile pleasure. Sad sick world we live in... Tell you what though, humour is always at the expense of somebody, and if it is at the expense of an object or an animal, it is given human traits in order to be funny. Some people push the boundaries of that, both from right and left angles. If I were a conservative, I would be outraged at BBC Radio 4's The Now Show. If I were a socialist, I might be outraged at Clarkson. Thing is, we all enjoy being outraged. Graham Souness got it right when he criticised football commentators for being hypocrites over violence on the pitch and dirty play. The punters love it and viewing figures go up when known "red mist" players are on the park. Same as the number of people who when Formula 1 becomes a procession genuinely want a pile up to make it interesting. Bread and circuses. Clarkson is a product of entertainment, not an instigator of it. And he knows it. Love or hate will do. It is indifference that would concern him. |
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12 Dec 11 - 12:33 PM (#3272611) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: autolycus Two kids in Scotland have just been sent to prison, in one case for four years for inciting others to riot last August, even tho' there were no consequences. They said they were just joking. So it wasn't a sufficient defence for them. |
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12 Dec 11 - 03:14 PM (#3272690) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: autolycus Odd that. |
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13 Dec 11 - 07:43 AM (#3273045) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Musket I once said on the telly that a large landfill near where I used to live could have a few dustbins thrown into it and call it New Langwith. Although drinking in Langwith became a bit adventurous for a few weeks, I don't recall being charged with instigating a pogrom or forcing resettlement of Langwith residents. I didn't think I was inciting people to put up signs at the landfill with New Langwith written on it for that matter. (My mate Barrie did do so though, and a photo of it was behind the bar of my local for a few months.) Clarkson was providing outrageous entertainment, lampooning and ensuring his new book got good coverage. The criminals in Scotland were inciting riot. A bit like how wet gravel isn't or how dry water is. Saying Clarkson was inciting execution is about serious as his comments. ZZZZZ |
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13 Dec 11 - 07:57 AM (#3273055) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Brian May He's still my hero - guess I must be shallow and puerile, ho hum . . . |
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13 Dec 11 - 09:36 AM (#3273094) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Little Hawk Winston Wellington-Jones loves him too. |
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13 Dec 11 - 10:00 AM (#3273102) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: autolycus Ian "The criminals in Scotland were inciting riot. " They said they were joking, the Clarkson defence. |
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13 Dec 11 - 12:28 PM (#3273171) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Musket Most criminals say they don't mean it. It doesn't follow that when you point out that you said something in fun that you are ergo a criminal. A bit like the Unison bloke saying that every public sector employee is offended by Clarkson's comments. Well, considering my poll of my wife, three mates and a neighbour indicates otherwise, perhaps we should question the word "every" in the same way you are questioning the word "joking'? Who's next? Who are the media going to tell you to hate next? Baa Baa |
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13 Dec 11 - 12:36 PM (#3273178) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Little Hawk The mass media make a regular business of telling people who to hate...not in so many words, mind you...but they definitely incite hatred through various forms of repetitive propaganda, scare stories, and sensationalism. American media, for example, have been inciting hatred of the Iranian regime and Mr Ahmadinejad for many years now...and also of Hugo Chavez....while Mr Ahmadinejad and Mr Chavez are likewise using their own media to incite hatred of the USA regime. How much justification there is for any of these sustained efforts at getting domestic populations to hate the leaders and governments of other nations is debatable, but the intent to incite hatred is obvious. Most people object to such shoddy and negative media tactics only when their own "bull" is the one being gored. |
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13 Dec 11 - 12:53 PM (#3273189) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Brian May Yes LH but it seems it's OK to incite nations to hate nations. Remember the Cold War. A few years ago, I got to teach a bunch of pilots from Uzbekistan, including ex-military pilots included (i.e. the 'enemy'). All they wanted from life was: a decent job, a nice home and money enough for clothes, a car, education and health care for their families etc. Obviously these were the 'Devil Spawn' of the Communist regime that we'd all been told about. Actually, they were a nice bunch of PEOPLE, I liked them. But when someone in the public domain says something risqué, then 'everyone' demands them to resign or generally throw themselves on their sword. Why? I too have asked Unison members what they felt - they thought to a man (and woman) that it was funny. Apart from all that, Jeremy (anything but an idiot) Clarkson is still someone I listen to because more times than enough he actually says what many of us think - perhaps not all the humour, but he daren't be boring - that's his trade mark. Good luck to him |
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13 Dec 11 - 01:18 PM (#3273200) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: melodeonboy "he actually says what many of us think" I'd like to make it clear at this point that Clarkson does not say what I think! And as for him not being boring, I find his tedious, predictable manner almost as irritating as his hateful opinions. But then I'm aware I'm in a minority - half a million bored adolescents can't be wrong! |
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14 Dec 11 - 04:01 AM (#3273470) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: autolycus Ian "Most criminals say they don't mean it. It doesn't follow that when you point out that you said something in fun that you are ergo a criminal." A bit of logical gymnastics there. I didn't write that the Scottish boys said they didn't mean it, but that they said they were joking. Criminals may say they didn't mean it; not many say they were just joking. Nor did I assert that saying something in fun makes you a criminal. As for "Who are the media going to tell you to hate next? Baa Baa", I'm pretty impervious to such campaigns. I don't even hate Clarkson. Personally, I don't really do hate. The mass media didn't even normalise buying a house, eating junk food, loving celebrity, disliking foreigners, or embracing materialism. Hope that helps. |
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14 Dec 11 - 04:46 AM (#3273485) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Big Al Whittle As I remember Homer Lane, the American philosopher /psychiatrist said that most delinquency was carried out in the spirit of play. Its not a good line of defence. ian Brady could use that to defend his 'games'. its a matter of degree, isn't it? I think Clarkson and his crap programme with his two sycophantic mates is bloody boring. I wouldn't propose shooting him in front of his family - but something in private maybe - involving a red hot poker up his roozle. |
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14 Dec 11 - 04:47 AM (#3273486) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Big Al Whittle Lets see how fast he went round the track after that! Fantasy sadism...! |
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14 Dec 11 - 05:20 AM (#3273494) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,Bluesman Bought a house in East Finchley yesterday, going to rent it out. |
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14 Dec 11 - 06:13 AM (#3273519) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Big Al Whittle Is that the place going north out of London with all the Indian restaurants? |
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14 Dec 11 - 08:41 AM (#3273570) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,Bluesman No, my property backs onto a golf course. |
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14 Dec 11 - 09:23 AM (#3273602) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Big Al Whittle Tough shit! That used to be a great place on the way home for a Chicken Korma and special fried rice. I used to love those stops in Finchley. Best Indian cafs in England. Much better than Bradford or Derby. Although there was one behind the Theatre Royal in Nottingham that would given them a run for their money. And you could live all your life in Manchester without going to all the Asian cafs on the Wilmslow Road. |
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14 Dec 11 - 11:46 AM (#3273688) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,Penelope Rutledge Jeremy Clarkson is a tiresome man with a boundless appetite for attention. He tries to amuse, but fails, in my opinion. My husband, Winston, thinks he is hilarious, but Winston also thinks that beheading wild boar with a medieval sword is hilarious, and that NO amount of port consumed after 8 pm can ever be too much! This proves that morons are amused by morons, doesn't it? * PR |
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14 Dec 11 - 02:27 PM (#3273772) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Brian May PR - obviously, you must be right Melodeon Boy - don't watch him then - it's still voluntary. I bet you're a real bundle of fun to be around. That's me done . . . this thread has pretty much run its course. Have fun. I'll see you all the next time JC winds most of the stuffed-shirts up ;o) Whatever your persuasion, have a nice Christmas and hopefully a better new year. 2011 has been pretty much an annus horribilis for many people. |
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15 Dec 11 - 05:12 AM (#3274072) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: Musket I'll ditto that Brian. (Talking of defending against politically correct nonsense, I take it you co wrote Fat Bottomed Girls....) Penelope Rutledge seems to have the best sort of name when it comes to calling me a moron. She wittered |
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15 Dec 11 - 05:16 AM (#3274074) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: autolycus An earlier sentence of mine should have read The mass media didn't even normalise buying a house, eating junk food, loving celebrity, disliking foreigners, or embracing materialism for me. Baa-aa-aa. :-) |
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15 Dec 11 - 12:12 PM (#3274231) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: GUEST,Ms Penelope Rutledge It was my dear husband, Winston, whom I was alluding to when I used the term "moron", Ian. I don't know you well enough yet to know if that term is entirely appropriate in your case...or in that of Brian May. It may be. I'm not saying it isn't. But I have no way at present of being sure about it. Let us hope and pray that it remains that way. * PR |
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16 Dec 11 - 11:42 AM (#3274845) Subject: RE: BS: Jeremy 'The Idiot' Clarkson From: goatfell bumhole Clarkson |
