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24 Jan 12 - 02:08 PM (#3295538) Subject: The Postman Pat connection From: Phil Edwards What do the Postman Pat theme Hey Ya (Outkast) the Moving On Song (a.k.a. Go, Move, Shift) (Seeger & MacColl) have in common? For bonus points, are there other songs with the same feature? Is there a name for it other than the descriptive phrase? |
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25 Jan 12 - 04:59 AM (#3295903) Subject: RE: The Postman Pat connection From: Phil Edwards Massive clue: they're all in 4/4. |
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25 Jan 12 - 07:00 AM (#3295925) Subject: RE: The Postman Pat connection From: GUEST,matt milton It's slightly oversimplifying things to say Postman Pat is in 4/4. The first part of it suggests 2/4: there's a very strong stress falling on the "Post" of "Postman" every two beats, and the pace is that of a march. I'd write it as two bars of 2/4 ("Postman Pat, Postman Pat"). Then one bar of 3/4 ("Postman Pat & his black and white"), then, upon the word "cat" it relaxes into five bars of regular 4/4. You could, for the sake of writerly simplicity replace the two 2/4s with one 4/4, but it'd be going against the grain of the second "Post". However you look at it, there's unquestionably a bar of 3/4 in there. |
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25 Jan 12 - 07:35 AM (#3295935) Subject: RE: The Postman Pat connection From: Phil Edwards Humph. If for the sake of argument you were to play Postman Pat very very slowly and deliberately, so that the first two bars were in 4/4... |
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25 Jan 12 - 07:55 AM (#3295943) Subject: RE: The Postman Pat connection From: GUEST,matt milton There's an irregular bar in the song. It's a bit like the verse to "All you need is love" in that respect. If you had two bars of 4/4 then the irregular bar would be in 2/4, beginning on the beat after "cat" If you had one bar of 4/4 then the irregular bar would be in 3/4, beginning on "cat". |
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25 Jan 12 - 08:16 AM (#3295955) Subject: RE: The Postman Pat connection From: Acorn4 The "Moving On" song seems to throw in a 3/4 bar in the chorus, - the "hey ya" seems to throw in a 2/4 into a 4/4 pattern - there are two versions of the PP song -the original Bryan Daly one and a more modern version - apart from a bit of syncopation in the intro, it seems fairly regular. Doesn't "Poverty Knock" miss a beat in the chorus? |
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25 Jan 12 - 09:22 AM (#3295980) Subject: anyclone help request From: wysiwyg Add "UK TV Music" to thread title? ~S~ |
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25 Jan 12 - 09:35 AM (#3295990) Subject: RE: The Postman Pat connection From: Acorn4 Should we call it "The Ballad of Postman Pat" to give a bit more credibility on a folk thread? |
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25 Jan 12 - 11:54 AM (#3296081) Subject: | From: Phil Edwards Since nobody can agree what they're hearing, I'd better reveal what I thought I was asking! Spot the similarity: "|Postman Pat,|Postman Pat,|Postman Pat and his |black and white|cat..." "|My baby doesn't|mess around because she|loves me so and this I|know for|sure..." "|Born in the middle of the|afternoon in a|horse drawn wagon on the|old A|5..." Count 4 for every bar, except one; the same one, too. |
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25 Jan 12 - 02:00 PM (#3296139) Subject: RE: UK TV Music:The Postman Pat connection From: Acorn4 In the case of PP, isn't it just a case of delaying a beat by one count - quite a common device. Just an expressive thing. |