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12 Jan 12 - 06:52 PM (#3289607) Subject: BS: Haley Barbour From: Greg F. With this parden SNAFU, looks like things haven't progressed much since 1963. I dunno what Phil would think if he were still around, but I miss him like hell. HERE'S TO THE STATE OF MISSISSIPPI -Phil Ochs (1963) Here's to the state of Mississippi, For underneath her borders, the devil draws no line. If you drag her muddy rivers, nameless bodies you will find. Oh, the fat trees of the forest have hid a thousand crimes. The calendar is lying when it reads the present time. CHORUS: Oh, here's to the land you've torn out the heart of. Mississippi, find yourself another country to be part of! And here's to the people of Mississippi, Who say the folks up north, they just don't understand, And they tremble in the shadows at the thunder of the Klan. Oh, the sweating of their souls can't wash the blood from off their hands, For they smile and shrug their shoulders at the murder of a man. And here's to the schools of Mississippi, Where they're teaching all the children that they don't have to care. All of rudiments of hatred are present everywhere, And every single classroom is a factory of despair, And there's nobody learning such a foreign word as fair. And here's to the cops of Mississippi. They're chewing their tobacco as they lock the prison door, And their bellies bounce inside them when they knock you to the floor. No, they don't like taking prisoners in their private little war, And behind their broken badges there are murderers and more. And here's to the judges of Mississippi, Who wear the robe of honor as they crawl into the court. They're guarding all the bastions of their phony legal fort. Oh, justice is a stranger when the prisoners report. When the black man stands accused, the trial is always short. And here's to the government of Mississippi. In the swamp of their bureaucracy they're always bogging down, And criminals are posing as the mayors of the towns, And they hope that no one sees the sights and no one hears the sounds, And the speeches of the governor are the ravings of a clown. And here's to the laws of Mississippi. Congressmen will gather in a circus of delay. While the Constitution's drowning in an ocean of decay. Unwed mothers should be sterilized, I've even heard them say. Yes, corruption can be classic in the Mississippi way. And here's to the churches of Mississippi, Where the cross, once made of silver, now is caked with rust, And the Sunday morning sermons pander to their lust. Oh, the fallen face of Jesus is choking in the dust, And heaven only knows in which God they can trust. |
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12 Jan 12 - 06:59 PM (#3289611) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour From: michaelr parden SNAFU?? |
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12 Jan 12 - 07:09 PM (#3289617) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour From: Charley Noble Among those pardoned were four men sentenced to life in prison for murders. Evidently as prisoners they did work at the Governor's mansion and the retiring Governor decided to reward them with a full pardon. Charley Noble |
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12 Jan 12 - 07:13 PM (#3289620) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour From: Stilly River Sage When it was reported it sounded like he had thrown open the prison doors. I haven't heard anything to spell out who and (if it is explained) why he gave those pardons. At least when Clinton gave pardons they were for non-violent offenders. (Rich) SRS |
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12 Jan 12 - 07:38 PM (#3289637) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour From: Lighter Get ready to laugh bitterly: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2012/0112/Did-Haley-Barbour-overlook-Mississippi-constitution-before-mass-pardon-video Best part: Barbour's defense that 90% of the cons pardoned had already done their time and deserved to have their convictions erased so they'd qualify for state "hunting licenses." So *only 10%* will be getting out of the slam for crimes including murder. Is that really so bad? (Oh, and they'll be elegible to "hunt" too - with legally purchased guns.) |
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12 Jan 12 - 07:53 PM (#3289645) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour From: Greg F. The Mississippi State Motto: "Thank God For Alabama". |
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12 Jan 12 - 07:54 PM (#3289646) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour From: Bill D Methinks I see a need to have some limit on gubernatorial & presidential pardons..... some sort of review like the way parole boards work already. |
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12 Jan 12 - 07:59 PM (#3289650) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour From: Charley Noble Here's another excerpt from the Christian Science Monitor: "Among those pardoned were Karen Irby, a Jackson socialite convicted of killing two doctors in a DUI-related crash, Ernest Favre, the brother of ex-NFL great Brett Favre, who killed his best friend in a 1997 drunk driving accident, and David Gatlin, a convicted wife-murderer who had earned good-behavior points by working as a trustee at the governor's mansion. Four of those released this weekend had worked at the mansion." Note of the four who worked at the Governor's mansion evidently only one was a convicted murderer. No doubt the other three were convicted of lessor crimes such as father-raping. Charley Noble |
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12 Jan 12 - 08:10 PM (#3289653) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour From: gnu SNAFU... situation normal... all fucked up. Yer welcome. |
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12 Jan 12 - 08:20 PM (#3289660) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour From: Jeri From CNN Jackson, Mississippi (CNN) -- Mississippi's attorney general said Thursday that the state may have to issue a nationwide manhunt after four pardoned murderers left jail and "hit the road running."...more at the link. |
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12 Jan 12 - 08:31 PM (#3289663) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour From: Bobert Reckon it's okay to kill yer wife down Mississippi way if she does anything to make you mad... Seems 2 of the 4 did just that... B~ |
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12 Jan 12 - 09:30 PM (#3289691) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour From: michaelr Thanks, gnu, I am familiar with the acronym. It was the "parden" part that had me stumped. Never heard of Barbour before. |
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12 Jan 12 - 09:40 PM (#3289695) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour From: Jack the Sailor Pardon me. |
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12 Jan 12 - 10:12 PM (#3289704) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour From: catspaw49 Tell ya' what Bill, I think the idea of a limit on presidential pardons went out the window when Jerry Ford told Nixon it was all okay...................... Spaw |
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13 Jan 12 - 09:14 PM (#3290341) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour From: Charley Noble Evidently Haley Barbour was tracked down and cornered today but he wasn't exactly coherent. He essentially said that people need a second chance to do better. He may have a point. Charley Noble |
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13 Jan 12 - 09:22 PM (#3290344) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour-Mississippi Gov Grants Pardons From: Joe Offer In general, I think Americans keep people in prison far too long. Prisons are the most prosperous industry in the U.S. -Joe- |
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13 Jan 12 - 10:04 PM (#3290359) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour-Mississippi Gov Grants Pardons From: Bobert Yes, Joe, we do... But when wife killers get less time than drug dealers we have a problem... B~ |
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13 Jan 12 - 10:10 PM (#3290361) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour-Mississippi Gov Grants Pardons From: Janie What I think is there is not enough actual information available through the press, at least so far, for most of us to develop an informed opinion. Concern? Yes. Self-aware of knee-jerk initial reaction? Yes. Informed opinion? No. |
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13 Jan 12 - 10:16 PM (#3290362) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour-Mississippi Gov Grants Pardons From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Stilly River Sage: "When it was reported it sounded like he had thrown open the prison doors. I haven't heard anything to spell out who and (if it is explained) why he gave those pardons. At least when Clinton gave pardons they were for non-violent offenders. (Rich)" Oh yes, Mark Rich, their pet bankster with the insider trading tricks for Hilary...Hey, I thought you guys didn't like the corrupt 'Wall Street' banker types.....or are they only OK when they 'service' Democrats?????????????????????????????????????????????? Timmy Geithner???????? Maybe you might re-assess your political views, to include the WHOLE picture!!..Solyndra execs getting 'BONUSES'????????????????? Who's zooming who????? GfS |
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13 Jan 12 - 11:17 PM (#3290377) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour-Mississippi Gov Grants Pardons From: Janie Wow, GsF. Interesting reaction. I do not understand, within the context of this discussion, how you sanely and rationally interpret Stilly's post as indicating approval or disapproval of Rich or of Clinton's decision to pardon him. |
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14 Jan 12 - 12:49 AM (#3290385) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour-Mississippi Gov Grants Pardons From: JohnInKansas A variety of reports have taken issue with the pardons issued. First reports were only about the four trustees who had worked at the governors mansion. That kind of work generally gives prisoners quite a lot of freedom, and under normal (expected?) circumstances might have given the gov some opportunity to decide they were demonstrating rehabilitation that might merit a pardon, but the (ex) gov didn't really seem to know who they were when he made his first public defense about the protests. It has since been found that (as noted above) he did sign approximately 200 pardons at what appears to have been an exceedingly hasty "last minute action." The State Attorney General has noted that the majority of the writs lacked "significant and substantial" elements normally required in such documentation of a pardon. As an example, he cited the failure to include a description of the offense for which they were jailed (and thereby, lack of any legal definition of what offense was pardoned). The ex gov (and/or his office) have claimed that he acted "on advice of the State Parole Board," but a significant percentage of those pardoned apparently were not eligible for parole and thus it may be assumed that the Parole Board had never seen nor heard of them. Various State Agencies, including the AG office, the courts, and the State Legislatures are "investigating" whether any laws were broken - indicating fairly persuasively that nobody in Mississippi has much knowledge of what the laws are. The whole situation smacks of a celebration of the end of the ex gov's term, quite possibly at a party with a liberal amount of "shine," after which someone shoved lots of papers in front of him and he signed whatever landed there. He gave every impression at his first couple of public statements that he really had no f**g idea what all he'd signed. (of course that's only an interpretation from what they've said in the news) John |
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14 Jan 12 - 02:38 AM (#3290402) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour-Mississippi Gov Grants Pardons From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity I was not raising an 'emotional issue' about Stilly's post, but rather an objective one, which seems to support my earlier observations, and posts, about corruption, politics, and BOTH sides are awash 'with' and 'in' it! Being as there are a lot of 'left leaning' so-called 'liberals' that I've had 'exchanges' with, on here, I thought I'd just point that out. By the way, it was pointed out to me, that when people are 'leaning to the left'......well, to be leaning to the left, you really got to be sitting to the 'right'......(and vise-verse). But anyway, when I hear or play, good music....it usually doesn't favor a political direction.....hopefully the heart, within us. Respectfully...and Regards, GfS |
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14 Jan 12 - 09:52 AM (#3290529) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour-Mississippi Gov Grants Pardons From: kendall When a jury of 12 finds a person guilty and a judge sentences him/her to a specific period of time in the graybar hotel, why should some old has been politician have the right to throw that out? He is a governor, not a friggin' King! |
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14 Jan 12 - 10:11 AM (#3290535) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour-Mississippi Gov Grants Pardons From: GUEST,999 "When a dog pisses on a fire hydrant, it's not committing an act of vandalism. It's just being a dog." |
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14 Jan 12 - 10:40 AM (#3290545) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour-Mississippi Gov Grants Pardons From: Greg F. Haley Barbour was tracked down and cornered today but he wasn't exactly coherent Barbour has never been coherent. Especially as head of the Republican National Committee & he comes from a long line of incoherent Mississippi politicians. I'm sure that Theodore Bilbo, John Rankin, James K. Vardaman, Tom Watson, Ben Tillman, James Eastland & etc. would have been proud to call Barbour one of their own. |
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14 Jan 12 - 11:49 PM (#3290769) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour-Mississippi Gov Grants Pardons From: catspaw49 Why is it that Mississippi produces more than their fair share of talented geniuses and brave inspirational types right alongside an also disproportionate number of racist, despicable, assholes? Spaw |
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14 Jan 12 - 11:58 PM (#3290775) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour-Mississippi Gov Grants Pardons From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Just a different view of the 'multicultural' issuance of grey matter, mixed with various degrees of priorities, perceptions, and economic factors. Think of them as psychically different cultures...sorta like we have to pretend to ignore the physical differences! I mean...does it ALWAYS have to bother somebody??...or bother somebody that thinks enough people aren't bothered enough, about it? ...Just ask yourselves THAT! Hrrumphff! gfS |
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15 Jan 12 - 01:15 AM (#3290792) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour-Mississippi Gov Grants Pardons From: GUEST Michael, yes. If you are not bothered, you just ain't thinking enough. The music is good, but stop telling people how good THEY think it is. |
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15 Jan 12 - 01:24 AM (#3290795) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour-Mississippi Gov Grants Pardons From: GUEST,999 That was me, sorry. |
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15 Jan 12 - 04:16 AM (#3290813) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour-Mississippi Gov Grants Pardons From: Big Al Whittle Maybe we're all looking in the wrong direction. The American legal system has always been weird, beyond excuses - with it its 999 year sentences, young exec. style attourneys pleading for the death sentence, and underlying it all - the strange symbiotic relationship with organised crime. However that song by Phil Ochs. What power and Dostoevskian intensity! Instead of thinking about the negatives - we should be asking why our societies (England and America) are losing talents like Ochs, Jackson C. Frank, Nick Drake, Peter Bellamy. Why can't we sustain and nurture talents like this? The traddies can say - its all about the tradition. But what is it all about for contemporary writers. Surely we're not to weighed and measured and valued in the profit and loss terms of tin pan alley. When we uncover a talent that can write a song like the OP posted. We need to be able to cherish, honour and support it - as a society. If we get the positives sorted out about our society - maybe we will be strong enough to confront the negatives. |
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15 Jan 12 - 11:22 AM (#3290935) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour-Mississippi Gov Grants Pardons From: Greg F. Even among the states of the deep South and the former Confederacy, Mississippi is and always has been a special case of a dystopia for Black folks & proud champion of The Lost Cause, Whitre Supremacy, social Darwinism & myriad other delusions. Never had been much luck "confronting the negatives" since Reconstruction's failed effort to enforce the 13th, 14th & 15th Amendments & the abandonment of the Black popualation in with the Election of 1876, until the Civil Rights Movelent of the late 1950's - 1960's. Despite the gains made in the last 50 years, a substantial segment of the population still doesn't "get it" & Mississippi is once again in the forefront- please recall that they proposed putting Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan Naathan Bedford Forest on their automobile license plates and the state flag still incorporates the Confederate battle flag. |
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16 Jan 12 - 02:04 AM (#3291256) Subject: RE: BS: Haley Barbour-Mississippi Gov Grants Pardons From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity 999: "Michael, yes. If you are not bothered, you just ain't thinking enough. The music is good, but stop telling people how good THEY think it is." Actually, my first post about the pardons,(From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 13 Jan 12 - 10:16 PM) was the right one..the last one(about being bothered) was just a little sarcasm/satire. As to your second part, that's just a big, 'Huh?' GfS |